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Why was there the change of composers?...wouldn't being really busy be an argument *for* him possibly being replaced? When you're signed on to 10 movies and release schedules are being constantly pushed around because nobody has a clue when theaters are going to open again, you shouldn't be surprised if eventually you might run into some conflicts.Jackman is not replacing Balfe! <br>Balfe is the most busiest composer at the moment so he isn’t going to get replaced last minute!!!!!Thank you for your replies. On IMDB she is listed.Alright, after re-listening to the score, I've made a few educated guesses of what the additional composers did, based on what we know about the score and their previous work. Note that none of this is confirmed by Hybrid, just my opinion.<br><br>Lorne Balfe: Seems to practically be a co-composer here. I hear a lot of him in this score. It seems he did Invasion (as he's known for contributing trailer music to films he works on) seemingly the suites "Brooding", "Deciphering the Signal", "Battle", and the one we know he cowrote, "Journey Suite". Based on this here's my guess as to what he contributed. <br><br>Soccent Attack - Sounds like his style, probably him arranging AllSpark and Decepticon material. <br><br>Keller's Briefing - Arrangement of "Deciphering the Signal"<br><br>Deciphering the Signal - Obviously another arrangement of "Deciphering the Signal" with Batman Begins-like action at the end.<br><br>Sam's Pink Bike Ride (Part 2) - Sounds like an arrangement of "Brooding" material. <br><br>(Possibly?) Are You LadiesMan217? - Some arrangement of "Brooding" and "Journey Suite" material, although hard to say whether the theme at 1:10 is Steve's or Lorne's. Could be Steve arranging Lorne material, as it sounds more Jablonsky-esque to me. <br><br>Autobots to the Rescue - Could be Steve imitating Batman Begins style, but sounds far too Lorne for me to not consider it a co-written track. <br><br>Sector 7 Chase - Part 1 sounds more Jablonsky than Lorne, but there's no question to me that part 2 has a lot of Balfe in there. <br><br>Where Is My Car? - Batman Begins-like again, probably Lorne solo, or Lorne and Steve<br><br>Decepticons Mobilize (Part 2) - Arrangement of "Brooding"<br><br>Freeway Fight - Battle version of Decepticon theme from "Brooding"<br><br>Stumble Bumble (Part 1) & (Part 2 Alternate) - Arrangement of "Journey Suite", second part not used in the film sounds like Steve & Lorne Combo to me. Film version of part 2 sounds pure Steve to me. <br><br>You're A Soldier Now (Parts 1 & 3) - Lorne being heavily involved in the final battle is known, and Parts 1 and 3 have arrangements of Lorne material. I'm also fairly certain that Lorne wrote the Optimus vs Megatron theme from Part 3 and "Optimus vs Megatron".<br><br>Optimus vs Megatron - Finale of theme introduced in "You're A Soldier Now (Part 3)" as well as the "Journey / AllSpark" theme which could be Lorne's or Steve's. <br><br>Trevor Morris: I can infer from his work on Pirates 2, The Island, and the one track we know he worked on. <br><br>Soldiers Arrive - Not sure why, but I've always assumed this military theme was Morris'.<br><br>Arctic 1897 - Dark theme that reminds me a lot of his work from Pirates 2. <br><br>Scorponok - Known fact that he co-wrote this. <br><br>Hoover Dam - Arrangement of military theme<br><br>Transforming -  Same theme from Arctic 1897<br><br>Sam on the Roof (Part 2) - Arrangement of theme from Scorponok, though could be Steve or Lorne arranging it.<br><br>Optimus vs Megatron - A slight hint to the Military theme when they begin attacking Blackout, and Scorponok theme reprisal, once again could be Steve or Lorne arranging these themes. <br><br>Creeper Suite / A Call to Arms (Unused) - Original music for Optimus' Epilogue, contains arrangement of military theme. <br><br>Jay Flood: Can be inferred from his work on Transformers: The Game, his overall more orchestral writing, and his contributions to Nightmare on Elm Street, Sims 3, and Desperate Housewives. <br><br>Camaro on the Run - Definitely has a TF: The Game sound to it overall. As well as a bit of Thomas Newman-esque music. <br><br>Witwicky (Parts 1-3) - Definitely some of his style here along with Steve's overall Desperate Housewives-esque music. <br><br>Decepticons 2 Suite / Frenzy - The suspenseful strings make me think of Flood's Nightmare on Elm Street work, and the brass writing seems more characteristic of him than Jablonsky to me, though it was still probably a co-written suite. <br><br>Tense Action Suite - Once again reminds me of Flood's Nightmare suspenseful string writing, probably at least co-composed with Jablonsky. <br><br>Clay Duncan - I can guess somewhat based on his contributions to "The Island" but otherwise I don't know much about him so I'm not sure about any of the inferences I'm about the make. <br><br>Angry Camaro - This sort of drone music sounds like it could be him as his contributions were very electronic in The Island.<br><br>Bumblebee vs Barricade - Strange electronics and sounds plus more minimalist writing make me think Duncan. <br><br>Tow Truck Charge - Definitely has The Island's sound. Could be Trevor Morris too. <br><br>TJ Lindgreen: I know so little about his style except he works with Elfman and did additional music for TF: The Game so not much I can say for what he did. <br><br>Belly Shot(?) - The ethereal choir style sounds somewhat like TF: The Game's score and Elfman's choir. <br><br>Not to Hear That(?) - Maybe he composed this motif for Mikaela that also appeared in "Belly Shot". <br><br>Surreal Mikaela(?) - Once again I'm hoping the specific choir sound is part of his style. <br><br>Anything I didn't mention is a track I'm assuming is all Jablonsky. Please note that I'm not trying to take away from Steve's work on this score, and that for most of these track I'm assuming Steve had some involvement in as well, I'm just speculating for fun because I've always wanted to know who did what on this score.
LP sadly, but it's also on Spotify.Technical reasons ! lol ;)<br><br>But she was there.Most welcome news. Should be a nice replacement for the Fantastic Beasts score that will have to have been pushed off. I imagine his work on Jungle Cruise will be great as well. 2021 is looking pretty exciting for score releases!She definitely performed on the score, I don't know why she is uncredited...The poster shows Lorne Balfe as the composer.<br><br>But then it also did have Desplat!
So no solo cello by Tina Guo? Is it digital then or is it no cello?CD or LP release?Why is Lorne Balfe not nominated for a Grammy for Ad Astra ?To my understanding, James never worked for Hans or Remote Control. They’re simply friends and have collaborated on a few projects. Powell (and Gregson-Williams) used to work at Remote Control before moving on to his own studio/endeavors. <br><br>BUT, I am equally as excited for James to return to Disney Animation. Very excited for this and Jungle Cruise.I guess James Newton Howard doesn't count as a Remote Control composer anymore (and yet John Powell does? I don't get it), but anyway, he's scoring Disney Animation Studios' Raya and the Last Dragon. After his epic trilogy of Dinosaur, Atlantis, and Treasure Planet, I welcome his return to the studio!
Some original cue titles with slates from a music mixing CD-R:<br>1M13 Transactions<br><br>2M16 Jake Gets Stoned<br>2M20A Alley<br>2M21 Rapists Castration<br><br>3M24 My Old Division<br>3M27 Go Fetch Dog<br>3M30 The Freeway<br>3M32 Alonzo Steals Money<br>3M33 Into The Jungle<br><br>4M41 Safety Is First / Busting Into Rogers<br><br>5M46 Helicopter<br>5M48 Sunset / Wet Streets<br>5M51 Jake Gets Beaten<br>5M52 Smiley Calls His Cousin<br><br>6M57 On The Roof<br>6M58 Jake Lands On Car<br><br>7M61 Alonzo Dies<br>7M63 Sun ShotMovie credits:<br><br>Music by Hans Zimmer & David Fleming<br><br>Music Supervisor: Joe Rudge<br><br>Score Produced by Hans Zimmer<br>Supervising Music Editor: Ryan Rubin<br>Music Editor: Nate Underkuffler<br>Music Production Services: Steven Kofsky<br>Additional Music by Ben Powell<br>Featured Guitar Soloist: Derek Trucks<br>Score Mixed by Seth Waldmann<br>Score Mix Assistant: Aldo Arechar<br>Technical Score Engineer: Chuck Choi<br>Technical Assistants: James Grimwade, Aldo Arechar, Steven Doar & Fabio Marks<br>Synth Programming: Hans Zimmer<br>Digital Instrument Design: Mark Wherry<br>Digital Instrument Preparation: Taurees Habib, Raul Vega, David Naroth & Paul Salerno<br>Studio Manager for Remote Control Productions: Shalini Singh<br>Assistant to Hans Zimmer: Cynthia Park<br>Score Mixed at Remote Control Productions, Santa Monica CA<br>Music Clearances: Jessica Dolingerthats trueCan't think of a more meaningless and laughable award than the Oscar.an oscar for this one? nahh...<br>maybe he gets a nomination for dune or bond
