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So you wanted TDK, let's go. Starting with the suites.
NEW BATMAN THEME
- Hans Zimmer
Hans developped his 2 notes motif and used the "Ice theme" from BB Training cue (which was clearly just a subtheme in Begins) to become Batman's new main theme.
THE JOKER SUITE
- Hans Zimmer
What to say. The Joker. Interesting note, Hans took his Batman 2 notes motif to reverse it for The Joker.
HARVEY DENT SUITE
- James Newton Howard
All things Harvey Dent, but not just that. Halfway through the suite it turns into a Begins rearrangement of Bruce Wayne / Rachel.
PASSACAGLIA
- James Newton Howard
This is not available, but from the sheet music, it's basically just what served to become Two Face's Theme, the cue Eye For An Eye.
103 BPM ACTION ICE THEME
- Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
This suite was definitely done by Lorne. When Hans will take care of the big new suites for his films, he will let his team have fun on "side suites" using his themes (like, Steve Mazzaro arranging the "Earth" suite from MOS based on the New Superman Suite). This suite is sort of an epic version of the New Batman Theme with BB Hero Theme, and a bit of Joker.
Score :
LOGO
- Mel Wesson
Flaps opening.
BANK ROBBERY
- Hans Zimmer
Arrangement of the Joker Suite.
FIND THE BATMAN
- Hans Zimmer
Segment from the New Batman Theme.
BUYER BEWARE
- Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson, James Newton Howard
Mel Wessons Scarecrow starts the track, then turns into an arrangement of the New Batman Theme & BB Batmobile Chase (so JNH motif at (2:02)). Cue was probably patched by Lorne.
DIRTY CASH
- James Newton Howard, Hans Zimmer
Cue is definitely JNH, reusing his BB Fox Is Fired but using HZs ostinato / electronics in the background.
THE NEW DA
- James Newton Howard
JNH, using BB Meeting Rachel.
HOSTILE WITNESS
- James Newton Howard
JNH, from the Harvey Dent Suite.
BANK WARRANTS - LSI HOLDINGS
- James Newton Howard
Harvey Dent Suite again.
WHO APPOINTED BATMAN?
James Newton Howard
- A very Blood Diamond styled arrangement of the Harvey Dent Suite.
MOVE THE MONEY
- Hans Zimmer
HZs electro rhythm & Da Vinci Code high strings. Could be Lorne.
KILL THE BATMAN
- Hans Zimmer
Arrangement of the Joker Suite.
HALFWAY TO HONG KONG
- James Newton Howard
Arrangement of Harvey Dent Theme.
TRIP TO HONG KONG
- Hans Zimmer, Jamew Newton Howard
Arrangement of BB Preparing Equipments. JNH theme at (0:17).
PUT A SMILE ON THAT FACE
- Hans Zimmer
Arrangement of the Joker Suite & New Batman Theme.
LSI EXTRACTION
- Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, James Newton Howard
Arrangement of BB Batman Visits Gordon. JNH theme at (2:11). Cue is definitely Lorne.
MOBSTERS TAKEN TO JUSTICE
- James Newton Howard
JNH cue. Harvey Dent Suite arrangement.
ARE YOU UP TO IT?
- James Newton Howard, Hans Zimmer
JNH arrangement of Harvey Dent Suite. He uses HZs Joker from (0:39) is a more organic way.
A HERO WITH A FACE
- James Newton Howard
JNH again, more Dent.
JOKER CRASHES THE PARTY
- Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, James Newton Howard
Known fact the cue is by Lorne. He arranges a JNH theme from BB (1:22). HZs Joker shows up at the very end.
PANIC ROOM
- Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
Another known Lorne cue, arranging HZs 2 note motif & Joker.
YOURE GONNA LOVE ME
- Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, James Newton Howard
More Lorne, arranging HZ Joker & some BB action from Fight In Crane Lab. Slight use of JNH at the end from (2:45).
WATCH THE WORLD BURN
- James Newton Howard, Hans Zimmer
Cue starts very JNH with some Harvey Dent, turns into a Joker arrangement. Either JNH did that cue or Lorne combined JNH/HZ.
LOUD ENOUGH
- Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard
HZ. New Arrangement of BB Preparing Equipments, so JNH Theme at (0:38).
SPEECH AMBUSH
- Hans Zimmer
Arrangement of The Joker. Finishes with a glimpse of BB Mugging Pt 2.
DENT TO VAN
- James Newton Howard
JNH dark cue.
GORDON IS DEAD
- Hans Zimmer
A bit of Joker electro and a part of BB Mugging Pt 2.
RACHEL NEXT
- James Newton Howard
Another darker JNH cue.
INTERROGATING SCHIFF
- James Newton Howard
JNH cue, sort of an unborn Two Face, has the style, not the melody.
BLOOD ON MY HANDS
- James Newton Howard
JNH, reprise of BB Meeting Rachel.
THE OUTCAST
- Lorne Balfe
Solo Lorne cue. In the cuesheet, it has an alternate name, LBs High Strings, says it all.
I AM THE BATMAN
- James Newton Howard, Hans Zimmer
JNH cue with more Harvey & Rachel. Use of the HZ theme at (2:59).
TRUCK CONVOY
- Hans Zimmer
Joker arrangement.
POD DEPLOYS
- Hans Zimmer
Rearrangement of BB The Bat Cave.
BATMAN DOWN
- Hans Zimmer
More Joker arrangement.
WE GOTCHA
- James Newton Howard, Hans Zimmer
JNH cue, starts with the one note Joker HZ idea. Goes into full Harvey Dent after.
GORDON RETURNS HOME
- James Newton Howard
Arrangement of BB Father To The Rescue.
YOU COMPLETE ME
- Hans Zimmer
Arrangement of The Joker. Mel flaps.
WIRED
- Lorne Balfe, James Newton Howard, Hans Zimmer
I have no doubt that cue is a Lorne mashup of JNH & HZ, arranging JNHs BB Bruce Left For Dead. Gets more Joker from (2:31), and BB Mugging Pt 2 at (6:21).
HARVEY TWO-FACE
- James Newton Howard
JNH sad rendition of the Harvey Dent Suite.
THIS IS MY CITY
- Hans Zimmer
Another Joker Arrangement.
