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;)I'm guessing, based on the credits, that Williams worked on "Dice and Roll" directly?He is.i don't doubt it, he and the director are good frineds and fans of each other, also they worked together on Annabelle so I'm willing to bet money he's the composer which is AWESOMEWallfisch just Retweeted the Shazam! trailer. Does that mean he is scoring it then? Hybrid can you say anything about this?
On Millers water planet, those ticking noises happen every 1.25 seconds. Each tick you hear is a while day passing on Earth.@MikeOTM<br>Youíre absolutely right. Powell did an awesome job of staying within the musical sandbox of the SW musical universe but also was able to bring something fresh and original to the overall sound, something Star Wars really needs right now.Sweet. I've gotta say, this score surprised me in a good way. I've always loved Powell, but if you told me two years ago he'd write a Star Wars score, I'd have been hesitant about it. But Solo is really, really solid, even without the John Williams main theme. In fact, I like what Powell does with the JW theme better than the theme as JW wrote it.Wowww so many solo Powell!His part is not in the OST release...
No Paul Mounsey credits?Credits added !
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<br>I didn't credit here JW for every arrangements of his theme & old SW themes that can be heard throughout the score.MoS, TASM2Badelt's "Solomon"?<br><br>This must be the "famous" Dark Knight reference that the "critics" are talking about.I could have sworn I had heard the Solomon theme and some of the same<br>Chords that Kraemer had used...<br>My mistake lol<br><br>And Balfe does seem like a genuinely nice person. Hell he even takes the time to put out unreleased music, not something most composers do. <br>That is exactly why I hate when people take personal jabs at composers (usually at Junkie XL for some reason). Itís fine to not like the music, everyone has different tastes, but donít criticize a composer for writing what he was asked to write.
I agree! He actually invited me to come to a recording session in London for this film, man it killed me that I couldnít afford to go. But I was so thankful he even thought to ask! Top notch guy.Say what you want about Balfe but he's a really nice guy, and always answers my questions on FB and others on twitter.I believe him as I didn't hear anything from Kraemer.I asked Balfe on Facebook if he used any of Kraemers theme and he said noI Know, Hybrid, just sayin' that i a fan of Benjamin Wallfisch's music Scores since lights Out to Blade Runner 2049 and i say this is another excelent Work from Wallfisch
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Transformers - Revenge Of The Fallen (Complete Score)
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  1. 17000 BC (1:26)
  2. Shanghai (1:03)
  3. Ice Cream Truck (0:15)
  4. Soldiers & Ironhide Get Ready (1:25) *
  5. Autobots Into Action (0:52) *
  6. Audibot (0:42)
  7. Asian Dinner Source (0:08)
  8. Audibot Joins In & Splits (1:51)
  9. Ice Cream Truck Melts (0:03)
  10. Wheelbot On Bridge (1:05)
  11. Optimus To The Rescue (0:49)
  12. The Fallen Shal Rise Again (0:30)
  13. Sam Off To College (1:29)
  14. Shard Drops (2:16)
  15. Shard Is Saved (0:31)
  16. Bee Weeps (0:55)
  17. NEST Opps (0:54) *
  18. Galloway's Arrival (1:03) *
  19. Galloway Meets Optimus (1:24) *
  20. Galloway Grills Optimus (1:40) *
  21. What If You're Wrong? (1:21)
  22. Tech Head (1:30)
  23. You Work For Me Now (0:17)
  24. Hot Freshman 55 (1:23)
  25. Mommy High (1:11)
  26. Ravage Drops His Balls (0:35)
  27. Reed Man (1:09)
  28. Diving For Megatron (2:33)
  29. Cakey Symbols (0:29)
  30. You Don't Need Me (1:35)
  31. The Fallen's Lair (2:25)
  32. Einstein Is Wrong (1:41)
  33. Chop Shop Torture (2:29)
  34. Autobots On The Move (1:17)
  35. Eighteen Inches Of Meat (0:21)
  36. Alice Secudes Sam (1:03)
  37. Alice Gets Angry (0:56)
  38. Escaping Alice (1:38)
  39. Helicopter Hell (0:27)
  40. Foundry Examination (1:58)
  41. Foundry Save To Forest Fight (1:24) *
  42. Forest Battle (2:22) *
  43. Prime Down (2:00)
  44. Decepticons Invade - Fallen On TV (6:18)
  45. Optimus Delivered (1:11)
  46. Don't Give Up (2:40)
  47. The Meat Locker (0:45)
  48. Drive To Robowarrior (1:19) *
  49. Simmons's Symbols (1:52)
  50. The Seekers (0:42)
  51. Simmons In A Funk (0:32)
  52. Fun With Tazers (0:38)
  53. Model Airplanes (3:09)
  54. Symbols In The Dirt (0:40)
  55. Jetfire Rambles The Plot (3:35)
  56. Police Chase (0:42)
  57. Planning The Drop (3:42)
  58. Pyramid Romance (1:06)
  59. Sam Gets An Idea (0:23)
  60. The Three Stars (0:34)
  61. Galloway Parachutes (2:03)
  62. Petra (1:47)
  63. Tomb Of The Primes (2:47)
  64. The Drop (1:30)
  65. One Man (1:44)
  66. We Need An Assist (3:56) *
  67. Sam & Mikaela Find Hut (3:33)
  68. Escaping The Suck (0:37)
  69. Green Twin Escapes (1:53)
  70. Bumblebee Attacks - Parents Goodbye (3:00)
  71. Bumblebee Kicks Ass (0:24)
  72. Simmons's Moment - It's A Trick - Wilder Chat (4:34)
  73. Precious Cargo (1:38)
  74. Devastator Blown - Orange Smoke (3:19)
  75. Sam Down - Infinite White - Optimus Reborn (3:50)
  76. Optimus Rebuilt - The Final Battle (3:22)
  77. The Fallen Falls (1:55)
  78. Sam Our Hero (0:41)
  79. New Divide - Linkin Park (4:29)
  80. Prime Suite (2:15)
  81. The Symbols Suite (3:35)
  82. The Fallen Suite (4:03)
  83. Matrix Of Leadership Suite (4:03)
  84. Decepticon Invasion Suite (4:28)
  85. The College Thing (Demo) (2:11)
  86. Optimus To The Rescue (Alternate) (0:44)
  87. Sam Off To College (Alternate) (1:28)
  88. Shard Drops (Alternate I) (0:26)
  89. Shard Drops (Alternate II) (0:36)
  90. Bee Weeps (Alternate) (0:56)
  91. NEST Opps (Alternate I) (0:33)
  92. NEST Opps (Alternate II) (0:41) *
  93. Galloway's Arrival (Alternate) (0:36)
  94. Tech Head (Alternate) (1:44)
  95. Reed Man (Alternate) (0:25)
  96. You Don't Need Me (Alternate) (1:10)
  97. Foundry Examination (Alternate) (0:33)
  98. Forest Battle (Alternate I) (1:00)
  99. Forest Battle (Alternate II) (1:04)
  100. Prime Down (Alternate) (1:29)
  101. Decepticons Invade - Fallen On TV (Alternate) (6:22)
  102. Decepticons Invade (Part 1) (Alternate) (1:00)
  103. Decepticons Invade (Part 2) (Alternate) (1:12)
  104. Fallen On TV (Alternate) (2:01)
  105. Optimus Delivered (Alternate) (1:08)
  106. Simmons In A Funk (Alternate) (0:35)
  107. Model Airplanes (Alternate) (3:20)
  108. Symbols In The Dirt (Alternate) (0:50)
  109. Planning The Drop (Alternate) (1:58)
  110. The Three Stars (Alternate) (0:40)
  111. Sam & Mikaela Find Hut (Alternate) (3:21)
  112. Precious Cargo (Alternate) (1:36)
  113. Optimus Rebuilt - Final Battle (Alternate) (3:22)
  114. The Fallen Falls (Alternate I) (1:55)
  115. The Fallen Falls (Alternate II) (1:56)
  116. Sam Our Hero (Alternate) (1:50)
  117. Decepticon Invasion Suite (Alternate) (4:25)
  118. Trailer Music (1:38)
*Contains excerpts from Linkin Park's New Divide
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Bayhem reply Replies: 1 || 2018-07-19 16:05:28
Re-listening the score again...Ö.Have to say, Lisbeth Scott's beautiful vocals are definitely one of the highlights. She's amazing. On par with Lisa Gerrard.

