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Totally phoned in...I got nothing from this...Y'know, up until recently, I also thought Lorne was one of the least interesting RCP composer next to Junkie XL. Then I listened to Genius: Picasso (because of that one Balfe troll's recommendation interestingly enough), and now I see enormous potential in him. That is one of the most interesting television scores I've heard so far. The orchestrations and overall complexity is an enormous achievement for Lorne and shows that he can do much more than generic sample composition. <br><br>I'll probably skip this score because I have no interest in Mission Impossible, but I have a lot more interest in Balfe's career now thanks to his work on Genius: Picasso. If he continues on that level of composing, he may actually get some notoriety.Um.....guys, why are we acting like Kraemer doesn't have the skill to do a different sort of score? I'm fairly positive Jack Reacher doesn't sound anything like RN. Really, the reason he wasn't brought in was because, apparently, McQuarrie was pissed that he was overruled in how he wanted the film to sound, so be deliberately chose not to hire him this time. Purely a thing of spite. And a lot of the disappointment lies in those who normally don't pay attention to film music, which shows just how special that particular score was.<br><br>Really, I'm confident that had McQ had his way this time, and with Kraemer on board, he would've made something that did fit the new tone of the film. Composers should be able to challenge themselves to do something that is out of their comfort. Which is likely why a lot of Zimmer scores are the way they are, since he's allowed to differentiate every once and a while.<br><br>As is, with this logic, Cruise should not have hired McQ again if he wanted a different kind of movie for Fallout.Hot take: Cruise saying that Fallout is the best score in the franchise is the equivalent of Danny Elfman saying there is only one Batman theme. Just marketing tricks to get one more excited.<br><br>Me personally, the general M:I sound isn't something I tend to get excited for, though I definitely acknowledge it's objectively well done. With M:I-2 though, while it's technically dated and incredibly cheesy, I admire it for those reasons, and is incredibly fun for me. Not to mention that the Spanish guitar is a lovely touch, and Injection is proof that there is more to Zimmer than some might think.<br><br>Balfe as a composer, to me, seems like tbe sort of guy who's told to get synth that fit the film well enough, and call it a day. Sure, there's one or two scores that go above and beyond to actually be something of note, but otherwise he's among the least interesting of the RCP bunch. Feel free to feel however you want, but that's my two cents.<br><br>It's frustrating that you have to deal with some of the touchier fans Edmund, but I'll admit that I do get a laugh everytime it happens. I love music, but I don't feel the need to get overly defensive about. I would just enjoy it and leave it like that.Meh on this one...Listening to it doesn't really do much for me. Maybe because I dont care for Cruise, or MIssion Impossible, or maybe because I already heard better from Inception and Fury Road....
Even on last year's Dunkirk Hans wrote 90% of it. Unless you are born in the last few months there is plenty of music which Hans wrote and many can remember.Interstellar is barely 3 years old.SamualPF - there people go again misconstruing my comments about some of the posters here as negative comments against Balfe or his music. I didn't say anything about the score. But sure, keep pushing that agenda.<br><br>George, you make fair, well-articulated points and for what it's worth, I never included you among those who have, shall we say, aroused my suspicions. I'm looking forward to checking out the score for myself and rest assured I'll give it a fair shake when I do. I've liked plenty of Balfe scores in the past, I swear I'm not a hater! :pNone of Kraemerís music is reused! Thematic consistency says what?I actually always listen to a new score with an open mind. If I start expecting something and the score doesn't sound like it or doesn't have a certain thing in it I will always be dissappointed. If I don't expect anything and it turns out a score is a dissappointment, it's not such a big deal.