HOSPITAL BOMB SCARE (PART 1)
- Lorne Balfe, Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard
Known fact that cue is LB. Theres a bit of everything in that cue, from Joker, to BB Back Up, to JNH BB Temple Fight.
HOSPITAL BOMB SCARE (PART 2)
- Hans Zimmer
Mostly a Joker arrangement. Bits of 2 notes motif.
EXPLOSION AFTERMATH
- Hans Zimmer
Use of some ambient from Begins, then arrangement of the New Batman Theme.
DENT KILLS WERTZ
- James Newton Howard
More dark JNH for the development Two Face.
SONAR SYSTEM
- Hans Zimmer
Arrangement of the New Batman Theme.
UNLUCKY DRIVER
- James Newton Howard
First real appearance of the Two Face theme.
THE FERRIES
- Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
Arrangement of the New Batman Theme by Henry Jackman. Cuesheet credits him.
ALWAYS A CATCH
- Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
Arrangement of the Action Ice Theme suite mixed with BB Batman Rescues Rachel.
STORMING PRUITT BUILDING
- Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, James Newton Howard
Known fact the cue is LB. JNH theme popping up at (0:10). Its mix between BB Batmobile Chase & the Action Ice Theme suite, before turning into BB Train Fight.
GIVE IT TO ME
- Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman, Lorne Balfe
Cue is arranged by Henry Jackman. Arrangement of the New Batman Theme, before turning into a reprise of BB Train Crash.
A LITTLE PUSH
- Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard
Interesting, at (0:14) shows up some sub-sub-theme from BB Initiation Into League. And it turns into The Joker for his final appearance. Maybe another Lorne mashup.
EYE FOR AN EYE
- James Newton Howard
Full rendition of the Passacaglia JNH wrote for Two Face.
DENT DEFEATED
- Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
Epic arrangement of Back Up.
IM NOT A HERO
- Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard
HZ cue. Starts with an arrangement of BB Mugging Pt 2 with a clever incorporation of Harvey Dents theme on piano at (1:26), then turns into full New Batman Theme.
A DARK KNIGHT
- Hans Zimmer
Another arrangement of BB The Bat Cave
superultramegaa
2019-04-06 14:02:26
Great stuff! Never knew the theme from "Bruce Left For Dead" was primarily JNH, always thought it was a co-written theme along with "Courthouse Pt. 1". Glad we actually have a better idea of who did what now, as opposed to a lot of shooting in the dark in regards to Begins.
Don't mean to keep harping on the Transformer credits, but do you have any ideas or new info on those scores, similar to the new credits you figured out for these films?
curba
2019-04-06 18:06:52
Thank you Step! love u! Now release Interstellar or Inception composer info.
Hybrid Soldier
2019-04-06 19:05:56
Nothing on Transformers. And not something that can be done with every score around.
KnightLite
2019-04-06 20:10:10
yeah thanks! now we just need TDKR!
superultramegaa
2019-04-07 01:23:57
I didn't think it was something that could be done for every score, I was just curious if any new info surfaced in the last few years for TF since there was new info for these films. Appreciate the response though, Hybrid!
mpolonest123
2019-04-07 02:04:50
Thanks Hybrid! This definitely makes sorting through BB and TDK much easier.
Was JNHs Passacaglia ever recorded?
Michael Baker
2019-04-07 04:07:41
I'm gonna sound like an idiot here....lol. On Buyer Beware, what exactly do you mean "probably patched" by Lorne?
Edmund Meinerts
2019-04-08 10:36:36
I guess the biggest revelation here is that the "Action Ice Theme/Like a Dog Chasing Cars" cue is Lorne and not just Hans. That's always been my favorite piece from the trilogy, so I guess I'm a bit disappointed.
Michael Baker
2019-04-08 19:18:59
@Edmund, funny how that works, isn't it? I don't want to say I was "disappointed", really, but I guess there is a sense of, "I like this music, and I thought this composer that I really like was responsible for it." I remember thinking the same thing about Forbidden Friendship from HTTYD when I saw Paul Mounsey on it. It doesn't really matter who wrote the music, in the end, but I guess it's natural to want to "really good" stuff to be by the composer you admire.
To be honest, though, the second half of Like a Dog Chasing Cars doesn't sound like something Hans would write. He went on and on in the past about how this Batman isn't traditionally triumphant and heroic, and he needed to convince Chris that the music shouldn't be either. So it wouldn't surprise me if the Action Ice Suite wasn't Hans' idea. That said, the Moody Bruce suites prove Hans can and did write some pretty exciting action music for this franchise, even if Lorne had a hand in a lot of the highlights of the trilogy, too.
anonymous
2019-04-08 20:15:39
To be sure though, these are just very educated guesses, right? Not necessarily 100% true? I appreciate the time that was taken to come up with all this, but I fail to believe that 103 BPM was all Lorne. That track sounds 100% Zimmer from top to bottom.
Mr Tweedy
2019-04-09 09:04:43
@Michael Baker You mentioned Forbidden Friendship by Powell. When Paul Mounsey is co-credited on a track, doesn't necessarily mean he wrote it. This means he had some input at some point into that track. Powell explained many times how he wrote "Forbidden Friendship", so I guess Mounsey was more like an additional help to complete the cue on time, instead of being the main composer on it.
"Additional composers" duties range from writing full cues to adding three notes of oboe on a track by the main composer...
Michael Baker
2019-04-09 19:45:28
I get that, Mr. Tweedy, but comments from Hybrid before have led me to believe that Forbidden Friendship was mostly Paul Mounsey given free rein with the friendship theme. I'd be happy to be proven wrong if you have more info.
cuesheet
2019-04-09 20:04:45
Presumably Hybrid is getting a lot of his information from the cue sheet? Can he answer this:
Most of the Lorne cues he refers to above are indeed verfiably Lorne and indicated as such:
-> 3m23 v2 LB - Panic Room -> 3m24-25 v6.01 LB - You're Gonna Love Me -> 4m39B v2 - LB High Strings -> BB 5m42 Backup RFK v1 LB -> 6m57 v6 LB - Storming Pruitt Building
Where is Hybrid getting his information on cues like 'Wired' or 'Buyer Beware' or the '103 Action Ice Suite'. There is no indication on the cue sheet of this. Admittedly there is no indication in the sheet of Henry jackman's contribution but his stuff is literally cutting and pasting from the suite.
