Score Composed & Arranged by Hans Zimmer Score Produced by Hans Zimmer & Jay Rifkin (In Absentia)
Music Conducted by Bruce Fowler & Don Harper Orchestrators: Bruce Fowler, Walter Fowler, Steven Fowler, Ladd McIntosh & Yvonne Moriarty
Synth: Hans Zimmer Percussion: Emil Radocchia Trombone: Bruce Fowler Trumpet: Walt Fowler Guitar: Robert Daspit, Ryeland Allison, Duane Eddy
Score Recorded & Mixed by Slamm Andrews Assisted by Gregg W. Silk & Brian Richards Music Editor: Adam Smalley Music Recorded & Mixed at Media Ventures, Los Angeles, CA
Copyist: JoAnn Kane Music Service Music Contractor: Sandy DeCrescent Children's Choir Contracted by Maggie Rodford Sampled at Air Lyndhurst, London
Music Production Services: Media Ventures Equipment: Euphonix, Steinberg, Yamaha, Korg, Waldorf, Spatializer Disclavier Pianos Courtesy of Yamaha Pianos Furnished by David Abel Pianos, Los Angeles
Assistants: Marc Streitenfeld, Justin Burnett & Boris Zelkin Score Wrangler: Emma Burnham
Executive Producers for La-La Land Records: MV Gerhard & Matt Verboys Album Produced by Nick Redman Score Restoration by Mike Matessino Edited & Mastered by Daniel Hersch at D2, Atwater Village, CA
Soundtrack Executive for Twentieth Century Fox: Tom Cavanaugh
Special thanks: Robert Kraft, Schawn Belston, Ron Fuglsby, JoAnn Orgel, Mitzi Brewer, & Candi Hersch
Release date : 02/15/11
Write your own comment here (in english please)
This zone is only to post comment, not to ask for CD downloading, copying or trading ! Each comment can be possibly edited or deleted to ensure it is suitable for public presentation.
It's pretty good. Think classic mid-90s MV action, Drop Zone/The Rock style, with some random Western elements thrown in, mostly some really cool guitar work courtesy of Duane Eddy. "Hammerhead" and "Nuke Disarmed (End Credits)" are between them 25 minutes of solid awesomeness.
Thanks for bringing this up. Now I have something new to listen to while studying. ;)
I LOVE this score. Really, its sound makes me really nostalgic. To me, along with The Rock, it's THE ultimate 90s filmmusic. Catchy main themes with guitars, mad synth, fantastic percussions and religious-like choir, it's a good ride. This thread just makes me wanna listen to it again, thanks buddies :p
Let's go for all the credits I have from Broken Arrow, based on various sources (Ascap, BMI, Gema, promos and websites). I only listed cues I have credits for, no "wondering" at all. I have all the credits for the Milan edition, the only problem is that they are mixes of separate cues from the Lala edition. Then you cannot tell exactly who did what on each "sub-cue".
