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ThxSeville, The Bait, Ambrose Welcomes Nyah, Chimera Myth, Beach Fight, Ambrose Dies.Can we stop? I agree with the other guy more in his points, but it's clear that this is gonna keep going nowhere if you're gonna be so overly defensive about something that you claim is merely subjective.But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br>======================<br><br><br>Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1. <br><br>So no, "challenging the viewer" is not about Transformers. You chose to focus on these movies. Not me. I was actually reffering to Bay movies like The Island and especially Pain and Gain. <br><br>But I guess you like to talk only about Transformers.....Good for you. But that's not how a discussion works. <br><br><br>===================<br>Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.<br>===================<br><br><br>So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic? <br><br>Wow! Just wow!<br><br>Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything. For you, that is apparently the normal behavior.<br><br><br>======<br>Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.<br>=======<br><br>Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality. Also, a "bad" movie to you is the greatest movie for the guy walking next to you on the street. As Kevin Smith said: "Every movie is someone's favorite movie". <br><br>Let's try to keep that in mind.<br><br><br>============<br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br>============<br><br>Really?<br><br>Then what do you have to say about Pacific Rim 1. I present to you.......the pure numbers:<br><br>Budget: $200 million. And that doesn't include the marketing cost.<br>Worldwide gross: $411,002,906<br><br>So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?<br><br>Wow! Just.....wow!Yeah lol back then only Harold was confirmed.
Can you tell me a names of cues, that was been on Klaus website?Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.
Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.
There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.I thought Hans was collaborating with Faltermayer For Top Gun 2From both ASCAP and GEMA
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  1. Opening - Gallows (1:32)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski (Lyrics: Ted Elliott, Terry Rossio)
  2. Arrive In Singapore (2:17)
    Hans Zimmer
  3. Mission Impossible (Part 1) (0:25)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  4. Mission Impossible (Part 2) (1:00)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Tom Gire, John Sponsler (Klaus Badelt)
  5. Entering The Bath House (2:52)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli (Klaus Badelt)
  6. Steam Room (0:41)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler (Klaus Badelt)
  7. Sao Feng Negotiation (5:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli, Lorne Balfe
  8. Battle With The Brits (2:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Tom Gire, John Sponsler (Klaus Badelt)
  9. Battle Continues - Will Makes Deal (1:34)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  10. Crew Embarks (1:46)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman, Atli Örvarsson
  11. Trying To Get Lost (5:05)
    Hans Zimmer
  12. Davy's Tear (3:56)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  13. Over The Edge (2:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Henry Jackman
  14. Multiple Jacks (7:29)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson
  15. Crew Arrives (Part 1) - Crabs (0:21)
    Atli Örvarsson
  16. Crew Arrives (Part 2) - Davy Jones Locker (1:18)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson
  17. Rescue Jack (2:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson
  18. Who's Captain? - Below Deck (2:07)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  19. I See Dead People In Boats (4:20)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  20. Dreadlock Jack (1:59)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson, Henry Jackman
  21. The Green Flash (3:50)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  22. Pull Your Guns (0:45)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  23. Jiggy Kraken (3:58)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli (Blake Neely)
  24. Jack & Beckett (8:33)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Lorne Balfe
  25. Elizabeth Is Calypso (2:00)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  26. Sao Feng's Death (1:35)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli, Lorne Balfe
  27. Chinese Captured By Brits (0:40)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  28. Bootstraps - Elizabeth Locker (2:25)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  29. Jack Catches Will (Part 1) (1:00)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  30. Escape - Norrington Dies (4:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson (Blake Neely)
  31. Mrs. Fish (1:18)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  32. Will & Beckett (1:28)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  33. Shipwreck Cove (0:53)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli
  34. Brethren Court Begins (1:21)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Lorne Balfe
  35. Barbossa Lobbies (1:04)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  36. Davy Jones Visits Tia Dalma (3:48)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Lorne Balfe
  37. Jack Lobbies (1:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson
  38. Teague & The Code (1:36)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Atli Örvarsson
  39. Elizabeth Declares War - How's Mum? (1:19)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  40. Parlay (2:13)
    Hans Zimmer
  41. Exchange Jack For Will (2:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  42. Multiple Jacks In Brig (Part 1) (0:22)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson
  43. Multiple Jacks In Brig (Part 2) (0:44)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson
  44. Calypso On Deck (0:48)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli (Klaus Badelt)
  45. Releasing Calypso (4:41)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  46. Hoist The Colours Declaration (2:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Nick Glennie-Smith
  47. Maelstrom (Part 1A) (5:26)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  48. Maelstrom (Part 1B) (1:22)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Tom Gire, John Sponsler (Klaus Badelt)
  49. Maelstrom (Part 2) (1:27)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  50. The Wedding (3:11)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Henry Jackman (Klaus Badelt)
  51. Getting The Chest (5:04)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler (Klaus Badelt)
  52. Davy's Death (2:50)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Henry Jackman (Klaus Badelt)
  53. Liftoff (2:22)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  54. Beckett's Death (5:05)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson (Klaus Badelt)
  55. Celebration (1:44)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  56. Will & Bootstrap (2:28)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  57. Tender Times (2:40)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  58. Black Pearl Is Missing (1:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  59. Jack Sets Sail (1:28)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  60. End Titles (1:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli
  61. End Credits (Green Flash) (2:15)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  62. End Credits (Hoist The Colours) (5:32)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Nick Glennie-Smith
  63. Waiting For Will (0:52)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  64. New Love Suite (11:45)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  65. Beckett Theme (Original Demo) (6:52)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  66. The Pirate Lord Of Singapore (Album Suite) (5:58)
  67. Lord Cutler Beckett (Album Suite) (8:48)
  68. Marry Me (Album Suite) (11:37)
    Hans Zimmer, Henry Jackman
  69. Just Good Business (Album Suite) (5:56)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  70. Hoist The Colours Suite (Album Suite) (5:44)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Nick Glennie-Smith
  71. Jack & Beckett (Alternate) (6:18)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Lorne Balfe
  72. Sao Feng's Death (Alternate) (1:35)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli, Lorne Balfe
  73. Shipwreck Cove (Alternate I) (0:54)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli
  74. Shipwreck Cove (Alternate II) (0:53)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Geoff Zanelli
  75. Parlay (Alternate) (2:12)
    Hans Zimmer
  76. Hoist The Colours Declaration (Alternate) (2:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Nick Glennie-Smith
  77. Maelstrom (Part 1B) (Alternate) (1:20)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Tom Gire, John Sponsler (Klaus Badelt)
  78. The Wedding (Alternate) (3:10)
    Hans Zimmer, Gore Verbinski, Henry Jackman (Klaus Badelt)
  79. Getting The Chest (Alternate) (5:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler (Klaus Badelt)
  80. Beckett's Death (Alternate) (5:04)
    Hans Zimmer, Atli Örvarsson (Klaus Badelt)
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Anonymous reply Replies: 15 || 2013-05-25 21:12:31
The Marry Me suite is one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard. :)