Very interesting seeing how three composers' work blended together so well, isn't it! Hard to tell it all apart.
Hybrid Soldier
2019-04-09 20:30:15
As I said, people wanted my opinion. It's not exact science. I took some known facts & my own guesses. From there, do what you want with it... lol
Michael Baker
2019-04-09 21:20:24
Hybrid, I'm not saying you're wrong here since you know far more than we do, but I am curious for your take on a statement Hans made on TDK in 2008 (when the score was disqualified from an academy award for listing too many composers on the cuesheet):
"My basic argument was: Composers are honest human beings. If we're telling you that we (HZ and JNH), and we alone, wrote the score, why don't you believe us? We were very candid. We said, 'Why would we lie? And if you don't believe us, go ask Chris Nolan, the film's director. He saw who did the work.'"
Is this a case of Hans stretching the truth? That's not me trying to say he's dishonest or something. But he seems very blunt here about who did the work here, and your breakdown gives most of the exciting cues to Lorne Balfe (with Hans in many cases, granted). So I'm just curious where you think the balance is. Is it Hans oversimplifying the process to make a point?
NM
2019-04-09 22:04:20
I don't think he's stretching the truth. At the end of the day it's his style, his sound, his themes and his narrative intentions (and JNH of course). He doesn't have to arrange every note anymore than Chris Nolan has to direct, shoot, and pick every shot for it to be a "Chris Nolan" film with his vision behind it.
Hybrid Soldier
2019-04-09 22:36:16
HZ's words are HZ's words. Hans hides behind words, you can hear him say one thing and it's contrary. I'll throw some other wise words from him from 6 years ago :
"We very much worked like a firm of architects. One main designer, with us all helping each other out. People are still confused about the "additional music" credits. If it sounds like me, it's probably me. Head Architect. But how can my collaborators ever get a career going if they are just "Ghosts"? If it sounds like John Powell, it's probably him... same rules apply.
Personally, I couldn't give a flying f@&$ about credits. I'm in it for the process. That's the part I love."
;)
Ian Brown McCarthy
2019-04-13 06:04:02
@edmund
"I guess the biggest revelation here is that the "Action Ice Theme/Like a Dog Chasing Cars" cue is Lorne and not just Hans. That's always been my favorite piece from the trilogy, so I guess I'm a bit disappointed."
Right?!?! As "anonymous" says, that suite sounds like 100% Hans. If Lorne really worked on it - significantly, I mean - then damn, the dude has more chops than I realized.
Edmund Meinerts
2019-04-13 10:27:08
I mean it's still Hans/Lorne, not Lorne solo, and it uses Hans' theme and ideas. So it makes sense that it sounds like Hans. It just always pulls the rug out from under my feet when a favorite piece from a favorite composer turns out not to be entirely by that composer. I had the same reaction to Mounsey on "Forbidden Friendship" from HTTYD and Jackman on "Up is Down/Marry Me" from PotC:AWE. It's nothing against those other composers, but it's just a bit of a strange feeling and takes a bit of mental getting used to.
Michael Baker
2019-04-13 20:39:40
If I'm understanding Hybrid's comment correctly, it sounds like Hans had little to do with the Action Ice Theme. Like, it was Lorne told to go off and do something with the New Batman Theme for the fun of it.
Granted, Hybrid has admitted it's all just his opinion. Ultimately, we don't know the credits on that suite, I guess. It could be Hans and Lorne both wrote the suite together. It could be just Hans. Or it could be just Lorne working off Hans' tunes. I do think it's worth noting what I already said, though: I'm not sure Hans would have come up with the heroic second half of the track. ;) He did veer into heroic territory in the Moody Bruce suites, but that was because Batman was finally trying to move on from his anger. And most of the heroic stuff he wrote for TDKR still went unused in the film.
Ian Brown McCarthy
2019-04-13 21:24:40
Correction: most of the music Hans wrote for TDKR went unused.
Man did Nolan butcher that.
Michael Baker
2019-04-13 23:39:14
lol, true. TDKR did give the Batman material the short end of the stick. The Bane and Catwoman stuff got used a lot, though.
superultramegaa
2019-04-13 23:53:11
What exactly went unused in TDKR? The new theme got a decent amount of uses, and the old material was used as often as TDK used it.
anonymous
2019-04-14 08:49:57
Heres my little gripe with all of this. By this point weve all gotten used to the idea that things are not as they seem when it comes to credits with HZ scores. And sadly, we simply dont have all the information to corroborate anything to the point of being able to say something is factually true. So, my problem is, why is anything Hybrid Soldier says more factually true, or closer to the truth than the actual credits or simply that a piece of music sounds like a certain composer?
Heres the problem. Theres a general tendency to believe that HZ is incapable of writing good music. So, whenever theres a good piece of music with HZs name on it, it has become easy to tear it down and say it couldnt have been entirely him. Or, theres the tendency to believe that because he collaborated with someone else on a piece of music, it somehow disqualifies it entirely as something he truly came up with.
HZ, like any accomplished artist in any field, has mannerisms which are his and which make it easy to recognize his music. The fact that hes the most copied composer in Hollywood and yet still maintains his own sound is evidence of this.
So, when you have a piece like 103 BPM, which I just listened to five minutes ago, and it is teeming with these HZ mannerisms, its hard to discredit it as something he did. Like I said, its HZ from top to bottom, through and through. Even if Lorne Balfe contributed, it seems to be minimal, because none of it has any semblance of anything other than HZs sounds. Lorne Balfe, while he may have his accomplishments now, in 2008 made music that sounded nothing more than HZ-esque. Even if this piece was all his, which I doubt, it is a piece of music that uses everything HZ has developed his entire career. Itd be hard even then to call it a Lorne Balfe piece.
Finally, while I appreciate Hybrid Soldiers contributions, because he does put a lot of time and effort to contribute to a better understanding of HZs music, its important to acknowledge what is factually true and what is offered as a suggestion. To me it sounds like Hybrid is offering what he believes to be a likely explanation for who wrote these cues. But, a lot of this is simply a breakdown of themes, not an actual analysis of why someone might have written what.