Speaking of, what the hell happened to MV/RC guys incorporating female vocalists in their scores? I've always loved that approach. But it seems that it kinda went away......replaced by more and more sound design! So except for this score (and Steve's Your Highness) is there a recent big MV/RC score that actually features female vocals? Maybe I'm missing some...Ö..


Hildy2018-07-21 04:41:00
MoS, TASM2

Bayhem reply Replies: 6 || 2018-01-15 23:15:06
Let's just do this. There are 5 whole TF scores, so how would you rate them?

This is me:


1. TF2 - it's weird, Steve said they didn't have enough time for this score, but the end result is in my opinion pretty spectacular. The choir work and the vocals by Lisbeth Scott are breathtaking. Not only the best TF score, but one of the best action scores from MV/RC. In my opinion, of course.

2. TF1
3. TF4
4. TF3
5. TF5 - it's not that I don't like it, it's just not as layered and memorable as the previous ones. In my opinion. Also, not enough choir and vocals for me. Very different from TF2.


Hybrid Soldier2018-01-16 00:12:03
Mmmmmh it's pretty hard to rate them... What I like with them is that they all sound so different from each other, sort of "the same but not at all"...

TF2 I think Hans & Lorne brought it weirdly too close to Angels & Demons in style, but yeah, it's my favorite, Steve wrote awesome themes for that one and Lorne pretty much wrote all the big action cues. It developped Transformers 1 themes the way a sequel should do (like POTC 2).


mpolonest123 2018-01-16 04:02:39
1. TF1- This one was an instant classic for me when I first heard it. It feels like Jablonsky went all out with fleshing out the different themes and creating a ďnewĒ blockbuster sound (even if itís derivative of other scores). Out of all the scores he wrote, I think TF1 has the best variety/themes.

2. TF2 - Probably tied with TF1 for me. While TF1 has the best themes imo, TF2 has the strongest development and overall highlights of the series. Infinite White alone is worth the whole score. And unlike most sequels, TF2 actually expands on the themes from the previous entry, like Hybrid said.

3. TF5 - While itís not perfect, I do think some of the strongest writing Jablonsky has done so far is showcased here. It shows how he has grown as a composer. Seglass Ni Tonday and Sir Edmund Burton are both beautiful suites, and the reprises of the old stuff are great. My only complaint is a lack of a strong villain theme and some of the action material is a bit unfocused.

4. TF4 - First to get my complaints out of the way... I still donít understand why Bay wanted to throw the original themes out the window. The new ideas are ok, but lack the memorability of the previous ones. Outside of that issue, however, I do like that they tried something different. The Imagine Dragons material is pretty effective, and Lockdownís theme is one of my favorite villain motifs.

5. TF3 - Honestly, I could never get into this one. There are some cool action cues, and Sentinelís theme is very strong, but this one lacks the strong themes and development of the first two. Iím also not sure why Bay decided to abandon the Decepticon theme. Also, I feel the temp tracking here moreso than any of the others.


Backbiter2018-01-17 16:02:34
1.TF2
2.TF5
3.TF1
4.TF3
5.TF4


superultramegaa2018-01-18 23:44:23
1. Jablonsky's release of TF5 - Wonderful, layered, varied, complex, and interesting themes, fun action cues, much more choir/orchestra than TF4 and 3, and finally shows Steve's true voice, with the Additional Music writers severely reduced. Plus he finally broke out of D minor, so he can't be called a Zimmer clone with this score.

2. TF2 - Since this score's mostly intact, and is a perfect sequel score, I rate this one above TF1, but I think the fact that a lot of it isn't Jablonsky holds it back a little for me. Nevertheless the work is incredibly impressive.

3. Complete Score of TF1 - When all of the substance isn't sucked out of the themes by the editing staff (arguably worse than TF5), the themes are as good as TF5, and the action scenes are the best of the series. It's rated lower because of the fact that a lot of it was the Additional writers and the comedic tracks are flat out terrible, or rip offs.

