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Hybrid awhile back you said about the Transfiguration Suite that it was an "... 8 min segment of the New Hero version but in steroid mode, faster tempo (same as in Chasing The Convoy East) & percs added".
What 8 minute segment of the New Hero suite is it? Like, what themes are in it?
Regarding Man of Steel 2, Zimmer said: I have to have a think about that one, but maybe you'll get a new Batman if I do it ;). Regarding Interstellar, he said he couldn't say a thing because Chris Nolan would kill him, but he was still coming up with stuff himself, so he "doesn't really know yet".
There. Now you don't need to watch the interview for Rush. lol, kidding. It was an interesting one.
So your saying that Balfe did it or just Arranged it Or that Zimmer Did it and if he did what tracks did Zimmer Do himself on this score
In essence what did Zimmer do
Zimmer wrote a 20 minute long suite of themes for Batman (go look up "Wayne Manor Suite"), another 20 minute suite of themes for Bane (go look up "Bane suite"), and a suite of themes for Selina Kyle (go look up "Selina Kyle Suite... :P). All of these were released with the Z+ app. Anyways, these three suites contain most of what became the final film score (with the rest being music re-used from Batman Begins and The Dark Knight). So yes, the MUSIC is all Hans Zimmer. But the task went to Lorne Balfe, as well as some others, to arrange the music within the film/apply it to scenes, after having received instruction from Zimmer on how each scene should sound. The additional guys in TDKR didn't do much, really. They mostly just copied and pasted Hans' music, with minor variation, into the various parts of the film.
If you ask me, the music in this score is 100% Zimmer, with the exception of cues like "Special Forces Arrive" ("Underground Army" on the album) and "Gordon to Foley" (not on the album).
Funny, I just said this music is 100% Zimmer with the exception of a couple cues. Well, whaddaya know! If you look at the "see details", only Lorne Balfe was credited with "additional music" (meaning only he "wrote" any additional material), while the other guys are credited merely with additional "arrangements" (they exclusively used Hans' music and didn't write any new music themselves). I quite appreciate this score for the simple reason that crediting it to Zimmer alone is fair. Unlike Inception...
And sorry to keep posting, but in addition to writing suites and giving the overall concept of each cue to the arrangers (as well as supplying music for the arrangers to base their work off of), I'm sure Zimmer also did some of the scene arrangements by himself. I don't know which, but Hybrid was only able to give a partial list of credits that by no means included everything.
Is the amount of influence that Zimmer alone has on a project proportionate to how much he values said project? Like, if the music is all him, is that because he maintained tighter control over it than other scores? Or do the directors decide what they want?
Ok so basically Lorne was a music editor going by older terms.
Anyone know who wrote the "Gordon theme" in this movie? You hear it three times: when Gordon is unable to deliver his speech at the Harvey Dent Day event, when John Blake asks Gordon if he wanted to know who Batman was, and when Bane spilled the beans on Gordon's lie and John Blake subsequently chastised Gordon. It's a cool theme, but it's not in any of Hans' suites, so Idk if Hans did it or one of his buddies. lol.
An anonymous user said a couple days ago that he wished MoS had utilized its score differently. I wish the score in TDKR had been different, but it would have no bearing on the scenes--just the music used within them. This is a third film, and third films, such as At World's End and Revenge of the Sith, often have huge, monumental scores. So this is where my thought-process comes in. If you listen to the Wayne Manor suite, you'll hear Hans wrote a lot of truly epic, heroic, bombastic music, yet not much of it got used in the film and was instead replaced with either temp tracks from the previous films or regurgitations of old material. So here's how I wish the score had been done:
For example, for Batman's first appearance in the tunnel, they used a temptrack from Hans' LSI Extraction cue from The Dark Knight. This worked well and made for a memorable moment, no doubt, but what if, rather than using temp, they had instead used Hans' new variation on that motif beginning at the 1:10 mark in "Imagine the Fire"? That would have been awesome, if you ask me. We'd hear the same motif, but with enough newness to make it interesting. Or again, for the next part they temped a section of Batmobile Chase from Batman Begins, and this indeed worked well, but why couldn't they instead have kept the same basic cue, but added layers or made it more epic? Finally, in both the Wayne Manor suite and Imagine the Fire, Hans gave us a whole new version of Backup from Begins. So why couldn't they have used this NEW version, rather than temping the Begins version, for when Batman was pursued by the cops?
