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Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.
Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.
The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.I thought Hans was collaborating with Faltermayer For Top Gun 2From both ASCAP and GEMACan these be accessed anywhere?
The dream is collapsing... :oHoly f*ck, just listened to "Too Many Notes..." and its containing pirates theme itself from Pirates of the caribbean'No Good About Goodbye' was never the intended song for QOS. It was composed after the film was completed using thematic material from the film for Shirley Bassey to perform on her, David Arnold produced album, 'The Performance'Those files are just sitting there.<br><br>Undownloadable.<br><br>Taunting me.@Ds<br>Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br><br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br><br>I already discussed 300 and Pacific Rim.  Clearly deep scripts aren't what I'm aiming for here when I talk about good blockbusters.<br><br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br><br>300's a great example of this, though unfortunately a lot of Snyder's other work isn't, and Bay is close behind.  Their films get bogged with way too much obnoxious bullshit to make the odd sequence worth it.<br><br>The Scorponok sequence from TF1, the warehouse fight from BvS, that's real standout stuff.  Stuff that loses a lot of its luster when surrounded by two-and-a-half, or god forbid THREE, hours of self-serious pretense, lazy humor, and/or annoying characters.<br><br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br><br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole, and need to learn to consolidate their efforts into something that brings out their best and subdues their worst.  Snyder in particular has SERIOUSLY misjudged where his talent is lately.

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Sad Fan reply Replies: 4 || 2012-01-13 16:39:11
A soundtrack to me is one which included all of the music, no matter how short the songs are, from the movie.

And what it looks like to me is that these Kung Fu Panda soundtrack released only include Zimmer's compositions. And not Powell's or Balfe's, etc. it also seems like they've just left out the fight scene music. There must be a reasoning behind this, so what is it?

My Zimmer soundtracks are the only incomplete ones, so maybe it has something to do with him?

And no, I don't have any Pirates soundtracks.

Mycroft2012-01-13 16:52:24
We didn't ask what your definition of a soundtrack was (which, btw, is somewhat inaccurate)--we asked what your definition of "complete" was. we know what some of your incomplete soundtracks are from RCP (big surprise). What are some of your 122 scores that are actually complete?

And you don't have to keep making new topics for your posts. You can just as easily post below your Final Edit same as the rest of us are doing, and it keeps the conversation flowing better and more organized.

Sad Fan2012-01-13 17:14:47
The fact is that there should not be a "complete" soundtrack, but only a soundtrack that is complete.

In a soundtrack, I like to be able to listen to the whole thing, start to finish, and while I'm doing it, watch the movie in my head, because I know what goes on during that music that is playing, which means the soundtrack has to have every piece of music from the movie. But now, I cannot, because of what has happened here (I think I've already said this).

An example of a soundtrack which I can do this with, is the Princess Mononoke soundtrack, composed by Mamoru Fujisawa (Joe Hisaishi).

It is complete in the sense that I can listen to it, start to finish, without any problems of missing music.

cheesy2012-01-14 03:38:17
Honestly, I don't think I've ever come across an official soundtrack release containing literally every second of music used in its film counterpart. This simply does not happen today (with exceptions, obviously, but I'm generalizing), especially with mainstream films. In fact, most soundtracks that I've heard usually contain slightly to extremely altered "album versions" of cues used in the film, to make for a better and more comprehensive listening experience.

That's what my definition of "official soundtrack" has always been - an execution and presentation of musical ideas from its film counterpart. Whether or not this entails the simple transference film masters or a separately-executed effort of suites or album versions usually depends, but it does not by any means mean that every second of film music will be included.

These things are made to market score material to the public. We have to face the fact that people who buy a soundtrack and actually listen to it comprehensively, let alone in-depth enough to tell exactly what music is missing, is an extremely limited market. Most people I know that own the POTC scores have no idea of (let alone interest in) the politics behind them. Official soundtracks from studio labels aren't tailored for avid fans like us, they're put together for the general mainstream who would come home from a film and plop themselves on iTunes to put its name in the search bar.