4. TF3 - Meh. It works, it's fine, there are good things in there, but the Inception and overwhelming Zimmer influence cannot be denied here.

5. TF4 - Good for you guys for liking it, but aside from Autobots Reunite, Dinobot Charge, Decision, Galvatron, and Lockdown... fuck this score. It's generic, boring, underwhelming, overwhelming electronics, stupid, awful sounding Imagine Dragons vocals, and a complete lack of emotion from me.

I don't blame Jablonsky for what I feel was a disaster with TF4. Not only was it rushed by (yet again), but Imagine Dragons' involvement proved only to be a detriment. Linkin Park annoyed me a bit in TF2 and 3, but Steve worked their themes into his style better. This one? How does a male vocalist who sounds like he's from every boy band ever fit into the Transformer score's or even Steve's styles? TF2 the woman singer gave the tracks an ethereal, and godlike feeling. She along with the assisting choir/instruments, brought real beauty into the score. Here, it sounds like generic pop, not even Imagine Dragons' style!

Anyway, sorry if that was too harsh but I needed to get that rant out of my system, and this seemed like an appropriate time. Sorry in advance.


Edmund Meinerts2018-01-19 10:23:29
For me TF1 is on top by a considerable margin.


superultramegaa2018-01-19 14:22:12
I can see why, but the fact that it's mostly a combo of Pirates of the Caribbean, Batman Begins, other Bay/Zimmer projects and King Arthur also weakens is a bit for me. TF5 has a few influences too but the score feels much more unique to me.

Brandon Thomason reply Replies: 0 || 2014-11-13 01:31:48
Hey Hans. You there? Check out my awesome remixes! Remixingmusicdotcom on youtube.

This is what your missing out of when you don't post the music to everyone... People can become CREATIVE!!!

Ds reply Replies: 1 || 2014-06-22 00:47:50
Just sayin', this cover is 100x better than the one you picked, Hybrid :p

http: //fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/330/e/f/transformers__reve nge_of_the_fallen_by_jaybo21-d6vsk8n.jpg


Evenstar2014-06-22 05:04:20
agree

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 3 || 2012-12-08 12:56:31
So, what's known :

Soldiers & Ironhide Get Ready => SJ/Ryeland Allison
Asian Dinner Source => LB
Audibot Joins In & Split => SJ/LB
Shard Drops => SJ/LB
Ravage Drops His Balls => SJ/RA
Reed Man => SJ/LB/Matthew Margeson
Einstein Is Wrong => SJ/LB
Chop Shop Torture => SJ/LB
Autobots On The Move => SJ/LB
Alice Seduces Sam => SJ/LB
Escaping Alice => SJ/LB
Helicopter Hell => SJ/LB
Foundry Examination => SJ/LB
Decepticons Invade - Fallen On TV => SJ/Hans Zimmer/LB
The Meat Locker => SJ/LB
Simmons' Symbols => SJ/Tom Gire/John Sponsler
Symbols In The Dirt => SJ/Margeson
Planning The Drop => SJ/LB
One Man => SJ/TG/JS
We Need An Assist => SJ/TG/JS
Sam & Mikaela Find Hut => SJ/Margeson
Escaping The Suck => SJ/LB
Green Twin Escapes => SJ/LB
Bumblebee Attacks - Parents Goodbyes => SJ/LB
Bumblebee Kicks Ass => SJ/LB
Simoons' Moment - It's A Trick - Wilder Chat => SJ/LB

:)


Edmund Meinerts2012-12-08 13:14:42
Aaaaawwww yyyeeeaahh... :)


T-Mann0362012-12-08 17:22:55
Freakin' EPIC!!!!!


RealFfingMusic2014-02-16 19:33:47
Why are these given as CD1, CD2, etc.? It's not like they were ever released.

Ds reply Replies: 0 || 2012-09-20 18:03:32
The tracks that contain excerpts from "New Divide" are the coolest. This song goes very well with Jablonsky's themes. Love "Foundry Save To Forest Fight"!!

Mr. Charles reply Replies: 3 || 2012-07-13 06:04:42
"The College Thing (Demo)" (#6 on Disc 3) is IDENTICAL to "NEST" off of the OST. Oh, and S/ash was right about his conclusion about all the suites just being off of the OST, they are.


Hybrid Soldier2012-07-13 08:33:26
It's not, Mr. Charles...

Don't know what people did, but the original thing is not...


Per2012-07-13 12:43:53
Maybe someone just compared the timings of the suite/"bonus" tracks with the OST tracks, and thought they were the same, and so they added them to their own version... ?!


Mr. Charles2012-07-24 00:41:55
Then why are they identical in length? They're the same exact piece I have...

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 0 || 2012-07-23 03:28:31
We all know that Steve have composed on most tracks. I just had a very curious thought. Since Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Gire & Sponsler, etc. had made some additional music. Does anybody know who compsed some of the tracks on this score? If not, please disregard that message.

Mr. Fate reply Replies: 7 || 2012-07-06 03:02:07
It's real.


Mr. Charles2012-07-06 03:06:28
Mr. Fate, you knew it was!! But alas, it has escaped the dark bowels of those whose hands it rested in and made it's way to the surface, along with DotM


Mr. Fate2012-07-06 04:41:00
I see that it is arranged slightly differently, though, no? Where I am looking to download this score, I do not see a long list that is solely alternates. Are the alternates missing, or are they simply in-line with the rest of the main score? Never mind, any way, it is still a great blessing to have this score.

Hell, it's great to have the whole trilogy! Thanks be to the elitists who wish to break the elitist image of "Look what I have and you don't!"


T-Mann0362012-07-06 07:23:06
Yes, Mr. Fate. It is real... and it's about freaking time!!!!


//////2012-07-06 20:44:42
"3m46 Model Airplanes" is definitely lifted from "Multiple Jacks" from At World's End. Starting at 1:28


Mr. Fate2012-07-07 03:36:43
Haha, it sure is S/ash; there's no doubt about that!

So does anybody actually know the whereabouts of all the alternates, suites, and demo. Perhaps most of them are on the recent leak but in different places.


