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Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.
Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.
The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.I thought Hans was collaborating with Faltermayer For Top Gun 2From both ASCAP and GEMACan these be accessed anywhere?
The dream is collapsing... :oHoly f*ck, just listened to "Too Many Notes..." and its containing pirates theme itself from Pirates of the caribbean'No Good About Goodbye' was never the intended song for QOS. It was composed after the film was completed using thematic material from the film for Shirley Bassey to perform on her, David Arnold produced album, 'The Performance'Those files are just sitting there.<br><br>Undownloadable.<br><br>Taunting me.@Ds<br>Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br><br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br><br>I already discussed 300 and Pacific Rim.  Clearly deep scripts aren't what I'm aiming for here when I talk about good blockbusters.<br><br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br><br>300's a great example of this, though unfortunately a lot of Snyder's other work isn't, and Bay is close behind.  Their films get bogged with way too much obnoxious bullshit to make the odd sequence worth it.<br><br>The Scorponok sequence from TF1, the warehouse fight from BvS, that's real standout stuff.  Stuff that loses a lot of its luster when surrounded by two-and-a-half, or god forbid THREE, hours of self-serious pretense, lazy humor, and/or annoying characters.<br><br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br><br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole, and need to learn to consolidate their efforts into something that brings out their best and subdues their worst.  Snyder in particular has SERIOUSLY misjudged where his talent is lately.

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  1. Guilty Of Being Innocent Of Being Jack Sparrow (1:42)
    Hans Zimmer, Matthew Margeson
  2. Angelica (4:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Eduardo Cruz feat. Rodrigo Y Gabriela
  3. Mutiny (2:48) *
    Hans Zimmer, Matthew Margeson, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  4. The Pirate That Should Not Be (3:55)
    Rodrigo Y Gabriela, Hans Zimmer
  5. Mermaids (8:05)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Eric Whitacre
  6. South Of Heaven's Chanting Mermaids (5:48)
    Rodrigo Y Gabriela, Hans Zimmer
  7. Palm Tree Escape (3:06)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli feat. Rodrigo Y Gabriela
  8. Blackbeard (5:05) *
    Hans Zimmer, Matthew Margeson, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  9. Angry And Dead Again (5:33)
    Rodrigo Y Gabriela, Hans Zimmer
  10. On Stranger Tides (2:44)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Eric Whitacre
  11. End Credits (1:59)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  12. Guilty Of Being Innocent Of Being Jack Sparrow Remixed - DJ Earworm (2:45)
  13. Angelica (Grant Us Peace) Remixed - Ki:Theory (3:08)
  14. The Pirate That Should Not Be Remixed - Photek (6:26)
  15. Blackbeard Remixed - Super Smash Bros & Thieves (5:26)
  16. South Of Heaven's Chanting Mermaids Remixed - Paper Diamond (3:32)
  17. Palm Tree Escape Remixed - Adam Freeland (5:28)
  18. Angry And Dead Again Remixed - Static Avenger (5:49)
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Anonymous reply Replies: 14 || 2018-10-26 11:10:33
Disney decided to reboot the POTC !! I hope hans will back

Macejko2018-10-26 11:18:55
Because that makes total sense.

Edmund Meinerts2018-10-26 12:59:30
Wtf. A reboot. Are you serious. Johnny Depp isn't even cold in his grave yet!

Backbiter2018-10-26 17:21:01
Is this official?

Agent2018-10-26 20:01:33
it's a rumor. All this thing is a rumor. Nothing is confirmed. Personally, I hope they don't reboot the seies.

Anonymous2018-10-26 20:12:01
No i think it is true. Even they choose the writers. The writers are deadpool writers. This news is in many famous web sites. Look at this for example : rtainment/films/news/johnny-depp-pirates-of-the-caribbean-re boot-captain-jack-sparrow-disney-a8602351.html%3famp

Ds2018-10-26 21:52:25
Like the 5th one wasn't a reboot already...

Anton2018-10-26 22:00:21
Balfe for Pirates

Mephariel2018-10-26 22:16:53
The only way I can see Hans Zimmer coming back is if Nolan direct this. Or maybe Ron Howard.