It'a bit complicated, read carefully ! =)
1. Rope-a-Dope (aka "Main titles" aka "Brothers") >>> HZ / DH / HGW 2. The Bomber >>> used in "Secure" that is credited to Zimmer alone 3. Going to War >>> used in "Brothers" (credited to HZ/DH/HGW) and "Secure" (HZ alone) 4. The Pentgon (?) 5. The Search - Broken Arrow (?) 6. Desert Dawn >>> used in "Stealth" that is credited HZ / HGW 7. Day Search (?) 8. Right Down There (?) 9. Something's Coming (?) 10. 10,000 Years (?) 11. Humvee Chase >>> used in "Stealth" that is credited HZ / HGW 12. Mine Shaft 1 >>> there's a cue called "Mine Shaft" on BMI credited to HZ alone 13. Mine Shaft 2 >>> used in "Mine" (HZ alone) and "Nuke" (HZ / DH)
01. Big Bang (?) 02. Butterflies >>> used in "Nuke" (HZ / DH) 03. The Boat - Stowaway >>> featured on a DH promo, credited to DH on BMI 04. Breaking Orders >>> credited to DH 05. Eat a Bullet >>> featured on a DH promo & website 06. Hammerhead >>> used in "Greed" and "Hammerhead" both credited to HZ alone 07. End Credits >>> used in "Broken Arrow" credited to Zimmer alone
So, basically, if we also take into account Randy Edelman's "contribution" based on the official credits, the final tracklist goes somewhat like this:
selected tracks: 01. Hans Zimmer, Harry Gregson-Williams & Don Harper - Rope-A-Dope 02. Hans Zimmer - The Bomber 03. Hans Zimmer, Harry Gregson-Williams & Don Harper vs Randy Edelman - Going To War / Fire In A Brooklyn Theater 04. Hans Zimmer vs Randy Edelman - The Pentagon 05. Hans Zimmer - The Search / Broken Arrow 06. Hans Zimmer & Harry Gregson-Williams - Desert Dawn 07. Hans Zimmer - Day Search 08. Hans Zimmer - Right Down There 09. Hans Zimmer - Something's Coming 10. Hans Zimmer vs Randy Edelman - 10.000 Years 11. Hans Zimmer & Harry Gregson-Williams - Humvee Chase 12. Hans Zimmer - Mine Shaft 1 13. Hans Zimmer & Don Harper vs Randy Edelman - Mine Shaft 2 14. Hans Zimmer - Big Bang 15. Hans Zimmer & Don Harper - Butterflies 16. Don Harper vs Randy Edelman - The Boat / Stowaway 17. Don Harper vs Randy Edelman - Breaking Orders 18. Don Harper - Eat A Bullet 19. Hans Zimmer vs Randy Edelman - Hammerhead 20. Hans Zimmer - Nuke Disarmed 21. Hans Zimmer, Harry Gregson-Williams & Don Harper - Brothers 22. Hans Zimmer vs Randy Edelman - Mine 23. Hans Zimmer & Don Harper - Nuke
Nevermind the tracknumbers, forgot to separate the discs. My bad.
@CruZControl Your mistake is to consider that cues with no known credits are by Zimmer alone. I'm pretty sure "The Search" or "Right Down There" are by other composers, based on the style (probably HGW). By the way, cues like "The Boat - Stowaway" or "Eat a Bullet" were featured on Harper's website and promos, but as it is additional music, you should add Zimmer in the credits too (the same way Humvee Chase was written by HGW based on ideas by HZ, thus having both HZ/HGW credited in it).
And the Randy Edelman "credits" were added 15 years later by Lalaland to avoid legal issues because Zimmer's theme sounded a little bit like a melody in Fire in a Brooklyn Theater. Cues in no way contain Edelman's contribution.
@Dawn Yeah, I never meant that Edelman actively contributed in this soundtrack, I'm just including his name based on the LLL info, nothing more.
As for the other cues, I'm pretty sure you're right, but since we don't have official confirmation on those, I can't include or remove a composer's name based on a hunch. I was just collecting all the data we've gathered through the years, like Mr.Tweedy and others before me have already done (and to whom I'm grateful).
Btw, in my personal tags, I'm making two further title edits; (1) "Hammerhead" -> "Hammerhead (Expanded Version)" so as not to confuse the track with the original release's Hammerhead (2) "Nuke Disarmed" -> "Broken Arrow" since this is how it was originally titled. This is just my personal preference for my tags, don't shoot. I just want to be consistent in my playlists and so on ;)
HS... I haven't stole anything from you. The recording sessions that I have posted isn't a useless bootleg... it's legit. Some of the tracks that I've posted was not available in the original soundtrack, bootlegged score, or the official La-La Land release. Don's suite and theatrical trailers were not in the official releases or bootleg... until now.
As much as I respect you, Hybrid, I have never stolen any of your sources... and HZLeaks was right. He did compile the list as is... including the exclusive Deakin's Theme.
The DH suite is from a promo but hey, good luck to the general score fan finding that if you dont have this release. Even more so for Deakin's Theme!
In actuality, I do have the recording sessions. Anyways, thanks HZLeaks for pointing it out.