Also, does anyone else think that 0:00-1:09 in Imagine the Fire would have been cooler for the final chase than a regurgitation of the train fight cue from Begins? Additionally, I think that, instead of reusing the Batcave/A Dark Knight cue for when Bruce climbs out of the pit, it could have been cool to have used at least part of the from 4:46 onward in the Wayne Manr cue.
I'm sure I could think of more, but this was a long post. Sorry. I'm a nerd. i enjoy this stuff. Lol.
...at least part of the cue from 4:46 onward in the Wayne Manor suite*
Totally agree with you Mike. I wonder who takes this kind of decision (replacing new cues with temp tracks/old cues), HZ or Nolan or some producers?
Nolan, I assume. Read the booklet to the 2 disc Dark Knight soundtrack. He spoke about how he was initially just planning to temp TDK with material from Begins, but Hans and James insisted upon writing new material.
There's a set of tracks on YouTube called "Gotham City", "Gotham City Part 1", "Gotham City Part 2, "Gotham City Part 3", and "Gotham City Part 4".
Gotham City starts out with the choir boy from Barbastella/Rise, then for a few seconds has the muted percussion from Zimmer's TDKR suite called "The End". It then goes into the typical Batman Begins-style ostinato and two-note theme, and this is mixed with hints of the Scarecrow theme.
Part 2 also starts with the vocals from Barbastella/Rise, then plays the mysterious, Batman Begins version of the two-note theme, then is more variations on the vocal stuff.
Part 3 is the Deshi Basara chant played over a sort of ominous ambience.
Part 4 is the bat-flapping WHOOSH for a while, with the two note theme played behind it, and played over all of this is a bunch of Mel Wesson-style ambient music.
Anyway, does anyone know where these come from? Are they fan-made?
Those were included in the version of the complete score I downloaded and, fanmade or not, they're really pointless. Just redundant atmospherics really. I'm guessing they're from the Z+ app?
Ok, I know, I know. It's been said a billion times that the 116 track version is fake. I don't really want to discuss the SCORE, but the Bane Suite really sounds interesting. Im not an expert on sound quality, but at times it definitely sounds like its more than 98 Kbps (and not just the parts that could have easily been replaced by already released music in higher quality. Same with Moody Bruce Suite. The Cat Suite Im a little more skeptical about. I guess what Im saying is, has anyone authenticated the quality of these suites to make sure they're NOT the app versions. The transfiguration suite I believe is fake. In fact, Im willing to believe they're all fake. It's just the Bane suite that has me wondering.
Fake or not, what does the transfiguration sweet sound like?
*suite, Anonymous ;)
It's the album cue Imagine The Fire with some portions of Moody Bruce Suite. It's very likely that its fan-made. There is nothing new in it, really.
Yup, that sounds fake.
It is, the real New Transfig sounds nothing like that.
Tell us, Hybrid, do you like the New Transfiguration Suite? Is it a good piece?
Search the various discussions around, I've already answered that a while back.
Stop being a chick Hybrid -.- you also could have replied his question instead of bitching around.
Let me rephrase what I said before. To me, the Transfiguration Suite is utterly fake. I haven't listened to Cat Suite through. I don't care about the other suites (A Dark Knight, Bane Mezzo). What my question regard is the Bane Suite. The version I downloaded contains some interesting bits and sounds as if its better quality. Im not an expert, but Im also not an idiot. It sounds like or near 320 Kbps on my Sennheiser 280 HD headphones. Now, Im sure someone could have edited in parts of the score that are definitely 320 Kbps and mixed it with the unreleased material, but I just can't hear any seams or flaws in the editing. I would describe the differences, but I think I'll just upload it to soundcloud and maybe Hybrid could confirm its authenticity.
