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Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.
Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.
The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.I thought Hans was collaborating with Faltermayer For Top Gun 2From both ASCAP and GEMACan these be accessed anywhere?
The dream is collapsing... :oHoly f*ck, just listened to "Too Many Notes..." and its containing pirates theme itself from Pirates of the caribbean'No Good About Goodbye' was never the intended song for QOS. It was composed after the film was completed using thematic material from the film for Shirley Bassey to perform on her, David Arnold produced album, 'The Performance'Those files are just sitting there.<br><br>Undownloadable.<br><br>Taunting me.@Ds<br>Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br><br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br><br>I already discussed 300 and Pacific Rim.  Clearly deep scripts aren't what I'm aiming for here when I talk about good blockbusters.<br><br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br><br>300's a great example of this, though unfortunately a lot of Snyder's other work isn't, and Bay is close behind.  Their films get bogged with way too much obnoxious bullshit to make the odd sequence worth it.<br><br>The Scorponok sequence from TF1, the warehouse fight from BvS, that's real standout stuff.  Stuff that loses a lot of its luster when surrounded by two-and-a-half, or god forbid THREE, hours of self-serious pretense, lazy humor, and/or annoying characters.<br><br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br><br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole, and need to learn to consolidate their efforts into something that brings out their best and subdues their worst.  Snyder in particular has SERIOUSLY misjudged where his talent is lately.
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Pirates Of The Caribbean - On Stranger Tides
Label: Walt Disney Records
Length: 77'36 (Score: 45'01)
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  1. Guilty Of Being Innocent Of Being Jack Sparrow (1:42)
    Hans Zimmer, Matthew Margeson
  2. Angelica (4:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Eduardo Cruz feat. Rodrigo Y Gabriela
  3. Mutiny (2:48) *
    Hans Zimmer, Matthew Margeson, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  4. The Pirate That Should Not Be (3:55)
    Rodrigo Y Gabriela, Hans Zimmer
  5. Mermaids (8:05)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Eric Whitacre
  6. South Of Heaven's Chanting Mermaids (5:48)
    Rodrigo Y Gabriela, Hans Zimmer
  7. Palm Tree Escape (3:06)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli feat. Rodrigo Y Gabriela
  8. Blackbeard (5:05) *
    Hans Zimmer, Matthew Margeson, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  9. Angry And Dead Again (5:33)
    Rodrigo Y Gabriela, Hans Zimmer
  10. On Stranger Tides (2:44)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Eric Whitacre
  11. End Credits (1:59)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  12. Guilty Of Being Innocent Of Being Jack Sparrow Remixed - DJ Earworm (2:45)
  13. Angelica (Grant Us Peace) Remixed - Ki:Theory (3:08)
  14. The Pirate That Should Not Be Remixed - Photek (6:26)
  15. Blackbeard Remixed - Super Smash Bros & Thieves (5:26)
  16. South Of Heaven's Chanting Mermaids Remixed - Paper Diamond (3:32)
  17. Palm Tree Escape Remixed - Adam Freeland (5:28)
  18. Angry And Dead Again Remixed - Static Avenger (5:49)
* Contains themes from POTC 1 written by Klaus Badelt
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Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-28 09:59:38
Half an hour of remixes, Hans you're the man !

Hale reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-28 09:18:22
I've heard extracts from Amazon and it's very sad...
Too much tracks are remixes or tracks by "Gabriela and Rodrigo"...
I hate Zimmer when I see what he does of his music!! It's condamned to be shelve OR in the ears of some lucky guys who has contact with Remote Control.. ^^

By the listening of the extracts, only track 1 and track 11 are very interesting. The reprise of the "Pirates" theme in "End Credits" is so fresh! I've never imagine this piece of music like this!

Kusi81 reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-28 08:50:16
After listening to those clips: This is one of the oddest album presentation I've ever heard... :( Those remixes are destroying the whole album..... I'd like to have more of the original soundtrack not remixes...

4loco reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-28 07:56:05
Well...Samples are up at the Amazon.com German website. I have to say I feel cheated. Seriously cheated. Zimmer's collaborations are starting to turn into a cheap way for him to get out of writing the music for the film. Reason I say this is because most of the tracks he's directly involved in are not only blatant rehashes of previous works, but they are on the lower productions scale than previously recorded. Moreover, his pieces on this cd are roughly 2 minutes apiece, while he hands the reigns over to Rodrigo and Gabriel to make 5 minute plain guitar suites, which I don't really care for all that much.

As I feared, this is a totally different sounding Pirates movie, musicwise...it actually reminds me of his sparse work in Rango, which is odd, because that work reminds me of Broken Arrow. Honestly I would rather have had rehashed score than the remixed tracks which I dont find digestible at all...Such a shame. Now we all have to wait for a hopeful DVD bootleg..."UGH" is the best I can muster right now.


Dammit..

Michael reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-28 06:40:04
"Guilty of being innocent of being Jack Sparrow" it's kind of that mixed up scentence Jack could say, haha.

And I like the new order. Mutiny shoudln't have been track 10 since that scene takes place waaaaay earlier in the film.

Micah Garnett reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-28 06:29:12
The Amazon track listing IS correct. It's the official one posted by Walt Disney.

Now we get 7 remixes. :P

Morpheus reply Replies: 2 || 2011-04-28 01:54:32
http://www.amazon.com/Pirates-Caribbean-Stranger-Hans-Zimmer /dp/B004V6MWE6/ref=pd_sim_sbs_m_1

why Amazon's data is 18 tracks?