<br><br>For example:<br>A lot of people wanted/expected a lot of individual hero themes in Infinity War. I didn't think it was necessary and I'm absolutely in love with the score.<br><br>And in the cause of reprising themes from 30+ different character in a score of 2 hours would have been chaos. If you're talking about LOTR and themes, that's different story. Those scores were almost all 3 or 4 hours.<br><br>But all and all. I don't think this is a better score than RN, but I don't think it's a bad score. It fits the movie, and I think that's what a score is all about
Edmund ........<br><br>Yet again another negative comment about Balfe based on no fact . Sums you up really . The fact Tom Cruise who has produced the franchise has said he thinks is the best means something .we all get it that you donít like his music but simply contain yourself for always wanting to make pointless comments about him .<br><br>The reviews have been amazing for he filmmand Balfes scores . This may irritate you but at least watch the film and listen to the score then give a proper opinion.give it a goNo offense, Edmund, but if you havenít listened to it then donít make a judgement call on those of us that like it. Fallout in my opinion is the only really good RCP blockbuster score this year, and Iím going to voice my opinion on that. Pacific Rim, Tomb Raider, wrinkle in time, and Skyscraper have all been disappointments for me so when this surprisingly came out two weeks early, and I surprisingly liked it, then of course Iím going to ďflock overĒ and tell you all about how I feel. <br><br>Reviewers liking it is fun for those of us that like it. Tom cruise, who actually IS known to like film scores and has been to concerts for film scores (like Brian Tyler, even though Iím not crazy about him), liking it is also exciting for those of us that like this score and also for us who were excited to hear an updated RCP take on Mission Impossible. I root for all the RCP composers to succeed and create something memorable, and when others seem to like that too then Iím going to comment on it.<br><br>Whether it was Lorne Balfe, Henry Jackman, Ramin Djawadi, or Hans himself who scored this I would have been one of the first to tell you all if I liked it. And if I hated it I would also have voiced my disappointment... but simply put I was not disappointed and Iím glad that others are liking it, including reviewers and Tom Cruise.Once again, and not for the first time on this site, I can't help get the feeling that a Lorne Balfe score page is getting brigaded. Seems like every time he puts a new score out, a bunch of people flock to the page with glowingly positive comments (and brooking not even the slightest criticism), frequently from irregular users with very generic names who don't ever post in threads by other composers. And then using weak, tired arguments like "the reviewers love it" (I trust film reviewers on scores about as far as I can throw them) or "Tom Cruise said it's the best" (and since when is Cruise an authority on film scoring?) or "this is a new/modern/DARK M:I movie" (no excuse for a bad score). It feels, quite frankly, like shilling.<br><br>Disclaimer: haven't actually heard the score, I'm making no judgment on the music itself here. This is merely an observation of the posting patterns here.Iím right there with you. I definitely think Balfe is very talented, although heís far from one of the best composers out there. Especially compared to Zimmer.<br><br>That being said, Iím not crazy about MI:2. The highlights are solid (Injection and Bare Island especially) but I find most of the score either schizophrenic or just not as developed as the scores that influence it. Sorta like how everybody loves ďThe RingĒ but I canít personally canít help but hear it as a lesser version of Hannibal.Right, which is why Iím ok with this. Look, I love the score for Rogue Nation as much as everyone else, but I still kept an open mind and was surprised that I enjoyed Fallout as much as I did, regardless of the influences.