I hate to be an annoyance, but I did state originally that even I was skeptical about this. And, I believe others would be curious too. Maybe it's just that shred of hope that these suites could be out there in good quality, since others aren't willing to share them.
Check it out, people:
Hybrid, real or not? There are moments when it sounds like Moody Bruce Suite is better in quality, but I wonder if its just my imagination. Please feel free to add your own feedback, anyone.
The Cat Suite seems fake to me...
The Cat Suite sounds like "Mind If I Cut In?", followed by the app suite, followed by "Selina Finds Dagget". I highly doubt it's official.
The only things worth noting (though they are declared fake) are the imagine the fire film edits and the music before Chasing the convoy east. To me, those are impressive edits.
The Alt prologue track is legitimate, check out the extra percs in the action sequences towards the end.
The "Moody Bruce Transfiguration Suite" is not fake; it's simply under an alternate name. The original track is called "Aurora," and it was composed and released by Zimmer after the Aurora shootings. All the proceeds go to charity. Buy it below.
Is it just me or does this score seem kind of sloppily put together? No doubt Zimmer's suites are good, but the cues seem kinda poorly done. For example, the "All Out War" cue sounds like a fan-edit. "Sacrifice" sounds awkward in a way I can't quite place. Batman Chased sounds like a techno piece. "Rooftop Fight" sounds awkward without the end credits insert. "Fernet-Branca" sounds way too electronic. And I think it's telling that "Batman Chased", "Fernet-Branca" and "Rooftop Fight" were heavily altered in the film itself. Why? Because they could be a lot better.
Now be aware, I do like this score a lot. It does have some fantastic cues like "Prologue", "Bar Shootout", "Take Me to Bane", "Not Meant to Die Here", "Without a Rope", "The Slow Knife", "It Was the Batman", and "No Stone Unturned". I also love Hans' suites for the film. But the scores (read: cues) to the previous two films felt like they were superior in quality, and however much this score might work when played against the film, it's not the best listen by itself.
I think maybe they felt like they were superior because the previous two relied less on the ghost writers.
IMHO this is a much better sequel score than The Dark Knight was. There's so much new stuff in it. Most of the cues are new stuff. Tracks 12, 15-18, 32, 42-43, 48, and 50-53 (12 cues out of 54) recycle old material, but most of it still incorporates new stuff in some way. TDK recycled a lot of old cues (LSI Extraction, Trip to Hong Kong, You're Gonna Love Me, Gordon Is Dead, & Gordon Returns Home, and Wired) and didn't feel like its themes were as developed.
Whoa, man, don't hate on The Dark Knight. The reason a lot of cues were reused was because Chris Nolan loved the music in Begins and determined he "wouldn't need much in the way of new music for The Dark Knight" (see the booklet that comes with TDK's 2-CD release). I agree that TDK isn't as thematically developed (we have the Joker theme, which is used incessantly, Dent's theme, which is reimagined from the first movie, and the new Batman theme, which isn't used nearly enough), but I think the score is an admirable one. There are more new cues than you might at first think, but, in keeping with the Joker and the whole "chaos" theme of the film, they're more like "noise" than "melodious".
And I should add that, in my opinion, TDK was the one to perfectly balance the use of the DUN DUN DUN end credits theme. Batman Begins didn't use it enough, while The Dark Knight Rises used it any time Batman did anything even remotely sudden.