Anonymous2018-10-28 07:46:07
Reboot, huh? Not sure what's left for them to make a film about.

Either way, let Alan Silvestri score that so that everyone can make the comparison, pick a favorite and we can finally bring this issue to closure.

Meta2018-10-28 10:41:43
Confirmed on Fox news....Depp is booted.

Silly Disney. Good luck with your Pirates franchise!

Anonymous2018-10-28 15:49:52
You know I think it’s good idea to reboot the POTC. Because most of the critics were against dead men tell no stories. Maybe in the new one they can achieve the success of first two movies. And don’t forget the script writers are perfect

Backbiter2018-10-28 16:05:17
No Zimmer and no Johnny Depp...
This Franchise is doomed.

Mephariel2018-10-28 21:42:21
Jerry Bruckheimer is still involved. So most likely either Hans or RCP will still be involved.

rockhound2018-10-29 15:51:00
if bruckheimer is really still involved, it could be also a good chance to get trevor rabin. this reboot should get at least a lil different musical voice... ;)

Tim reply Replies: 0 || 2017-02-05 09:36:22
Did you guys notice the latest behind-the-scenes video of Star Citizen. It's about the music of the games singeplayer campaign called SQUADRON 52. And Geoff Zanelli is in it talking about his score in this massively ambitious space opera

Agent reply Replies: 2 || 2017-02-05 03:42:31
Anybody knows if the new trailer for Pirates of the Caribbean:Dead Men Tell No Tales is coming out this Sunday? Thanks.

Anonymous2017-02-05 08:19:36
You mean is it airing during Super Bowl LI? Yes

Anonymous2017-02-05 08:20:34
Allow me to correct myself. It will be a 30-sec tv spot. Not a full trailer.

Vivien reply Replies: 1 || 2016-09-17 09:21:31
Geoff Zanelli posted a little sneak peek at his PIRATES 5 score on Facebook and it sounds very good !

Vivien2016-10-03 08:25:37
First trailer out with Geoff's score !

Brent reply Replies: 5 || 2016-07-08 20:40:58
So, I'm not sure if this is a confirmation, but Joachim Ronning just posted a photo on Instagram of Geoff Zanelli working on some music for Pirates 5.

Yippee! Lol

Hybrid Soldier2016-07-08 21:48:00
Well if the directors posts it, there's no reason to "hide" it anymore, yes, Geoff has been on POTC 5 for a long time !

Scorefan2016-07-09 02:51:06
@Hybrid, questions.
Geoff will use themes from the previous films and will write new music? Or it will be the same situation as Zimmer with Pirates 4?
Geoff will have some freedom in write the music?

Hybrid Soldier2016-07-09 09:18:55
Seriously, I'm not in the studio, I don't know.

The first question is an obvious yes, the film is not directed by Rob Marshall. Wait & see !

Brent2016-08-16 22:49:25
variety .com/2016/film/news/pirates-of-the-caribbean-composer-geoff- zanelli-1201838412/

As you can tell, I've been following this very closely. Lol

Bibi2016-09-15 08:18:37
Geoff Zanelli is scoring PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES at Sony this week

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 1 || 2016-09-09 18:27:18
I hope for a good album for Pirates 5.

meta2016-09-10 02:11:49
i liked what he did in Lone Ranger, so hopefully itll be fun.

Brent reply Replies: 11 || 2016-05-27 06:38:54
I'm probably getting a little impatient, but still no word on Geoff and Pirates 5? It seems they're in the thick of post production, and still no news... Lol

Hybrid Soldier2016-05-28 10:37:37
Patience !!

...2016-05-28 10:45:09
I really hope Hans returns! He could co compose it with Zanelli John Williams returned to Star Wars and indiana jones, john powell returned to Bourne so I think HZ should do the same:)

Hybrid Soldier2016-05-28 10:53:55
HZ will not return... The score is being done as we speak, and Hans is touring ! lol

He will probably give his opinion since they always ask for it, but he will not return... :P

geheim2016-05-28 14:10:30
Do you know WHY Hans is not returning for Pirates 5?? I'd really like to hear his reasons...
Because he did an amazing job with the other scores and I'm not really looking forward to seeing a Pirates movie without a true Hans Zimmer score... And I'm sure lots of people think the same way.