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  1. Opening - Gallows (1:32)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski (Lyrics: Ted Elliott, Terry Rossio)
  2. Arrive In Singapore (2:17)
    Hans Zimmer
  3. Mission Impossible (Part 1) (0:25)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  4. Mission Impossible (Part 2) (1:00)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Tom Gire, John Sponsler (Klaus Badelt)
  5. Entering The Bath House (2:52)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli (Klaus Badelt)
  6. Steam Room (0:41)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler (Klaus Badelt)
  7. Sao Feng Negotiation (5:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli, Lorne Balfe
  8. Battle With The Brits (2:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Tom Gire, John Sponsler (Klaus Badelt)
  9. Battle Continues - Will Makes Deal (1:34)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  10. Crew Embarks (1:46)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman, Atli Örvarsson
  11. Trying To Get Lost (5:05)
    Hans Zimmer
  12. Davy's Tear (3:56)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  13. Over The Edge (2:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Henry Jackman
  14. Multiple Jacks (7:29)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson
  15. Crew Arrives (Part 1) - Crabs (0:21)
    Atli Örvarsson
  16. Crew Arrives (Part 2) - Davy Jones Locker (1:18)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson
  17. Rescue Jack (2:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson
  18. Who's Captain? - Below Deck (2:07)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  19. I See Dead People In Boats (4:20)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  20. Dreadlock Jack (1:59)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson, Henry Jackman
  21. The Green Flash (3:50)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  22. Pull Your Guns (0:45)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  23. Jiggy Kraken (3:58)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli (Blake Neely)
  24. Jack & Beckett (8:33)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Lorne Balfe
  25. Elizabeth Is Calypso (2:00)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  26. Sao Feng's Death (1:35)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli, Lorne Balfe
  27. Chinese Captured By Brits (0:40)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  28. Bootstraps - Elizabeth Locker (2:25)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  29. Jack Catches Will (Part 1) (1:00)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  30. Escape - Norrington Dies (4:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson (Blake Neely)
  31. Mrs. Fish (1:18)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  32. Will & Beckett (1:28)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  33. Shipwreck Cove (0:53)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli
  34. Brethren Court Begins (1:21)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Lorne Balfe
  35. Barbossa Lobbies (1:04)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  36. Davy Jones Visits Tia Dalma (3:48)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Lorne Balfe
  37. Jack Lobbies (1:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson
  38. Teague & The Code (1:36)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Atli Örvarsson
  39. Elizabeth Declares War - How's Mum? (1:19)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  40. Parlay (2:13)
    Hans Zimmer
  41. Exchange Jack For Will (2:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  42. Multiple Jacks In Brig (Part 1) (0:22)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson
  43. Multiple Jacks In Brig (Part 2) (0:44)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson
  44. Calypso On Deck (0:48)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli (Klaus Badelt)
  45. Releasing Calypso (4:41)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  46. Hoist The Colours Declaration (2:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Nick Glennie-Smith
  47. Maelstrom (Part 1A) (5:26)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  48. Maelstrom (Part 1B) (1:22)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Tom Gire, John Sponsler (Klaus Badelt)
  49. Maelstrom (Part 2) (1:27)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  50. The Wedding (3:11)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Henry Jackman (Klaus Badelt)
  51. Getting The Chest (5:04)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler (Klaus Badelt)
  52. Davy's Death (2:50)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Henry Jackman (Klaus Badelt)
  53. Liftoff (2:22)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  54. Beckett's Death (5:05)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson (Klaus Badelt)
  55. Celebration (1:44)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  56. Will & Bootstrap (2:28)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  57. Tender Times (2:40)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  58. Black Pearl Is Missing (1:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  59. Jack Sets Sail (1:28)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  60. End Titles (1:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  61. End Credits (Green Flash) (2:15)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  62. End Credits (Hoist The Colours) (5:32)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Nick Glennie-Smith
  63. Waiting For Will (0:52)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  64. New Love Suite (11:45)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  65. Beckett Theme (Original Demo) (6:52)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  66. The Pirate Lord Of Singapore (Album Suite) (5:58)
  67. Lord Cutler Beckett (Album Suite) (8:48)
  68. Marry Me (Album Suite) (11:37)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  69. Just Good Business (Album Suite) (5:56)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  70. Hoist The Colours Suite (Album Suite) (5:44)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Nick Glennie-Smith
  71. Jack & Beckett (Alternate) (6:18)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Lorne Balfe
  72. Sao Feng's Death (Alternate) (1:35)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli, Lorne Balfe
  73. Shipwreck Cove (Alternate I) (0:54)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli
  74. Shipwreck Cove (Alternate II) (0:53)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli
  75. Parlay (Alternate) (2:12)
    Hans Zimmer
  76. Hoist The Colours Declaration (Alternate) (2:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Nick Glennie-Smith
  77. Maelstrom (Part 1B) (Alternate) (1:20)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Tom Gire, John Sponsler (Klaus Badelt)
  78. The Wedding (Alternate) (3:10)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Henry Jackman (Klaus Badelt)
  79. Getting The Chest (Alternate) (5:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler (Klaus Badelt)
  80. Beckett's Death (Alternate) (5:04)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson (Klaus Badelt)
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Tech49 reply Replies: 9 || 2020-08-14 18:50:07
I was recently revisiting all of this scores and I was wondering...