"The Dark Knight Rises used it any time Batman did anything even remotely sudden..."
lol, you can just imagine Hans or Lorne or whoever eagerly watching a scene they need to score and just WAITING excitedly for the chance to employ that music. XD
Aragorn, thought the same thing while watching the movie. I think they were in deep love with that tune (and so am i), and were incessantly thinking: "Come on, this is the last Batman we do, this is the last time ever we can use this, so LET'S GO!" :p
I like the theme a lot, too, Ds, and it made perfect sense to use it when Batman showed up in the tunnel (my favorite part of the movie) and when he saved Blake from the thugs, but when Batman said, "This isn't a car", we had just heard it in the previous scene. And when Batman appears out of the exploding building at the end, it sounds really forced.
I thought all the end music (basically the entire track "Rise") was just PERFECT. One of the biggest goosebumps i've ever had in a theatre (on par with Beckett's death in PotC) :p
I agree. Even though the last minute and a half was a blatant copy of the music used in the previous movie (see "A Watchful Guardian"), I for once didn't care (I usually hate it when a whole cue is copied exactly). The entire ending scene gets my emotions going every time. Especially when I saw it in the theater.
I know!!! The way the music kind of swelled when Gordon said, "They know. It was the Batman." and you saw them uncover the statue. There were manly tears, I tell you!
Where can i buy this? is there a complete score CD?
the OST doesn't have the end credits on it for some reason. And i can't find where the first section of the credits comes from. Its the same in all 3 films, but i don't know what the original track is, its similar to 1:10 of "imagine the fire" but its edited differently.
James, the End Credits is a mixture of the following:
--first, the end credits for all the movies is the first few seconds --second, the part from the "Fear Will Find You" album track when Batman and Selina fly away from Bane is the next few seconds --then the next part you're referring to is "Backup" from Batman Begins, with the end part edited more like the "Imagine the Fire" track.
To those who say Batman has no theme in these movies: he has a lot! By the end of the third movie he has two main themes (the two notes and the Dark Knight suite theme) and three subthemes (the beginning of the end credits music, the Why Do We Fall theme, which has several variations, and the heroic theme starting at 4:00 in the Imagine the Fire album track).
I wonder how it is that the end of Hans Zimmer's theme for Selina Kyle became the unofficial theme for the Gotham Police (you know, during the scenes when Bane had control of the city...you heard it in cues like "Special Forces Arrive", "Gordon to Foley", "Get Me to Fox - Gordon Arrested", and probably more).
I gotta say...really glad the fernet-branca track was edited for the film. the electronic sound of the original cue hurts my ears and the first instance of the two-note theme sounds like a fart. lol. same with batman chased, way too electronic. sounded like some pop song. lorne balfe is a good arranger most of the time, but in these two cases I can't say he did a good job.
I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but the film version of "Batman Chased" in one of my favorite parts of the whole score. I'd love to see it released! Though it seems unlikely that such a thing would happen. "Film mixes" aren't released often. The only cases that I know of are The Phantom Menace [Ultimate Deluxe Edition], which is a poorly-put-together version of John Williams' score exactly as heard in the film, and a special edition version of Danny Elfman's score to 1989's "Batman", also containing a film mix or two.
Oh well. We can hope, I guess.
Fernet-Branca (film version) is easy enough to edit if you have the track "Aggressive Expansion"--fiddle with the volume at a couple points, then replace the segment in Rise with the edit you just made, and you're good to go.
I agree. The album release is one of my least favorite soundtracks, but the score as heard in the film is one of my favorites.
Someone have posted the full recording sessions track list!