Unfortunately - and I'm sure I'm not the first to say this here - this is just not an ideal world for an avid film score fan to live in.

Sad Fan2012-01-14 05:21:43
When I think of a soundtrack, I envision it as having all of the actual songs from the film, not including small 5 second cues, etc.

This soundtrack would be perfect, but unfortunately, it's missing 2 unforgettable pieces. Even if it doesn't have exactly ever song frm the movie, these 2 missing pieces are what would have made it, in my opinion, a "Complete Soundtrack" (They are the Musician's Village Fight Scene and Shen/Master's Council fight Scene)

I don't know why they had to skip out on 2 important pieces of music.

I guess we'll never know.

The Kung Fu Panda 1 soundtrack is what bothers me though, because it's missing a lot of memorable songs, such as he part where Tigress jumps off the roof, (Amazing Percussion), as well as the first Furious Five fight scene with shifu and his Flute.

It's just these larger, longer, more notable songs and connecting songs that make the soundtrack incomplete. (Again, they skimped on some important songs, and why? who knows.)

I hope someone sheds some light on this soon....

Sad Fan (Final Edit) reply Replies: 7 || 2012-01-13 04:11:01
I would have directed this message elsewhere but unfortunately there is nowhere else to direct it to, so now you get it, whoever may be reading this.

Dear Hans Zimmer/John Powell/RCP/ DreamWorks Animation SKG Inc....
It has come to my attention that certain movie soundtracks have been released that do not contain the full soundtrack of the movie.
What I mean is, soundtracks of DreamWorks Animation movies have been released that do not contain all of the songs from the movie itself, but only 60 minutes or so of random songs from it.

I would like to direct your attention to one DWA movie series in particular...

Kung Fu Panda.

Yes, you heard me right. This movie's soundtrack (scored by Hans Zimmer and John Powell) was released with more than half of the music from the movie missing. Now normally the next step would be an "extended" release of the soundtrack, I suppose, in order to gain more profit, but in this case, it's been almost 4 years, and no "extended" soundtrack has been released for Kung Fu Panda, leaving all the fans of the franchise in the shadowy wake of poor marketing schemes. (and when I say extended, I mean a soundtrack that has been extended from it's predecessor to include more, if not all, of the songs from the movie, whereas the previous version had, say, the main songs from the movie, but not all).

This matter also applies to the Kung Fu Panda 2 soundtrack, as well as the How To Train Your Dragon Soundtrack (However, I've heard there WILL be an extended soundtrack for HTTYD, but who knows).

What I propose is that complete soundtracks for both Kung Fu Panda 1 and 2 be released, or at least the missing tracks be released as High-Quality downloads, free of charge.

One more thing I've noticed is that the (Official) Kung Fu Panda WEBSITE includes ALL of the missing tracks, available to listen to (in low quality), but not download.

So why is it that such problems seem to arise from something that should just be so simple?
If Hans Zimmer/John Powell/RCP/DreamWorks respect their fans, then full Kung Fu Panda, 1 and 2, soundtracks should be released.

Mitchell Norris

Richard Kleiner2012-01-13 05:12:17
You're adressing this to the wrong crowd. I learned recently the whole reason why certain soundtracks get from 30 to 45 min and others up to 70+.

It's an issue with the musicians that play the music, or more specifically, their representatives. They have different fees that they charge in order for their work to be published and heard elsewhere.
For their playing heard in the film, the fee is already quite intimidating, add to that the CD recording, which is another fee for re-use, and it depends on how many mins. of music are featured.

Also, the fees are different, with European musician fees usually cheaper, thus, more likely to add as much music as possible.

That's why some CD's have 30 min. summaries and others are full with almost 80 min. of most of the music from the film.

Master of Fate2012-01-13 05:13:57
Yeah, good luck with that. This is a fan site, not a place run by Remote Control Productions. Nobody of importance is ever going to read this and your "proposal" will go unheard forever.

By the way, you're also not supposed to leave your email address out in the open. (The mods will probably be by later to either censor your email or delete all the posts you've made thus far.)

