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Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.
Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.
The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.I thought Hans was collaborating with Faltermayer For Top Gun 2From both ASCAP and GEMACan these be accessed anywhere?
The dream is collapsing... :oHoly f*ck, just listened to "Too Many Notes..." and its containing pirates theme itself from Pirates of the caribbean'No Good About Goodbye' was never the intended song for QOS. It was composed after the film was completed using thematic material from the film for Shirley Bassey to perform on her, David Arnold produced album, 'The Performance'Those files are just sitting there.<br><br>Undownloadable.<br><br>Taunting me.@Ds<br>Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br><br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br><br>I already discussed 300 and Pacific Rim.  Clearly deep scripts aren't what I'm aiming for here when I talk about good blockbusters.<br><br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br><br>300's a great example of this, though unfortunately a lot of Snyder's other work isn't, and Bay is close behind.  Their films get bogged with way too much obnoxious bullshit to make the odd sequence worth it.<br><br>The Scorponok sequence from TF1, the warehouse fight from BvS, that's real standout stuff.  Stuff that loses a lot of its luster when surrounded by two-and-a-half, or god forbid THREE, hours of self-serious pretense, lazy humor, and/or annoying characters.<br><br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br><br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole, and need to learn to consolidate their efforts into something that brings out their best and subdues their worst.  Snyder in particular has SERIOUSLY misjudged where his talent is lately.

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  1. Guilty Of Being Innocent Of Being Jack Sparrow (1:42)
    Hans Zimmer, Matthew Margeson
  2. Angelica (4:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Eduardo Cruz feat. Rodrigo Y Gabriela
  3. Mutiny (2:48) *
    Hans Zimmer, Matthew Margeson, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  4. The Pirate That Should Not Be (3:55)
    Rodrigo Y Gabriela, Hans Zimmer
  5. Mermaids (8:05)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Eric Whitacre
  6. South Of Heaven's Chanting Mermaids (5:48)
    Rodrigo Y Gabriela, Hans Zimmer
  7. Palm Tree Escape (3:06)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli feat. Rodrigo Y Gabriela
  8. Blackbeard (5:05) *
    Hans Zimmer, Matthew Margeson, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  9. Angry And Dead Again (5:33)
    Rodrigo Y Gabriela, Hans Zimmer
  10. On Stranger Tides (2:44)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Eric Whitacre
  11. End Credits (1:59)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  12. Guilty Of Being Innocent Of Being Jack Sparrow Remixed - DJ Earworm (2:45)
  13. Angelica (Grant Us Peace) Remixed - Ki:Theory (3:08)
  14. The Pirate That Should Not Be Remixed - Photek (6:26)
  15. Blackbeard Remixed - Super Smash Bros & Thieves (5:26)
  16. South Of Heaven's Chanting Mermaids Remixed - Paper Diamond (3:32)
  17. Palm Tree Escape Remixed - Adam Freeland (5:28)
  18. Angry And Dead Again Remixed - Static Avenger (5:49)
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D A R T H reply Replies: 1 || 2011-05-12 07:16:55
on several forums a lot of people don't like the score : too short, too much guitars, too much re-used themes... it's a big deception !

personnally i like 1,2,5,6,10,...

Anonymous2011-05-12 08:27:19
Yes the score is horrible on cd. I hope it equally bad in the movie so I don't have to be anxious for a recording session to leak someday.

Pete reply Replies: 1 || 2011-05-11 20:55:09
I was trying to remember that little arpeggio motif in the middle of Blackbeard. First I thought it was used in one of the latest trailers but now I've got it! It's from a little bit of Dead Man's Chest I have no idea where in the movie, it wasn't on the soundtrack, but it was played in a video of the recording sessions for DMC on youtube. Awesome!

Ds2011-05-12 04:09:23
It was the scene of the haunting dress to Tortuga :)

Renewed reply Replies: 1 || 2011-05-12 02:53:38
I took the chance to listen to it as well as read the reviews. I guess I'll post mine.

I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. The samples had me a bit apprehensive, some of them sounded like they had promise, others were on the "meh" side. But listening to the whole complete thing was a truly wonderful experience.