Ultimately, the problem is that we dont know what actually happens when HZ collaborates with someone. Generally, it seems like theme suites are mostly his, and individual cues are heavily collaborated on. But overall, I would still argue that if HZ is writing the tunes and creating the actual sound of it all, its hard to assume that a collaborator takes the cake for having added something to the score.
Michael Baker
2019-04-15 21:20:18
@superultramegaa,
Most of the awesome action material in Moody Bruce, from 4:46-15:03, is unused. Also, the last 5 minutes, with Hans' epic new take on the 2-note Batman theme (which he adds a third note two and concludes in big style) is totally unused.
@anonymous,
I actually agree with the observations you're making. Lorne didn't write like that in 2008, really, and the suite does sound like Hans' music, even if I just argued that it's unlikely he'd go that musical direction for this movie. And Hybrid has said... it's his (Hybrid's) opinion. The suite may just be Hans, and Hybrid's not saying differently. Hybrid has even admitted he's been wrong on credits before, so it's not like he's saying these are "the facts." Now that I think about it, the suite was used in HZ Live, so that tells me Hans must have been involved in composing it. Because the concerts really gravitate toward Hans' personal work.
Mr Tweedy
2019-04-16 00:33:23
The "Up is Down" track from POTC3 is used in the "Live" concert as well and it was arranged by Henry Jackman. "Now We Are Free" is in the concert as well and was mainly arranged by Klaus Badelt...
superultramegaa
2019-04-16 00:51:33
I get what you're saying Mike, but much of the action material in the section you mentioned is just stylized versions of the Batman ostinato, and 2 giant chunks of the action music were used in the film. The section with the new "Rise" theme was used in the Batman & Catwoman tunnel fight, and "Backup" was used several times in the film, just not in that exact style.
The section after the stylized "Backup" sounds more like rejected Bane material to me, so I'm not entirely sure if that counts. I do agree however that Hans' new climactic version of the 2 note motif should have been included throughout the finale though. Would have resolved the film better than the recycled "LSI Extraction" bit.
Michael Baker
2019-04-16 22:53:25
True, Mr. Tweedy. I don't know how involved Hans was with Now We Are Free, but he specifically talked about Up is Down at one point. And while he did give Henry Jackman credit for the penny whistle stuff, his comment was something like, "And Henry and I just jammed with the theme a bit after he came up with that idea" (unfortunately the link to the interview, on the POTC3 page here, is dead). So Up is Down sounds like a co-composition from the two. I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same way with Lorne Balfe and the Action Ice Theme.
I really love the piano section from 6:04-6:50 in the 10 minute Harvey Dent suite. It's a lovely little rendition of the Batman Begins stuff. I wish they had kept that part in the released version of the suite.
On a semi-related note, I'm surprised they never used the Harvey Dent theme anywhere in TDKR. They kinda have a new "theme" for the lie surrounding the character, but the James Newton Howard material never gets reprised.
This film and score are ten years old! The first seven minutes of Hans New Batman Theme (A Dark Knight) are still one of my favorite individual Zimmer themes.
And the movie itself is still one of my favorites, comic book or not.
Do you know what the additional 2 minutes of The 11 Minute Joker Suite by HZ would be? There is a YouTube video that has it, but it is 9:31, so to say. I listened to the entire track, and I have it memorized altogether already.
Also shouldn't the video be 11:12 instead of 9:31? Not sure who gets the cues from wherever, but if you search The Joker Suite on YouTube, it's there with Joker banner on the thumbnail.
The cues in it are: a version of "Logo" with a sound at the beginning, "Dirty Cash", Some Cues Of "I Am The Batman", "Pod Deploy", "End Credits", I'm not sure what other cues are named.
Is there anyone who knows which music the OST tracks (including the special edition tracks) are made of. There's often loads of cues pasted together.
I'd like to know if there's anything from the OST or Special Edition that is not on the complete score. I already added Why So Serious?, Harvey Two-Face, A Dark Knight and Like a Dog Chasing Cars but I'm wondering if there's more (even though its only parts of tracks) material that can be added.
Please tell me!
Mike
2016-08-09 16:49:52
This is what I remember from my breakdown of it:
CD 1:
1. Why So Serious? = shortened version of "The Joker Suite" 2. I'm Not a Hero = Find the Batman + Trip to Hong Kong + LSI Extraction 3. Harvey Two-Face = shortened Harvey Dent Suite 4. Aggressive Expansion = A Dark Knight (with an inserted intro) + Joker Crashes the Party 5. Always a Catch = Batman Down + Dirty Cash (unused) 6. Blood on My Hands = Bank Warrants / LSI Holdings 7. A Little Push = Interrogating Schiff 8. Like a Dog Chasing Cars = Action Ice Theme 9. I Am the Batman = Watch the World Burn 10. And I Thought My Jokes Were Bad = Hospital Bomb Scare Pt. 1 11. Agent of Chaos = Wired 12. Introduce a Little Anarchy = Storming Pruitt Building 13. Watch the World Burn = Eye For an Eye 14. A Dark Knight = New Batman Theme
CD 2:
1. Bank Robbery = Ditto 2. Buyer Beware = Ditto 3. Halfway to Hong Kong = Hostile Witness + Halfway to Hong Kong (unused) 4. Decent Men in an Indecent Time = ? 5. You're Gonna Love Me = Are You Up to it? + Panic Room + You're Gonna Love Me + Blood on My Hands 6. Chance = 7. You Complete Me = You Complete Me + ? + Pod Deploys 8. The Ferries = Hospital Bomb Scare Pt. 2 + The Ferries 9. We Are Tonights Entertainment = Give It To Me + A Little Push 10. A Watchful Guardian = Dent Defeated + I'm Not a Hero + A Dark Knight + End Credits
So that gives us 31 cues not counting my ? moments...haha. We have maybe 35-37 of the cues here, and then all 4 suites (all shortened). So it's still missing some 20 cues, but IMO they're not all that noteworthy for the most part.
billy
2016-08-09 18:07:06
About the "?" cues I'm not sure, but I think:
4. Decent Men in an Indecent Time = Gordon Returns Home + Explosion Aftermath (?) + Logo 6.Chance = Dent to Van + Gordon is dead + I Am the Batman 7. You Complete Me = You Complete Me + This is my city (?) + Pod Deploys
Mike
2016-08-09 22:20:50
Looks right...And I missed one on Aggressive Expansion. It's "A Dark Knight" (w/ 15 second ostinato intro) + 2nd half of "Put a Smile On That Face" + "Joker Crashes the Party"
Hal
2016-08-10 00:08:41
Thanks for this list:)
Now I don't have to analyze it for hours lol!
