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Right. The difference between Zimmer and many other composers (for me at least) is that you can almost immediately tell if you like a Zimmer score off the bat. DMTNT is something that needs a few listens to grow on you, and so far I'm liking what I hear.<br><br>When I heard Fantastic Beasts for the first time I was initially disappointed but after about 3 listens and hearing it in context it became my favorite score of the year. Everyone is different of course, but I feel like this score will grow on people with time.Well... as you say, Zanelli's tunes tend to be less streamlined. You can hear it in his themes for Into the West, The Pacific, Outlander (the movie) and even the Spaniards themes in OST. <br><br>Not to say Zimmer's aren't great in their own merit, but are not always the same exact approach.For everyone complaining about the mix of this album don't forget, nothing beats Curse of the Black Pearl in terms of an awful recording mix. When you have a 'synthy' sounding orchestra and bass gain distortions that actually make it to album this really isn't anything in comparison.<br><br>And I think the key difference between Zimmer and Zanelli (at least on this franchises' terms) is that most of the themes Zimmer wrote for the franchise (Davy Jones, Beckett, Kraken, pretty much all of the original tunes from the 1st one, etc.) were actually incredibly simplistic. Geoff's tunes are less streamlined. They aren't bad by any means, but it's telling when the strongest parts are the reprises of things like Hoist the Colours and Marry Me."How did they manage to make a 100 piece orchestra sound like a demo for an off the shelf sample library?"<br><br>MV/RC has existed for over two decades now and you're actually still surprised at this? XDfinal veredict?
Oh dear . Where is the theme ?Comes across very likeable and enthusiastic.Now I'm even more excited!I'm on track 9 at the moment. Nothing especially memorable so far, but I do love the return of the Love Theme and Hoist the Colors.<br><br>Salazar's theme isn't as bad as I thought it would be, but it does seem to get repetative quickly. Hopefully the score isn't as blatantly bad on-screen as OST was. That film and score was a mess.Cool insight on POTC 5 !
Now that the album is out there I can easily say that I love this score. Definitely my 2nd favorite behind MoS. <br><br>Musically, much of it has that "Last Samurai/Transformers" power anthem style (with one of the themes sounding like King Arthur) but with RGW's string writing style as opposed to the bass heavy approach of those scores. The WW cello theme isn't used a whole lot, but when it gets some screen time it feels earned, and steals the show. The villain material is the weakest part, but instrumentally is pretty cool with the incorporation of the cimbalom (it reminds me slightly of Sherlock at points)<br><br>Overall, easily one of the best scores so far this year.Hans has not done this one because he was working on dunkirk at the time as far as I know. I saw the movie last night and for sure things like "What shall we die for", "One day", "Jack Sparrow", the legendary "He's a pirate" or even the bit of the musical clock/bell theme from davy jones and Calypso at the VERY end of the film are things that Hans wrote of course. In the movie itself you hear this stuff very often especially in the first hour of the movie which is packed with old themes. But Geoff Zanelli still wrote the other 60%/65% of the music so I can imagine that Hans said that they can give it to Zanelli because even if most of the themes are from Hans, he was most likely not heavily involved at the writing and scoring process. He was most likely there at the beginning of the process like Zanelli said in an interview and made sure that this story needed things like one day or the medallion calls. And he is not credited because of the fact that he was doing dunkirk and for sure his live tour and so he was like mentioned before only there at the beginning of the process and wrote/refined the new versions of one day or he's a pirate if he did anything. But i thought as well that they could have mentioned him in the credits like they mentioned Zanelly or even Steve Jablonsky in the credits of the first one or John Williams at Rogue One.I missed that, sorry! I agree with your other comment.<br><br>Jackman's contribution to the 2nd half of love suite, his rollicking orchestral mayhem in "I don't know if now is the best time" provide plenty of evidence of him imposing his style effectively on the material. <br>"Going back to ground 0" doesn't mean "make a poor movie".<br>I would like more Pirates movies, but not if they make them as bad as the 4th and 5th ones. They could have written an original story (I'm sure there are good writers out there who could have found something fresh) and started a new adventure just like the 2nd and 3rd movies did. It's not impossible.