Deakin's Theme, exclusive ? ... isn't that just the last 4 minutes of "Broken Arrow" (End Credits) !?! ;)
It IS pointless...
It's not genuine at all, it's just a fan edit... Everything can be found in previously existing OSTs, bootlegs or promos...
T-Mann, for a "RCP fan", you look like you don't know much about RCP bootlegs ! And if you decide to take Takehiro, HZLeaks or whoever's edits as Gospels' Word, then amen to that, but don't feel obliged to "share" here every tracklist you find on FFShrine...
PS : Yeah, as you probably understood, I HATE that ! ;)
PS 2 : Yeah, Deakin's Theme is just an edit of the End Title, so again POINTLESS...
In the "pointless area", I think that adding trailer music + 20th Century Fox Fanfare is reeeeally pointless too ! =) Adding trailer music can be interesting when it has some links with the music heard in the movie (the Pearl Harbor international trailer music is a good example) but not when it's just stock music for trailers, and not even written by the score composer (or his team members). In this case, it's just a lazy way to add artificially some more minutes of music that are not even part of the score ! I'm sure that a new "recording session" will pop up with some "Broken Arrow suites" done by some fans...
Trailer music or TV spots or anything related to the film is welcome to me. Its not like someone stuck on bonus tracks from another movie. At any rate the bonus tracks are related to the movie. Its nice to have them round off the album.
And I dont think that to be fan of anything that means you need to be a big head either.
1. Orders - 2:16 2. Max - 2:14 3. Hammerhead - 17:03 4. Broken Arrow - 7:33 5. Brothers (Alternate) - 5:04 6. Hangar (Alternate) - 1:51 7. Stealth (Alternate) - 6:17 8. Butterflies (Alternate) - 1:56 9. Suite (Composed by Don Harper) - 3:33 10. End Titles - 7:16 11. Blasphemy (TV Spot, Composed by Immediate Music) - 1:21 12. International Trailer (Composed by John Beal) - 2:21 13. Deakin's Theme - 3:59
Music Composed by HANS ZIMMER
Additional Music DON HARPER & HARRY GREGSON-WILLIAMS
Conductors DON HARPER & BRUCE FOWLER
Orchestrator LADD McINTOSH
Guitars DUANE EDDY & BOB DASPIT
Trombone BRUCE FOWLER
Weird Noises RYELAND ALLISON
Vocals LISBETH SCOTT
Score Technical Adviser SLAMM ANDREWS
Score Mixing Assistant BRIAN RICHARDS
What's the point in poisoning the site with useless bootlegs, can you answer that T-Mann ?
It's just an edit of the bootleg, the OST & the LLL...
And most of the alt were stolen from my version...
Hey, no-one stole anything from you HS, I compiled this myself! And Deakin's Theme is not on any of the boots or the LLL.
I have to say it aint pointless to me. The music on here is clean and unedited with no "whoosh" sounds like on the normal score. And it has both versions of butterflies on there, film version and alternate. If anything the bonus tracks on the LLL release were pointless!! :P
Why is on the back cover and in the liner notes always the info that some tracks "contain music 'fir in a brooklyn theatre' composed by randy edelman". Its actually not anywhere in those marked tracks... maybe a theme has some similiarities but it was very unecessary to to put that text there.
The whole liner notes are a little bit strange...had the feel it was written with hate (imho).
found a little sentence in liner notes which has some "answers":
"A final all-purpose action motive is an adaption of Randy Edelman's famous "Fire in a Brooklyn Theater" cue from the film "Come see the Paradise (1990); the piece turned up in countless movie trailers throughout the 90's and is cited on the Broken Arrow cue sheet. Also credited for additional music are Zimmer-regulars Don Harper and Harry Gregson-Williams."
Interesting points, Mr Tweedy. "Mine Shaft 1" sounds quite a bit like HG-W to me. Many of his signature synth sounds are present in that track, reminiscent somewhat of Armageddon and Enemy of the State
HGW was credited for the Milan's edition cues Brothers (aka Rope-a-Dope, along with Harper) and Stealth (Desert Dawn + Humvee Chase). We can't really tell what he did on those cues (full arrangements ? some help here and there ?)