And I'll say this just once more for emphasis: this is a fan site. If you actually cause a revolution in the way that the entirety of the music industry works--or at least that branch dominated by RCP--then bravo to you sir!...Alas, that is about as likely as Friday the 13th and Halloween falling on the same day.

Sad Fan2012-01-13 05:14:37
I still think that if they're going to release a soundtrack, it should be complete. I've never come across a soundtrack that was not complete before Kung Fu Panda, HTTYD, and so on. It's only these DreamWorks films that were scored by Hans Zimmer/John Powell that seem to have problems.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Snapper2012-01-13 07:24:45
Sad Fan: "I've never come across a soundtrack that was not complete before Kung Fu Panda, HTTYD, and so on."

Are you kidding me? 95% of soundtrack releases are incomplete.

Sad Fan2012-01-13 07:43:02
None of the Soundtracks I have are incomplete. I have 122. Movie and Video Game. They all include all the music from their respective titles. (except for KFP, of course.)

KFP 1/2 are the only soundtracks I have that are incomplete.

Edmund Meinerts2012-01-13 09:21:24
I find that extremely hard to believe, Sad Fan. 122 scores and all of them just so happen to include EVERY SECOND of their scores? Don't you have a Pirates of the Caribbean CD at all? Because God knows those are far from complete. You must have been incredibly lucky so far in your purchases. Or else you only buy lots of video game scores (and the LotR Complete Recordings). Or scores from really short movies or something. I'd love for you to name some of those scores you have that are allegedly complete.

And your choice of scores to get upset about is really strange...For example, I actually have the How to Train Your Dragon complete score (the Academy promo). You want to know how much more music is on there? Nine. Nine stinking extra minutes than the commercial album. A lot of them are really short cues that I can see why they left off the album, because it would have thrown off the flow of the score. Am I glad to have it? Sure. Would I have torn my hair out if I hadn't got it? Hardly, because all the good stuff was already on the commercial album. And I expect that's the way with the Kung Fu Panda scores.

I remember being just as upset as you way back in 2007 when Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End came out, I bought the CD (my first ever score) and realized the music from the parachute escape wasn't on there, neither was the complete end credits suite or any number of other moments that had stood out to me in the film. But I soon realized that that's just not how score releases work, unfortunately. It's a shame, but there's nothing to be done about it (definitely not by complaining at a fan site :p ). Movies are usually 90+ minutes long and only 80 minutes fit on a do the math. Man, I wonder what you'd have been like in the 90s when every score that ever came out was half an hour long.

Still, I feel for ya, man. It sucks to hear good music in a movie and realize it's not released. But it's just one of those things that score fans have to get used to.

Mycroft2012-01-13 15:54:29
Yes, I too, would like to know what at least a couple of the scores are in your collection, Sad Fan. Like Edmund, I can't believe that you have 122 scores and nearly 100% of them are absolutely complete. I don't have much more than you, maybe around 160 or so scores in my collection, and I can consider only between 10% and 15% of them to be absolutely complete. I have a considerably longer list of *expanded* scores though.

Perhaps, you are just confused as to what the definition of "complete" is. As Edmund pointed out, complete would mean that the score(s) you own contains every second of music heard throughout the whole film.

@Edmund, aren't you glad we finally got that 2CD bootleg leak of At World's End that included the music from the parachute scene?

Sad fan reply Replies: 4 || 2012-01-12 03:23:52
I hate how it's missing track from the film.

Edmund Meinerts2012-01-12 20:04:54
In an ideal world, of course complete scores would be released on a day to day basis. It just doesn't happen. It's not marketable...and honestly, longer isn't necessarily always better. Just look at that unholy 3CD release for The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (the fact that every single track sounds exactly the same is a different discussion...)!

Plus, the movie is only about 90 minutes long. This is a 60 minute album. That means that at most, we're only missing 30 minutes of score (not counting moments in the movie when there isn't a score playing). I've been listening through some of the tracks at the KFP2 official website and honestly, the ones that weren't on the album aren't so spectacular that I feel like they HAD to be included.

Mycroft2012-01-12 20:39:06
Well good for you. That doesn't mean that Sad Fan also feels the same way, though. Some people just like to be completionists.