Thank you, Alex.  I appreciate it...Ohhh, nothing......Just here to remind folks what is the best M:I score. *cough*Balfe is not Zimmer*cough*<br><br>Seriously now.......Balfe seems to be turning into a film score version of Christopher Nolan. There are people who think he's the best thing since sliced bread, the next Jesus, and there are people who hate his guts. Personally, I don't mind him and I'm glad he gets to work on these big movies. But on the other hand, his score for the new MI movie is not even close to the greatness of Zimmer's MI2 score. At least in my opinion.I think most people listen to this score with a Rogue Nation kind of movie in their heads. But it's a very different kind of movie en the score works perfectly in the movie i.m.o.The purists than keep moaning missing Joe Kramer have not got a clue.they are living in the past and not thinking about the film.Fallout sound big and Epic and watching the HALO jump scene the music works perfectly .The reviewers have raved about the score and the film makers think at the best score from the franchise .One thing I can definitely say about this is, while the instrumentation sounds synthetic most of the time (something in most Balfe scores) there is more energy in the 95 minutes on album than most action scores nowadays, probably the most since Fury Road.<br><br>And of course the ďtraditionalistsĒ are really hating it, which means it must work wonders in context.
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Batman Begins (Expanded Score)
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  1. Batman Titles (0:51)
  2. Young Bruce Falls (1:49)
  3. Prison Nightmare (1:01)
  4. Meeting Ducard (1:57)
  5. The Long Walk (2:19)
  6. Monastery (2:45)
  7. Father To The Rescue (2:12)
  8. Bruceís Discomfort (0:37)
  9. Mugging (Part 1) (1:18)
  10. Mugging (Part 2) (2:50)
  11. Training (2:50)
  12. Campfire (3:27)
  13. Courthouse (Part 1) (2:39)
  14. Your System Is Broken (0:56)
  15. Meeting Falcone (3:08)
  16. Decision (2:31)
  17. Hide In The Dark (2:59)
  18. Initiation Into League (2:31)
  19. Temple Fight (4:05)
  20. Return To Gotham (0:51)
  21. Crane Warns Rachel (Part 1) (0:59)
  22. Crane Warns Rachel (Part 2) (1:14)
  23. The Bat Cave (2:57)
  24. Wayne Enterprises (1:24)
  25. Prototypes (1:41)
  26. Preparing Equipment (1:49)
  27. Why Bats (2:34)
  28. Dockyard Ambush (Part 1) (2:51)
  29. Dockyard Ambush (Part 2) (0:29)
  30. Rachel Attacked (2:24)
  31. Microwave Stolen (1:24)
  32. Meeting Rachel (1:37)
  33. Craneís Mask (0:44)
  34. Gordon At Home (1:27)
  35. Batman On Fire (2:31)
  36. Finders Keepers (Part 1) (0:52)
  37. Finders Keepers (Part 2) (0:56)
  38. Fox Is Fired (1:11)
  39. Making Medicine (4:08)
  40. Fight In Craneís Lab (Part 1) (4:44)
  41. Fight In Craneís Lab (Part 2) (0:26)
  42. Fight In Craneís Lab (Part 3) (0:45)
  43. Backup (1:34)
  44. Batmobile Chase (5:01)
  45. Rachel In Bat Cave (1:26)
  46. Your Fatherís Name (0:55)
  47. Crane Interrogated (0:33)
  48. Ducard Appears (1:08)
  49. Ducard & Gothamís Fate (3:30)
  50. Bruce Left For Dead (3:14)
  51. Antidote (3:32)
  52. Batman Arrives (2:30)
  53. Rescue Rachel (2:55)
  54. Final Confrontation (1:19)
  55. Train Fight (Part 1) (1:59)
  56. Train Fight (Part 2) (1:23)
  57. Danger Over (0:52)
  58. Surveying The Ruins (3:19)
  59. Gordon Says Thanks (1:51)
  60. End Credits (3:30)
  61. Raís Al Ghul Suite (7:15)
  62. Batman Theme (3:16)
  63. Prison Nightmare (Alternate Mix) (1:01)
  64. Monastery (Alternate Mix) (2:45)
  65. Father To The Rescue (Alternate Mix) (2:12)
  66. Mugging (Part 1) (Alternate Mix) (1:06)
  67. Mugging (Part 2) (Alternate Mix) (2:50)
  68. Training (Alternate Mix 1) (2:53)
  69. Training (Alternate Mix 2) (2:49)
  70. Campfire (Alternate Mix 1) (3:27)
  71. Campfire (Alternate Mix 2) (3:27)
  72. Your System Is Broken (Alternate Mix) (0:56)
  73. Meeting Falcone (Alternate Mix) (3:09)
  74. Decision (Alternate Mix) (2:31)
  75. Crane Warns Rachel (Part 1) (Alternate Mix) (0:58)
  76. Crane Warns Rachel (Part 2) (Alternate Mix) (1:14)
  77. Preparing Equipment (Alternate Mix) (1:54)
  78. Why Bats? (Alternate) (2:33)
  79. Batman On Fire (Alternate) (2:28)
  80. Batmobile Chase (Alternate Mix) (4:51)
  81. Gordon Says Thanks (Alternate Mix) (1:51)
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Lincoln Clay reply Replies: 1 || 2018-03-31 06:28:29
Please someone write Composer details?