As far as music goes, is it as "good" in "objective" musical terms as the stuff on the At World's End album, perhaps not. Reprisal of old themes in the album was also fairly minimal in the last two releases, especially AWE. Here quite a lot of the music seems to be derived from "Dead Man's Chest" in particular, and to a slightly lesser extent "Curse of the black pearl", with a few snippets of stuff from "At World's End" thrown in there.

While I don't quite think the compositions match, say, the breathtaking quality of the "Marry Me" suite, for example, this album I think has a lot of the "fun" factor. In that regard it's very much akin to the first one (in fact one can't help but be reminded of the first movie listening through these tracks). It's guilt-free action music, strong, simple, memorable themes with a cool Spanish twist, and it's not pretending to be anything but.

Some of it sounds fairly synthesized, again lending to the feeling of it being like the first one (though it should be noted it's easy enough to hear an actual orchestra was used as opposed to the first), and variants on "He's A Pirate" are heathily used. I got the feeling that they only brought it out on "special occassion" in the last two films (and hence albums) so it's nice to see the classic theme being used heartily. Someone else posted a good track-by-track review, so I'll just talk bout a few of the tracks I particularly enjoyed:

Track 5 - Mermaids

I absolutely loved this track. It was everything I could've hoped for, haunting, dark, powerful. The choir was chilling at times, and the mermaid theme itself is very strong and memorable. I can't wait to see this scene in the movie. If I had to make one criticism, as much as I love the "Beckett Death Theme", it felt like it was just "tracked in" with a bit of extra choir and percussion thrown on top. The edits were a bit too sharp and obvious for my ears. But the reprisal of the Blackbeard theme at the end was magnificent. The little melancholic drop to a prominent cello brought to mind the Lion King for a second.

Track 7 - Palm Tree Escape

The whole track, more or less is a reprisal of Dead Man's Chest themes. It starts with a fun variant of Jack's Theme, and then a reprisal of the end of "Hello Beastie" with chopping strings, a quick burst of Jack's DMC action theme with some pretty powerful percussion, some guitar work, and then a burst of what I might call Jack's original action theme, leading into He's A Pirate and then back into the end of a Dead Man's Chest variant of Jack's action theme. What sets it apart is the wonderful guitar work and percussion. It really brings these old tunes to life in a completely new way. It's such a fun and lively track to listen to. To cast if off because it relies heavily on older material is to deny yourself a great listening experience.

Track 8 - Blackbeard

When I first heard the sample for this I was underwhelmed. The tune seemed a bit boring, a bit simple, a bit too "up and down", it didn't feel like it was developing anywhere. But as I heard it more and more, it really grew on me. And hearing the whole thing was an absolute pleasure. The burst of action that follows the slow build up in the beginning is simple, memorable, strong action which is great to listen to. I think fans of the "ghost dress" theme would be glad to see it finally get a release of sorts. A minor criticism would be, it simply cuts off and "chops" to the next bit with little transition, which is a tad distraction, but the next part is grand, majestic and melancholy. I think I'll appreciate it more though when I know the context of that music. After that follows a threatening segment, which reminds one of the "A Family Affair" and indeed segues into a statement from it. However, again, similar to "Mermaids", the segment feels very "tracked in", almost like it wasn't re-recorded and it was just taken and edited from the previous recordings. Minor grumble aside, I really enjoyed this track.

Track 11 - End Credits

I think this is my favorite version of "He's A Pirate". Up until now it was the Dead Man's Chest variant, but I feel this one tops it. For a start it sounds much more similar to the first, but far less synthesized. The first segment sounds like a cross between the original version and Dead Man's Chest's, that's the best way I can describe it. However where as DMC and AWE's cut out what one might call the B-Section, here it returns with a really cool Spanish twist to it. I've grown so accustomed to hearing that part skipped, so it was amazing to hear it again, and especially brought to new life by the incredible guitar work. The rest of the track is pretty much a contracted version of Dead Man's Chest's variant, but again with new life breathed into it by the guitar. Overall, a really satisfying listen. I've heard it at least 3 or 4 times now.