//////2012-07-07 03:54:24
I've come to the conclusion that the suites are what's on the OST. Maybe not ALL of them, but some are. For example:

"Prime Suite" is obviously "Prime", track 1
"The Symbols Suite" is obviously "Einstein's Wrong", track 2
"The Fallen Suite" is obviously "The Fallen", track 5
"Matrix of Leadership Suite" is obviously "Matrix of Leadership", track 12
"Decepticon Invasion Suite" is obviously "Heed Our Warning", track 7


T-Mann0362012-07-08 15:10:29
I didn't know that, //////. Great deduction!!!!

Poe reply Replies: 1 || 2012-07-06 21:53:12
Mommy High is not on the recent leak?


Edgar2012-07-07 02:10:11
Oh... isn't that a blimp?!!!!!

Stygian reply Replies: 1 || 2012-07-06 08:45:34
@ all the elites: gf two of your most profitable assets.
well, formerly-profitable.
fxxxing get at me.


Hybrid Soldier2012-07-06 15:42:54
I didn't know a drop of water in a lake would be "most profitable assets" !

Lasse reply Replies: 2 || 2012-06-12 10:30:33
i think its funny that the soundtrack is so good, but the movies are soooooo bad xD


PhilB2012-06-13 08:46:46
don't you like them?
to my mind all the three Transformers films are very good and epic! ;)


Sean2012-06-27 14:56:49
Haha, I would have to agree with you on that, Lasse.

Mobile Home Alternate (4'45) * unreleased reply Replies: 1 || 2012-05-20 09:56:23
Mobile Home Alternate (4'45) * unreleased


PhilB2012-06-12 10:11:48
tell them at petitonline dot com ;) to release the expanded score! the more we are the higher is the chance to a release!

mori reply Replies: 2 || 2012-05-03 08:05:58
Hello guys.
I just wondering how could people have the imagination to think about this credits... anyway, I hope this is true and every fan could get this score in the near future.


Complete Score ?2012-05-14 21:27:13
unfortunately, i can't find this complete score anywhere? is it real or fake? Is it really exists?


Mr. Fate2012-05-14 21:37:54
It is most certainly real but, alas, it is not yet available to the public. And no amount of Googling and searching the Deep Internet will reveal it to you.

The big question I still have: why is this page still here? It serves no purpose apart from taunting and torturing the fans.

Stygian reply Replies: 0 || 2012-05-03 04:49:00
hmmm...i wonder if this'll get released.
and if so, just when.

Snakes reply Replies: 6 || 2012-04-26 01:16:11
So, This Finally Gets A Tracklist..... It's A Shame.


//////2012-04-26 01:25:52
Actually, Snakes, it's a shame all those times you posted what you posted. I don't understand you sometimes. Actually, I NEVER understand you. The last RoTF thing you posted was a fiasco, and pissed a lot of people off, including myself


Mr. Fate2012-04-26 02:26:12
Well, //////, you pretty much everything that needed to be said on that topic. I have one more tiny thing to add: Snakes' post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And another thing: This track list is the one that he posted in his last train wreck thread.

This post that I am responding to seems to imply that he's forgotten that he's already seen this track list and caused quite a shit-fest over it.


Snakes2012-04-26 03:18:26
That's Right. ALL Of My Posts Make No Sense, They're Bullshit, And It Was A HUGE Fiasco. So, Do Me A Favor And KEEP Your Posts To Yourself.


//////2012-04-27 15:32:42
Snakes, practice what you preach. Or rather, DON'T POST AT ALL


Stygian2012-04-30 01:48:59
oh wow....damn. wasnt expecting even a list for this shit to turn up at all.

well, just a matter of time now, i guess.


BOBO2012-04-30 01:57:37
Why does this even matter?

Let it go. Move on.

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2012-04-26 21:37:34
TO Hybrid: When will leak this???


Pants2012-04-27 09:41:14
MOUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Do you really expect an answer? Seriously...

Anonymous reply Replies: 28 || 2012-04-13 00:09:41
ok this is awesome. Now, can you leak the first transformers complete score. Only we have many several expanded / fan editions.


Mr. Fate2012-04-13 00:58:45
Sir, we have the complete score for the first Transformers in multiple forms. The music that is still missing is either film edits of existing tracks, which likely doesn't exist outside of the final draft of the film, and a few pieces of underscore that could have been either written in at the last minute and therefore also only exist in the final draft or temp tracks that could have come from some other source (that are locked up tight).

Anyway you look at it, I highly doubt we will be getting much more music in the way of Transformers 1. And people can't just leak scores at will.

Damn, I guess it's not that other people are getting dumber. It's more like I'm getting smarter, and I just have to keep explaining the same things over and over again as newbies come in.


Anonymous2012-04-13 21:19:01
well mr. fate you say this. but there is some unrealeased music, example "the boogey landing", before the soccent attack, when the helicopter is landing. another example, "...what wolud jesus do" when sam's teacher give him an "A", anyway call them undescore, few pieces, but the complete score (only the film version or the recording sessions) is the complete music like this. So, there are only expanded scores.


Mr. Fate2012-04-13 23:01:13
Okay, but we have both of those tracks. If I'm not mistaken, the cue before "Soccent Attack" is just an edited version of "Tense Action (Demo)", also known as "Tensation". This track appeared on the 72-track complete score that appeared two or so years ago (the one that had a couple of unused tracks and supposed demos). The track you referred to as "What would Jesus do" is just six seconds out of "Cybertron" (which version of "Cybertron"--I could not say off the top of my head).

Just recently, the "recording sessions" for Transformers 1 *were* posted on the internet. And guess what? The missing tracks--the film versions and "underscore" that were absent prior to its release? They were not included there. Do you know why? It's for the reasons I already explained above.

There's no point in arguing, because you're trying to argue that a true fact is false...It's not; it is true.

But if you wish to continue listing more examples of "missing music", I can continue to say that we do actually have (most of) it.


Anonymous2012-04-14 00:38:26
and the famous faked track "qatar", the film versions of Optimus, Bumblebee, The Opening credits (film version), and a lot of more Mr. Fate


Mr. Charles2012-04-14 04:28:55
Check the internet, they're available. I'm backing Mr. Fate on this one.