<br>But rather they just tried to remake the 1st movie. If they did it for the 5th one, why do you think they wouldn't do it for the 6th one? Judging by the post-credit scene, they are clearly not afraid of ripping off the previous movies even more... :-DHi Hans!<br><br>Your scores helped me pass through difficult times, in life.<br>Never heard music that touches me so deep inside.<br>Thanks - to you and your Team - and go on like this.<br>When do you come to Germany with your Team (live in concert)?<br><br>If you like to answer: atlantis42195@gmail.com<br>------------------------------------------<br>Hallo Hans!<br><br>Ein dickes Lob an Sie und Ihr Team.<br>Ihre Musik half mir, durch schwere Zeiten im Leben zu kommen.<br>Nie zuvor kannte ich Musik, welche mich derart berührt.<br>Wann kommen Sie wieder nach Deutschland, mit Ihrem Team?<br><br>Weiter so und beste Grüße, aus Düsseldorf!<br>Falls Sie antworten möchten:atlantis42195@gmail.com<br><br>Jill W.<br>
Yeah... I know what you mean...<br><br>First of all, I want this movie to be a fun ride. I cannot ask of it what I would ask of a Nolan production, for once. But I know I cannot ask of this movie what I would ask of a 2nd or a 3rd part. I say this because since DMTNT begins production they (producers) hinted it was the BEGINNING of a new adventure, So they had to go back to "ground 0". And is not too difficult to guess that they'd try the Star Wars formula; POTC 5 is basically Force Awakens in its intentions at the least.<br><br>So what really put me off is the fact that all this hate will only cause to not greenlit more adventures :( , because, well.. apparently audience doesn't want this dessert anymore.If that cheesy ending was "so so cool", it's just because it's a powerful reminder of how beautiful the 3rd movie was. And even more so in comparison to this dreadful 5th outing.Yeah I made a shitty suite ! :( :( :( lolLots of people complaining about the film and the score, makes me a little bit irritated. Of course this was never gonna reach the level of the first films. It never will be, it's been 10 years. I am a hugh fan of these films and after watching the new film I felt so good. That cheesy ending was actually so so cool. The movie wasn't perfect put they did some good things in it. I haven't heard this album yet but I listened to the samples and everything I wanted on this album, I did hear those parts in the samples. Afterwards I was humming that new adventure theme all day, even how unoriginal it is. It's cool and Carina's theme is a great new addition. This score is much than On Stranger Tides maybe think about that. Let this score grow on you. Most people now base their opinion on just this suite. Honestly ? It doens't reflect the score that well.I have yet to listen to the score, and I will after see the movie because I want to experience it on the movie itself first.<br><br>But if you read the very insightful interview with Zanelli for filmmusicamg, he talks about the "differences" between composers at RCP, and when Zimmer liked something of Zenelli its because, in Zimmer's words "it sounds so Geoff" (I think he was racalling it about Tia Dalma's theme and the tribal island music from DMC). So I think is kind of unfair to expect Geoff's music to sound very Zimmer's, realistically speaking. <br><br>I've been listening Zanelli's scores a few years now, and I think I Identify his style and his type os themes, which are not like Zimmer`s at all (talking about notes specifically)... so based on his scores I expect this to be a very Geoff Zanelli score leaning to POTC style and just a little of Zimmer.<br><br>You can see the differences in the OST album, just listen on what Zimmer composed and the listen the Spaniard's theme, which is by Zanelli.
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Trevor MorrisTJ LindgrenTodd HabermanSteve Davis
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Immortals
Label: Relativity Music Group
Length: 51'03
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  1. Immortal And Divine (1:30)
  2. War In The Heavens (2:32)
  3. Hyperion's Siren (3:47)
  4. Witness Hell (1:56)
  5. To Mt. Olympus (2:54)
  6. Enter The Oracles (2:30)
  7. Theseus And Phaedra (1:37)
  8. Poseidon's Leap (1:23)
  9. This Is Your Calling (1:31)
  10. Theseus Fight The Minotaur (2:13)
  11. Theseus Fires The Bow (2:16)
  12. My Own Heart (3:03)
  13. Zeus' Punishment (2:27)
  14. Ride To The Gates (1:00)
  15. In War Fathers Bury Their Sons (1:05)
  16. The Gods Chose Well (1:18)
  17. Fight So Your Name Survives (3:07)
  18. Battle In The Tunnel (2:43)
  19. Immortal Combat (3:34)
  20. Do Not Forsake Mankind (4:33)
  21. Apotheosis (1:44)
  22. Sky Fight - End Credits (2:22)
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Warfighter reply Replies: 0 || 2012-05-16 02:52:57
Has anyone heard Morris' Scorpion King 3 score? any info about this one?