superultramegaa2018-03-31 13:40:12
We do not, and will never know composer details. As said numerous times on every Batman movie thread, James Newton Howard, and the other writers were throwing out ideas with Zimmer and each other from the beginning. We will never know who did what because this score was truly a co-composing in the most literal sense.

For an idea of what James Newton did, look at Hybrid's comment where he lists the track that we know that he was involved in. Though we don't know if he co-wrote them, or did them himself. We also know Ramin helped with "Training", and Balfe arranged "Backup", and "Batmobile Chase".

Hanzi reply Replies: 22 || 2012-07-24 09:12:37
Does anyone know where is the music on this complete score when Batman first meets Gordon ("you're a good cop , one of the few") and has to escape from the police station?
Thank you


Hybrid Soldier2012-07-24 09:56:36
The cue, called Batman Visits Gordon, is missing, like a few others : Courthouse Pt 2, Finch Is Killed & a part of Fight In Crane's Lab...

As for JNH's involvement, though crediting is quite hard cause the basic material for the score was written by both Hans & James, but I can tell you that he was "in charge" of :

Father To The Rescue
Campfire
Your System Is Broken
Hide In The Dark
Initiation Into League
Temple Fight
Return To Gotham
Crane Warns Rachel
The Bat Cave
Wayne Enterprises
Prototypes
Batman Visits Gordon
Dockyard Ambush Pt1
Meeting Rachel
Microwave Stolen
Fox Is Fired
Surveying The Ruins

I miss a few, but you can certainly add to that cues like Finders Keepers Pt 1, Your Father's Name, Bruce Left For Dead.

That doesn't really seem like he did nothing... ;)


Hanzi2012-07-24 10:04:43
Thank you for your answer Hybrid:)
So that means the track 25. Batman Visits Gordon (1:12)included on some bootlegs contains FX?



Hybrid Soldier2012-07-24 10:10:18
Yes they generally are DVD rips.


Hanzi2012-07-24 10:20:51
Thank you for the information Hybrid :)
Strangely I was sure the music from "Batman visits Gordon" was originally on the official soundtrack : my bad :)


Hybrid Soldier2012-07-24 10:23:26
Not in Begins but in TDK's OST in "I'm Not A Hero", there's an almost identical reprise of it in it... :P


cheesy2012-07-24 15:15:27
Are you sure about Initiation Into League/Bruce Left for Dead/Dockyard Ambush Pt. 1/The Bat Cave?

I don't mean to question you, but those sure sound a lot like Zimmer tracks to me. It'd be fascinating otherwise.


Mr. Charles2012-07-24 19:22:48
Thanks for all the info, Hybrid. Like I said down below, trying to prove people wrong, Hans wrote the majority, JNH did the rest.

Now I have to agree with Cheesy, is "The Batcave" REALLY JNH? I know you have your sources Hybrid, but that's got Zimmer's main 2-note Batman theme in it, finishing off the track. I could swear it's Zimmer. But I'm not doubting you


Anonymous2012-07-25 09:49:50
there are no missing parts Hybrid, those cues exist. I have those cues, and they are not dvd-rips


Mr. Charles2012-07-25 16:27:32
Ya, I happen to have those "missing cues" as well, and they're genuine 320kbps. Clean, no DVD rip


cheesy2012-07-26 06:41:52
Wat? Since when? Did I miss this party?


Bou2012-07-27 09:39:13
You really think that if these famous "missing cues" were available , FX free , genuine or anything you prefer , they would not be included in the HZ.com BB tracklist?
DVD rips! that's all FAKE!


Mike2012-11-30 08:12:14
Regarding JNH and the Bat Cave: are you ABSOLUTELY sure that was Howard? Your System is Broken also sounded heavily "Zimmer" to me. I mean, you're the boss, but...


Mike2012-11-30 08:13:48
Oh shoot, I feel annoying. Two people said the same thing above.


Anonymous2013-08-01 16:43:41
JNH said he had a stronger presence in the first half of the film and Zimmer had a stronger presence in the second half, so those credits up there actually make some form of sense, even if JNH used Zimmer's themes a lot.


Anonymous2013-08-01 22:18:47
I know this has no real basis, but if I had to guess which tracks were Zimmer based on Hybrid's list of Howard stuff, I would say Zimmer was "in charge of":

Young Bruce Falls
The Long Walk
Training
Why Bats?
Gordon at Home
Batman On Fire
Finders Keepers pt. 2
Fight in Crane's Lab (all parts)
Back Up (yes I know Lorne arranged this one)
Batmobile chase
Batman Arrives
All the final fight music
Danger Over
Gordon Says Thanks


Mike (OTM)2017-08-12 04:29:09
I think there's a lot of leeway with respect to who was "in charge of what" here, especially where Hans' two-note theme is prominent. Just recently in an interview for Dunkirk, Nolan talked about "Hans' music" during the Bat Cave scene of Begins, so Hans definitely was involved there.

Plus, the end of "The Bat Cave" is reprised a few times in TDK and TDKR, and in all those cases, it's Zimmer who's in charge. We know BB was a co-written score, so everyone was kind of involved with everything.


lordy2017-08-12 09:34:53
Hybrid, is there an explanation why the cue "Courthouse Pt 2" missing?