How about when they leave forgettable music on an original soundtrack when there could have been far better music to be placed in those 60 minutes? (hint, hint, I'm referring to SH2)

Sad Fan2012-01-13 00:57:38
Notable pieces that were left out of the soundtrack were the Musician's Village fight scene, as well as when Shen confronts the Master's Council, and kills thundering Rhino.

There are many other pieces missing that you probably wouldn't remember.

the least they could do is release an EXTENDED soundtracks that includes all the tracks.

Because really there were only a few points where the movie DIDN'T have music playing.

And just look at the Kung Fu Panda 1 soundtrack, more than half the music is MISSING. It's been almost 4 years and yet there has not been a single extended release or download of a FULL soundtrack.

Just look at Skyrim: 4 CDS! Who cares how many CDS or how long it is.

I personally like to be able to listen to a soundtrack, and in my mind watch the movie because I know what is happening during that song. But now, I cannot, so thanks for nothing RCP

Edmund Meinerts2012-01-13 04:25:19
@Mycroft well, yes, I like to be a completist too when it comes to scores. If a complete Kung Fu Panda 2 were to emerge I'd be the first to jump right on it. But it's just unrealistic to expect complete scores to be readily available. As far as score releases go, Kung Fu Panda 2 is actually a pretty good one...especially compares with SH2 or Rango (I'd also add On Stranger Tides but that whole score was crap so the album release doesn't matter in retrospect). It's just something soundtrack fans have to learn to accept...until the recording sessions leak, of course. ;)

I actually like Sad Fan's idea of allowing the complete score to be available for download once you've purchased the CD. Just add a code in the booklet that you can type in on the movie's website or something. It's a neat idea, and I doubt it would lose the record companies a cent...until people start coming up with hack codes, etc. etc. but that's as inevitable as filesharing.

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 7 || 2011-12-22 20:12:06
Every track that credits "Hans Zimmer" is a lie. This is a 95% John Powell score to my ears.

mogamikyoko2011-12-22 21:22:35
you should have your ears checked

aldan2011-12-23 05:18:22
Yes, this is absolutely a Powell score. They should write Powell name first in that soundtrack cover, because what i heard is scoring style of Mr. Powell( well some of the track has Mr. Balfe style though) . I didn't hear ( alot of ) Zimmer handprint in it.
Track 1: Obvious Powell villain theme,and complicated Powell-ly violin notes as the backsound
Track 2and 3 : Powell' slow arrengement
Track 4 : Mostly Mr. Balfe style
Track 5 : Theme from John Powell, style from John Powell
Track 6 and 7: Half Mr. Zimmer though
Track 8 and 9: Completely John Powell ( Rickshaw Chase is the most obvious, with that timpani, wavy violin notes, and typical Powelly French horn)
Track 10 : Half Zimmer, half Balfe
Track 11 : Completely Powell
Track 12 : Mostly Powell, and the rest is Balfe'
Track 13 and 14 : Mostly Powell
Track 15 : Mostly Powell( the battle theme), but i heard balfe's megamind style though
Track 16 : Completely Powell with his "How to train your dragon" konf of theme.

Powell rules!!!!

Ds2011-12-23 08:52:59
This is Powell style and orchestrations but with a certain (and truly pleasant) Zimmer touch. I find this score 200x better than the first!

Blu2011-12-23 17:03:52
Does it really matter? I am sure Hans and John have sorted it out between themselves as far as paycheck is concerned. On CD, it is the music that matters and it is awesome, regardless of who wrote it!

Mr. Fate2011-12-23 21:39:07
Possibly the only reason that Hans Zimmer's name is listed first on all the tracks is because the name of this website is Perhaps if there was a fan site like this dedicated to John Powell, his name would be listed first. But John Powell works for (with?) Hans Zimmer, so....yeah.

Mr. Charles2011-12-23 23:26:24
Guys, perhaps this is a dispute that Hybrid Soldier can settle?
Hybrid, you must know - can you help us out?

Bondo2011-12-23 23:52:22
Pretty sure we've been over this before but...