Mike2013-05-25 21:19:22
Amen to that! "Marry Me", "Time", and "A Dark Knight" would definitely have to go on my list of "Hans Zimmer's most amazing themes ever".


Anonymous2013-05-25 21:24:28
Don't forget Chevaliers De Sangreal, Now We Are Free, and The Heart of Davy Jones! ;)


Mike2013-05-25 21:27:12
Or "Tennessee" from Pearl Harbor.


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-25 21:42:45
Marry Me is my favorite Zimmer theme and cue as well. Although all of the suggestions below are also great pieces. I'll throw in the main theme from Crimson Tide as well as practically the proto power anthem. Such an influential score.


Ds2013-05-25 21:48:52
You guys are right. These are all AMAZING themes. Moving and addictive!

I'd add "Hummel Gets The Rockets" from The Rock and "All Of Them" from King Arthur.


Mike2013-05-25 21:58:50
A favorite of mine that hardly anyone mentions is The Burning Bush from The Prince of Egypt. It really conveys the presence of God.


James2013-05-25 22:02:17
And 9:11-14:12 in "Rocket Away" from the Rock! :D


Anonymous2013-05-25 22:06:23
Hybrid Soldier, since you're virtually famous, what Zimmer work is your favorite? :P


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-25 22:47:25
Depends on the mood... ;)


Prott2013-05-26 00:07:06
+1
"Marry Me" (and every reprise/variation of the Love Theme from AwE) is a wonderful piece of music. :)

... and don't forget "Show Me Your Firetruck" or "Journey To The Line". ;)


MGDrone2013-05-26 04:06:09
I'll always get chills when I listen to The Burning Heart from Hannibal. Such an under-appreciated cue in HZ's repertoire. Or To Every Captive Soul. I enjoy that love theme just a tad bit more than Marry Me. That in no way belittles Marry Me for me, it's one of HZ's best themes ever. Other ignored cues, I believe, are First Ideas from Frost/Nixon, The Banker's Waltz from Matchstick Men (and the whole score for that matter), and really the whole score to Two Deaths (granted, that one's hard to find).