Mike (OTM)2017-08-12 18:01:11
Courthouse Part 2 isn't the only cue missing...We also have "Batman Visits Gordon," already mentioned, and also the cue when Carl, the DA, gets shot, and then Batman sees the kid in the Narrows. I really love the last cue, too. :(


Cameron2017-08-12 19:40:01
Well, I guess that explains why JNH sounds like Zimmer quite a bit in that score. I wonder why they didn't use the same collaborative style in TDK.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-16 01:05:55
@Cameron, they were located separately during the making of TDK, if I recall correctly. So work had to be more split up.


lordy2018-03-15 20:58:48
@Mike (OTM): but any idea or explanation, why these cues are missing? especially why aren't they on the tracklist here on the official zimmer page?


Dawn2018-03-16 00:48:07
@lordy
This all depends on how the music leaks. Many, many unofficial releases are incomplete.
Mostly because :
#1 they weren't properly ripped from the archives
#2 all tracks couldn't be located
#3 files are damaged
#4 someone decided not to share them (but I doubt this as in this case the missing tracks seem quite random and far from being the iconic ones)

The only way to get them is to wait and hope for someone else to share a version from another source!

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 5 || 2017-11-26 04:46:21
Whenever I listen to The Dark Knight, where Howard's involvement was diminished, and Rises, where it's pretty much absent, I realize how much heart he helped give to Batman Begins. His presence was there in The Dark Knight, but TDK was a Hans score with some James at specific points, because they were working separately during the process.

But Begins was really Hans and James (and Mel and Lorne and Ramin, too...) and it had more heartfelt moments consistently throughout. You can hear the musical relationships Bruce has with Rachel and with his parents, and it's a really nice complement to all the dark/brooding/ambient/action material. "Your Father's Name," "Father to the Rescue," and tons of other cues really give Begins a warmer sounding score and make it more well-rounded.

Hans wrote some emotional stuff in TDK and TDKR (particularly the Dark Knight suite), but that's more emotional in a powerful or tragic kind of way. James' contributions to these scores felt more emotional in a loving and deep kind of way. Has anybody else thought about this?

Also, while I'm here, if JNH had worked on TDKR, I wonder if the Harvey Dent theme would have come back for the subplot of his. I've always wondered why Hans and co. didn't bring that theme back. Instead, they kind of created a new theme for the Dent stuff ("The Truth About Harvey Dent" and "Gotham is Yours").


James2017-11-26 11:05:20
I also like Howard's contributions very much. Batman begins is the second among my two favourite scores of the Nolan trilogy. ;)

Unfortunately I think the contribution between JNH and HZ was always more a matter of support than the desire to do something together (Zimmer says inviting Howard to work with him was promise made in the middle of the years 90). Hans thought needed Howard's name beside him so his score was better accepted in the eyes of the aficionados by the music of 89. Not that he needed, of course. But doing the BB score and giving a new musical identity to Batman was one of the biggest challenges of his career.


James2017-11-26 11:08:57
and Howard accepted the challenge, even with so many people going against the two working together. It was a riot at the time. lol


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-26 12:08:32
Wait wait what's this story... "better accepted" ? Hans couldn't care less about that.

Hans & James were going to score Secret Window together but James was too exhausted after The Village to dive into it so they cancelled. And when Nolan came to Hans, Hans' first reaction was to bring James...

Also, if Begins blends more as a collaboration between the two, it's because of Ramin, who's style can match both Hans & James perfectly... :)


James2017-11-26 12:26:04
lol

Thank you for your attention, Hybrid!
I always let myself think too much about certain situations. I've gone too far, I recognise. Particularly I don't know anything about the behind the scenes of the productions. I couldn't even do it. I don't live in the USA. :D
But the impression I've always had is that James has always been there to give a "hi" and satisfy Hans ' willingness to see them working together.
Wanting or not, TDK trilogy music was not destroyed by criticism because of Howard's involvement. Unfortunately they tend to exaggerate in negative commentary when the name of Zimmer is associated with the score.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-26 23:50:27
Interesting, Hybrid, about Ramin...We know he worked on Training and the Ra's al Ghul suite, which both sound like a bridge between Zimmer and Howard. Do you know what other cues he worked on? And for that matter, out of curiosity, do you have any knowledge of what cues are primarily Hans? It's easier to tell what's James, whereas Hans could be Hans + Ramin, Lorne, or Mel... So it would be intriguing to know which cues are 90% Zimmer or more.