Could anyone help me identify all of the themes from the whole saga and tell mewhat they represent?

I already got a lot of them like the Kraken, Davy Jones, Mermaids, the main theme, etc. But others are still a bit confusing on what they represent, like for example the theme Neely and Badelt created in the first movie that were used in the following movies.

Thanks in advance!


mpolonest1232020-08-14 19:21:43
I did a breakdown for the hell of it a while back, the sheer amount of themes/motifs is astounding, not quite as many as Lord of the Rings or Star Wars but very close!

It’s tricky to really place some of the theme meanings in as much as they were repurposed for the other films through temp tracking.


Hybrid Soldier2020-08-14 20:00:48
Well it's complicated cause on the first film it was done such in a hurry that some themes became more "situation themes" than "character themes". But yeah, there's a loooooooooooot !


Tech492020-08-15 10:11:07
mpolonest123, is there a way I could read your breakdown? I would be really interested on taking a look at it

And yeah, I know there are a lot of themes and their associations are really confusing specially during the first movie, I guess because of the rush job. It's funny how as the saga progressed theme associations became clearer, at least most of the times.


mpolonest1232020-08-15 15:58:15
Can’t seem to find it, I had it stored on an old computer which may not have backed up. Off the top of my head though (perhaps Hybrid can clarify the actual names, I’m just guessing here):

Curse of The Black Pearl:
Main Pirates Tune
Will and Elizabeth
Turner Theme
Jack Cello Theme
Jack Motif
Jack Hero Tune
Curse Theme
Pirates March
Skeleton Dance
Barbossa Motif
Barbossa Theme 2 (?)
Action Motif
Tortuga Stinger

Dead Man’s Chest:
New Jack Theme
New Jack Action Theme
Beckett Motif
Davy Jones Theme
Kraken Theme
Cannibal Island Theme
Tia Dalma Theme

At World’s End:
Pirate Lord of Singapore
Beckett Theme
Beckett Theme 2 (Betrayal Tune)
World’s End Theme
New Love Theme
Hoist The Colors Tune
Duduk Tune

On Stranger Tides:
Mermaids/Fountain Theme
Blackbeard Theme
Angelica Theme
Spanish Tune


mpolonest123 2020-08-15 15:59:22
Like I said, this is all just off the top of my head. The titles I either made up, guessed, or pulled from the cue names. And of course there is probably still some missing...


Tech492020-08-16 00:53:08
Wow, that's a lot of themes!

The ones from 2, 3 and 4 I got them more or less identified, but I'm having trouble figuring out to what themes do your refer on the first movie

Main Pirates Tune is the beginning of He's A Pirate, Will and Elizabeth I guess is Smitten Will, Turner Theme is the opening of Blood Ritual from the album (Bootstrap Bill on sessions). Jack Cello is the opening of Fog Bound on the album (Breaking Chains on sessions), Jack Motif is the ending of The Medallion Calls and I guess Jack's Hero Tune might be the one that plays in the middle of He's A Pirate.

Curse Theme and Pirates March I guess are the Badelt themes that appear in Fog Bound in the sessions, but I cannot figure out what Skeleton Dance refers to, and I don't know what Barbossa's theme is. Is it the theme that appears in You Know Nothing of Hell, at the beginning of Story of the Medallion, etc?

And finally I suppose Action Motif refers to the motif that pops up in many of the action cues such as Jack's Escape or Swordfight right?

Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it!


mpolonest123 2020-08-16 02:08:36
Yeah you’re spot on with most of those.

Jack’s Hero Theme is the second half of “The Medallion Calls”, it’s more of his entrance theme really. Skeleton Dance is the “Moonlight Serenade” piece, the crazy bit that Geoff wrote for that scene.

Technically Barbossa has two themes, one is the piece from “Time to Go Poppet” (moreso for the island/curse if I had to guess) and his actual theme being the opening to “Curse is Reversed”. Like Hybrid said, it’s tricky to really grasp where each theme belongs.

The action motif I was thinking of was specifically the one at 1:35 on the Pirates demo from the official albums (Day One something something). Technically there are several action motifs though, if you really want to break it down.


superultramegaa2020-08-17 22:22:46
Will & Elizabeth don't actually get a love theme until the third movie (and even that's debatable as it's also used for adventure and discovery scenes). Their "theme" in the first film is just a slow tempo version of the main theme from "He's a Pirate".

This is to illustrate their arcs of becoming more pirate-like by the end of the movie (reflected in how the full version of the pirate theme plays when they team up together in the climax.)

There is also one theme you forgot about which is the Death theme that plays throughout "Curse Reversed" and replays in both visits to Tia Dalma's house in the second movie, along with Barbossa & Jack's conversation about death in the third movie.


mpolonest123 2020-08-18 02:30:45
@superultramega

Good call, there are probably a handful of ones that I forgot. I know AWE has a recurring ostinato that is repurposed for On Stranger Tides.

As for Will and Elizabeth, you are right in it essentially being a slowed version of He’s A Pirate. I would almost say it could be considered Pirates Tune (Slow Version) in the way it is used in the film.

Rafael reply Replies: 3 || 2020-06-13 21:13:29
These are the cues I believe that were written by Hans Zimmer himself:

This site does a marvelous job showing the involvement of the several writers by cue. Despite that, it's still hard to tell at times where the involvement of the main composer ends and the additional composer starts. Usually when a track is credited as "Hans Zimmer, Additional Composer XY" we can assume that the latter wrote the cue based on HZs themes. However, the cues "Turkish Prison" and "Rum Locker" from DMC show that when Zimmer does write a cue on his own, he is not hesitant using motifs and ideas from his teammates. If Klaus Badelt and Blake Neely just happened to be involved in any other part of DMC, the credit would look like the example I made above. Therefore we would assume that they wrote the track based on HZs themes, which isn't the case. What I'm saying is that there are probably much more tracks Zimmer wrote himself based on motifs and ideas from someone else and gave him therefore co-credit. So I tried to figure out which tracks could have been like that, but needless to say, I wasn't there and have no evidence other than trusting my own ears. It's very likely that I am mistaken here and there, so take this with a grain of salt of course.