Medigo
2016-08-10 01:03:29
Not to mention that the special edition's music sounds different from the sessions/film mixes
Mike
2016-08-10 01:24:35
True...Find the Batman, Buyer Beware, LSI Extraction, Hospital Bomb Scare pt. 1, I'm Not a Hero, and A Dark Knight are all mixed differently. I'm probably missing some.
Anonymous
2016-08-10 03:32:54
There are film mixes?!
...
2016-08-10 10:36:01
I also think that Joker Crashes Party is differently mixed on the OST.
Hal
2016-08-11 11:27:31
Hybrid, do you know which tracks are mixed different on the OST?
Mike
2016-08-11 16:45:57
I just gave most of them... :P
Hal
2016-08-13 11:10:25
Haha yes! thanks! Was just wondering if there's one or 2 more but I checked the album myself and it seems those were all:)
So this just hit me...the first 40 or so seconds of the full Harvey Dent suite are basically HZ's two-note Batman theme, in JNH French horn style.
It's a tragedy the full suite wasn't what we got on album. Beautiful stuff. I do feel like TDKR was missing a bit of its heart without JNH, to this day. HZ's "Dark Knight" theme has its own kind of beauty, but JNH has a special touch, you know?
Have a question. Here, on the track "Wired" only Zimmer is credited, but on the 2 CDs edition, both Zimmer and Newton are credited on the track "Agent of Chaos". What is the right?
Mike
2016-01-08 16:36:44
I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure it's this:
The core of "Wired" is "Bruce Left For Dead" from Begins, which is a cue JNH worked on. In the case of "Wired," Zimmer and JNH worked separately, so Zimmer was the one who did "Wired" - but it's built on the JNH cue from Begins. So they're both right. JNH would be credited for the original, even though he didn't work on the "Wired" cue as such.
Curious about something...A while ago, Hybrid, you said Lorne did a "lot more" than listed here...was it just a few more cues than shown (say, 4 or 5), or did he arrange as much here as he did in TDKR? Doesn't really matter, I was just wondering about it. lol.
Hybrid Soldier
2014-12-04 23:46:53
Yeah he did, just like on Begins... But we'll never know really since the cuesheet is not helpful... lol
Hybrid do you get special music from RCP or something? Because the full Harvey Dent suite and the Moody Bruce Transfiguration suite are literally ONLY on this site. No one else has them.
Anonymous
2014-10-09 04:07:09
I see you've finally noticed that Hybrid Soldier always adds bullshit tracks onto the end of the complete scores listed on here. It is so that he can feel high and mighty when one of them leaks, and to feel better than everyone else. "Just a few extra tracks at the end"
When he eventually does respond to this, I say to him - upload that Dent Suite in the music player so we can hear it. Prove its existence. Or add one of the "additional" tracks from the many other complete scores listed on here. Another that comes to mind is the "Dark Mal Suite" from Inception
Anonymous
2014-10-09 04:14:00
My god. It's like you're in my head. I was just having this discussion with a friend yesterday, and second Anon, your response is almost word for word how I described my feelings on the matter.
Unfortunately, Hybrid probably will not respond to this inquiry. If he does, it will be along the lines of: "Sorry, I can't post any of that (or I might get in trouble!)."
Anonymous
2014-10-09 04:15:24
Third Anon here. After I his submit, I realized that the "Harvey Dent Suite" is in the music player. Was it before?
Anon
2014-10-09 06:28:29
Are you all the same Anons?
Anonymous
2014-10-09 06:58:39
We were all created in the same BIG BANG, crapped out by the same SUPERNOVA, cooked by the same STAR and served by the same PLANET. Therefore, there is no "You". Only "We".
Mike
2014-10-09 14:42:18
Uhh, the full-length Harvey suite has been there at least a couple months. ;) And as per the original post, Hybrid also posted the "Moody Bruce New Transfiguration Suite" from Rises, which is in none of the complete score leaks. So I imagine the answer to the original question is a yes.
Anonymous
2014-10-09 14:51:34
Thanks Mike
Anonymous
2014-10-09 16:28:54
I realized this last night after I ran my mouth. I am shocked it is on here. It would be nice to hear the additional 2 minutes of The Joker suite. And other excluded tracks on the other complete scores. I was aware of the Moody Bruce Suite. I am thankful for it, but still would like to see more exclusives
Interesting being able to hear the entire Harvey suite. I guess I can see why they shortened the album version though. It really is just Batman Begins reprisals, though the variation of the Begins theme beginning at 6:20 is beautiful. The part at 8:41, also not on the album, is nice, too.
Which Cue on here is the one with the "Like a Do Chasing Cars" Theme In the Middle. One of my Favorites.
Mike
2013-10-24 19:06:03
If you're asking what I think, then you're referring to the scene where the SWAT guy says, "FREEZE! STAND DOWN OR YOU WILL BE--" and Batman promptly punches him in the face. That's "Storming Pruitt Building" (Introduce a Little Anarchy on the album).
If you mean, "Where would 'Like a Dog Chasing Cars' have been used?", it wasn't going to be used in the film, for whatever reason.
MacArthur
2013-10-24 20:26:55
Really? That is a bummer.
Mike
2013-10-24 21:11:07
According to Hybrid, it was used as temp music for the Batman Chased scene in TDKR, but in the final cue it was replaced with Zimmer's new theme from the Wayne Manor suite.
MacArthur
2013-10-24 21:40:11
Oh Man If That cue was used in like a Dog chasing cars and They put that in the Dark knight rises that would have been awesome. (Curses Lorne) lol.
Was the New theme basically "Why do we Fall?" cue from the Dark Knight Rises? "Or Imagine The Fire"
Mike
2013-10-24 21:42:50
The same basic theme that plays from 4:00 onwards in Imagine the Fire. And yeah, I guess if you're gonna blame Lorne you should blame Hans, too, because doesn't he say what themes to use where?