So, if you could tell a bit about his reasons, I'd really appreciate it :) Thanks!

Vivien2016-05-28 16:36:06
Well he has done the job since Pirates 3, the 4th was unexpected so it's more a patchwork than a very strong score. So it's not a surprise if Hans is not back on the 5th, it's better in that way I think.

Hybrid Soldier2016-05-28 17:52:04
Because he spent many years on this saga and it was time to move on, and the production of the fourth was horrendous... lol

Edmund Meinerts2016-05-29 00:01:03
Not only am I perfectly fine with Hans not returning for 5, I wish he hadn't been dragged back for On Stranger Tides either. At World's End ties up that series of scores so phenomenally well, there really was no more need for him to continue (or for more films to be made, but that's a debate for another time...).

If you ask me, you couldn't find a more appropriate steward of the franchise than Geoff Zanelli, who is the only other person than Hans to have worked on all four scores so far. I'm really excited to see what he does. I have no doubt we'll hear plenty of familiar music, though hopefully in fresher renditions than the straight rehashing of On Stranger Tides.

Also, is it even confirmed that Powell is legitimately returning to work on Bourne? Or is it going to be a Buckley score using Powell's themes and Powell's only credited for the latter? And what happened to the no-RC-no-Powell-no-Greengrass-no-way thing?

geheim2016-05-29 09:50:23
Thanks @HybridSoldier
Well, it can't be helped anyway, but Pirates without Hans won't be Pirates for me.

I really hope Geoff Zanelli will continue to use a lot of the "old" themes, because that IS Pirates. Pirates 3 is my most favorite score of Hans ever. I hated the fourth film, but the music was good nevertheless. And I have a feeling about Pirates 5 being a much better film than the last, so I really hoped for a new epic Hans Zimmer score coming along with it...

I am really sad, and hope Hans would consider returning for a possible 6th film. For now it is clear to me that I won't be watching Pirates 5 in cinema, like this it is enough for me to wait for the home release.

Anyway, thanks for your fast reply @HybridSoldier :)

Hybrid Soldier2016-05-29 12:59:33
Well first of all know that Martin Tillman officially signed to be the Cello of POTC 5... So I doubt we should worry... The POTC sound shall return ! ;)

geheim2016-05-31 20:42:39
Well, that sounds good, so lets hope for a return of the typical POTC sound, even without Hans ;) Still sad he doesn't do it himself, but I'll give Geoff his chance of course ;)

Brent2016-05-31 22:44:23
Geoff will be more than fine. I have complete faith in him. Hopefully, it breathes a little freshness into the franchise.

NM reply Replies: 3 || 2014-11-07 01:31:22
I know there's not much to be said for this score any more, but I was listening to some Pirates, did anyone else feel like this score sounds weirdly 'hollow'... like just something really thin and unsatisfying about the orchestration. It sounds (to me) really flat and cheap compared to especially to the third.

You really notice it with the recycled cues, when you compare them to the original - the originals sound crisp and intricate, whereas the P4 version sounds watery. Wonder what happened here?

Mike2014-11-07 01:33:37
Oh, you're not alone. I've noticed that, too.

Sean2015-07-14 07:52:32
You put what I was thinking into words perfectly.

RealFfingMusic2015-07-15 16:17:53
It's symbolic. Barbossa lost his leg, Jack lost his ship with the crew (Pintel and Ragetti), Disney lost the ability to make a story AND Gore Verbinski, we lost Elizabeth and Will (and Pintel & Ragetti), Hans lost his calibre. These all fit.

User reply Replies: 0 || 2015-03-28 00:21:38
For track 18, "Static Avenger" should be corrected to "Static Revenger".

Frank reply Replies: 2 || 2015-03-10 06:17:29
So when will Hybrid make a new page for the complete score?

Hybrid Soldier2015-03-10 08:53:35
I'm human you know, I sleep from time to time...


cardner2015-03-10 09:31:53
now this complete score is leaked.

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2014-12-09 18:35:09
Did anyone else notice how open Zimmer was with the credits for this one? He flat-out said Zanelli wrote the Spaniard theme, and that Eduardo Cruz and Rodrigo y Gabriela helped out with the Angelica stuff, and that he took care of Blackbeard and the Mermaids...typically he doesn't go into that much detail.