For the personal enjoyment factor, it would get a 9 out of 10. Being more objective about it, probably a 6.5 or a 7, with At World's End at 8 as a comparison. But if you listen to it and accept it for what it is, you will enjoy it. It is a return to more simple tracks, to less "orchestral" sounding stuff, but it's also a return to simple fun as well, and I hope the film also embodies that.


Jasper2011-05-12 03:14:21
I really agree with you on every level. I also noticed the ''Beckett Death Theme'' being severly edited here. Good to hear it's not just me hearing that.

complete demo mixes reply Replies: 13 || 2011-05-11 02:41:26
1. Hans Zimmer - 1m01 (3:39)
2. Hans Zimmer - 1m02 version A (1:36)
3. Hans Zimmer - 1m02 version B (1:41)
4. Hans Zimmer - 1m02 version C (1:40)
5. Hans Zimmer - 1m03 version A (2:54)
6. Hans Zimmer - 1m03 version B (2:54)
7. Hans Zimmer - 1m04 (0:31)
8. Hans Zimmer - 1m05 (1:03)
9. Hans Zimmer - 1m06 (2:04)
10. Hans Zimmer - 1m07 version A (2:18)
11. Hans Zimmer - 1m07 version B (2:16)
12. Hans Zimmer - 2m8b (0:21)
13. Hans Zimmer - 2m12 (3:05)
14. Hans Zimmer - 2m13b (2:10)
15. Hans Zimmer - 2m14 version A (1:16)
16. Hans Zimmer - 2m14 version B (1:17)
17. Hans Zimmer - 2m15 (2:12)
18. Hans Zimmer - 2m16 (1:32)
19. Hans Zimmer - 2m17 (2:11)
20. Hans Zimmer - 3m18 (0:20)
21. Hans Zimmer - 3m20 (0:50)
22. Hans Zimmer - 3m21 (3:07)
23. Hans Zimmer - 3m22-23 version A (2:28)
24. Hans Zimmer - 3m22-23 version B (2:28)
25. Hans Zimmer - 3m22a (0:21)
26. Hans Zimmer - 3m24-25 (3:18)
27. Hans Zimmer - 3m26 version A (2:04)
28. Hans Zimmer - 3m26 version B (2:09)
29. Hans Zimmer - 3m27 (1:11)
30. Hans Zimmer - 3m28 (0:44)
31. Hans Zimmer - 4m32 version A (2:33)
32. Hans Zimmer - 4m34 version B (9:30)
33. Hans Zimmer - 4m37-38 version A (3:15)
34. Hans Zimmer - 4m37-38 and 5m39 (3:03)
35. Hans Zimmer - 5m40a (0:51)
36. Hans Zimmer - 5m40b (0:27)
37. Hans Zimmer - 5m40c (2:47)
38. Hans Zimmer - 5m41 (1:15)
39. Hans Zimmer - 5m42 (5:41)
40. Hans Zimmer - 5m46 (1:01)
41. Hans Zimmer - 5m47 (2:41)

pecko2011-05-11 02:57:01
yeah. riiiiiggght.

Anonymous2011-05-11 03:38:41
Ive got it right here, Im looking at it lol

Takehiro2011-05-11 03:43:20
Yeah Pecko, this exists. Its discussed further down the page. A couple of people have it.

uhm2011-05-11 04:35:07
must hear!

zach2011-05-11 04:38:55
where did you get this?

pecko2011-05-11 04:51:52
ya ya...uh huh

its ok i know he aint gonna share it since its the only way to prove it biggie dude...

Anonymous2011-05-11 13:32:56
Nice joke

Anonymous2011-05-11 18:13:47
no joke. i will be laughing when it gets leaked and you will remember this post :) if there was some way to get proof to you, i gladly would.

Anonymous2011-05-11 23:10:46
oh rite and post link here? its against rules

Uga2011-05-11 23:34:18
The link doesn't have to be posted here :P

zach2011-05-11 23:49:17
Uga - where then?? & how would we know he posted it?

Uga2011-05-12 01:55:16
There are websites he could post them at, but I dont know if I should give away the names. There is one that is well known to the users around here.

zach2011-05-12 03:11:06
im buying it for sure when it comes out.. .but is it available in 320kbps?