MacArthur
2013-10-24 21:47:55
I know I was kidding...But It is true that every one is so desperate to give lorne so kind of credit on all these scores, but when worse come to worse who do we blame,
HANS ZIMMER!!!!
MacArthur
2013-10-24 21:51:12
I just find that rather amusing Because Everybody says ohh...Lorne did this arranging here, Or Oooh he wrote this...Then you know who gets the works when something goes wrong. see my point.
Mike
2013-10-24 21:52:19
Oh no, not at all. I'm gonna be honest with you. The Batman Chased cue--and several of the cues, actually--as Lorne arranged it was nothing short of terrible. It sounded synthy, cheap, and lacked the muscle and epicness Alan Mayerson brought to the film version (the film version used good-sounding temp tracks from the previous films rather than the new, awful version of those cues done by Balfe, and the middle portion was heavily edited also).
Also, I think the Assassin's Creed 3 score is uninspiring. So I don't love Balfe and hate Zimmer or something. I just think Balfe deserves more credit than he's given.
Mike
2013-10-24 21:53:48
The film version was great, though, even if it was music lifted straight out of the previous scores. It fit the scene so well.
MacArthur
2013-10-24 22:50:26
Understand, Some of the Stuff on the Motion Picture Soundtrack had some things not Arranged by Balfe and It sounded good, For TDKR I mean. but I think that the ones I'm referring to are done by Zimmer,
Why Do we Fall? Rise. On Thin Ice. Imagine the Fire Gotham's Reckoning Despair.
Hence The Arranged by Zimmer Tracks.
also about Balfe getting credit I think he get's a lot of credit the thing is in the booklet's of the score they basically tell the story and he usually gets a lot of credit from those.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-10-25 00:12:15
(facepalm)
Lorne Balfe wrote the version using that segment as well (he wrote both, cause you know, he was in charge of the goddam scene !) ! Not sure it was recorded though, and it was very brief anyway...
Mike
2013-10-25 01:19:41
Actually, MacArthur, with the exception of perhaps Gotham's Reckoning (a.k.a. "Prologue", which I always thought to be Zimmer), all the tracks you mention are Balfe. He was essentially just copying and pasting Zimmer music. Rise, for example, is comprised of the following (so it's essentially 100% Zimmer anyway):
--the end of Zimmer's LSI Extraction cue from TDK, slightly altered --Zimmer's "A Dark Knight Suite" (entitled "Orphan" on the TDKR app) --Zimmer's "New Batman Theme" (different "A Dark Knight"--this one being the 16 minute suite on TDK's album) --Zimmer's "A Dark Knight" cue from TDK (the film version copies it exactly from the previously film--the original cue is somewhat different)
So many different things named "A Dark Knight". lol. "Imagine the Fire" was of course arranged by Zimmer, because it's just a suite (part of "Wayne Manor"/"Moody Bruce New Hero Suite"). Then Why Do We Fall? ("Without a Rope") and Despair ("Remember Where You Parked It?/On Thin Ice - Batman Returns on the complete score) are just slight variations on pre-existing Zimmer material.
Mike
2013-10-25 01:21:53
Hmm, Hybrid, so am I mistaken? Does Zimmer not say what themes to use where? He must give them some sort of roadmap.
Anonymous
2013-10-25 01:25:41
i always was under the impression that hans zimmer temped the initial music and his guys worked off that
MacArthur
2013-10-25 07:40:52
Ok Thanks Mike, but you know that I wasn't talking about the Complete score right?
and For Rise Being Arranged By Balfe That For one Sounds pretty good(Hence maybe cause it's written by Zimmer)
But are you saying Lorne Arranged the Like A Dog Chasing Cars Cue From The Dark Knight? or are you talking TDKR tracks.
Mike
2013-10-25 16:20:12
I know you're not talking about the complete score, but the tracks you mention were from the complete score before they were ever on a soundtrack album. ;)
I believe Hybrid was saying that Lorne arranged the "Like a Dog Chasing Cars" theme in TDKR (and then he removed it and came up with "Batman Chased"/"Risen From Darkness" on the album).
MacArthur
2013-10-25 17:16:29
Cool Thanks! :)
MacArthur
2013-10-25 17:19:50
They Should do the alternate theme for Batman Chased and put that in the complete score. for TDKR or is it in there already?
Mike
2013-10-25 21:00:59
No, the cue with the Like a Dog Chasing Cars theme was scrapped early on. It's not on the complete score anywhere.
Are you dumb? I posted the slates below. Scroll down. I am not re-posting them again on the same fucking page
Edmund Meinerts
2013-10-08 00:55:34
Very clever, Joker. See, a normal person would have posted a regular text facepalm thingy but the Joker would want to introduce a little anarchy...I see what you did there.
The Joker
2013-10-08 02:56:04
Upset the established order. Then everything becomes chaos
Anyone else notice a slight difference between the "I'm Not a Hero" cue here and the one used in the film? I can't quite describe it, but in the movie when Gordon's kid is calling Batman as he runs off, a certain part of the music is more prominent. In this cue/on the album, that little segment is more in the background compared to the rest. Listen to the cue from here, then watch the scene as the kid goes "Batman! Batman!!!" and you'll hear it.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-10-06 21:57:54
That's basically the job of a music scoring mixer...
If the director wants THOSE strings much louder than the rest, the mixer has like every tracks of a cue he can play with, and do what's asked.
That explains the huge volume differences when you have a DVD isolated score...
Anonymous
2013-10-06 23:31:05
Nice. Guess that also explains the volume shifts in the film version of the very next cue "A Dark Knight" which aren't there in the cue itself (the drum hit when we see Batman in the tunnel was made notably louder in the movie).
Hybrid, two questions I've been meaning to ask you.
1. The "Buyer Beware" cue lists Mel Wesson along with Zimmer. Is this because Mel Wesson arranged that cue, or is his name simply there because Hans used Wesson's Scarecrow motif in the cue? 2. A little while ago you said that Hans still scores to picture, but it's often for stuff he "doesn't get credit for". What kinda stuff would that be?
Thanks in advance. ;)
Hybrid Soldier
2013-08-14 23:13:10
1. Second
2. Films he rescores, saving the ass of main composers...
Mike
2013-08-14 23:14:26
Ahhh. I see. lol.