The Whipping Scene (from DMC)

Nick Glennie-Smith got credited for this one, but I think he was more of an influence rather than the actual writer. Listen closely to 0:36 of "No Survivors" (a NGS cue). This intense crescendo already existed in CotBP, but with the notes of the underwater march theme (3:16 of "You know nothing about hell"). For DMC the notes were changed to the rhythm that accompanies the Davy Jones theme in his suite. This change was probably made by NGS, but except for the notes being changed, this statement is still similar to CotBP.
So, back to "The Whipping Scene". Listen to 0:44. Same intense crescendo, same Davy Jones notes, but it has a different rhythm than "No Survivors" and any of the CotBP statements for that matter. So my assumption here is that NGS first came up with the idea to change the notes, and then Zimmer kept NGS notes, but changed the rhythm. It wouldn't be the only time Zimmer used this crescendo, it's heard in "Rum Locker" (a HZ cue) at 2:16 without a definite theme.
Another thing is the "Dark" Theme at 1:23. This statement is dedicated to Will and is definitely the most dramatic statement in the film. The only other time it is both as dramatic and used as a theme for Will is in "Beckett's Death". Which brings me to:

Beckett's Death

This one just screams Hans Zimmer to me. Aside from the "Dark" Theme for Will, the melody during Beckett's death is pretty similar to the King Arthur rip-off in "Abandon Ship". Zimmer has the tendency to write entirely new melodies for his solo cues that don't get repeated and this is especially noticable here.
I'd say the Örvarsson credit exists because he probably wrote the ostinato at the beginning. I'm sure "Norrington dies" is his cue.

Releasing Calypso

I'm not so sure about this one as with the others, but here again a couple of melodies appear as a one off, such as the epic orchestral swell when Calypso is growing.
This one's a pretty vague explanation, and I'm not surprised if you don't buy it.

Teague and the Code

If this really is Zimmer, he’s using Atli's variation for the Jack Theme. This statement is somehow distinguishable from the other ones, it sounds even weirder. I also get a strong Sherlock Holmes vibe for this one. Not to forget, the latter half includes a choral statement of Hoist the Colors, which probably was the basis for NGS' declaration cue.
But what is obscure to me is that this cue was included on the official album release, whereas IMO much more important cues like "Maelstrom pt1" went missing. I'm sure every HZ cue made it to the album, and when big action cues get ditched in favor to include a cue like this, I'd say it's a pretty big hint.

So if you made it until here, what do you say? Am I making sense or am I just making vague assumptions? I guess we will never know for sure, but I hope I could bring a little bit of clarity.


Hybrid Soldier2020-06-13 23:33:06
It is indeed very complicated and goes way beyond than a simple temptracking of theme suites and Hans would select who would do which cues on a meeting and then leave... :D

It doesn't work like that, and many parameters count here. Hans can write a v1 of a basic cue, get an additional composer flesh out v2. Said cue could be rejected and then Hans would redo v3 but using what was "right" in v2 (cue Commandeering The Interceptor in POTC 1 is an example, Hans finished that one himself). As I said before, sometimes, they might spend a couple of days on 1 cue, taking shifts literally to do it. Hans would start, go to sleep, let another guy continue, and then come back an continue the work.

I guess the experience of the composers matter too. In 2006/07, take NGS or Geoff Zanelli, Hans knows them by heart and can give them a lot of freedom, while he would probably keep it closer with Lorne, Henry & Atli. Geoff actually wrote themes in those scores, so I think he pretty much did his cues on his own and had close to carte blanche.

So yeah, the credits is complicated, sometimes it's 95% HZ & 5% the additional, sometimes it's 20% / 80%).


anonn2020-06-14 14:54:20
Hey Hybrid, do you think you could breakdown what you think most people's role was here on this superb score, particularly Henry Jackman. Did he actually write some of the love theme?


commonP2020-07-22 05:44:28
Very good observations Rafael. I also noticed that HZ's solo cues tend to be more free-flowing and intriguing than the additionals. Perhaps they feel they have to stick to HZ's cue map/theme suites more closely. "Trying to get lost" is a fantastic cue - unsettling and dangerous, a really good introduction to the unique tone of the third film.

To add to your thoughts on the contributions, I think some of the credits on this score feel very generous. Don't get me wrong, it's clear 6-7 great composers unleashed on a project like this got spectacular results. But "Jack and Beckett", for example, is really just the Beckett suite + jack suite + commandeering the interceptor (a HZ cue) verbatim. Same with "Will makes Deal". "Davy's Tear" is just copied and pasted from Heart of Davy Jones suite. "Liftoff" is really cool but it's mostly just taken from Marry Me suite. There's not much there for an arranger to do. Though others are credited on the suites here which is strange... all the suites sound like pure HZ to me.

I think forever this score will be being unpicked! =p

superultramegaa reply Replies: 1 || 2020-06-09 17:59:31
Has anyone managed to find the missing cues for this and Dead Man's Chest? I would really love some clean versions of Will & Bootstrap, as well as Jack Catches Will (Part 2).


Jokerslb#372020-06-10 10:54:32
if anyone has, it is well hidden...

Poisonheadcrab reply Replies: 2 || 2019-07-14 00:34:04
What happened to all sample clips? Each composer profile had a short cue to represent their work on each film.


Hybrid Soldier2019-07-14 00:34:56
It's long gone !


Anonymous2019-07-14 03:31:54
Legal reasons I take it?

Felix reply Replies: 0 || 2019-01-13 00:04:11
Why it's listed just as expanded?? Isn't it complete??

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 4 || 2018-07-25 23:24:56
Would it be wrong of me to say this is the most complex score that Zimmer (and team) has written?


superultramegaa2018-07-26 15:10:46
I think so. It's definitely the most interesting and exciting to me out of all of Hans' work.


Mike (OTM)2018-07-26 22:16:13
Definitely in the top 5 scores HZ has done, for me. I wonder if he'll ever approach this level of straight-up awesome again.


superultramegaa2018-07-26 22:19:22
Well, first he'd need at least 5 other writers to help him. ;)

In all seriousness, our best bets at this point are X-Men and The Lion King reboot coming next year. Those will both require a more melodic and epic approach.


Mike (OTM)2018-07-26 22:43:53
I was hoping back when TDKR came out that he might kind of incorporate the "epic/compex" approach there. And the TDKR suites suggest he might have wanted to. But the final product used a lot of temp tracks and is more scaled down.