On Stranger Tides Soundtrack Review reply Replies: 8 || 2011-05-11 18:01:17
Well, I've just listened to the entire score. I haven't heard the remixes, and I don't want to.

I like it a lot, I won't compare it to the other scores until I see the movie, it's probably not as good but it's different and excellent in it's own way. There are 3 major new themes from what I can hear. Angelica's theme, Blackbeard's theme and the theme for the Mermaids. All three are strong themes, there is also a handful of old themes mainly from the first and third films.

Here is my track-by-track review.

1. Guilty of Being Innocent of Being Jack Sparrow.
This track is short but sweet. We're given a new arrangement on the old Jack Sparrow themes. Could be longer but sets the stage nicely. The music from the palace escape clip is not present here. 7/10

2. Angelica
This is brilliant. Rod y Gab are on top form here and Hans joins in with some great string arrangements. It's a wonderful catchy theme and fits Angelica perfectly. It's both beautiful and ferocious. 9/10

3. Mutiny
This is a brilliant action track. We're given a subtle hint of Angelica's theme, a quick variation on the He's a Pirate theme and a short but powerful statement of Blackbeard's theme. The cue progresses to a wonderful new powerful choral arrangement of the undead pirates theme from the first film. 8/10

4. The Pirate that should not Be.
I liked this track a lot when I heard it yesterday. It's got some brilliant guitar work and a major transposition of the He's a Pirate theme sneaks in and out. 7/10

5. Mermaids
This is a fascinating track. Mysterious, Beautiful and Fierce. It seems to suit the mermaids as perfectly as Angelica's music suits her. It starts off with ethereal female vocals, a familiar sub-theme from At World's End. (Near the start of the track At Wit's End before the love theme.) This beautiful theme develops into the mermaid's theme with the accompaniment building and growing. Then the music takes a more vicious turn with fast strings and shouting female vocals. The track ends with a new setting of the music from Cutler Beckett's death from the track "I Don't Think Now is the Best Time" from At World's End. 8/10

6. South of Heaven's Chanting Mermaids
Another good track from RyG, with variations on the Mermaid theme from the previous track. 6/10

7. Palm Tree Escape
Starts of with a Wheel Of Fortune style string accompaniment. Then goes into some Jack Sparrow variations culminating in Jack's Action Theme from dead man's chest. Then RyG enter with some great fast-paced guitar lines. Also featured is the new arrangement of the B section of He's a Pirate with guitars and orchestra. 7/10

8. Blackbeard
Blackbeard's theme is fantastic. We heard a snippet of it earlier in Mutiny. It starts off with spooky low strings and electronic effects then builds to a powerful brass theme based on a descending chromatic scale. It's a very evil sounding theme that seems perfect for Blackbeard. 9/10

9. Angry and Dead Again.
This was the only track I didn't like much. It's mostly RyG on their own with a few additional elements. It doesn't seem to fit very well with the rest of the score and feels a bit like filler music for the album. It's rescued by an interesting setting of He's a Pirate at the end. 5/10

10. On Stranger Tides
A Beautiful, elegiac setting for strings and French Horns of the Mermaids theme makes up the first half of this track it then goes into a powerful choral passage ending with more ethereal vocals. 7/10

11. End Credits
This is a fresh sounding version of He's a Pirate. It starts off similarly to the original but with a snarl of low brass at the beginning and a big timp roll. It sounds more electronic like the first He's A Pirate than the more orchestral setting from At World's End. Half way through RyG join in with a reprise of the same theme from Palm Tree Escape. We then get Jack's action theme and finish up with the B part of He's a Pirate.

So. My overall thoughts. I like it a lot, it didn't let me down, pretty much what I was expecting. I'm happy with the new themes and I like the fresh perspective on the familiar old themes. Rodrigo and Gabriela are for the most part brilliant and add a great flavour to the score. Like I said earlier I could have done without that particular solo track but it's not a problem, still pleasant to listen to. What I would like is more orchestra. There seems to be very little real orchestra in this score, a lot of it sounds like samples to me, which is reminiscent of the first film. What I loved about the second and third films was that there was much more live orchestra in the scores. But I guess Hans has evolved since then. Since At World's End he hasn't really done anything very orchestral aside from his animated comedy scores. Angels and Demons, Inception and the Dark Knight were all heavy on the electronics, Sherlock Holmes was a bunch of soloists. That seems to be the way he works now, and I'm happy as long as he keeps bringing out great scores.