Peter reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-03 15:34:12
Who exactly composed the songs, I ask about these partners Hans and James?

Cameron reply Replies: 3 || 2017-08-10 23:03:47
Hybrid, I know a definitive credits list is not really possible. However, you did say which cues JNH was in charge of. Could you perhaps do the same for Zimmer?


Mike (OTM)2017-08-11 01:51:32
Same question!


Cameron2017-08-11 02:34:43
Also, are we 1000% sure (you read that right) that "Batman Visits Gordon" isn't legit? I've listened to it myself. Didn't hear the slightest bit of SFX.


Cameron2017-08-11 22:22:17
Never mind about BVG, I've now heard the evidence that it is indeed a DVD rip.

Cameron reply Replies: 1 || 2017-07-20 21:22:28
Question about "Batman On Fire," the film version. I seem to have heard another mix where the opening synth, instead of fading in, starts right up and is rather jarring. It's hard to explain without being able to upload it, but does anyone know what I'm talking about?


skeletonmage2017-08-09 00:33:06
The film version starts with the alternate and switches over to the non-alternate in the middle.

superultramegaa reply Replies: 2 || 2017-06-07 01:22:38
Does anyone have the film version of "Backup" here? While the Lorne Balfe cue and end credits versions are both really good, I would be extremely interested in the film edit if it's available.


Mike (Otm)2017-06-07 16:14:02
Agreed. Love the film version.


superultramegaa2017-06-10 21:07:01
Also, I'm curious about a particular song in this score, "Courthouse Part 1," was that Hans Zimmer? I always thought it sounded like some of Zimmer's emotional suites in thing like "Bootstrap Bill" in Pirates of the Caribbean 1, or "You're my Boy" in The Amazing Spider-Man 2. Plus I think the choir they use in "Courthouse" and "Mugging Part 2" is Zimmer as he uses it in TDKR (I know that's not proof but it's an assumption,) and similar notes appear in Ra's Al Ghul's death and Dockyard Ambush's ending. Plus JNH's version of "Courthouse," in TDK in "I Am The Batman" sounds very different, so I'm really wondering how much involvement he had in the track.

Cameron reply Replies: 2 || 2016-05-10 18:30:47
No one seems to have this exact version. Only the one where all the cues are combined.


Russel2016-05-10 21:53:09
I think you should request it.


Cameron2016-05-11 22:48:42
What do you mean?

Cameron reply Replies: 0 || 2016-05-11 00:36:27
Where? Here? When last I looked, they didn't share here. Unless you mean something else???

Dukard reply Replies: 0 || 2015-12-30 00:37:15
I keep seeing an unlisted track called "Teddy Bears" on a few sights but can't seem to listen to it.

Mike reply Replies: 4 || 2014-08-08 03:33:40
How were Tom Gire and John Sponsler associated with Batman Begins? The movie is listed on the magic box site, but this site has nothing relating them to this score.


Anonymous2014-08-08 03:36:11
probably did a trailer or something


Anonymous2014-08-08 04:50:02
Mike, it says right on the page "Trailer". There's your answer -_-


Drunkenmunkey2014-08-08 05:35:32
LOL


Mike2014-08-08 18:59:48
My bad.... :P

smooth reply Replies: 1 || 2014-02-20 17:46:52
someone has the music trailers batman begins?


Nyct2014-05-10 04:01:43
Depends on the trailer.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-09 21:22:43
I noticed recently how quietly mixed the "Prototypes" cue is in the movie. Weird considering that Nolan usually likes the music to be loud (as Hans himself said in a Q&A session once). A shame, cause it's a neat cue and you can barely hear it.

smooth reply Replies: 0 || 2014-02-20 17:41:36
itīs is real??? scoring sessions is real?

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-02-14 00:29:24
For those, like me, who are wondering how much of Batmobile Chase was really Lorne Balfe's creative genius, listen to the "Final Confrontation" cue (the one right before Train Fight). If Hans did that cue, then we can know Batmobile Chase is at least 95% Zimmer, even if Lorne Balfe TECHNICALLY arranged it.

RealFfingMusic reply Replies: 6 || 2014-02-11 14:34:34
Can we have a complete list of who did what here?