Hale reply Replies: 1 || 2011-11-02 10:41:17
This score seems to be a mix between "Angels and Demons"(Choir style), "King Arthur" (Heavy orchestra with dark percussions) but it lacks GOOD themes. We can feel "Tudors" music style in a few tracks.

I think it's a functionnal score which takes its sense only in the movie.


Richard2012-01-12 06:42:07
Excellently put.

I want to remark that it all comes together rather nicely for immortals, the whole being more than the sum of its parts.

For example I feel the ending sky fight and subsequent staff credits is one of the most memorably powerful moments I've experienced in the theater.

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 7 || 2011-11-17 23:53:22
Man, this is a really weak score. I thought Trevor Morris would do better on his first solo assignment but he disappointed me. The reason? TEMP TRACKS!

"Hyperion's Siren" = Inception brass chords

Second half of "To Mt. Olympus" = "The Might of Rome" from Gladiator

"Fight So Your Name Survives" = the Holstesque action rhythms from Gladiator

"Do Not Forsake Mankind" = "Journey to the Line" from The Thin Red Line

But worst of all is "Immortal Combat" and "Sky Fight/End Credits", which sound EXACTLY like "160 BPM" from Angels and Demons! What the hell? Why no creativity?

Rest of the score is dull, uninteresting along the lines of the new Conan score. What a flop.


Bondo2011-11-18 00:35:16
It's hardly a flop, it's killing at the box office. And it's not his first solo assignment.


Edmund Meinerts2011-11-18 22:50:20
The score is a flop, not the movie. And I meant first solo blockbuster assignment.


Bondo2011-11-19 03:13:50
Nah, I'm enjoying it. And it worked VERY well in the film itself.


Zantlwisder2011-11-22 08:36:42
You know what? "Immortal Combat" is 160 beats per minute! Exactly the same as "160 BPM" from Angels & Demons.


Ele2011-11-22 10:29:39
@Zantlwisder Incredible find! Awesome! I didn't see that coming. Nice one, Sherlock


Areozz2011-11-22 21:48:07
What are you talking about? this is the page for Immortals, not Sherlock Holmes...


Zantlwisder2011-11-27 01:21:12
2'20''in"Fight So Your Name Survives", the drum beats are the same in "Kraken"from POC2... but the whole score works well in the movie,really

Bar reply Replies: 0 || 2011-11-09 21:07:26
wow! the "Do Not Forsake Mankind " is my favorite...very emotional!

Agntdman reply Replies: 0 || 2011-11-03 06:09:23
Every time I come to the site and see that interview with the film's director on the main page - Tarsem Singh, I keep thinking it's Muammar Gaddafi lol

Miles reply Replies: 0 || 2011-11-02 06:36:41
Mp3 samples on Amazon now! I don't know if it would be best for me to wait until the movie to hear the score or not.

Miles reply Replies: 3 || 2011-10-17 22:36:14
The official site has some samples up now! Any thoughts, first impressions?


Ds2011-10-18 12:48:32
I hear only one little cue... where do you see more samples? Thanks :)


Miles2011-10-19 16:51:52
You have to click on the tabs for synopsis, cast, downloads, etc., to hear the other cues.