Anonymous2014-12-09 19:55:25
AMybe that's how much he just really didn't give a fuck about this score.....

Adam reply Replies: 15 || 2014-09-05 23:10:37
Geoff Zanelli gets the Pirates 5 gig! tes-of-the-caribbean-dead-men-tell-no-tales/

Mike2014-09-05 23:52:39
Ahahaha, we all knew this one! Still a little sad Zimmer himself isn't scoring it, but there will still be plenty of continuity and probably a quality score this way! :D

Hybrid Soldier2014-09-05 23:56:35
Well Hans probably won't be that far...

...2014-09-06 00:34:23
Even though the fact that Zanelli is scoring it instead of someone like say, Brian Tyler is I suppose good, I am really sad that Hans isn't scoring it. The pirates scores were the first I ever heard from Hans and ever since he's been my favourite composer...Now I feel like I've lost all excitement for this potc movie, because what is pirates without zimmer?

I really hoped he'd reconcile and score 5, but we'll see what happens... Good luck mr Zanneli...

ei182014-09-06 01:58:12
Is this true? the article is not on the website anymore, it takes me to a 404 page.

Mike2014-09-06 02:00:38
It definitely WAS on the website. I went to it.

Anonymous2014-09-06 02:01:45
so hybrid soldier you think zimmer will end up working on it ?

Mike2014-09-06 02:13:09
For anyone saddened about this...whether or not Hans eventually comes back, this news means that POTC5 will be a true Pirates score. Zanelli has had a ton of experience with the series and wrote some subthemes throughout. He knows how the series "sounds" and will probably continue it faithfully. Not to mention that he was the one person who enjoyed doing POTC4, allegedly, so if he enjoys doing this one, too, that will probably affect the score as a whole in a positive way.

Adam2014-09-06 02:41:38
Uh, yeah, it WAS on the site, but now it's not (they deleted their tweet about it too!), so who knows...

bro2014-09-06 04:43:35
Zanelli was responsible for quite a lot of the things we all liked about the pirates scores. This is probably a big deal to him and we should support this.

Brent2014-09-06 08:08:07
This news better be accurate, because if it is, this just made my day!!!

Hybrid Soldier2014-09-06 08:52:52
To be honest Film Music Reporter got a little too fast, Geoff told me it's not strictly speaking official yet.

But it's gonna happen, I have no doubt about it ! :)

Lambegue2014-09-06 16:55:06
I'm very happy about this !

Ds2014-09-07 22:59:08
Awesome! Really no better thing could have happened. It looks like some executive at Disney heard our prayers :p

NTNBaessi2014-09-08 18:45:48
Great news! Looking foward a great score from Geoff :)

NTNBaessi2014-09-08 18:47:33

Mike reply Replies: 10 || 2014-08-05 23:45:41
Was Hans at all involved in writing "The Pirate That Should Not Be", "Angry & Dead Again", and "South of Heaven's Chanting Mermaids"?

Hybrid Soldier2014-08-05 23:54:32
Yeah NGS too (lol), they are early demos/jamming that obviously didn't make it to the film...

Mike2014-08-05 23:56:35
Interesting. Would've been interesting if they were in the film. xD It would have been an improvement over the temp-track fest that the final score was, at least. :P

Lambegue2014-08-11 19:22:17
I don't know, I really don't like the style of those tracks a lot...

thejok3rrules2014-08-11 19:38:13
No one does.

Zimson2014-08-11 20:27:59
Lol it's still better than the average RCP score. "Angelica" and "Palm Tree Escape" are quite enjoyable.

NM2014-08-12 01:10:24
I think those ideas would've been fleshed out more. I think 'Palm Tree Escape' offers a glimpse at what could've been. It still baffles me though that London didn't get a theme. For some reason that's one of my biggest disappointments music-wise (in fact I think the London scenes had all the worst music). *shrug*

Mike2014-08-12 16:19:35
So NGS did do some form of writing on this score. Good to hear. It wouldn't be a POTC score without him. ;)

NTNBaessi2014-08-29 13:23:05
I just hope that if Hans doesn't score the fifth one they hire Geoff to do it. After all the problems they had with OST wanting to temp-track it they wouldn't call someone outside RCP in order to do it, right? My dream coming truth would be HZ coming back. Maybe its possible since the have new directors. We've seen HZ changing his mind before...