Micah2011-05-11 18:29:19
Thanks for the review. You have me really excited now.

Sounds like it uses He's A Pirate quite a bit...a theme that was sorely underutilized in the last two films.

Anonymous2011-05-11 20:24:17
Nice try, Hans Zimmer.

Anonymous2011-05-11 20:56:43
My god. This score is HORRIBLE!

I understand if Hans doens't want to use big full orchestras anymore but then he should't take on epic movie assignments as this. I really think this is one of the worst scores Hans has ever produces in a whole decade.

Also the tracks seems pasted together. It is like I'm listening to bunch of samples of an album. Almost no new themes are introduced, nor are they made better.

Once Hans said in a video interview 'I'm done with pirates' and well it show actually in this score he couldn't care less anymore. Most tracks are composed or co-composed by other composers too...

And to make it even a total horrid disaster Disney decided to add a whole bunch of remixes no soundtrack fan wants.

This is my biggest soundtrack disappointment of 2011 so far.

Prott2011-05-11 21:32:10
I wouldn`t judge the entire score just by this album. :)

Same thing happened (to certain extent) with DMC - and it`s film score is excellent (despite the not-so-good OST).

Epics2011-05-11 21:36:04
Oh yeah. Cause the complete score is just gonna pop up on my computer any moment now...

Prott2011-05-11 22:17:47
Epics: Like someone already said - composer`s job is to score a movie, not to make an excellent album.

However I agree that this album is nowhere close to At World`s End. :)

Micah2011-05-11 22:18:36
I think he's saying that the entire movie score may be better than the OST suggests.

Prott2011-05-11 22:37:00
Micah: Yeah, exactly! ,)

kenobi reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-11 21:48:34
a really big disapointment. I don't like the tracks featuring Rodrigo y Gabriela and the other tracks are just old themes put together (and not even as good as the original...

my hopes goes to the score of x-men first class now !

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-11 21:43:14
a very dynamic score!
old and new themes put togeither with guitar.
excellent score !!!!!!

Micah reply Replies: 8 || 2011-05-11 17:36:34
Dead Man's Chest was weak. Too many suites, tracks were out of order, we got the terrible Tiesto remix, and they left out way too many good scenes (Isla Cruces, Cannibal Island Escape, The Flying Dutchman's first intro)

The other two were so much better.

zach2011-05-11 18:05:04
the Flying Dutchman's first intro is a part of The Kraken

Micah2011-05-11 18:22:06
Not the whole intro. It's still missing a bunch of music from that scene. The expanded score has it, but it never made the album.

Epics2011-05-11 18:24:38
Where can we get the complete score for "Dead Man's Chest"? no SFX.

Epics2011-05-11 18:26:09
The Expanded score I found for POTC2 has like 24 tracks. Correct?

Also, Dead Man's Chest is much better than On Stanger Tides. On Stranger Tides is WEAK!

Micah2011-05-11 18:34:05
Yeah, that's the one. The beginning of the song has a different arrangement than The Kraken (slower, choral background...). It's awesome.

I only think the actual soundtrack was weak. The movie score as a whole was brilliant.

Epics2011-05-11 18:36:55
Awesome. Just downloaded the expanded scores. Love the 1st 3 scores!

Hey, say Penelope Cruz wasn't in the movie for POTC4, would there be these spanish style tracks be existent?

zach2011-05-11 18:37:49
is there any expanded scores out there that don't have SFX?

Micah2011-05-11 19:33:25
The DMC expanded score has no SFX. It's not 100% complete, but it's a great listen.

Anonymous reply Replies: 15 || 2011-05-11 16:46:53
-- EDITED -- hooray got it early, still gonna buy it on iTunes tough but am glad I can listen to it already, is just normal no remix:)

pepe2011-05-11 16:53:59
link dead!