And yeah, I think AWE was just the perfect storm of Hans + additional composer choices, working with the right themes and the right approach. I could be wrong, but I think Hans having the likes of Geoff Zanelli and Henry Jackman here helped a lot.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 13 || 2018-05-16 21:38:08
So I might be a little slow but I just realized, while rewatching the film, that the third theme in the Beckett suite (the last two minutes) isn’t actually a specific theme for Beckett himself but rather a “Betrayal” motif in general. The only time the theme is used is when Will is betraying the other pirates, and when Barbossa confronts Calypso about Davy Jones’ betrayal of her.

This definitely helps explain why the theme is repurposed for Barbossa in On Stranger Tides, given he switches to the British fleet. Now I just need to figure out what that beautiful Duduk motif represents....


mpolonest123 2018-05-16 21:39:30
And let me just restate that this score, IMO, is the pinnacle of Zimmer’s career. It feels like he put literally everything into this one.


Mephariel2018-05-16 23:13:49
At World's End is definitely one of Zimmer's finest work. Have you seen The World of Hans Zimmer POTC suite? YouTube it. Absolutely one of the best live action pieces I seen.


mpolonest123 2018-05-17 01:15:12
I did!!! The use of “I Don’t Think Now Is the Best Time” was so insane!


Mr Tweedy2018-05-18 00:15:42
The Pinnacle of Hans' career?
Although I really like this score, I don't agree. But hey, I know it's just a matter of opinion, okay? ;)

Of course it shows Hans strengths in almost every area (action, drama, romance, comedy...) but for me it's too much of a medley of previous works, without much personality.
It feels a bit like a palette with too many colors. From the action sequences borrowed from Drop Zone, to the Morricone inspirations for Jack's Sequences, to Gladiator's duduk that ended up there with no real reason, to a beautiful Love Theme that brings another new shape to the sonic identity... it's like the score sometimes goes schizophrenic.

Though each individual idea is really enjoyable to listen to, I think Hans has made scores that are much more cohesive and enjoyable as a whole!


Anonymous2018-05-18 00:32:59
@MrTweedy

Just curious, what scores do you considered to be Zimmer's best?


mpolonest123 2018-05-18 02:15:13
@MrTweedy
That’s totally fine, everyone has their own favorite HZ scores, which is awesome!

It’s funny though, I feel like DMC is far more schizophrenic than AWE. Now don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love DMC. It’s the score that got me into Hans Zimmer. But still, I feel like a major part of that score is note-for-note reprises of cues/themes from COTBP. Not to mention the temp tracking of King Arthur.

AWE always felt far more original to me, especially considering that the entire tone of the music shifts from the “rock’n’roll” sound of the first two to a more traditional score (at least by Hans Zimmer standards lol)


superultramegaa2018-05-18 02:26:17
To be fair there is a lot of King Arthur in At World's End too. Just the general feeling you get from the action tracks in both scores is virtually identical. Hell, one of the main themes from King Arthur even appears when Bootstrap Bill remembers that Will is his son.


mpolonest123 2018-05-18 02:58:22
Yeah that is true, can’t argue there lol

And is it me or does “Calypso Must Be Released” sound like Black Hawk Down?


Mr Tweedy2018-05-24 01:02:42
@Anonymous Zimmer's best? Well... I'm trying to be subjective:
IMO The Thin Red Line remains the pinnacle of Hans' career from an artistic point of view. It's a turning point, though we've been used to this kind of writing since (so many scores have copied TTRL).

Inception and (especially) Interstellar are superior pieces of scoring as well. Their level of complexity is unmatched in Zimmer's discography.
Gladiator is another impressive score, as it combines some of the best action music, best drama and deepest emotions Hans has ever composed for a movie.

Seems like I'm quite objective here, as none of my favorites scores are on this list ! ;)


Mr Tweedy2018-05-24 01:03:45
I'm trying to be objective* (sorry haha)


Edmund Meinerts2018-05-24 01:18:02
See, I don't find Inception or Interstellar (or Thin Red Line) all that "complex". Especially not compared to At World's End (how many themes are in that score, like 15? 20? Pretty much all of which show up in rapid succession during the Maelstrom battle?). The Nolan scores are more about building up around very simple conceptual ideas.

Unless you're talking about emotional complexity, which is a very different thing and not really possible to objectively judge...


mpolonest123 2018-05-24 03:09:25
@Edmund
The thing with the Nolan scores (at least Interstellar/Inception) is that they are repetitive, in as much as being built heavily around the suites that I’m guessing they use to edit and temp the film.
And while the themes are simple I do think they are structured in a unique enough way which builds emotional resonance through the gradual increase in chords/volume/speed/etc. Even Dunkirk is a relatively simple score theme wise, but is so technically complex.

And personally I’ve never been in love with Inception. I admire it on a technical level, but outside of “Time” I find it to be a fairly cold score. Obviously what it was meant to do so not a complaint, more of a personal preference thing.


Mephariel2018-05-24 06:10:34
Yeah I can't agree that Inception or Interstellar are superior pieces of scoring. Certainly not in structure, thematic development, etc.

What defined those scores is the vision behind them more so than the execution. In so many ways, that is opposite of The World's End. Interstellar is a brilliant score that managed to provide each scene with a simplistic tone, but one that captured the atmosphere behind the scenes perfectly, such as the unique use of the organ. Same with Inception with the guitars.

With a World's End, the vision is nothing special. It is a rock and roll twist to classic music. But the execution brings enormous power and gravitas to the movie.

I would sum it up by saying that in Interstellar and Inception, the creation of the music drives the movie's ideas while in At World's End, the movie drives the creation of the music.

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-31 18:19:17
Beckett's Death really is Hans Zimmer at his finest. Beautiful "dramatization" of the Beckett theme. Thoroughly powerful.

Kingfannypack reply Replies: 0 || 2017-03-17 03:18:15
Hey everybody,

Where could I find out about special soundtrack editions by Zimmer in the future? (Like the Interstellar Illuminated Edition or Man of Steel Red Steel album) before they sell out in the future? For example if Hans released a special score for Dunkirk, where do I find announcements specifically for this sort of thing?

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 11 || 2016-10-24 22:59:26
I found back the lengthy interviews Henry, Atli & Geoff gave about the POTC 3 process from 2007... Unfortunately everything is in French lol... :/


thejok3rrules2016-10-24 23:45:53
Were could I find it?


thejok3rrules2016-10-24 23:46:36
Where*


Anonymous2016-10-25 02:45:54
Maybe Maxpotcats (above us) can listen to it and translate it for us since he's French lol


Mike2016-10-25 03:44:20
Can you translate them, Hybrid? :)


Stevan2016-10-25 08:48:04
If I recall correctly hybrid is French....