NM2014-08-29 14:24:00
Won't make any difference if you have the same cowardly executives.

NTNBaessi2014-08-29 15:00:09
I'm not sure if I'll watch it without a HZ (or GZ) score. Hope it all works out fine.

Zimson reply Replies: 1 || 2014-08-12 16:23:29
I just got a pop up: "Please enter email adress where download link will be sent." I recommend you to check for malware on your site. :/

Zimson2014-08-12 19:49:30
Guys, the title of the pop-up was

Pirates 5 reply Replies: 4 || 2014-08-04 23:04:39
Now that pirates 5 is coming out in 2017, maybe Hans will change his mind and come back one last time.

Mike2014-08-04 23:17:53
I would appreciate it if he and co. would write another GOOD Pirates score (and thus let us forget this one happened), but it doesn't seem likely to me.

NM2014-08-05 03:06:00
I think I'd be pretty jaded after P4. I mean, it really is an atrocious score with the exception of 'Mermaids' and Geoff Zanelli's fun arrangements.

I think it's been said before that it'd be cool if he got a crack at being the lead composer, but not if it's just going to end up another cut-and-paste recycled mess.

Brent2014-08-05 08:31:12
I think Geoff would be the best bet. He seems like he has always had a great time with this series, and other than Zimmer, seems to have the most influence in the tone of the series thus far. If Zimmer doesn't return, Zanelli would be my #1 choice.

Mike2014-08-05 13:54:12
Speaking of Geoff Zanelli, Hybrid, would you be able to put the End Titles from Modern Warfare 3 Defiance (found on his site) on his page here? It's awesome stuff. ;)

Areozz reply Replies: 3 || 2014-02-14 05:06:27
"Syrena Saves Philip": this is not a track from the demos that surfaced a while back. The orchestration feels more real, unless I'm imagining things. Where did this come from and/or can it be found in higher quality?

Unless what I am interpreting as static is really part of the music, or said static is so bad that it has changed a demo track that drastically. After listening again, I suspect the former. After listening a few more times, now I feel like it's the latter.

So, uh, any help with this one?

Tamara2014-03-30 03:21:17
This is actually Syrena saves philip alternate 3 the one that was used in the movie is alternate 1. I hope this helps :)

Areozz2014-03-30 20:12:26
Hmmm...The "Jack Jumps" track that was added sometime also has differences. Unlike that other one, this cue only has two versions on the demos so there's less to compare this against. And what do I hear? Some interesting overlays on the track here that aren't present on the corresponding demo version of it.

Methinks somebody here has the real recorded (if that's a legitimate term to use here) orchestral score or else other composers have posted their contributions and I just haven't run across said composers' websites...

By the way, thanks for responding Tamara!

Tamara2014-04-08 10:35:41
I've listened to all the songs in that are displayed and something is different in all of them but it's quite nice to hear slightly different versions. The originals are still my fave though and are far more dramatic with a lot more dynamic contrast.

Roman reply Replies: 1 || 2014-03-24 13:09:09
Please, help me, i can't find piano sheet music from "pirates of the caribbean:on the stranger tides", if you can send me them, please, answer me.

Lambegue2014-03-24 13:16:08
They are not really hard to find...Check different sheet music dedicated websites, and you'll find several cues.

Anonymous reply Replies: 5 || 2014-02-11 18:01:56
0:45-0:51 in Spanish Arrive....isn't that in Crimson Tide???

huehuehue2014-02-11 19:09:08
The melody is from "Dies irae", a 13th century Latin Catholic hymn. Look it up on youtube. It's been used in a ton of Zimmer/mv/rc scores as well as by other non-rc composers. It features prominently in Road to El dorado, for instance. The other day I also noticed it in the rock.

Mike2014-02-11 19:49:37
Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought it sounded like Dies Irae!