Although I am a little lost on how the "what would Jesus do?" comes from "Cybertron", but I trust Mr. Fate's judgement, as he's usually right

*** EDITED ***


Mr. Fate2012-04-14 04:40:18
Alright, I'll give you "Qatar"--if that's what you're trying to get at. ("The famous faked track 'Qatar'" is not a sentence.) That one is one of the missing pieces. The film versions of Optimus, Bumblebee, and Autobots are all that--simply film versions. Essentially we have them--just in the movie, bits and pieces were rearranged or had instruments taken out of them.

@Mr. Charles: In reference to the "What would Jesus do" cue: is it not chronologically after "Crazy Grandfather" but before "Angry Camaro"? By my documentation, it's just a little, short six-second clip that is a portion of "Cybertron".

I don't know how it can be so difficult to understand that those pieces likely don't exist outside of the film's audio. You can demand it all you want or have an unlimited amount of wishful thinking, but likely the best you'll be able to do is use a DVD audio extractor, and listen to the "missing music" with SFX and such.

That's not to say that I would like to be proven wrong one day, but I just don't think that's ever going to happen, given the circumstances.


Mr. Charles2012-04-14 04:58:11
Maybe Transformers will just be one of those notorious scores that will never see its full release. Like Judgement Day...


Per2012-04-14 12:05:15
"Just recently, the "recording sessions" for Transformers 1 *were* posted on the internet. And guess what? The missing tracks--the film versions and "underscore" that were absent prior to its release? They were not included there. Do you know why?"

Because the original source(s) of this "recording sessions" did not have them included !? ...doesn't have to be more complicated than that.

(To comment on the use of the phrase (or what you wanna call it) "recording sessions"; Usually the music you have on these unofficial versions are the same (recordings) as you hear on the OST (or in the film for that matter), right ? ... and when it's the same music, the same recordings, doesn't that make the music on the OST etc. a "recording sessions" as well ?)


Mr. Charles2012-04-14 18:26:41
Boy, someone oughta smack you upside the head and straighten you out. There is a MAJOR difference between an OST and Recording Sessions. I'm not going to get into it with a noob


Per2012-04-14 19:40:40
I see I probably should have placed a ;) or something at the end there... (I wasn't really wondering about it, so to speak)


Mr. Fate2012-04-14 20:10:22
Thanks for a bit of clarification to both Per, and Mr. Charles. Although I still can't quite figure out what you're getting at, Per. At first, it sounds like you're in agreement with me, but midway through your post, it suddenly looks like you're implying that I'm an idiot.

You said the same things I said, but to maximize the effectiveness of your post, you should have directed your response at Anonymous instead of me. Otherwise it appeared you were taking my question and then answering it with my answer and calling me dumb for not knowing the answer...which I've already given. You left off the last sentence of the paragraph that you quoted from me, which would have given you my answer.

As for your note in parentheses: you seem to have confused quantity and quality, Per. I've never known an OST for a movie to have near the amount of content as what can be found in that same movie's recording sessions. Case in point: Transformers. Also, the tracks that appear on both the OST and the recording sessions usually differ in quality, mastering and sometimes even instrument arrangement.


Mr. Charles2012-04-14 22:21:25
Well, I do believe The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo's OST had nearly the movie's length of score. The tracks may have been rearranged, but still. I think that is the only exception to a full film score being released on disc as an OST


Anonymous2012-04-15 01:26:09
"I think that is the only exception to a full film score being released on disc as an OST"

That's not true, there has been a good few score CDs that have included full scores!!


Mr. Charles2012-04-15 02:26:45
I said *I THINK*

I mean a commercially-released, brand new OST. Right when the film opens. Not 5-15 years later. Roughly 3 hrs of music came on the OST for The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo. That was a brand new release.


theeaglesfan0052012-04-15 04:43:46
the reason The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo was released in full.. is because Trent Reznor & Atticuss Ross are beast like that lol

i just wish more composers & what not did that

$14 for the lossless recordings <3


Mr. Charles2012-04-15 05:14:06
They are not "beast". I don't even consider the Academy Award Winners, yet unfortunately they are! But whatever, it is what it is!


Per2012-04-20 20:26:26
My point being that the term "recording sessions" is so over-used, that it has lost all meaning. People use it about pretty much anything nowadays it seems...

How I understand it, or if I use that term, it is in those cases where you have a recording of something before it's being mixed, i.e. string section only, brass section only, or the "rough" orchestra before it's being mixed down and together with solo instruments, choir etc.

I understand it's being used (or it was before anyway) when you have several alternate takes/mixes of many/all cues. And/or perhaps when you have (presumeably) everything recorded for it, including alternates/unused stuff etc. But since hardly any, if any version at all, does include everything made for it, there's not really much that can be referred to as being a "recording sessions"...


Mr. Fate2012-04-20 23:44:08
Yeah...Unfortunately, you're not quite on target there, Per. The recording sessions for a film's score don't have to come in a completely 100% complete form to be considered "recording sessions." Just look at the recording sessions for the first Chronicles of Narnia film--or, hell, Transformers 1. They are far from being complete, and yet they are labeled as "recording sessions". There is an immense difference between "recording sessions" and "COMPLETE recording sessions." Some of these releases labeled as "recording sessions" may only feature works by one or two of the composers who were involved in creating the score--sure they are the recording sessions of *those* composers, but they are by no means the COMPLETE recording sessions.

Also take notice to the fact that this page is for the RotF "Complete Score"...You can attempt to create qualifiers that can be applied to all classifications of scores, but you won't succeed. And I'm not even saying that I would be able to, either. Almost all kinds of releases for scores of any films are all their own unique cases.

Take these words from a guy who knows some stuff, and also from a guy who has been told that same sort of statement--the first paragraph--multiple times from another guy who knows some more stuff.


Dawn2012-04-21 01:50:33
Per is right... Recording Sessions means "all the music recorded for the movie". "Complete Recording Sessions" or other terms doesn't mean anything more.

Let's sum up :

1. OST (Original Sound Track) or Official Release. Music that is commercially available.

2. Promo Score. Music that isn't commercially available, but pressed by the composer as a showcase of his work. FYC (For Your Consideration) Promo means it was created for the Oscar members.

3. Showreel. Music that isn't commercially available. A mix of several cues from different movie scores, pressed by the composer as a showcase of his work.