Vivien2016-10-25 08:57:47
Where can I found this ? I'm French so it's not a problem lol


Max Potcats (the french guy)2016-10-25 10:35:31
hey guys
if you want I can try to translate the interviews for you, just send me the link ;)


Hybrid Soldier2016-10-25 18:50:08
No translating an English ITW into French and translate it back to English is the worst on this planet, trust me, I'll just try to find the guy who did them and see if I can get the original versions... :)


hats2016-10-27 21:41:06
The interview confirms what we knew already, all the material that breaks out of standard Zimmer/RC patterns with fun, complex orchestrations, key and tempo variation, woodwinds and interesting counterpoint is classically trained Jackman. Hats off to him!


Edmund Meinerts2016-10-27 22:33:22
But I can think of plenty of tracks from AWE that do all of those things - "Maelstrom Part 1", "Trying to Get Lost", "Beckett's Death", most of the suites - and which Jackman was not involved with. I don't think it's fair to ascribe all the quality orchestral writing to him alone. Much of it, sure (he'll have a place in my heart for his involvement with "Marry Me" and by extension "Up is Down" forever, that piece is extremely special to me). But to say all of it does a disservice to the great work that EVERYBODY did on this score.


Anonymous2017-01-01 00:28:46
Did you ever get the English versions, Hybrid? ;)

Umi reply Replies: 2 || 2016-12-25 22:22:33
Good day! Is it possible to purchase just the track 64 somehow? I need just this track (on physical medium) and I would pay for the CD with only this track. I'm sorry if my question is not allowed here.


Macejko2016-12-25 23:20:19
Sure, pal, I can burn it down for ya! That'd be $39.99, what's your address?


Anonymous2016-12-27 13:28:43
New Love Theme is basically "Mary ME" suite, it's already in the OST treasures collection CD.

Max Potcats reply Replies: 0 || 2016-10-25 00:32:51
Does anyone know what is -64 "New Love Suite"?
I know that Zimmer speaks about in the DVD bonus, and I think that is a very different version of "Marry Me". (sorry for the translation i am french)

Daniel reply Replies: 0 || 2016-05-27 07:53:48
What is the source of these samples? Are they just from the recording sessions, or were they offered by the composers themselves? Also, what exactly is the nature of this site? Is it just a fan site, or is there some input by the Remote Control Productions crew?

Mike reply Replies: 7 || 2014-11-29 22:56:36
Is Geoff Zanelli still set to do POTC5? Or was the announcement from a while back put out too fast, and things have changed?


Hybrid Soldier2014-11-29 23:01:10
It's way to soon, the film in 2017... Nothing official yet, but no bad news either... I'm sure it'll be the case ! ;)


Ds2016-01-11 22:56:12
Lol, imagine some guy like Christophe Beck gets hired for PotC 5. I would get really, really mad.


Hybrid Soldier2016-01-11 22:57:21
Don't worry... lol


Edmund Meinerts2016-01-12 08:33:20
Better Christophe Beck than another On Stranger Tides, IMO.


Ds2016-01-12 09:34:54
Disagree, I still prefer On Stranger Tides over 99% of Beck's scores. The whole thing was a mess but there were some really good cues.


Edmund Meinerts2016-01-12 10:23:06
Have you heard Ant-Man or his Percy Jackson score? Beck does good work, when he's allowed to...it's just that most of his assignments don't allow him to (either because it's a shitty comedy or if he gets a difficult director like Doug Liman).


Ds2016-01-12 11:36:53
I found Ant Man to be serviceable. It's fine on picture and gives a nice atmosphere to the movie (even if I couldn't help missing Steven Price & Edgar Wright during the whole thing), but I'd never buy the album or listen to it separately. I didn't say Beck was bad, I simply think his music is just "okay", I've never heard anything really outstanding.

Prdmaster reply Replies: 1 || 2015-06-26 17:54:51
Gentlemen,can you please tell me where I can get this complete soundtrack? Or at least some songs that were not part of the official piece...I would be really glad for ,,Black pearl is missing" especially,thank you :)


isildur2015-06-26 19:29:53
Well, there is always google ;) And the forum that shall not be named.

Felix reply Replies: 2 || 2015-04-03 22:17:16
Hey Hybrid, are Track 64 & 68 the same?!


Hybrid Soldier2015-04-03 22:23:00
If they were why would I put it there ? -_-

No, the first is the original recorded suite (it's basically the same with a slightly different orchestration). For the POTC trilogy boxset all the suites were rerecorded...


STFU2015-04-04 05:17:18
OH wow, another ultra special exclusive Hybrid-Soldier-only track. Way to go.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 2 || 2015-01-06 23:24:45
Updated the list above with some more credits found Atli & Lorne ! Now there's "almost" all... lol


Hybrid Soldier2015-01-15 23:57:17
And a couple more for Jackman (Black Pearl Is Missing, Waiting For Will...). Getting close ! :P


Mike2015-02-19 17:27:05
So now we're just missing credits for the Lord Cutler Beckett and Pirate Lord of Singapore suites?

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2015-02-19 17:23:52
Geoff Zanelli's Calypso theme as it appears in cues like Jack & Beckett is so hauntingly beautiful... :)

Mark reply Replies: 2 || 2014-11-30 01:02:09
I'm still kind of new to this site so I don't understand what these expanded releases are? Are these available to purchase or are they just being posted to show what was actually in the movie? Thank you.


Lambegue2014-11-30 05:43:39
Most of the time, they are unofficial releases : that is to say that they are available in some form, but normally can't be purchased officially (even if, in truth, you can nearly always do it on the "second-hand market"). To know if this is an official release or not, just look at the label indicated on the pages for each album.

Moreover, it's not always "what was actually in the movie". "Expanded" doesn't mean "Complete", plus you must consider that Zimmer always write suites that don't appear in the movie in their original form (even if they are greatly used to write to the image). Finally, an expanded edition can countain some rejected and alternate cues.


Mark2014-11-30 19:32:46
Lambeque, thank you for that explaination. I appreciate it.

Poisonheadcrab reply Replies: 4 || 2014-10-06 08:17:16
Just out of curiosity. Are the treasure collection suites, Pirate Lord of Singapore, Heart of Davy Jones, Marry Me, and Cutler Beckett edited versions of much larger suites that still remain below the surface? I'm curious because I know the tracks Day One & Just Good Business are abridged edits of demos, and the hoist the colors suite seems to be as well. I've also noticed that the Singapore track on the regular album contains cues that were not used in the film and absent from the sessions release. Did Hans Zimmer have even more ideas for these themes that we still have yet to hear? or am I just looking too far into this?