01. 1m0 v1.01 Logo (1:24) 02. 1m0 v2.03alt (1:22) 03. 1m1 v9a-1 Prologue (5:30) 04. 1m1 v11.2 Rev (5:34) 05. 1m2 The Truth about Harvey Dent A (1:36) 06. 1m2 v1.12 Rev (1:36) 07. 1m3 v1.08 (1:18) 08. 1m3 v1.12 (1:18) 09. 1m4s Source Cue #1 (8:02) 10. 1m5 v1.00 (0:16) 11. 1m6 v2.05 Uncrackable Safe (2:10) 12. 1m6 v3.04-5 (2:11) 13. 1m7 v1.14 He Was the Batman (1:01) 14. 1m8 v1.22 Nothing Out There For Me (3:08) 15. 2m9 v7.15 (2:29) 16. 2m10 v7.11 Bar Shootout (3:13) 17. 2m10 v2.01 New (3:12) 18. 2m11 v2.00+Ins (2:23) 19. 2m11 v1.00 Fix (2:23) 20. 2m11 v5.07 New mix (2:29) 21. 2m12 v4.04 (3:07) 22. 2m13-14 v1.00 Hospital Visit/ Bruce Follows Selina (2:23) 23. 2m13-14 v7.03 (2:24) 24. 2m13-14 v5.01 Fix (2:30) 25. 2m15s Source Cue #2 (8:54) 26. 2m16s Source Cue #3 (6:09) 27. 2m17 v2.00 For Old Time's Sake (3.23) 28. 2m17 v2.01alt end (3:35) 29. 2m17 v2.01 cello version (1:39) 30. 2m18 v1.00 Risen from the Darkness (1:46) 31. 3m19 Stock Exchange (5:05) 32. 3m20 v2.02 Batman Chased (4:30) 33. 3m20 v3.09 (4:30) 34. 3m20 v9.05 (5:02) 35. 3m20 v9.11 Fix (5:06) 36. 3m21 v2.01 Selina Finds Dagget (2:18) 37. 3m21 v4.04 (2:29) 38. 3m22 Rooftop Fight / Back to Batcave (4:08) 39. 3m22A v3.04 Rooftop Fight (0:52) 40. 3m22A alt ins (0:52) 41. 3m22B v3.04 Back to Batcave (3:18) 42. 4m23 v1.00 Handing over the Reactor (3:37) 43. 4m24 v2.03 Do you Feel in Charge (1:28) 44. 4m25 Batman Could be Anybody / Selina Apt. (1:49) 45. 4m26-27 Miranda Visits Wayne / Take Me To Bane (4:16) 46. 4m28 v3.06 The Shadow Betrays You (1:59) 47. 4m28 v4.00 (2:02) 4m28 v7.04 (2:04) 48. 4m29 v1.08 Airport Detainee (1:32) 49. 4m30 v4.01 No True Despair Without Hope (2:39) 50. 4m30 v4.01 Redo (2:43) 51. 5m31 v2.04 Board Members Taken Hostage (1:20) 52. 5m32 v3.01 A Child Born in this Hell (1:33) 53. 5m32 v3.07 Rev (1:41) 54. 5m33 v2.14 Cops into Sewers / Core Separated (4:36) 55. 5m33 v4.05 New (4:36) 56. 5m35 v5.03 Instrument of your Liberation (7:08) 57. 5m35 v9.07 New (7:35) 58. 5m36 v1.02 Gotham is Yours (4:46) 59. 5m36 v1.06end original (5:05) 60. 5m36 v1.08end more drums (4:46) 61. 6m37 v5.02 Born in Darkness (2:22) 62, 6m37 v7.05 cello (2:20) 63. 6m38 This is Bane's Prison (1:08) 64. 6m39 v2.02 Many Forms of Immortality (1:35) 65. 6m40 v2.05 There's A Storm Going On (1:21) 66. 6m40 v1:03 New mix (1:58) 67. 6m41A v3.03 Not Meant to Die Here (1:40) 68. 6m41B v1.05 No Ordinary Child (0:58) 69. 6m42 v2.00 Special Forces Arrive (3:10) 70. 6m42 v2.05 edit (3:13) 71. 6m42 v1.06alt-1/2 (3:24) 72. 6m43 v1:03 Someone Sold Us Out (2:34) 73. 6m44 v4.02 Fix Without A Rope (2:11) 74. 6m45 v1.23 Gordon to Foley (3:51) 75. 6m45 v1.23 Insert (3:51) 76. 6m45 v1.23 Ins+alt ending (4:01) 77. 6m46-47 v3.11 Get me to Fox / Gordon Arrested (3:54) 78. 6m46-47 v3.12 edit (3:54) 79. 6m46 v2.01 alt end (2:05) 80. 6m47 v1.08 (2:02) 81. 7m48 v2.02 Remember where you Parked it (1:04) 82. 7m49 v1.01 On Thin Ice / Batman Returns (3:46) 83. 