4. Expanded Score (or Extended Score). Can be either commercially available or a bootleg. More music available than the OST. Some Expanded Scores have been labeled "Complete Scores" in the past (mostly because they contained over 90% of the music heard in the movie, and were missing only minor cues).

5. Complete Score / Recording Sessions. Can be either commercially available or bootlegs. They are both basically the same thing. Complete Score contains *at least* all the music heard in the movie, Recording Sessions contain ALL the music that was recorded for the movie (all film cues, demos, alternate cues, alternate mixes, theme suites...).

Complete Scores & Recording Sessions are sometimes mislabeled because they are nearly the same thing ("all the music"). "Complete Recording Sessions" or "Deluxe Recording Sessions", "Definitive Complete Recording Sessions" or "Extreme Definitive Complete Recording Session Deluxe" are also the same thing. Don't be too picky ! ;)


Per2012-04-21 09:54:18
"Yeah...Unfortunately, you're not quite on target there, Per. The recording sessions for a film's score don't have to come in a completely 100% complete form to be considered "recording sessions.""

I never said so either...


Anonymous2012-04-21 20:06:01
RECORDING SESSIONS - they are not necessarily complete, but a collection of "raw" music from the movie. This means they feature used tracks, unedited, unmixed, unused and alternate tracks, all together. For example, a cue that plays as one piece in the movie might have been composed of two separate cues, part A and B. Example - Batman Begins' Train Fight. It was recorded as two cues, but with the full intention to mix it into one in the movie. A scoring sessions will have that cue -- as we do -- in its two original A+B mixes. So even though the 3CD Batman Begins is not complete, you can call it 'recording sessions' or 'expanded score'. Both are right.

The Transformers score that was posted not so long ago IS recording sessions. Its raw, unedited music, with a load of unused tracks, demos, alternate mixes and rough cuts - and more importantly, that's the title on the Warm Butter DVD. It doesnt matter if its complete, Mr. Fate is right. IT IS RECORDING SESSIONS FROM THE MOVIE - in other words, a collection of individual sessions of recordings from the score.


Per2012-04-21 20:47:21
But it's not. The Warm Butter DVD has the finished, final mixed, completed cues . Just as you hear on the OST, or in the film. It might be different mixes, but it's still final mixes. It's not the raw, unedited (as in not put together and mixed etc) recorded stuff. Then you would have each session separately, brass only, strings only, etc.

Besides, this versions that was "posted" not long ago, is, like every version before, still a combination with the OST. Naturally, since the Warm Butter disc (unfortunately) did not have all of the score, including much of the stuff that was on the OST (Which in itself have a lot of theme suites, and this is how Jablonsky does it, he makes both cues for the film, as well as theme suites, so more than likely the versions of the cues as made for use in the film, does exist (outside of the film)...


Anonymous2012-04-21 21:41:06
"Then you would have each session separately, brass only, strings only, etc."

Lol, those arent sessions. They're stems.


Anonymous2012-04-21 21:59:56
Sessions have film mixes on, as well as unused, suites, alternates, etc. The Warm Butter DVD is recording sessions from the movie. It may not be complete, but its recording sessions. Just like Eraser, Blade and many other sessions that have leaked. Period.

Enjoy the music!


Per2012-04-21 23:17:16
"Lol, those arent sessions. They're stems."

Never said they were.

"Just like Eraser, Blade and many other sessions that have leaked."

... and Armageddon, Broken Arrow, Catwoman, The Chronicles Of Narnia 1/2, Equilibrium, Face/Off, Kingdom Of Heaven, The Peacemaker, Pearl Harbor, Poseidon, The Rock, Solomon Kane, The Time Machine etc....


Anonymous2012-04-22 00:22:21
""Lol, those arent sessions. They're stems."

Never said they were."

Yes you did. "...it is in those cases where you have a recording of something before it's being mixed, i.e. string section only, brass section only". Those aren't sessions.

"... and Armageddon, Broken Arrow, Catwoman, The Chronicles Of Narnia 1/2, Equilibrium, Face/Off, Kingdom Of Heaven, The Peacemaker, Pearl Harbor, Poseidon, The Rock, Solomon Kane, The Time Machine etc"

Um... most of those are not recording sessions. They are either expanded or complete scores. Naria 1 and KOH are the only one that comes close to the term, especially the latter. Do you research, Per.


Mr. Fate2012-04-22 01:02:11
I think the real problem here is that Per is one of those people who maybe doesn't think about what he is typing and he doesn't read his posts through once or twice before he hits submit. Throughout his posts, I'm seeing a recurring pattern: Per says something, someone corrects what he said, and then he comes back and says that he never said that thing in the first place (and most of the time he did say it, since it is quotable).

And honestly--not to stoop to trolling, calling people names, or getting pissy--but to me, Per's posts are kinda hard to read. Before I made that post on April 20, I read and reread his post over and over again to try and make sure that I was interpreting his words right. Clearly I was not...or was I?

@Per: it sounds like you never figured out that the recording sessions for Transformers 1 *did* in fact originate from the Warm Butter DVD. When you hear the recording sessions, and you view screenshots of menus on the DVD, both have the same origin. And you wanna know why so much of the OST is featured on the Warm Butter DVD? Because--guess what--the OST has origins in the recording sessions as well! It was not included as space filler. If you took any notice, you'd see/hear that the recording sessions versions of the OST tracks are mastered entirely differently.

I thank you, Anonymous person, for backing me up here!


Per2012-04-22 02:10:23
OK, I see I might have written that a couple of posts back. My bad.

This is not to start (continue ?) any argument/discussion, but just a simple question... what does for instance Kingdom Of Heaven have, to be considered a "recording sessions" over for instance King Arthur or Armageddon (to use a couple of my top favorites as examples :)), which then perhaps are not considered "recording sessions" (?), other than them not having so many alternates/unused versions as KOH have ?

If it's just that KOH have several alternates of many/all cues that makes it a 'rec sess', then we are agreeing with eachother.