"Right Down There" sounds a lot like Harry's The Replacement Killers action style to me.
"I didn't noticed anything else but would need to get through the LLL release fully to see if other things are differents from the Bootleg... :P "
Well, the punch sounds in the End Credits is present on the LLL. To name one thing.
If the Butterflies piece were the reason for them to have the whole Nuke (and Mine for that matter) track included, it would have been much better to simply have the original Butterflies cue without the guitar as a bonus track. Perhaps what's on their release is the only material/mixes they got handed over... Who knows...
What fabien meant, I believe, is that if you combine this new La-La Land with the unofficial 2CD version, we have pretty much a fully complete score (of what's used in the film anyways)... you know, since this new one have a couple of minor differences (in the mix, mostly, I guess) as to what's heard in the film.
Just received my CD today, so haven't been able to listen through it all yet... But I have noticed a couple of (new) things. When I first saw the tracklist, it was near to (for me) perfect, but I didn't like so much that they seemed to have combined the two shortest tracks into other cues (in track 2+3 CD1). Although I noticed from the timings it actually could fit that they added the short cues at the end, without actually fading them together. But of course, that wouldn't make any sense... But now that I've checked it out, what is it like; just like that ! There's actually almost ! more or less complete silence between the cues. Don't get me wrong, I actually hoped for that, and prefer that ! However, that brings up the obvious question; What's the point ... Why not just placing them in separate tracks in the first place then. It would be, and look, so much better. I can't understand anything other than this had to be a contractual reason for doing so (not having short tracks). But if not, it's certainly a weird decision... and it actually appear a bit amateurish ... but that's just my opinion.
You have the main title music without those punching sounds, as it's already been mentioned (somewhere), and that's good. But the End Credits does have those punch sound effects, like on the original release, unfortunately. They're not in the film though ... And fortunately, not on the unofficial 2CD version either :)
A little correction (or "apology" if you will, lol) of what I've said before about the difference with the content of the original Milan release; Firstly, my excuse for doing this mistake(s) is that I simply haven't listened any particularely to the original release the last few years. At least not after I got the unofficial release. But there is at least a couple of other differences in the mix (other than the punch sounds etc.), which Hybrid Soldier mentioned on the FSM forum. I'll probably have to, and most likely will do so too, compare all versions second by second, lol.
I hope all of Mr. Zimmer's scores get at least close to full releases! There's too much great music in all the films he has done that hasn't been printed onto CD. I have a feeling it may just be starting to happen... I also love to see that there are tracks 15 and 17 mins long. I miss the old style soundtracks he use to release with only 5 to 8 tracks on them, all with long suites of music.
Take care guys and girls and let's look forward to another great year of music from the MASTER!!!
P.S. You may like some of my music at http://www.myspace.com/zaalentallis - love writing bold themes and gutsy tunes. Enjoy!
Nuke/Mine contains nothing new; in fact, Nuke is a little shorter. I think the bonus tracks were strange choices. They should have hired me to produce the score, I would have done it a bit differently! :P At least they gave us the Butterflies cue without guitar in some form, though.
If you wanna get in touch, look for Gavin Salkeld composer on google
Interesting, it seems the lalaland team loves to replace some "film version" cues by alternate versions (Broken Arrow, Speed 2...) ! This explains why "Nuke" appears as on the original album version, as it contain "butterflies" as it is heard in the movie... Iceboy, you can add the "Broken Arrow suite" by Don Harper too, as it contains slightly different arrangements of "The Boat" and "Eat a Bullet" !
Why do they NEVER get it right? Why cant we have the film music as heard in the film without alternates in amongst it? Put them as bonus tracks, fine, but not with the rest of the score. Id rather alternates be bonus tracks than be in the actual film score section. I am looking forward to the linear notes.
Don Harper's arrangements are the actual basic tracks he composed, before Zimmer added stuff to them to make the film versions.