MacArthur
2013-08-14 23:20:38
Is this score available or is this just a bootleg
Mike
2013-08-15 20:17:50
Just a bootleg, BUT you will be happy to know that 2-disc version (which can also be bought on iTunes) of The Dark Knight soundtrack contains basically the whole score. If you buy that you'll be missing nothing noteworthy.
Mike
2013-08-15 20:26:43
Oh, and Hybrid, sorry to bother you, but one more question:
Compared to other scores by Zimmer, The Dark Knight has very little work from "additional composers" (as Hans himself admitted indirectly when talking about how he and James were denied nomination for an award). Now, the question is this--does it have so few "ghostwriter" cues because Nolan and co. were content with the music that Zimmer (and Howard) put in the film, and so they decided that having the additional guys tweak a lot was unnecessary, or did Zimmer make some conscious decision to do the Zimmerish parts himself?
You might not know, and if not that's fine, but I figured I'd ask. This score synchs up INCREDIBLY well with the onscreen stuff, which, in my mind, reinforces the idea that Hans really knows how to score to picture well--better than most of his colleagues.
I wonder that as well. Parts of Man of Steel, like the end of "Flight", just scream "Zimmer did this himself" to me, but you can never be sure anymore. I get that Zimmer writes most of the music and then the arrangers go to work, but there really is a different sound between a Zimmer cue and, say, a Lorne Balfe cue or a Geoff Zanelli cue that has Zimmer's music. I can't place the difference, but it's there. I also feel like "Prologue" and "The Slow Knife" from TDKR were Zimmer, but again, I don't know.
Question...How come sometimes there are cues on the album which sound different than in the film, but they're not listed on the complete score page as "alternates"? An example I'm thinking of is the cue "A Dark Knight" just before end credits. In the movie it sounds like the "Aggressive Expansion" album track, while on the album it sounds different, yet there's no "A Dark Knight (Alternate)" listed here. Another example is the "No Stone Unturned" cue in TDKR's track Rise, which sounds different on the album than in the film, but it's not listed as an alternate.
Wow. Hans arranged most of the cues that sound like Hans music. I wonder, if JNH had been involved with TDK, would Hans have arranged more of the "Hansish" cues himself?
Mike
2013-05-31 09:35:58
Honestly, who cares? Nearly 100% of the film in that movie is COMPLETELY Zimmer's. Let me prove it to you.
--Prologue: cues taken DIRECTLY from Hans' Bane suite, barely altered if at all --Uncrackable Safe: an arrangement of the Selina Suite --Nothing Out There For Me: mostly an arrangement of old cues, mixed with some Selina Kyle music --Hospital Visit: old cues rearranged slightly --For Old Times' Sake: cues directly copied off some of Hans' arrangements in TDK, extended but otherwise unchanged --Blake Visits Wayne Manor: taken DIRECTLY from the Wayne Manor suite, completely unaltered --Risen from Darkness: parts of the Bane theme and Wayne Manor music edited together --Stock Exchange: cues taken directly from the Bane suite, completely unaltered --Batman Chased: the film version is a bunch of temp tracks from the previous movies totally unchanged from the way Hans wrote them, mixed with an edited version of part of Zimmer's Wayne Manor suite and Lorne's Back Up cue --Selina Finds Daggett: a slight alteration of the beginning of LSI Extraction mixed with Hans' Selina theme --Back to Batcave: "Find the Batman" from TDK with parts of the Selina Kyle theme edited in, along with part of the Wayne Manor suite --Handing Over the Reactor: totally unedited from "Put a Smile on That Face", Hans' TDK cue --Do You Feel in Charge?: part of the Bane suite --Miranda Visits Wayne - Take Me to Bane: lifted directly out of the Wayne Manor suite.
I could keep going but I think you get the idea. :P
Anonymous
2013-05-31 09:42:15
Okay, but it's still an interesting thing to ponder...Why could he not arrange the cues in TDKR if he could do so here?
Medigo
2013-05-31 11:33:52
I am confused
dont recordings come first and suites second?
Hybrid Soldier
2013-05-31 12:00:57
No, HZ writes the theme suites before the actual score.
Then it's temped in the film and edited/arranged for it. :)
Hybrid Soldier
2013-05-31 16:53:54
And as I said, the credits above are not complete... Lorne did a lot more than that... :)
Question seconded, if it isn't too much trouble. :)
Edmund Meinerts
2013-05-19 21:58:27
I have a feeling that if Hybrid knew, he'd have posted it already. But, of course, I'd love to be proved wrong! :)
Mike
2013-05-19 22:01:57
Hybrid did say it was more clear-cut than Batman Begins was, though. Even if specific credits can't be given, it's probably fair to say that "action/epic scenes" = Zimmer material, "anything related to Dent or having to do with tragedy" = Howard.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-05-19 22:07:35
I could do it but it wouldn't be totally accurate. I mean, some cues are taken from Begins (done by JNH) but here done by HZ... :)
And I don't have all credits for Lorne's work, just partial...
But yeah, I'll do it...
Sebastian
2013-05-19 22:27:28
Thank you Hybrid
Hybrid Soldier
2013-05-19 22:39:28
Here we go... :P
Mike
2013-05-19 22:48:36
Thanks Hybrid!