If it is a "Hans Zimmer & John Powell" score, that means they had a hand in every single piece of music in the film. However they often delegate certain scenes to certain composers. For instance, track 15 "Zen Ball Master;" the theme(s) are by Zimmer and Powell but the track was written by Lorne Balfe. Hybrid knows this because some of these are provided on the composers' websites and credits are often listed on ASCAP.

Ds reply Replies: 0 || 2011-12-20 12:54:35
This is the best Zimmer score of 2011... and also the best Powell score of 2011! :)

Paul reply Replies: 2 || 2011-08-03 17:36:31
Can we have the credits please? :)

Bondo2011-10-03 14:32:19
Keep checking ASCAP

Bondo2011-10-23 06:04:48
Lorne Balfe posted four tracks on his official website:

1m04 Wu Sisters Escape
1m08 Wu Sisters Hideout
1m12 Bridge of Destiny
1m15 Wu Sisters & Masters Fight

Also I'm fairly certain that Balfe worked on "More Cannons!" and "Zen Ball Master"

Olivia reply Replies: 2 || 2011-06-03 01:45:35
Has Ilan Eshkeri written any addictional music?

There's a cue in "More Cannons!" that reminds me of "Septimus" from the movie "Stardust" composed by Eshkeri.

Just wanted to know that!

Anyway, this score is amazing. Better than the first one to be honest. There are moments you can clearly identify Hans Zimmer work and other where is pure John Powell - "Save Kung Fu" is filled with Powell's vibe.

I never had so much fun while listening to a score as much as I had with this one.

Olivia2011-06-05 22:00:38
Come on guys... I need to know it 'cause it's racking my brains.


Dawn2011-07-06 23:59:29
The fact that it sounds like "Septimus" from "Stardust" doesn't necessarily mean Eshkeri was part of the team... For me, it sounds more like they had "Septimus" used as temp track for the sequence !

EGG reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-06 23:32:43
"The end of "My Fist Hungers for Justice" sounds almost exactly like the end of "My Name is Lincoln" from Jablonsky"

?? :__: ??

Oneill5491 reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-03 08:34:04
The end of "My Fist Hungers for Justice" sounds almost exactly like the end of "My Name is Lincoln" from Jablonsky. I like it though.

Olivia reply Replies: 3 || 2011-06-16 02:56:18
Still waiting for a reply!!!

How come you guys, when it's to trash a score, are always ready to reply and when someone asks something you don't???!!!

Did Ilan Eshkeri wrote any additional music for this score, I ask again.

I would appreciate if you guys answered me!

Phil2011-06-16 10:02:36
would give you a reply, but don't know the answer sry...;)

Trent Easton Navarro2011-06-16 11:26:49
Eshkeri isn't credited anywhere so I highly doubt it

Edmund Meinerts2011-06-16 15:27:19
If Eshkeri isn't credited, he probably didn't write any music. With MV/RC, usually all the additional music composers are credited at least in the booklet (though they still aren't detailed enough about who exactly wrote what, unfortunately...).

Chill. Unless somebody is holding you at gunpoint to find out whether Ilan Eshkeri co-wrote "More Cannons", in which case I understand your impatience ;)

Ds reply Replies: 1 || 2011-06-10 21:42:43
Great soundtrack, Zimmer/Powell = perfect combination!

Favorite track: Rickshaw Chase

In "Fireworks Factory", the theme at 4'59" reminds me something.... somebody? :)

Olivia2011-06-13 18:07:22
My favourite track is "Save Kung Fu" because of the last bit. It's Powell's style and it reminds me of "HTTYD" which is a good thing.

Vahn Gharakhani reply Replies: 0 || 2011-06-12 04:32:19
The best score yet!!! Awsome, sighn my CD Hans!!!

Anonymous reply Replies: 17 || 2011-05-23 13:35:22
After the most horrendous physical score release of the decade call Pirates 4 I must say that this Zimmer-Powell effert is extremely good. Didn't except it to be that great.

Even better that John was there to ensure that Hans that score fans probably want more than 6 real score tracks and only one remix.