Mortifer V.2014-03-10 15:13:28
While listening to that part from On Stranger Tides, I was thinking that I must have also heard this melody in some other movie... I was sure of it. And now I remembered what the movie was :P "Main Titles" from the classic movie "The Shinning", it's an even more stretched version of that melody. And I also think (not sure at all) that the track from On Stranger Tides (or, more precisely, the first time this has been copied into a RC/MV score) actually copies the copy from The Shining ;p Then again, who knows, this part might have been used in a lot more scores/songs...

Edmund Meinerts2014-03-10 15:52:30
It's in Conan the Barbarian by Poledouris as well. Hell, even the original Star Wars has a nod to it. I don't think you can point to a single score/film and say "that one started it" - it's just been a part of the collective musical memory for so long.

Hybrid Soldier2014-03-10 19:01:38
It's on MANY MANY scores... The Road To El Dorado, POTC 4, Crimson Tide, D-War etc...

It's a famous tune used & reused & rereused !

Mike reply Replies: 5 || 2014-01-13 19:10:42
Did this score have any suites written for it? Like, is there a Mermaid Suite or a Blackbeard Suite in Hans' repertoire anywhere?

badbu2014-01-13 19:27:46
i don't think so :/

Mike2014-01-13 19:44:50
Maybe Zimmer (and co.) didn't bother writing suites after they were told to temp track most of the score.

Hybrid Soldier2014-01-13 19:50:12
Mermaid Suite (basically the first half of Mermaids here) & Angelica Suite...

Mike2014-01-13 20:28:15
Oh, I was under the impression that the Mermaids track was the cue accompanying the mermaids' first scene and that Angelica was the complete version of the dance scene cue (and that only part of it got used). Thanks. lol.

badbu2014-01-14 15:55:19
btw, "mermaids" are amazing!so powerful!

Hans reply Replies: 1 || 2013-09-11 01:53:08
Pirates 5 will be delayed until 2016. I think Disney is making a smart move and maybe Hans will change his mind....doubt it, but who knows. This next movie they want to keep it good.

Mike2013-09-11 03:14:24
Praise Christ the Lord...In my opinion, I think it would still be wise to simply cancel it, but even a careful move like this is good in my book.

Argh!!! reply Replies: 5 || 2013-08-27 22:26:47
New title for the 5th film. Dead Man Tell No Tales:). I love the title name and it gets me excited to see what they will do. I know Hans probably won't score it but I'm hoping Geoff gets to do it if Hans is not going to do it. What are your thoughts on the title? Like or dislike? And why.

MacArthur2013-08-27 22:49:44
I Like It Sounds Catchy I Sure Hope Zimmer changes his mind about scoring it it would make my day if I found out he was scoring it. I think it would give him a chance to redeem himself for the last score

MacArthur2013-08-27 22:51:26
sorry forgot the Period after it ;)

Edmund Meinerts2013-08-27 23:49:47
It would be interesting if they got Klaus Badelt back to actually score the thing himself this time. It'll never happen though. :D

MacArthur2013-08-28 01:02:09
In my opinion Zimmer's Scores are better Especially POTC2

MacArthur2013-08-28 01:03:41
POTC1 Is My 3rd favorite of the 4 scores The last being this one. POTC3 is 2nd.

fred reply Replies: 1 || 2013-08-18 22:47:13
Does the "Spanish theme" 10. On stranger tides have actual words in the vocals? If so what are they?

Mike2013-08-19 14:56:47
I imagine not...I would guess it just needed to sound cool.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-08-01 16:26:30
Ahhhh On Stranger much better you could have been! With the exception of tracks 5 and 10, this soundtrack is kinda lame. Fun but lame.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2013-07-23 04:47:54
Question, Hybrid. Normally w/ movie cues, Zimmer either guides the additional composers through them, saying what he wants, giving thumbs up or down, rearranging if necessary, or he does them himself...But what about in the case of a movie like this, where Zimmer and co. were forced against their wills to temp track most of it? Was Zimmer still in charge of the cues in that case or was it the director saying what should go where?