As for my writing... I guess some of what I write can be hard to interpret. I do kind of write in 'riddles' (in question-form), and/or in sarcasm-form. Or something like that :)

Mr. S reply Replies: 4 || 2012-04-20 04:04:02
This won't see the light of day "ANYTIME" soon


Me. S2012-04-20 04:14:04
I'm not trying to be a jerk, or a "bitch" about this, but I'm just being honest


Power That Be2012-04-20 19:26:39
I can name three people in the world, individually, who have this. I won't, naturally, but it WILL come out one day. Once the elitists have traded it to death and cannot get anything else for it in a trade, it will surface. Mark my words.


Per2012-04-20 19:45:37
I don't think there's much of a secret that, oh let's see, Jablonsky himself have it (1), most likely also some of the composers who did additional music, like Lorne Balfe (2), Gire/Sponsler (3, if you count them as one) (then you already have 3 people !), and various other people working on the creation of the score, such as music editor(s), music engineer(s), (orchestrator(s)), etc etc... and not to mention several, or tens, if not hundreds, of other people not in the industry who has it by now. Cause let's face it, when it's being posted on a site like this, it's clearly that not only 3 people in the world has (access to) it...


Power That Be2012-04-21 19:56:47
I meant three people outside of the industry, naturally :P

...... reply Replies: 5 || 2012-04-17 16:37:11
this is exciting!


Elitist2012-04-17 16:49:31
Not so much.. in the end 3CD is so boring



Mr. Fate2012-04-18 03:46:24
Huh...these two posts don't look suspicious at all (sarcmark). Let's see: they were posted 12 minutes apart, and how often do responses on this site happen that quickly? Very rarely to never, that's how often. No elitist, if that rank is actually real, would designate himself as "Elitist". And who in their right mind would say "The 3CD is so boring"? Clearly, both of these posts were made by the same person who got impatient and made a feeble attempt at trolling noobs.

Well, sir, I'm sorry: you have failed miserably. And I probably didn't even need to point that out since it's been all day, and no one has responded to your topic. I could continue on, but in a nutshell: you lose.


Elitist2012-04-18 16:10:24
Don't you call elitists the ones who have this kind of stuff? How do you know if this is boring or not? Do you have this 3CD boot?


...2012-04-19 05:21:45
nobody has this score....


Mr. Fate2012-04-19 21:29:12
How do I know if it is boring or not? I'm afraid I can't answer that question very directly and precisely, considering "boring" is a matter of opinion. I doesn't matter whether I have this or not, and it also doesn't matter whether you have it or not, TROLL.

Calling something "boring" is an opinion, and it is your right to hold that opinion. Whether anybody possesses "the real deal" or not, there are still other ways of hearing more of the score than what was just included on the OST. And you want to know my opinion? I think this score is far from boring, and although I feel like they made decent choices in what to include on the OST, there are still a lot of cues and minor themes that are absent from it.

Several composers have given us enough tracks to nearly double the size of the OST (at least in track count, but maybe not length), and for that I am grateful. Beyond that, I might say there are only 5 or 6 more cues that I wish I could listen to in a clean form. Disc 3 of this set has some dazzling alternates that I wouldn't mind hearing, but really some stretches of the score, to me were generic...and, I suppose, a tad bit boring.

Overall, though, I would not call the score boring as a whole. Oh, and btw, with a line like "Don't you call elitists the ones who have this kind of stuff?", you are clearly nothing but a troll. People like you--I don't understand your existence. Your sole purpose here is to come and post things that will make other people angry...? What's the point?

...-,--- reply Replies: 11 || 2012-04-15 14:06:26
Stop the Bootleg crap


Anonymous2012-04-15 18:55:44
i second this.


Mr. Fate2012-04-16 00:32:02
What, exactly, is a bootleg in your mind (either of the two posters above me)? In your own words, define what makes a score be classified as a bootleg score. To me, that's always meant a score that was acquired through likely shady transactions of which the quality and possibly even quantity are uncertain, and there is a probability that some tracks may contain sound effects.

As far as I can tell, this simple track list for which the music has not yet been released does not fit any of those aspects.


Clay2012-04-16 12:05:23
"Bootleg" is a ratity item that has never been made commercially available, and that you can only find through "black market", or knowing somebody who is lucky enough to have it.

That also means you'd better not talk about it in a public place - as it is somewhat a rare/secret item. Revenge of the Fallen Complete Score is a rare item that isn't commercially available. I'd like it to remain secret, so I'm asking the people at h-z.com to remove this page asap !

The "elite" (as some people are saying) are those lucky persons who have rare items and decided (/were told) not to share the bootleg item. I hope you understand.


Mr. Fate2012-04-16 13:54:38
And who are you? Clay Duncan? (I'm not asking this sarcastically or trying to sound like a jerk. I really want to know who you are, thinking the administrators will immediately listen to you.)


Mark G2012-04-17 03:20:20
Haha "Clay", these things always come out mate. Just chill and relax. People have it, people gonna let it out, people gonna share. Why is that so bad? Is the world gonna end? Are people gonna die? No. Just let us enjoy the music, for Christ's sake. Or, here's an idea, put out a longer CD album so we can all be happy. Sorted.


Mr. Fate2012-04-17 03:37:02
^^^LOL!!! I don't even care if that's the real Mark G. (whom everyone has come to have such a fierce anger toward) or not! That response is freaking spot on.


Anonymous2012-04-17 04:52:52
in this context only, bootleg is music that is --not-- licensed for commercial release. it is one that only a few elitists seemingly have access to, and it is used for no other purpose than teasing (or sometimes making a fool out of) ordinary people, who themselves are universally making the mistake of thinking record labels have taken out from the albums everything that's good about the score.


Mr. Charles2012-04-17 04:57:28
Oh God....Mark G is back. I'm outta here


Anonymous2012-04-17 13:26:12
For this being a site about film music, you guys talk VERY LITTLE about the music itself.......


Mr. Fate2012-04-17 18:53:27
^^Well, you sure aren't trying very hard to break the truthfulness of that observation. Let's see you talk about music you've never heard before. In other words, how can we talk about film music if we don't have any ways of listening to it?

I could babble on but hopefully you get the idea. Ah, for teh lulz, I'll say it once more: "What else have we to talk about when the music the page is dedicated to doesn't exist for the public?" Really, all we *can* talk about is: who thought it was a good idea to create this page?, what's going here?, is the score close to leaking?, elitists suck. Please tell me if there is something I might be overlooking.