Mike2014-02-11 15:19:44
Hybrid has said a billion times that such a thing is impossible. We know the following:

Ramin Djawadi was involved with Training and Lasiurus
Lorne Balfe was involved with Batmobile Chase and Backup
Mel Wesson did the ambient material in the score
And then the James Newton Howard contributions are, generally, rather obvious. But he uses a lot of HZ material and style throughout the score, so it's not black and white.


Edmund Meinerts2014-02-11 15:28:32
Yeah. Plus, Hybrid posted a list of cues that JNH was "in charge of" just below this thread.


RealFfingMusic2014-02-11 15:39:55
Sorry, didn't know the detailed history.
:)


RealFfingMusic2014-02-11 15:45:20
Was Vespertilio re-used in DKR?


Mike2014-02-11 16:16:29
Well, not exactly like that....It's the main theme throughout the films, so it popped up essentially at various points, but the closest thing to it being used directly in TDKR was the Hospital Visit cue.


RealFfingMusic2014-02-11 17:38:50
Oh. Thanks Mike.

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2014-02-10 17:18:58
hybrid, zimmer wrote the theme used in training right? because he used that theme again in tdk and there was no ramin credit.


Mike2014-02-10 17:26:21
This is something I wondered myself as well. Cause if Ramin really wrote that theme (as opposed to just arranging it after Hans wrote it), he basically wrote the most important theme out of the trilogy (and the theme which made the endings of TDK and TDKR so memorable).

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-01-04 02:23:00
In Kung Fu Panda, certain ghostwriters would be involved with each specific composer (Paul Mounsey did cues for Powell while Lorne did cues for Zimmer, for example). Was it similar here? Like, if Ramin Djawadi did some cues, they were for Zimmer, not Howard?

Anon1 reply Replies: 1 || 2013-08-01 22:08:54
I love how the end of the alternate version of "Batman on Fire" uses Zimmer/Howard's so-called Batman "theme". I also prefer that one because there's less vocals. Wish it had been used in the film.


Mike2013-08-01 22:09:54
This might sound bizarre, but with the muted vocals that track really reminds me of "Am I Not Merciful?".

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-08-01 21:57:29
The 10 seconds from 2:23-2:33 in Making Medicine are great! :D

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-08-01 16:08:10
What exactly is the point of having some cues split into "Part 1" and "Part 2"?

James reply Replies: 1 || 2013-06-14 09:12:47
I honestly think this is one of the best scores ever written. Proof of this comes from the fact that it's been copied by every action film and movie trailer since 2005. It's just a genius piece of work and fits the movie perfectly.


Ted2013-06-15 22:25:30
You have a really bizarre idea of what "proof" is. The score is copied because Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were successful and revolutionized superhero movies in general. Now every director wants their films to be like Nolan's films and that includes music that sounds like Zimmer.

Anonymous reply Replies: 5 || 2013-05-16 02:37:36
does this have the film mix of the tumbler chase?

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Anon-e-missing2013-05-20 05:17:03
This reminds me: can anyone tell me why these scores contain cues as originally recorded, but not the final film versions also/instead (like Backup)?


Mike2013-05-20 05:22:33
If I had to guess, I would say the purpose of the cue sheet is to determine what goes where...Not to document all the music written/used, necessarily...I dunno. It is a shame, though. The film version of Backup is intense.


Anonymous2013-05-27 21:16:32
Speaking of Backup, I find it really interesting that even though Lorne Balfe arranged the cue, we now know:

--what Backup would sound like if Lorne were totally in charge of it (the cue on his site)
--what Backup would sound like if whoever the music mixer was had his way with Lorne's cue (the film version)
--and now, what Backup would sound like if Hans Zimmer was in charge: 1:10-2:43 in "Imagine the Fire"!


Dawn2013-05-27 23:45:22
Mmmhhh honestly, I think that, though Lorne has Backup on his website, he only arranged some HZ suite/material. For me Backup is 100% HZ, but Lorne was asked to arrange the cue to the picture. The same way there's this long HZ "Wayne Manor" suite from TDKR that was arranged to the picture by other team members.


Mike2013-05-28 05:27:10
It seems slightly unfair to me to compare Backup to TDKR's score. Because with TDKR's score, the material from the suites is hardly changed at all. For example, pretty much all the Bane music heard in the movie, or cues like "Blake Visits Wayne Manor", "Take Me to Bane", "Not Meant to Die Here", "He Was the Batman", "No Stone Unturned"--whether or not they were arranged by Hans, they appear in the film exactly as Hans wrote them in his suites. Thus, it truly is 100% Hans.