Ds2011-10-19 18:23:39
Ok thanks a lot! ... i hope the full soundtrack will be more epic than these cues... These are ambiant cues, with no theme...

NoName reply Replies: 12 || 2011-10-09 21:36:30
Äh Tyler Bates 300 Part II ??? Its not so different !


NoName2011-10-09 21:38:07
A copy from Tyler Bates 300 !


Miles2011-10-10 16:25:41
Actually, there's a small score excerpt on the official site, and it definitely sounds more "Hans Zimmer" than "Tyler Bates."


NoName2011-10-10 22:47:57
Do you hear the music complete ? Do you M.D. in Music ?


Areozz2011-10-11 02:55:12
Do you M.D. in being a jerk? Mmmmm....hmmmmm, yes. Yes, you do.


Blu2011-10-11 11:28:39
No sarcasm intended but I didn't know the term M.D. can be used for anything other than medicine. Can it?


Areozz2011-10-11 14:25:44
I'm too lazy to look it up, but I'm pretty sure you're right, Blu.

This NoName guy thinks he's a know-it-all and thinks this music sounds like Tyler Bates, possibly because Tyler Bates did the music for 300 and because this movie appears to be similar to 300. It is not clear whether he has actually heard the music.

All composers have a unique style and if you've listened to the composers involved in this conversation, you could provide a statement like Miles did. NoName appears to have not a wide range of musical tastes....

*Waits for response from NoName*


Areozz2011-10-11 15:50:34
Ah, I overcame my laziness and looked it up. M.D. does indeed stand for Doctor of Medicine which makes absolutely no sense in the context that NoName used it in. Perhaps a better choice would have been "do you major in music?" to which the response could have been, "you don't have to be a music major to state when one composer's work sounds like another's."


Papapalpatine772011-10-11 18:27:12
Actually, if it sounds anything like 300, it really sounds like Elliot Gildenthal's score to Titus. Bates copied much of the themes from it and there was even a lawsuit. Now on the back of the latest Blu-ray (the digibook), there is an asterisk next to Bates' name. At the bottom it says *based on preexisting compositions not authored by Tyler Bates.


NoName2011-10-11 21:23:38
Sory iam not from America or England, Iam from Germany ind Iam a friend of Ramin Djawadi and Michael Levine. I know many composers RCP, because of my position in Germany. Doctor in German "Doktor" in Duisburg. I can not so good English but i can music and that is not English.

I hear often music before it is published. My specialist areas is Fimmusic, there i teach in munich (Bavaria). Ramin is an old fiend from Duisburg , i visit him often ! Therefor i have hear the new music.

And its really the same.

(Please no questions, idont send everybody the music)

Sorry for my bad english, i have it learn by myself.


Luc2011-10-14 16:34:23
That already was a copy of Elliot Goldenthal's Titus...


Anon2011-10-16 13:56:13
NoName, keep throwing your job title around, honestly no one cares. You can make yourself feel big by saying that meaningless garbage if you like however :) Just know that no one here actually cares. At all.


NoName2011-10-19 17:31:43
Ok !

Ele reply Replies: 0 || 2011-10-13 09:27:28
This will be awesome! We know Trevor can write good epic score (Tudors, Pillars, King Arthur)

Ds reply Replies: 0 || 2011-10-10 22:23:00
Interview with Trevor Morris about "Immortals":

http : // scorenotes .com/interviews . html

Kusi81 reply Replies: 0 || 2011-10-10 15:33:10
great!!! :) When's the start of Preordering that? :)

NoName reply Replies: 0 || 2011-10-09 21:39:31
Todd and Michel it is not related to you!

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 3 || 2011-10-09 12:15:54
I. Can't. Wait.


Blu2011-10-09 16:07:31
Awesome! I hope it is loud and epic!


Bondo2011-10-09 18:28:39
Wow, Trevor is doing this?? :D


NoName2011-10-09 21:37:16
I have hear it ! Its so .....

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