Luke reply Replies: 7 || 2013-07-09 22:02:40
Gosh the development of this score is weird....There were so many people involved with it, but still the movie had 90% temp music. Zimmer did the mermaid theme and the Blackbeard theme, Zimmer, Eduardo Cruz and Rodrigo y Gabriela collectively came up with Angelica's music, then Geoff Zanelli was the guy who wrote the awesome Spanish theme. I wonder what this score would have been like had Disney accepted Hans' new ideas. And I wonder as well who will score the movie that should not be made, Pirates 5. I imagine Zanelli will do it. He's been the number 2 guy on the other ones, so if I had to pick anyone other than Zimmer, he'd be it.

Brent2013-07-09 22:07:28
I'm all for another Pirates film as long as it's done right (which after the wretched On Stranger Tides, who knows). I too would love Zanelli to score Pirates 5. Really, other than Zimmer, Zanelli is the one which threads all the movies together.

Mike2013-07-09 22:13:15
In a lot of ways, I think having Zanelli score the film (rather than having Hans change his mind and do it) would give us a superior score. Why? Because I think that Zimmer wants to be done with this franchise, whereas Geoff Zanelli seemed to enjoy working on all of them. And if Zimmer doesn't enjoy it, that will probably show within the score he writes.

Jimmy2013-07-09 22:23:29
Speaking of Zanelli and PotC4, have you guys heard the "Mermaid Attack" cue on his site? It's a lot better than the one on the album (the one which gave only a slight alteration of Beckett's demise).

Hybrid Soldier2013-07-09 23:16:22
Trust me from Geoff's word, doing P5 would be a dream come true for him... :)

Mike2013-07-09 23:31:12
That being the case, Hybrid, maybe Hans would recommend that Geoff to Disney. That would be a win-win scenario. Hans would be free of having to score it, Geoff would be able to score it if he wanted, and we'd still have a score that sounds basically like the other four.

Mike2013-07-09 23:31:39
recommend Geoff* to Disney

Jasper2013-07-10 01:53:37
I truly think Geoff deserves the same kind of big budget productions as Lorne Balfe or Ramin Djawadi. He's always been my favorite RMP guy besides Zimmer.

James reply Replies: 5 || 2013-06-08 02:08:15
Hybrid, in an interview for this film Zimmer calls Rob Marshall a "complete gentleman" who "couldn't have been kinder to the music in the movie". But you make it seem like he had an awful time working with him. So was that just Hans being polite? :P

Mike2013-06-08 02:14:07
Maybe Hans called Rob a "complete gentleman" because Hans himself is a "complete gentleman" who didn't want to ruin the director's reputation... :P

NTNB2013-06-08 05:38:01
Hybrid, the problem was with the director or was with Disney? There is any chance of a HZ score now that new directors were hired?

Hybrid Soldier2013-06-08 07:51:13
Never trust official interviews or DVD featurettes. Remember how Djawadi said working on Iron Man was great ? xD

Mike2013-06-08 09:06:44
Hybrid, what was Hans' worst scoring experience, a movie he wishes he never worked on?

Macejko2013-06-08 15:25:45
Hybrid: Whoa, what was wrong with Iron Man?

Hans reply Replies: 1 || 2013-06-05 00:06:57
New directors for the 5th pirates. Hope they make a good 5th. Hope one of hans buddies will score it or maybe he will change his mind and do it.....don't think so haha.

Brent2013-06-05 07:56:10
I certainly hope so as well. If not, I'm all for Zanelli or Örvarsson doing the score.

Anonymous reply Replies: 8 || 2013-05-13 07:00:47
I wonder who will compose the fifth movie now that Hans isn't. Will Disney hire an RCP member who worked on the others or will they get someone else? Time will tell...

Mike2013-05-13 07:09:15
I really, really think they should just cancel plans for that movie right now. They should have stopped at #3 (some would argue they should have stopped at #1). It was evident with #4 that it was mostly a way to make money (according to Rotten Tomatoes, 33% of critics gave the movie a positive review), and it's even more evident with this one. Now even the main composer of the series has decided to be done with it.

Disney, if you're reading this, please scrap the film. lol.

Edmund Meinerts2013-05-13 09:50:05
Yep, Pirates has definitely outstayed its welcome. Although I certainly wouldn't be against a PotC 5 as long as they make it fresh and non-money-grabbing, and they got Geoff Zanelli to write a great score that pays tribute to the Zimmer scores without using them as a crutch too much. :)

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 09:59:11
For once, we agree completely Ed !