Anonymous2011-05-11 17:02:36
after potcost there is a space delete and it works, good luck

Epics2011-05-11 17:07:56
That's a fake.

The score is overall disappointing, especially when compared to "Dead Man's Chest" - the best PotC score!

only 11 orchestral tracks, most of which are short, really no new theme-age. Not even worth buying tbh. Need the complete score!

Anonymous2011-05-11 17:20:12
not a fake is real deal downloaded it my self and listining to it right now

Anonymous2011-05-11 17:20:47
wished it was fake, cause it is disappointing in many ways

Epics2011-05-11 17:25:00
the size of the file explains it all. Fake link.

edmonson2011-05-11 17:27:39
Real soundtrack.
The Palm Three Scape, a very good track. The podium of all Pirates soundtracks : 3,4,2,1 .

Epics2011-05-11 17:29:13
I know the OST is short, but 54742 KB? No.

edmonson2011-05-11 17:30:15
The size are small because only Hans Zimmer's tracks.

Epics2011-05-11 17:31:41
No. Even for just that 54742 KB, is way too small.

edmonson2011-05-11 17:32:27
Hah, ok. It's a fake. No more jockes.

edmonson2011-05-11 17:36:52
Track ''Angry and Dead Again'' similar to KNIGHT AND DAY Soundtrack (track ''Hostage''). Only remember me?&#191;

zach2011-05-11 18:03:41
i found a link that is about 102MB... bit rate is 160kbps... i am still buying this soundtrack May 17th... i own them all. :)

Epics2011-05-11 18:06:16
that's where I got mine :) Still, VERY disappointing.

zach2011-05-11 18:09:29
havent listened yet... still downloading... i just dont know about Rodrigo y Gabriela.. i like all Hans Zimmer... or Klaus Badelt for POTC

Michael reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-11 17:15:18
Yes! Wow, thanks...this sounds so great! Buying the cd right now! (not that I would not have otherwise =) )

Bastian Nanchen reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-11 16:50:42
For waiting Disney give us the soundtrack in streaming:
http: // home. /musique/artistes/?artist=disney&album=potc4

D A R T H reply Replies: 7 || 2011-05-11 15:46:51
I listened to the whole album and, I am sad ! too many Spanish guitar, too many remixes, too many old themes and very little real novelty (almost recycling) I'm so sad...


Luc2011-05-11 15:49:08
...are you killing me?? And you don't say where you listened it??

D A R T H2011-05-11 16:11:45
@ luc (in french ?) ici on a pas le droit de donner de liens, sinon le score est littéralement parasité par la guitare flamenco, un peu ça va, mais l&#224; on se croirai dans un film d'Almodovar ^_^, je trouve surtout que les éléments o&#249; la guitare est majoritaire ne s'int&#232;grent pas du tout avec le reste, au bout d'un moment ça devient tr&#232;s énervant &#224; écouter... on a limite envie de passer au morceau suivant... donc je suis super triste du résultat...

Je pense qu'en voulant faire original Zimmer est tombé &#224; coté de la plaque, c'est dommage

D A R T H2011-05-11 16:12:45
coté remixes, comme d'habitude c'est inécoutable...

D A R T H2011-05-11 16:16:32
i hope the complete score is beter... :-|

Bastian Nanchen2011-05-11 16:17:43
Mais ou as tu eu la BO ???

Jackson 52011-05-11 16:23:16
Still waiting for Facebook but Im starting to think its a ruse. I dont think that website had it right...They probably meant just PRE-ORDER and listen to one track.

Meh. Not hearing good things about this album anyway...They say its a hack job.

D A R T H2011-05-11 16:27:47
pitié il ne faut pas déposer de lien ici...

Marc reply Replies: 3 || 2011-05-11 13:16:25
Aaaand!!! As I said... The full soundtrack is not aviable on Facebook...!! :)

Anonymous2011-05-11 13:27:21
Well what did you expect :l)
The internet is full of people in need of massive attention. So they claim they have or will have it.