LCB2014-10-06 16:02:19
Singapore contains a short intro from The Pirate Lord of Singapore (parts of this are into Arrival in Singapore), extracts from Battle with the Brits, Elizabeth Is Calypso and Crew Arrives (Part 2) - Davy Jones Locker.


Poisonheadcrab2014-10-07 22:36:55
The album track does contain pieces of film music from various scenes but the very beginning (before the battle sequence) contains different cues than the film and the orchestration is slightly different than the treasure collection suite.


Hybrid Soldier2014-10-07 22:39:04
Because it's probably from the original Singapore suite, not the Treasure version...


Poisonheadcrab2014-10-08 01:35:03
That's what I figured, either that or some alternate. However I'd like to jump back to my initial question. Are all of other treasure suites based on a bigger and more epic demo? or are they subtle changes like different orchestration and omitted micro edits? Like some sections in the Beckett demo.

klp reply Replies: 3 || 2014-10-07 09:42:42
Hybrid, not to be annoying or anything like that but I was just wondering if you maybe could upload the New Love Suite and Beckett Theme (Original Demo) sometime in the future:)

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Mike2014-10-07 15:57:34
Well the New Love Theme is the "Marry Me" suite, which can be found very easily, and the "Beckett Theme (Original Demo)" is on Lorne Balfe's website. ;)


Hybrid Soldier2014-10-07 16:45:01
Actually it's not... Well yeah it's the same music but for the "Pirates Treasure Collection" all was rerecorded and slightly reorchestrated...


Mike2014-10-07 22:07:21
So basically it was the same situation as "Beckett Theme (Original Demo)" vs. "Just Good Business"?

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2014-05-06 00:08:36
Perhaps the one thing that could have made the use of the themes in this score even more impressive would have been if they used the Kraken theme in some way when it showed the dead Kraken.


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-06 00:34:57
You know, that's a good point. A rare oversight in an otherwise thematically watertight score.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 6 || 2014-05-03 19:22:53
I finally added the "who did what" here (not on the cues I had no documention on)... Plus I added the true cuesheet titles...

Gonna change that cover soon too, cause I just don't like it lol...


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-03 20:00:28
Can I assume that all of the cues with Verbinski on them say that only because he cowrote the Hoist the Colors theme? I tend to not include him on my own listings for that...


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-03 20:02:03
Yeah same as Geoff on many cues containing Tia Dalma/Calypso's theme...


Anonymous2014-05-03 21:42:22
I KNEW THE "I See Dead People In Boats" cue was just Zimmer!


Mike2014-05-03 21:46:21
That's actually smart, adding credit that are known, even if some have to be left blank.


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-03 22:03:25
Yeah I might generalize that... :)


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-03 23:19:28
I'd certainly be very glad to see credits go up for stuff we haven't previously known about, even if it's incomplete like this. :)

RealFfingMusic reply Replies: 0 || 2014-04-18 05:48:46
This has probably been said before. But I saw the film yesterday again, and here's my (probably repeated) question:

When Elizabeth arrived at Singapore, she was singing Hoist the Colours, which was finished by the "Remove, Please" guy.

The lyrics are different, so why isn't it on this score?

Anonymous reply Replies: 8 || 2014-04-17 16:36:28
Hans' discography on Wikipedia lists Pirates 5....but this is just Wikipedia being stupid, right? Hans hasn't been confirmed for the project? I know Hybrid said Hans wasn't interested after POTC4.....


Lambegue2014-04-17 17:40:26
As far as I know, there is no official announcement concerning the soundtrack of Pirates 5...So yes, this information is nothing real for the moment :)


Hybrid Soldier2014-04-17 17:42:27
A year ago Hans told me he already said "no" to Disney...

But who knows, after all this time... lol


Macejko2014-04-17 17:52:15
Maybe that's why the movie isn't even greenlit yet... :)


Mike2014-04-17 19:20:03
I still think it would be great if Hans could make an awesome score for POTC5, thus redeeming himself, and allow us to forget On Unfortunate Tides, but I understand if he doesn't want to do it.


Anonymous2014-04-17 19:25:26
redeem himself? come now. he was always going to do something great for pirates 4. it was the film makers who didn't want it.

Unless Verbinski returns to the Pirates franchise I am not expecting the inspired Hans to chime in either.


Mike2014-04-17 19:38:56
"It was the film makers who didn't want it."

Speaking of that, do we know WHY they didn't? It seems kinda weird to throw out new ideas for no reason...


Lambegue2014-04-17 19:59:28
"It was the film makers who didn't want it."
The film makers and the producers, mainly Disney...

"Speaking of that, do we know WHY they didn't? It seems kinda weird to throw out new ideas for no reason..."
I suppose they considered that because old ideas worked before, and were well known and appreciated by the public, it was a good thing to use them again and again...Maybe they considered that people would not realise how innapropriate these temptracks were, or maybe even them did not understand it...


Brent2014-04-18 02:00:40
I certainly hope he returns, but who knows at this point. Disney is perhaps the most creatively "protective" studio out there, meaning they want to milk what worked in the past until there's nothing creative left (this coming from a Disney lover).

billz reply Replies: 9 || 2013-10-21 17:32:35
trying to get lost is amazing beyond words...


Anonymous2013-10-21 17:43:07
Beckett's Death is also really powerful!


Mike2013-10-21 17:48:48
I really like the mix of the Beckett and Singapore themes in the last 20 seconds of "Arrive in Singapore".


Edmund Meinerts2013-10-21 17:49:56
Are we playing this game again? It would be faster to list the cues that aren't amazing. Umm...There are a few boring stretches in Multiple Jacks...Davy Jones Visits Tia Dalma is mostly rehash of stuff from DMC that wasn't so great to begin with...uh...Some shorter tracks are a bit pointless...

I give up. I can't say bad things about this score with a straight face. :D


Mike2013-10-21 17:53:45
The latter half of "Parlay" isn't the best, and indeed, Multiple Jacks is rather boring. I'm also not a huge fan of Hoist the Colors as a song.


Anonymous2013-10-21 17:55:48
I hope the Pirates 5 score redeems the awful Stranger Tides score. Stranger tides is an apt title, though--usually POTC music is good!


Mike2013-10-21 17:57:14
I hope there doesn't need to be a POTC5 score... xD


Aragorn2013-10-21 17:59:06
The mermaid theme in Tides was noteworthy. It's just a shame all the music couldn't have been.


MacArthur2013-10-21 19:01:52
You know Mike it has been announced that there is going to be a POTC5.


Mike2013-10-21 21:04:32
I know, but they can still decide to cancel it before it's too late.