Anonymous 22013-05-14 00:01:25
What makes you think Hans isn't coming back? I think as long as Jerry Bruckheimer is producing I think he will stay because he wanted hans to do pirates from the beginning and let Alan Silvestri go. Bruckheimer likes his style of music and so we will see. I'm hoping he comes back to do the 5th.

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-14 00:03:05
Because he told me !

And, I still hope there will be a change in that decision if they hire a decent director, this time...

Mike2013-05-14 00:11:39
Yes, Anonymous 2, Hans told Hybrid, who in turn told us. Now Hybrid, if there were a different director who wouldn't insist on temp tracks, do you think Hans would wanna work on the film?

Anonymous 22013-05-14 20:07:45
Haha he said he wasn't doing Man of Steel. Look what happened there. I think it's too early to assume he is out even though he told you. A lot of things can happen from now until post production of the new pirates. I think once a director is chosen and what direction the production is going then will we know if he is doing it or if one of his guys are. I hope he changes his mind though. If not I hope he at least helps out with writing some of the music or something with the music if he does not compose.

King Kamehameha2013-05-15 01:47:06
Well I would be more than happy if Hans Zimmer decided to take the project, delivered an amazing score, and let us all forget that this one happened in the process.... ;)

Mike reply Replies: 15 || 2012-10-14 02:56:01
lol...I'll be honest. I hated that there were so many remixes on this album that could've been score material.

Anonymous2013-05-03 09:31:30
Idk why...the score was mostly a giant rehash of the previous scores. :P

Mike2013-05-03 09:40:01
Now that I've heard more of the full score, I agree (I wrote that when I saw the film once or twice). But there are a FEW noteworthy cues, like when the Spanish arrive at the Fountain of Youth, and the jungle trek.

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-03 09:43:06
Hans wrote about it on the VI Control Forum :

"I am truly sorry that anyone watched POTC "On Stranger Tides".
Honestly, we really had a good idea, but alas...It's very hard to tell a company they can't use the temp when they actually own it! Now, that's Temp Hell..."

Mike2013-05-03 09:45:46
Whoa...the company owns the cues, and not that guy who wrote them? What kinda world do we live in...Anyway, Hans needn't feel too bad. He redeemed himself with The Dark Knight Rises (judging by the suites he wrote alone), and I'm sure Man of Steel will be great, too.

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-03 09:47:23
What you don't get is that to temp a movie with other cues, a production company has to pay...

Then, temp can be limited...

With Disney owning his own POTC scores, they could do what they want temping the movie like crazy. And they did. And they wanted the team to stick to it, no matter what.

Mike2013-05-03 09:50:14
I see...And why exactly didn't they let Hans use any original ideas? Did they need to get the film out too quickly?

Mike2013-05-03 09:57:06
*many, not any

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-03 10:03:56
They didn't care & didn't want new ideas... :/

Mike2013-05-03 10:08:44
They probably also thought, "Most people won't notice, and hey, the Pirates music is already thought of as 'epic' by the common audience, so it probably won't matter what form it comes in".

Here's to hoping the don't make the same mistake with any possible Lone Ranger sequels.

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-03 10:29:12
Gore Verbinski is not Rob Marshall... ;)

Mike2013-05-03 10:36:35
Very good point. Forgot POTC4 was a different director.

Ds2013-05-03 14:14:46
Agree! Gore Verbinski's an amazing director. From the trailers, The Lone Ranger doesn't look so good but i'm sure it'll be original and inventive, just like everything Verbinski's done.

Btw Hybrid, do you have an idea of how TLR score's going to sound? I hope it'll be VERY different from POTC.

Jasper2013-05-04 17:17:10
Maybe using a lot of temp track also meant having to pay less to Hans and his team? I could be wrong though.

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-04 19:05:42
No you're wrong cause they re-record the whole thing anyway... :)

Aragorn2013-05-04 21:41:08
Okay, then I was right--they DID re-record the stuff. I guess that means that even if it's re-recorded, it's still a temp track.

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