The Joker
2013-05-20 14:27:03
Tim posted the credits on page 5 back in January of 2011. Seriously people, do some research. But still a thanks to Hybrid. And while he said it's not entirely accurate, perhaps Tim's is, given it's from ASCAP:
For everybody who's curious about who composed what exacly (like me):
1M00 LOGO Hans Zimmer
1M01 BANK ROBBERY Hans Zimmer
1M02 FIND THE BATMAN Hans Zimmer
1M03 BUYER BEWARE Hans Zimmer
1M04 DIRTY CASH (UNUSED) James Newton Howard
1M05 THE NEW DA James Newton Howard
1M06 HOSTILE WITNESS James Newton Howard
1M07 BANK WARRANTS - LSI HOLDINGS James Newton Howard
2M09 WHO APPOINTED BATMAN? James Newton Howard
2M09 WHO APPOINTED BATMAN? (ALT) James Newton Howard
2M10 MOVE THE MONEY Hans Zimmer
2M11 KILL THE BATMAN Hans Zimmer
2M12 HALFWAY TO HONG KONG (UNUSED) James Newton Howard
2M13 TRIP TO HONG KONG Hans Zimmer
2M14 PUT A SMILE ON THAT FACE Hans Zimmer
2M16 LSI EXTRACTION Hans Zimmer
2M17 MOBSTERS TAKEN TO JUSTICE James Newton Howard
2M18 ARE YOU UP TO IT? James Newton Howard
3M20-21 A HERO WITH A FACE James Newton Howard
3M22 JOKER CRASHES THE PARTY Lorne Balfe
3M23 PANIC ROOM Lorne Balfe
3M24-25 YOU'RE GONNA LOVE ME Hans Zimmer
3M26-27 WATCH THE WORLD BURN Hans Zimmer
3M28 LOUD ENOUGH Hans Zimmer
3M30 SPEECH AMBUSH Hans Zimmer
3M32A DENT TO VAN James Newton Howard
3M32B GORDON IS DEAD Hans Zimmer
4M34-35 RACHEL NEXT James Newton Howard
4M37-38 INTERROGATING SCHIFF James Newton Howard
4M37-38 INTERROGATING SCHIFF (ALT) James Newton Howard
4M39A BLOOD ON MY HANDS James Newton Howard
4M39B THE OUTCAST Lorne Balfe
4M40 I AM THE BATMAN James Newton Howard
4M41 TRUCK CONVOY Hans Zimmer
4M42A POD DEPLOY Hans Zimmer
4M42B BATMAN DOWN Hans Zimmer
4M43 WE GOTCHA James Newton Howard
4M44 GORDON RETURNS HOME James Newton Howard
5M45 YOU COMPLETE ME Hans Zimmer
5M46-47 WIRED Hans Zimmer
5M48-49 HARVEY TWO-FACE James Newton Howard
5M50 THIS IS MY CITY Hans Zimmer
5M51-52A HOSPITAL BOMB SCARE PT 1 Hans Zimmer
5M52B HOSPITAL BOMB SCARE PT 2 Hans Zimmer
6M53 EXPLOSION AFTERMATH Hans Zimmer
6M54A DENT KILLS WERTZ James Newton Howard
6M54B SONAR SYSTEM Hans Zimmer
6M54C UNLUCKY DRIVER James Newton Howard
6M55 THE FERRIES Henry Jackman
6M56 ALWAYS A CATCH Hans Zimmer
6M57 STORMING PRUITT BUILDING Lorne Balfe
7M58 GIVE IT TO ME Henry Jackman
7M59 A LITTLE PUSH Hans Zimmer
7M60A EYE FOR AN EYE James Newton Howard
7M60B DENT DEFEATED Hans Zimmer
7M61 I'M NOT A HERO Hans Zimmer
7M62 A DARK KNIGHT Hans Zimmer
THE JOKER SUITE Hans Zimmer
HARVEY DENT SUITE James Newton Howard
THE DARK KNIGHT SUITE Hans Zimmer
Mike
2013-05-20 21:47:38
@The Joker: I've known that was there, but I didn't know if it was legitimate.
Another question Hybrid... Have those 5 suites on the 3rd CD ever seen the light of day? I am just wondering. I am intrigued to listen to the New Batman Theme and the 103BPM Action Ice Theme as well. Thanks.
Hybrid Soldier
2012-10-05 22:58:40
They are all on OST, they just got edited short. And for the Dent one, it was a crime, really. :/
Hans, if you're reading this, I think it's time to put all this out ! :)
Mike
2012-12-26 08:20:19
I believe it's like this. Correct me, Hybrid, if I'm wrong:
Action Ice Theme = Like a Dog Chasing Cars New Batman Theme(shortened) = A Dark Knight The Joker Suite (shortened) = Why So Serious?
Hybrid Soldier
2012-12-26 08:54:55
It is...
Mike
2012-12-27 05:50:19
Okay, so that means that in "A Dark Knight" there's three minutes we haven't heard...Do these three minutes appear elsewhere on the OST, or in the film? Basically, what are they?
Hybrid Soldier
2012-12-27 17:07:09
There's about 1 min of bland ambient, and 2 minutes which are just the origin of "Finding The Batman". First part was kinda useless, and the other already on the score tracks, so I can understand why HZ removed these parts.
Mike
2012-12-27 22:27:08
This question might have been raised already, but the Harvey Dent Suite is about 4 minutes longer than the album version...are any of those four minutes in the movie?
Why were the comments that Hybrid Soldier removed? They listed which cues were composed by who
Hybrid Soldier
2012-07-24 21:54:11
Yeah, why ?
Antas ?
Anonymous
2012-07-24 22:05:50
hi Mr. charles, hybrid remove this comment and was this: "the tracks from the 3rd. cd the joker suite, harvey dent suite, are hybrid suites created by himself and posted here, as one of the moderators/administrator of the website, taking parts from the ost and this complete score (hybrid this is a bootleg score but now we have to call all these scores unofficial scores or expanded scores because we are hans zimmer almost official website, so we can΄t call bootlegs all these scores). Before these tracks were posted, we saw the joker suite 9:30 minutes, harvey dent suite 6:17 minutes and the dark knight suite 16:14 minutes. These tracks are hybrid creation too, but now that these tracks were leaked and we know the truth, he created new suites themes with new times". This is the same with the transformers 2 and 3 scores. Anyone who counts the tracks that were leaked and count the tracks from this website, will known the difference. And this is true."
ScoreFanatic
2012-07-24 22:08:23
Why all these comments were removed?? what happened here?
///
2012-07-24 22:09:57
WTF is going here??? And why this anonymous post that comment?
Uga2
2012-07-24 22:37:17
Wait...why are the suites extended? What cues were combined?
Per
2012-07-24 22:55:09
The comments might have been removed for the simple reason that the scores are a collaboration between composers, and that they, or someone, wouldn't necessarily like that such specific info about who did what gets listed... ?!
Per
2012-07-24 23:29:27
Ah, I should have taken a look a bit further down I see. The comments on the BB wasn't removed it seems. The reason I suggested was just a guess on my part. My bad then... :)
mittens
2012-09-11 03:15:33
there are some credits on the page #5, dunno if they are correct...
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