Which makes me wonder what will leak first. The soundtrack of the new lady gaga album. lol

Lucía2011-05-11 14:59:18
Yes!! Haha. I think it was only to take our attention

Micah2011-05-11 16:01:46
We still have the rest of the day. ;)

Micah reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-11 01:46:57
The soundtrack IS streaming tomorrow.

It's confirmed HERE: http ://blogs.kcrw .com/musicnews/2011/05/kcrw-exclusive-rodrigo-y-gabriela-–-“ the-pirate-that-should-not-be”/

You can also hear an advance stream of The Pirate That Should Not Be (which Rodrigo y Gabriela are performing on Leno this Friday)

Marc reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-11 00:59:42
Soundtrack n facebook? Its not true!!

Katewoman reply Replies: 7 || 2011-05-10 22:42:41
My facebook allows me to listen it now!

Jackson 52011-05-10 22:47:42
umm any link to the Facebook site would be appreciated...I cant locate it.

Anonymous2011-05-10 22:51:00
Please give link

Marco Antonio2011-05-10 22:58:40
LInk...pleaseeeeee =D

Marco Antonio2011-05-10 23:20:05
There is just Angelica's Song !! =(

Micah2011-05-10 23:35:37
The rest is going to be up tomorrow. I don't know how Katewoman can hear it.

An2011-05-10 23:37:56
How do you know that the rest will be tomorrow?

Evangeline2011-05-11 00:36:11
I'm so anticipating this album! May 17th...can it come any slower? &#57430;


Katewoman reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-10 22:50:50
Just search "Pirates caribbean official facebook" on google.
In that web, select the "Soundtrack" section on the left margin

Micah reply Replies: 2 || 2011-05-10 21:41:39
The entire album is streaming tomorrow on the official Pirates Facebook page.

Marco Antonio2011-05-10 22:16:24
Thabk You ;) tomorrow you can send the link ??

Anonymous2011-05-10 22:50:20
Can you say link please

Mary reply Replies: 8 || 2011-05-10 15:34:26
Oh! I've just listen the whole soundtrack and it's so epic!!!

Anonymous2011-05-10 15:47:09

zach2011-05-10 19:08:11

PJ22011-05-10 19:49:57
Don't feed the troll...

Evangeline2011-05-10 19:54:22
Where did you listen to the entire soundtrack? Is it out in your country already?


Boochie2011-05-10 20:17:28
Cant u just wait for it? Itll be here next Tuesday...9.99 on're done. trust me - you heard most the stuff on the samples already posted...

Bastian Nanchen2011-05-10 20:38:25
The soundtrack release the 13 or the 16 ???

Anonymous2011-05-10 21:20:17
the pirate that should not be is amazing

Evangeline2011-05-10 22:21:02
Yes, I'm purchasing the entire album next Tuesday, May 17th. I can't wait! My mother is buying the tickets this Friday and we're also getting the LEGO game for the Wii! Just 10 more days!


Cars reply Replies: 6 || 2011-05-09 21:28:37
Listen here to the track 10, "On Stranger Tides"

htt p: //w w ix-opportunity

Micah2011-05-09 22:23:08

Ds2011-05-09 22:57:56

Anonymous2011-05-09 23:01:17
Can you record and post on youtube cant play it on iphone and my laptop is broken

Anonymous2011-05-09 23:04:37
My god, this soundtrack is gonna be such a disappointment after At Words End. This sounds like "buget music"...

Ds2011-05-09 23:35:58
Of course this isn't as beautiful and magic as At World's End, but it's still the good HZ powerful style, with choir like "Angels and Demons".

Bondo2011-05-10 09:18:10
FYI various sites online are crediting this track to Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli and Eric Whitacre

pierre reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-10 07:58:36
Wow, cool! There was a mature video update on the media site - anyone noticed this!?

pooka reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-10 03:16:56
why yall griping about the cd? it so short on the zimmer side u can blink and miss it. plus it all sounds like demo for pirates 2 or 3....

John F reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-10 01:05:23
Wonder why there are still 2 different soundtracks listed on amazon?