7m50 v1.00 Come With Me (2:03) 84, 7m51A v1.00 (1:09) 85. 7m51A v3.02 (1:15) 86. 7m51A v4.02 Insert (1:15) 87. 7m51B v4.07 All Out War (4:03) 88. 7m51B v5.01 (4:04) 89. 7m52-53 v2.01 Not An Ordinary Citizen (4:47) 90. 7m52-53 v3.04 edit (4:50) 91. 7m52 v1.02 (3:31) 92. 7m53 v2.00 (1:56) 93. 7m54A v1.17 Imagine the Fire (1:46) 94. 7m54A v5.02 (2:19) 95. 7m54A v5.11 edit (2:19) 96. 7m54B v6.03 (1:26) 97. 7m55 v1.10 Chasing the Convoy East (3:32) 98. 8m56 v1:08 A Hero Can Be Anyone (2:36) 99. 8m56 v2.03 alt insert (2:36) 100. 8m57-58-59 v9.21 (7:07) 101. 8m57 v2.01 Sacrifice (1:40) 102. 8m58A v3.00 It Was the Batman (4:36) 103. 8m58B v1.01 No Stone Unturned (1:29) 104. 8m58B v2.01 (1:29) 105. 8m59 v1.00 Fernet / Branca (0:32) 106. 8m59 v2.01 (0:31) 107. 8m60 End Credits (4:16) 108. Rise (4:34) Moody 109. Bruce New Hero Suite (21:58) 110. Bane Suite (23:01) 111. Cat Suite (15:58) 112. Moody Bruce New Transfiguration Suite (8:50) 113. A Dark Knight Suite (5:12) 114. Bane Action 103 BPM Mezzo Suite (5:21) 115. The End (6:13)
Umm....WHY is this here?
Didn't the complete for this come out long ago? Why are we still talking about this??
My question exactly. ^
the complete has been shared... but not the recording sessions... if this track listing is from who i think it is, then FAKE
"the complete has been shared... but not the recording sessions..."
I guess it'll take you some time to realize this sentence actually doesn't make sense... :)
@Hybrid: Well... you could say the complete score covers the "complete" score you can hear in the film. Recording session would have demo, alternate and suite tracks as well. But that's a matter of opinion :)
Awesomeness yet again. The same guy with the great "Imagine the Fire" edit posted below has the Batman Chased scene now edited pretty much exactly in its film form (very minor sound effects). Check it out!!! :D
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Dude...I would be so happy if this version saw a release! Although I must admit, my own edit is pretty impressive. :P
Let's hope he makes good on his word and posts a Sound-Effects-Free version. :D
I think this prologue arrangement is the best I've seen. It deserves to go viral.
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Very nice, nina. Sounds almost like a very early edit of the real thing. Kudos to the person who made it.
The drums that kick in after Bane says, "The fire rises" are EPIC.
@Nina, I produced that track.
I guess a webmaster removed it, but I'll shamelessly plug it for context anyway.
watch?v=UVZm3uQFbgE or search for "Gotham's Reckoning "Prologue" (Re-Created)"
Hybrid, will Hans release the true version of Moody Bruce New Transfiguration Suite? If its definitely NOT Aurora, what is it then? Earlier you said it was a steroid version of Chasing the Convoy East track - if its what I think it is....this was definitely on the Bonus features and it sounded awesome!