Result: Superb album!

Victor2011-05-26 08:21:45
you know, POTC 4 is one of the best scores i have ever heard, don't judge it if ur not a musician, if ur just a random guy with no musical background. Hans never messed up in his entire career, i think he deserves a little credit for his previous accomplishments.
Thank you

Anonymous2011-05-26 12:15:56
Very well said, Victor.

Ds2011-05-26 15:00:51
I play for years and I think POTC4 wasn't a great score. AWE & DMC were great, but the 4th score is a random mix of previous themes.

For example: The reprise of "i don't think now's the best time" is so sad... in AWE it was a beautiful and intense piece of music, here it became a 2O seconds action track, put at the end of an other track, without any connection.

For sure, Mermaids & Blackbeard themes are great. But nothing to compare to previous Pirates scores.

Ds2011-05-26 15:01:22
* i played music for years, sorry

victor2011-05-26 17:41:59
you know, its never easy to come up with such new great ideas to a fourth movie, i think Hans has to keep the old themes, he shouldnt give these old themes up, so yeah...i think nowadays its the hardest thing to come up with new ideas, cuz everything pretty much is done.

Trent Easton Navarro2011-05-26 18:02:03
@ Victor

"don't judge it if ur not a musician, if ur just a random guy with no musical background"

Now, that doesn't snobbish at all...

Please, with all your musical knowledge, educate us simple people why POTC4 is one of the best score ever?

victor2011-05-26 18:20:19
woo, we have a tough guy right here, simply because it is the best score ok?

Trent Easton Navarro2011-05-26 18:25:10

Well, you're the musician so you must be right then! How could have been so foolish to think it was crap... Silly me

victor2011-05-26 18:26:20
you seem to be a Hans hater guy

Anonymous2011-05-26 21:19:56
No I'm not. I love Hans Zimmer. In fact I have tons of scores of him. But Pirates 4 is utter crap.

If there was more score instead of remixes and collaborated tracks that are not in the movie, then it would be a bit better but Pirates 4 lacks seriously in the creativity department.

No love, passion or care has gone in Pirates 4 while in this score (this is the KungFu Panda 2 page after all) is has all the ingredients to be an awesome score.

Hale2011-05-26 23:06:52
POTC 4 isn't really by Hans Zimmer. It's a pure Remote Control production. Moreover, It's difficult to create new stuff because the movie isn't very inspired..(I think about the final which is very bad)

The first Pirates is the better of the 4. However, remember that score is already a copy-paste of the Old Media-Ventures style!
They can't change all the style of the music or create themes which are too distants with the music of the three-one movies!

I think Pirates need a new-bad guy like Davy Jones has been. Then, Zimmer&co could create new good themes.

But the score-CD is very crappy, that's a fact!! Rodrigo&Gabriela are out of game for a "Pirates" movie!

Ds2011-05-26 23:39:15
For me Pirates 3 was the best, thanks to the wonderful music that takes the movie to the sky :) scenes like "parlay" or "up is down" or Lord Cutler Beckett's death are so crazy!

Ds2011-05-26 23:39:23
For me Pirates 3 was the best, thanks to the wonderful music that takes the movie to the sky :) scenes like "parlay" or "up is down" or Lord Cutler Beckett's death are so crazy!

Jeason2011-05-26 23:43:29
Victor, man, if POTC 4 is one of the best score you've ever heard, you should really keep your patronizing comments for yourself, because you have no credibiliy whatsoever. Sorry man, I didn't really mean to be rude, but those kind of comments just annoy the crap out of me. There's a ton of better material in Hans's discocraphy alone...

Miles2011-05-27 03:02:05
Guys, can we end this discussion, please? If you want to talk about Pirates 4, go to that page. This is for Kung Fu Panda 2.

victor2011-05-27 09:33:06
hahahha, none taken! after all this is a discussion board, not a fight club!!!
the fact is my ears enjoy potc 4 specially the new mermaid theme, it gives me goosebumps, but ur free to like it or dislike it, i'm sorry for the bad beginning to our discussion, i may have come up a little rude, but live hans zimmer!!