Micah2011-04-28 04:05:06
Guilty of Being Innocent of Being Jack Sparrow

That's not right. :/


Micah Garnett2011-04-28 06:26:38
Hm, the track order is switched, too.

On another note, the unreleased clip does feature trumpets, and they sound pretty darn good at that.

Cobb reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-28 04:17:59
Actually, Guilty of Being Innocent of Being Jack Sparrow sounds more correct then guilty of "Not" being...

Interview with Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-25 20:21:42
kcrw .com/music/programs/mb/mb110209hans_zimmer


Phil B reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-21 00:00:00
@ everyone

lets wait and see...

Tim reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-21 00:00:00
my speech! :)

Ravi Krishna reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-21 00:00:00
So, I guess it'll be 40 minutes of score and 20 minutes of those charming remixes, once again. Or even worse. Exquisite. Thanks but no thanks, Disney Records. :-/

Brent R reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-21 00:00:00
Finally, there's a tracklist! :)

1. Guilty of Not Being Jack Sparrow
2. Angelica
3. The Pirate That Should Not Be
4. On Stranger Tides
5. Palm Tree Escape
6. Angry and Dead Again
7. Blackbeard
8. Mermaids
9. South of Heaven’s Chanting Mermaids
10. Mutiny
11. End Credits
12. The Pirate That Should Not Be (Remix) [Photek]
13. Angry and Dead Again (Remix) [Static Avenger]
14. Palm Tree Escape (Remix) [Ki:Theory]
15. Angelica (Remix) [Adam Freeland]

Michael reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
Sounds great, though, I wished there were more tracks. Come on, 11? I know it's just as much as Dead Man's Chets (minus the awfull remix listed as 12). And that's what's dissapointing here too, 4 remixes to fill the cd. Anyway, I hope we soon get previews!

I was rooting for a 13-15 track cd (without remixes).

Jones reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
fair enough :p

franco reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
@tron - by the nature of the title, it seems so....We know Jack goes to London in chains, presumably on trial....You can guess where it goes from there....

TRON reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
hey if its got that supposed "london" cue like stated below, then I'm definitely good with it! :D

Sean reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
@Hybrid Soldier
What's so bad about the Remixes ?

Joshua reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
Disney just updated there website for Stranger Tides. Theres a cue thats playing that sounds like a reworked "Hes a Pirate" intro with a little electric guitar with alittle of "What shall we die for" thrown in. Its pretty cool! http://disney.go.com/pirates/index.html#/characters/

TRON reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
can't wait! :D

franco reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
I agree with you Jones...it sounds implausible, but whatever..I'll take it for now....Right now im just hoping Zimmer pulls an Itunes exclusive extra tracks release like he did with Inception (pretty F'n please!)

franco reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
Jones.....

JONES!

You know Im all for a healthy dose of skepticism....But cmon, man...Look at the titles, look at the credits for each title. Are you gonna discredit filmmusic reporter's claim about Linkin Park's involvement and song in the new Transformer's movie? Cmon....Just take it for what it is and wait til it shows up on AMAZON to be 100% convinced ok?

it looks legit to me...and Im a pretty smart guy...I mean research the remixes if you want to!

Jones reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
well as long as that's how it turns out, I'm not complaining! :p
now all we need are the track lengths haha

Franco reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
. Guilty of Not Being Jack Sparrow (Hans Zimmer)
2. Angelica Featuring Rodrigo y Gabriela (Hans Zimmer, Eduardo Cruz, Rodrigo Sanchez and Gabriela Quintero)
3. The Pirate That Should Not Be (Rodrigo Sanchez, Gabriela Quintero and Hans Zimmer)
4. On Stranger Tides (Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli and Eric Whitacre)
5. Palm Tree Escape Featuring Rodrigo y Gabriela (Hans Zimmer)
6. Angry and Dead Again (Rodrigo Sanchez, Gabriela Quintero and Hans Zimmer)
7. Blackbeard (Hans Zimmer)
8. Mermaids (Hans Zimmer and Eric Whitacre)
9. South of Heaven’s Chanting Mermaids (Rodrigo Sanchez, Gabriela Quintero and Hans Zimmer)
10. Mutiny (Hans Zimmer)
11. End Credits (Hans Zimmer)
12. The Pirate That Should Not Be Remixed by Photek (Rodrigo Sanchez, Gabriela Quintero and Hans Zimmer)
13. Angry and Dead Again Remixed by Static Avenger (Rodrigo Sanchez, Gabriela Quintero and Hans Zimmer)
14. Palm Tree Escape Remixed by Adam Freeland (Hans Zimmer)
15. Angelica Ki:Theory’s Grant Us Peace Remix (Hans Zimmer, Eduardo Cruz, Rodrigo Sanchez and Gabriela Quintero)

Source is Filmmusicreporter.com

ya HAPPY NOW? lol jeez

Franco reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
My 2 cents...Im getting tired of these POTC albums padding out the rest of the CD with REMIXES..No offense, but give us more score, less Disney remix....oh well...

Jones reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
@franco
theres a good chance that tracklisting is fake... this is coming from the site claiming zimmer saw to score superman, after all :p

TRON reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
@hybrid any thoughts? VVV

Jack reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
I kinda hope there's more to it then that... I mean names don't matter so much but if the fountain of youth fight scene and jacks london escape cues are not featured in the score, I might cry :'(

franco reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
U actually think it's FAKE? Sounds kind of PAPER THIN to me...Unless proven otherwise, this is it, friends.... Im good with it, as long as the Zimmer tracks aren't friggin 2 minutes each in length...:(

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