But something about Backup feels like more than JUST an arrangement of pre-existing themes. As much as Lorne borrowed from existing thematic material, it seems to be far more "original" than the cues from TDKR and Lorne truly deserves to call it his.

cheesy reply Replies: 4 || 2011-08-01 21:27:09
@Hybrid (or anyone else capable) Do you think we could get a track list/log for which composers wrote which cues, like we got with TDK? I've always wondered whether it was HZ or JNH who wrote the music for Ra's Al Ghul.


Agnt007dman2011-08-02 00:08:57
Yes, I second this! Please Hybrid, please!


Yusef2013-05-21 19:36:48
I'm pretty sure the Ra's al Ghul theme was JNH.


billy2013-05-22 19:17:32
I remember that once Hybrid had made a credits list for the OST and the Lasiurus track (which is the Raís Al Ghul Suite) was written by JNH.


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-22 19:35:44
Actually after I asked, I was told Djawadi did work on Lasiurus. Did he write it all ? Arrange it ? No idea, but he surely was on it.

Hale reply Replies: 1 || 2011-05-23 17:16:48
These recording sessions are just awesome. If all Zimmer scores could benefit of this kind of release (non-official or official), it would be a better score music world!!


Anonymous2013-05-21 19:33:11
Amen to that!

Wilson reply Replies: 11 || 2013-05-20 09:01:47
What's the probability of this score seeing an official expanded release like the second movie got?


Mike2013-05-20 09:06:39
Rather low, m'friend. Hans Zimmer scores almost never get expanded releases. Hans himself isn't big into those, for some reason (he would do well to learn from Lorne Balfe in that regard... :P). The only reason The Dark Knight got an extended release was because the movie was so immensely popular and that would give the studio even more money. I assume the same can be said for the upcoming Man of Steel album: either the studio is convinced that the film will make a lot of money, and so releasing more music is worth it, or Water Tower had grat sales with The Hobbit's score.

Either way, I wouldn't hold out for a Batman Begins "official" expanded release short of divine intervention. Though believe me, I'd be quite happy if such a thing happened.


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-20 10:09:55
Actually, HZ isn't "against" the idea... Trust me if there's one who would like to see mixes of TLK, TTRL or Black Hawk Down released, it's him !

The problem is he doesn't really have time to give to the past, it's always "the next project" and it never ends.


Anonymous2013-05-20 18:09:23
I wish he would pass it on to someone else to do. I'm sure someone at RCP would love to be given a unique project like that. I know I would haha.


Mike2013-05-20 21:45:59
Interesting...Well, maybe one day he'll be able to take a break like John Powell is doing and get stuff like this rolling.


Lucius2013-05-20 21:53:20
I concur, Anonymous. I love hearing that Hans Zimmer will be scoring a film, but there are a lot of "blossoming" talents at RCP who would probably appreciate the chance to do whole scores and not just additional music/arrangements.


Anonymous2013-05-20 22:01:50
I don't suppose there are any petitions for a two-disc BB soundtrack floating around, are there? :P


Aragorn2013-05-20 22:03:04
Do petitions work for this kinda thing?


Mike2013-05-20 22:05:41
Actually, if I'm remembering correctly, I believe it was a petition that got the first Transformers score released (and that was an excellent album if you ask me!).


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-20 22:22:55
The CD was always planned. Like Armageddon, just very bad timing...


Gator2013-05-21 01:25:16
Yes, the Transformers score was planned from the very beginning, and it was decided to have it released at the same time as the DVD.
Not knowing that, many people got pissed, and started a (useless) petition.


Mike2013-05-21 01:53:24
Well, okay then. No hope for an expanded Begins release, I guess.

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2013-04-09 09:29:04
I love the Batman Arrives track/scene. Just when all feels hopeless you hear the sudden DUN DUN DUN DUN and you know Batman is gonna go pwn some ninjas lol.


Aragorn2013-04-10 07:19:52
Speaking of Batman pwning ninjas, I think it's a shame that the cue for that scene was cut short on the Begins album. There was one really cool part that's missing.

Aragorn reply Replies: 0 || 2013-03-26 07:13:26
"Crane's Mask" is such a creepy track. O_O It is the sound of insanity.

Yo Jo reply Replies: 1 || 2013-03-22 08:03:38
The training music has got of be some of the most beautiful stuff I've heard.


jizzle in yo fizzle2013-03-22 23:54:33
hans should start scoring pornos

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