Jeason2011-05-27 17:54:33
As we all do... As a matter of fact I really like that Mermaid cue myself, and I have to agree that the OP may have been a bit too harsh, but that's a fan's reaction I guess... Rest assured that I, and the rest of the fans, I'm sure, are always hoping for a good Zimmer score, and that it doesn't do us any pleasure to have to criticize some of them! Anyway I'm glad you like it, and I wish I could enjoy it like you do, but back to Kung Fu Panda 2 now :) (that one I like... a lot!!)

Hale reply Replies: 1 || 2011-05-26 22:59:36
Good score with great reprises of the main theme (Sacred Pool of Tears) specially in "Po Finds the Truth".

It will be interesting who has composed what? (Hybrid are you there?? :D )

Hybrid Soldier2011-05-27 12:55:14
Clearly too soon to get that info ! But of course, as soon as it's up, everybody will know ! :P

Naji reply Replies: 1 || 2011-05-25 02:12:45
its realy amazing score thanks for Mr Hans and Mr john , already i download it from th net great score if some peapole dont like poc 4 i think they ill like this score .

Naji2011-05-25 02:14:30
i feel th movie it ill be great also

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-22 14:12:26
Nice score! Stealth Mode beautiful!

John reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-21 20:41:59
This soundtrack is fantastic! I think it's even better than the first, and that says a lot.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-21 01:57:32
wow a 64 minutes release full of score.

thanks john for convincing hans to make this a decent release in those crap like pirates!

Pete reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-21 00:58:38
Samples are up at

And I THINK it's leaked downloading now

aldan reply Replies: 1 || 2011-05-18 13:15:12
Wow, it was not the sample that i've heard at KFP2 website, but it was the whole soundtrack and from that "sample", i can conclude that the soundtrack is good enough, but at some parts, it was boring. Not as great as Powell's score in HTTYD and Zimmer's score in Rango and both of those score has some traditional music instruments in it.
Also from that soundtrack i can hear and seperate whose track it was.
Powell's tracks: 1,5,7(obvious, 'cause has some powell style in it),9,12( also pretty obvious, and contain alot of theme that powell created for the first KFP),15( the arrangement and the trumpet part is so Powell, but at some part, it was so Megamind( lorne's part)),17,20( el dorado-ish),22.
Zimmer and Lorne's tracks: the rest( track 23,24 is so, i mean so Megamind( Titan and MM battle theme)).

Anonymous2011-05-19 08:37:26
you come across very arrogant. just sayin

Micah reply Replies: 4 || 2011-05-13 02:18:40
There are a few clips on

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Anthony M2011-05-17 07:42:14
Dreamworks Kung fu panda site just posted samples of the score it sounds great so far!

Richard2011-05-17 08:35:59
More than samples -- that's the soundtrack and more! Nice find.

edmonson2011-05-17 16:30:44
-- MODIFIED -- not good sound but the soundtrack is good.

D A R T H2011-05-18 15:42:38
it's me or the webradio version is more complete ?

Wawrzyniec reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-13 20:16:53
Can't wait.Hans Zimmer is my favourite composer.

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 2 || 2011-05-12 23:08:36
Let's all hope this soundtrack is more epic than that disaster-piece soundtrack Pirates 4.

Anonymous2011-05-12 23:20:56
I don't know. Hans might recycle some old themes. >_>

Andrew2011-05-13 01:00:49
Apparently it is. FilmTracks's editor has already reviewed it. He has rated it higher than its predecessor.

Pete reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-12 15:19:42
No Samples?

Hybrid, do you know if Hans did much on this or was it mostly Powell?

Wawrzyniec reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-03 13:50:14
Coming :D

Andrew reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-18 00:00:00
release date is postponed to 24th.

John reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-01 00:00:00
Thumbs up!

Ravi Krishna reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-01 00:00:00
So, that's two uber-cool scores coming out the same day (POTC 4, and now this). Cheerio! I can hardly wait. :-)

kakashi reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-01 00:00:00
hey mods i thought zimmer wasnt gonna do this, i thought this was johns solo project?

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