Micah reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-09 16:04:01
Here's a new interview with Hans about the On Stranger Tides score.

http :// www. youtube. com/watch?v=fk8Z6BPUhP4

Ed reply Replies: 17 || 2011-05-06 14:37:51
You know... XD when you need it, internet goes slowly... "Conecting people"... haha but he says that it's the full soundtrack! I can't wait more!

Marco Antonio2011-05-06 14:40:20
hahaha but you have there is a link to the soundtrack?

Ed2011-05-06 14:56:38
A friend is going to give me the link ;)

Anonymous2011-05-06 15:02:07
yay :)

Marco Antonio2011-05-06 15:03:47
Fantastic,Wonderful ... Thanks again! =D

Amy092011-05-06 16:54:21
Please!!! GIve uf that link!!! :D

Barbosa2011-05-06 17:24:21
I also want that link, please

Antas, Webmaster2011-05-06 18:27:30
Please, don't post it here. Thanks

falcor962011-05-06 19:26:32
Crapola...looks like I missed the party....

Marco Antonio2011-05-06 19:30:54
Ed you have not put more the link? : (

Ed2011-05-06 19:44:48
Now I have the link but I dont know where to upload it

Marco Antonio2011-05-06 19:59:32
And then ... you have to load it by copying and pasting the address to comment on which you write. it's easy! ;)

Ds2011-05-08 18:22:56
Ruining Zimmer's work??
Zimmer's work = 2hour of music for Disney, and he has already been paid for this.
This album is a compilation made by Disney, Zimmer probably just don't know anything about it!

Jasper2011-05-08 18:57:06
Very true. A composer's job is to score a movie, not to make an album. The selection is often made by the studio, not the composer.

edmonson2011-05-09 01:57:28
-- EDITED --

edmonson2011-05-09 02:02:25
-- EDITED --

Anonymous2011-05-09 08:57:03
Well I think it is kinda weird.

While everyone is bitching about the remixes and short score lenght it has been a while since there was such an anticipation of a score here before release.

That way we might give people at RCP and Disney the impression that the remixes improve the intrest in the album...

Micah2011-05-09 15:43:40
It's Pirates of the Caribbean. People are going to be excited, remixes or no remixes.

Mary reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-09 13:41:26
people in twitter is talking about this album... God! Where can we listen it? :(

Carambaru reply Replies: 8 || 2011-05-07 01:40:06
You guys don't have any respect at all ? You're here on the official HZ fansite, trying to download his soundtrack for free ?! Are you kidding me ?!

Moderators, please do your job, stop these guys ruining HZ work !

Micah2011-05-07 01:44:57
Agreed. Y'all should wait until it actually releases. :/

michael:·s2011-05-07 02:04:26
The cd =$$$$$$$$$$$
Two dollars for cd is fair. Besides if the men is Hans Zimmer...

Anonymous2011-05-07 08:26:15
you´re right

Hybrid Soldier2011-05-07 08:54:30
I know Carambaru, but you just can't prevent people from being dumb...

Antas, Webmaster2011-05-07 09:42:53
Indeed Carambaru

I just have removed some posts.
I am not against speaking about bootlegs but this is not the right place to post email adress or links.

Marco Antonio2011-05-07 15:38:33
Carambaru, we are just having a preview because we do is not to wait any longer. That's why we are asking for this favor to the guys who have the link ... Savvy ??

Marco Antonio2011-05-07 15:39:58
why do not you put the thumbnail on youtube or a similar site ??

Micah2011-05-07 19:09:07
It's called patience. I'm perfectly fine waiting another week to hear it.

Fracas reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-07 16:33:51
I still dont see what the fuss is about. You all pretty much know how much (or little rather) of the score you are getting....At best you could probably spend 5 bucks on half this album on Itunes instead of 10 or 15 (by taking out the remixes)

so i dont see the big deal here...Might as well wait for it and toss the pennies its worth to the man - we all got gyped anyway! Hopefully enough people will noy buy the remixes and send them a message - NO MORE REMIXES/FILLER ON SCORE ALBUMS!!!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-06 19:51:14
Hey Ed, just post the link here quick and then I'll upload it immediatly to the regular forums on the net where everybody should be able to find it :)

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