Poe2012-04-17 21:10:14
Well said Mr. Fate :)

anon189 reply Replies: 2 || 2012-04-17 00:04:25
I smell tomfoolery.


Areozz2012-04-17 00:06:46
Cool story bro.


anon1892012-04-17 00:11:32
I don't think this will be released anytime soon. And if it does, we're all lucky.

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 12 || 2012-04-11 13:28:36
I smell shenanigans if it's not available.


Mr. Fate2012-04-11 14:14:32
I call shenanigans as well. But sometimes when a list gets posted here and then removed, it's a sign that it will be showing up somewhere shortly. Isn't that what happened with the Pirates 4 demos? The only weird part is that that page got removed and even after the demos surfaced, the page did not return.

This is just the track list that came from some Wikipedia page that's been around for several months. A track list doesn't mean anything, although it does dazzle me with all its alternates.


Mr. Charles2012-04-11 16:36:08
I think that this WILL surface. Someone posted this list along with the art, did they not? This happened last year with Batman Begins & TDK. And around this time, too. It's bound to happen again. Maybe Hybrid Soldier will pop in and tell us what's going on? After all, he's the one who adds these!

But time will tell. I have seen the tracklist for the first 2 discs, not the third disc full of suites and alternates. Although the first couple of alternates off disc 3 are off the OST


Mr. Fate2012-04-11 21:12:10
And what creative album art it is! I'm being sarcastic as the art is not original or unique to this specific set of music at all.

I have this album cover attached to someone's rip of Magic Box Music's RotF tracks. Then again, the cover we got for that temporary PotC4 demos page used like a cropped version of a movie poster with Syrena inserted into one of the corners. But I digress/reminisce.

So, disc 3 is new to you? The track list matches the one seen here: h t tp://tfwiki.net/wiki/Revenge_of_the_Fallen:_The_Score#Record ing_Session_Cue_Sheet, except that, like you pointed out Mr. Charles, they've added in the suites from the OST (ahem! space filler!). But who would take the time to strip all the titles of their slate numbers? That has got to be some tedious work!

While I'm not going to assume that Hybrid Soldier is the one responsible for posting this list, I do hope he can show up and shed some light on the reasoning behind creating this page. I haven't seen him on here for quite some time, though. I don't think I've seen him since some foreigner,--with poorly translated English--tried to impersonate him. But, again, I digress.


Mr. Charles2012-04-11 21:34:13
And that is exactly what I want, Mr. Fate. To know the reasoning behind posting this, it's only going to cause trouble with everyone asking where to download it and if it's real and what not!

I did recognize the album cover as being from Magic Box Music's additional cues set, but it is slightly different! So you say over on the wiki page for this, the slate numbers are included?!


Mr. Fate2012-04-11 22:32:07
I'm not going to answer that question directly, Mr. Charles. You don't have to take my word for it; just go to the link I posted. There *is* a hyperlink in with my block of text. Or, if it is too difficult to find it, just use Google to search for the Wiki page.

I'll bet this page will be deleted within the next few days, eh? And then we will be left with no place to discuss it all--except, I suppose, the RotF OST's page. But, where is Hybrid?


theeaglesfan0052012-04-12 16:36:21
so does this mean it's going to leak... soon?


T-Mann0362012-04-12 18:42:49
They better leak it *beep* damn it... Or we'll see crapload of disappointing fans and supporters.


Hybrid Soldier2012-04-12 19:42:07
i've added the list and informations about the complete score, because those are so old news for me.


Kusi2012-04-12 20:19:11
... and when you'll post the same for TF3?


Mr. Charles2012-04-13 00:26:32
Ohhhh....they're "so old news" for him. Hah! Excuse us!


Ikari2012-04-13 00:47:19
Fake Hybrid Soldier !


Mr. Fate2012-04-13 00:53:33
You guys do know that the real Hybrid Soldier probably doesn't post here anymore ever since that one time that he said ONCE that a track list was old news to him. And ever since then, people mock him and impersonate him and scoff at what he said that ONE TIME. Anybody can type in any username here, and likely someone who was around for that incident has just come here and typed "That's old news for me."

We get impersonators around here, and that will guarantee we'll never get any helpful answers. And even if that was the real Hybrid posting that, I have to say: I'm on his side. This track list is old news to me as well. I've known about it since February. How do we even know that Hybrid possesses the music? Does it really even f*cking matter?

But I doubt it was really him. Hybrid uses proper capitalization, grammar, and punctuation, and I highly doubt he would use phrases like "informations" (which isn't a real word) and "so old news for me".

Losers. This is why we can't have nice things.

Hybryd2 reply Replies: 0 || 2012-04-13 00:38:14
Here we go again Hybrid. why can you just leak the complete scores for the three films and shut your mouth. we can get the complete scores not hear "this is old news for me" if you don't want to share nothing just don't post anything. we are here many many many fans, and your comment, it's an insult.

Phil reply Replies: 5 || 2012-04-11 14:22:57
yeeeeessss!

can't believe it!
pls tell me it's true!!! ;)


chris2012-04-12 16:56:37
Did you find this?


Mr. Fate2012-04-12 17:05:19
Does it sound like he just found it? You can't "just find" things like this laying around on the internet. If Phil had found it already, everybody would have found already. The internet isn't as flat/full of friendly people and delicious candy as so many HZ.com-goers seem to think it is.


Carnosaur2012-04-12 19:49:39
so it's legit ! I hope they will leak, fingers crossed !!


Phil2012-04-12 19:59:13
no i didn't find it!
;)


Mr. Fate2012-04-12 20:22:06
@Carnosaur: Uh, yeah, the track list is indeed legit...Or so we are assuming. Beyond that, nothing else is certain. What is so complicated to understand? I guess I need someone to come here who can explain the situation better than I.

Hybrid Soldier, even if you can't answer all of our questions, can you at least give an indication as to what is going on here?

Carnosaur reply Replies: 2 || 2012-04-11 12:09:23
Is this the real deal? I have found a different tracklisting for the sessions of revenge of the fallen


Mr. Charles2012-04-11 12:23:24
OH MY GOD


Carnosaur2012-04-11 14:39:07
Is this the real deal?

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