Anonymous reply Replies: 21 || 2013-10-08 19:48:42
Gosh Jack and Beckett is awesome. The way it plays the tune of the Jack Sparrow theme in the style of the Beckett theme beginning at 5:16 is incredible


Edmund Meinerts2013-10-08 20:32:14
That's the kind of subtle thematic touch that makes At World's End so great. It's full of little moments like that. Such a great, great score.


MacArthur2013-10-08 23:15:24
Agreed Great score one of my fav's


Areozz2013-10-09 01:53:32
I've been listening to that cue for nearly as long as the film has been around (slightly exaggerated, but this is quite possibly my favorite score), and I've never been able to make that connection. I can pick apart just about all the rest of the music from all films, but every time I get to that bit I think, "This must be a one-time appearance of a variation of Beckett's theme."

Now it FINALLY clicked! Thank you Anonymous stranger! And thank you to all the composers that wrote this score, too, for still amazing me 6 years later!!!


Mike2013-10-09 15:54:16
Indeed, that section is great stuff. I also find the statement of the Calypso theme beginning at 3:29 to be haunting in a beautiful sort of way.


Anonymous2013-10-09 15:59:13
You're welcome, Areozz. Glad I could help. ;) I really like the POTC1 reprisal at the end of the cue.


Mike2013-10-09 17:19:39
Speaking of this cue, Hybrid Soldier, do you know who wrote "Lord Cutler Beckett" (the suite)? I always assumed it was Zimmer, but I'm not entirely sure, because it looks like Lorne handled the "Original Demo/Just Good Business" Beckett suite, so it's possible he did "Lord Cutler Beckett", too.


Kusi2013-10-09 19:04:36
I think it's by Lorne Balfe. On his official page you can listen to a demo of this suite :)


Mike2013-10-09 19:21:29
I know Lorne Balfe did "Just Good Business", but the "Lord Cutler Beckett" suite on the album is a different one.


Hybrid Soldier2013-10-09 19:31:31
As for the "Unreleased" fourth CD =>

"Hoist The Colours Suite" is HZ / Verbinski / Glennie-Smith

"Marry Me" is HZ / Jackman

"Just Good Business" is HZ / Balfe

Don't know about the others, Pirate Lord is probably HZ only.


Mike2013-10-09 21:09:18
Well, I learned something new today: I always though the suites (except "Just Good Business") were Hans alone. Do you know which parts of Marry Me were done by Jackman, or is that too specific?


Hybrid Soldier2013-10-09 21:27:23
We are talking POTC. The genesis of this saga is clear => "alone" does not apply in that world... :P


Mike2013-10-09 22:29:44
"All hands on deck," to borrow Geoff Zanelli's pun.


Anonymous2013-10-14 15:13:05
Lord Cutler Beckett sounds a lot like HZ's own writing style. There is also a strong Peacemaker vibe to it from the 7:03 mark onwards.

Pirate Lord may be Jackman's. It sounds very much like all the Asian stuff he did for Kung Fu Panda and GI Joe 2.


Mike2013-10-14 16:30:13
Indeed, Anonymous. Actually, as much as I'm thankful for Hybrid's answer, the one suite he did not address was Lord Cutler Beckett! :P


Edmund Meinerts2013-10-14 16:42:07
"Marry Me" is my favorite cue of pretty much all time...never knew Jackman had a hand in it! That's a little weird to me...^^ Though I guess I should have known considering the second half is basically an extended version of "Up is Down". I'm guessing that everything up to roughly the 7-minute mark, i.e. the dramatic variations on the love theme(s), is HZ alone, and from then onwards, i.e. the "Up is Down" portion, is HZ/Jackman.

Did Verbinski really help compose the "Hoist the Colors Suite" or is he just credited there because he helped write the theme? I guess I'm not really surprised about NGS' involvement, nor am I about Balfe's in "Just Good Business" (in fact, I knew that one already for some reason).

About the others..."Lord Cutler Beckett" could easily be HZ alone as it indeed bears a lot of resemblance to The Peacemaker. As for "Pirate Lord of Singapore", I always suspected that Geoff Zanelli had a hand in that one, as he did a lot of the Singapore sequence. But I'm just as willing to believe it's HZ alone, as it reminds me a lot of The Last Samurai and even Beyond Rangoon in parts.

Yay for people talking about At World's End. :D


Edmund Meinerts2013-10-14 16:50:42
And the one everyone forgets about for some reason, "The Heart of Davy Jones"...well, it's basically just a (gorgeous) variation of the Davy Jones theme, so I'm guessing Hans alone on that one.


Mike2013-10-14 17:47:07
Well, *I* didn't mention The Heart of Davy Jones--lovely though it is--because it's Dead Man's Chest material. ;)


Anonymous2013-10-14 21:12:46
Lord Cutler Beckett, whether that suite was composed by Zimmer and Balfe or just Zimmer, is awesome! It's the perfect mixture of refined and ruthless, just like Beckett himself.


Mike2013-10-14 21:16:43
Indeed, Anonymous. I wonder why Beckett got two suites. I mean, they're great, both of them, so I'm not complaining, but I wonder what transpired that made it so.


Edmund Meinerts2013-10-15 00:27:04
I always was under the impression that "Just Good Business" was less a suite and more an early version of the music for the first part of the maelstrom battle (you can hear very small parts of it leak through in the actual "Maelstrom Pt. 1" cue, such as at 2:00). Don't remember where I heard that though. In the end they went for a more thematically diverse track which I think is slightly better as a CUE...but they're both excellent. :)


Mike2013-10-15 00:47:39
That strikes me as unlikely. It's titled here (in its longer form) as "Beckett Theme (Original Demo)". That doesn't seem like a cue to me. It seems like it's a suite.

MacArthur reply Replies: 0 || 2013-10-09 22:01:36
One of Zimmer's great scores

Anonymous reply Replies: 2 || 2013-09-04 21:19:33
"I remember showing up one day, I think it was our first scoring session, and I walk in and Hans has got the orchestra going and I kinda am watchin' the cue and I'm like, 'Wow, great cue--wow, this is already like a 3 minute cue, I mean, gosh...Wait a minute, there's no picture running...Wait a minute, this is like FIVE minutes. This is like seven minutes! What's this guy doing???' So finally the cue ends after 9 minutes, no picture, running nothing--okay, 12 minutes--and I walk over to him and I go, 'Dude, where's the picture????' He goes, 'No, we're not doing it to picture today'. I said, 'Well what are you doing????' He said, 'I'm warming up the orchestra. We're recording these things in suites, so that when I bring them back to do each cue individually, they'll be masters at it."

Given the 12 minute length, I can only assume it was "Marry Me". "Great cue" indeed!


Russel2013-09-04 22:03:59
How could you assume? Wouldn't you remember what it sounded like if you were there..?


Mike2013-09-05 01:35:16
He wasn't there. He was quoting an interview.

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