Richard2013-05-26 05:44:59
Aye, many great masterpieces! Don't forget the instrumental Lion King score and the bittersweet anthem for Crimson Tide!


Christ2013-05-26 09:07:39
Air and Science and Religion from Angels and Demons, Heart of Davy Jones.


Cabox2013-05-26 17:25:06
Sure, but all of those were years ago, why doesn't Hans write something like that anymore :/ maybe for Winter's Tale


Mike2013-05-27 00:16:59
Actually, I didn't include this one above because I thought we were referring to "beautiful" music rather than "epic" music, but now that the scope isn't so limited, I would definitely include Wayne Manor in this list. That's a modern one, Cabox.

Mike reply Replies: 21 || 2013-03-18 05:02:51
Holy crud. This score (and it's not even complete) borders on 4 hours. That is impressive.


Mike2013-03-18 05:09:50
EDIT: Looked like it said 2:33'30, not 2:23'30. Still, I stand by what I said.


Edmund Meinerts2013-03-18 11:18:02
Of which the actually newly composed material comprises about 10 minutes...There's nothing impressive about a score that's 90% tracked-in cues from the previous entries in the franchise.


Ds2013-03-18 11:32:23
WTF Edmund, did you actually read what you just posted???


Edmund Meinerts2013-03-18 16:39:24
And have you heard the score? The vast majority of it is barely rearranged material from Pirates 1-3. They use Davy Jones and Cutler Beckett's themes for chrissake.


Edmund Meinerts2013-03-18 16:41:01
OH CRAP. I'm on the wrong page, aren't I. Uh...there isn't a delete post option on this website, is there? XD XD XD

...I love Pirates 3, by the way...


Mike2013-03-18 20:06:07
I was gonna say, Edmund... XD If you're referring to Dead Man's Chest, though, I agree with the original comment completely.


Mike2013-03-18 20:07:21
And of course POTC4 was atrocious. That goes without saying.


Edmund Meinerts2013-03-18 21:08:42
Yeah, for some reason I thought this was On Stranger Tides...I wouldn't have said that about Dead Man's Chest, though!


Mike2013-03-18 21:48:06
I guess with Dead Man's Chest you can either say it is a good sequel score or it isn't. I actually do enjoy it quite a bit, but it feels like there isn't much new material. There's the themes for Davy Jones and the Kraken and those are nice. We only hear the very beginning of Beckett's theme in that movie, and Tia Dalma's theme isn't present very often. The drunk Jack Sparrow theme is technically new, but it sounds like music from the first movie. Then the rest of the score is pretty much a regurgitation of Curse of the Black Pearl.

Though, of course, Dead Man's Chest is a far better score than On Stranger Tides, and only nerds like me really take this much time to analyze how much new music there is. :P


Medigo2013-03-19 10:53:14
I'd say DMC is at least a better movie than AWE. But thats just me
I wouldnt call its score a major regurgitation still, there are more new cues than just the ones people remember


Mike2013-03-20 08:24:31
Actually, there was one awesome new cue when Jack is chained to to the ship and gets eaten by the Kraken (Hello Beastie on the album). And then of course there was the cannibal island music, but that wasn't very memorable. To me, at least.


Jimmer2013-03-20 10:52:15
Actually Mike, even the track "Hello Beastie" wasn't even all that new. Listen to the score "King Arthur" (2005), track 3 "Do You Think I'm Saxon?" Then listen to "Hello Beastie." The similarities are everywhere! Maybe Hybrid can confirm this, but that track might've even been used as a temp, it's like exactly the same.


Mr. Charles2013-03-20 13:22:14
Remind me again why DMC is being discussed on the AWE page?


Anonymous2013-03-20 23:27:37
My guess, Jimmer, would be that the scene in question used the King Arthur piece as a temp track and then modeled the official music after it. Kind of like the way "Time" from Inception is based off "Journey to the Line" from The Thin Red Line.


Hybrid Soldier2013-03-20 23:36:31
Funny cause the cue you mention is actually by Hans... I mean, himself ! ;)


Mike2013-03-20 23:56:20
Yeah, haha...Self-plagiarism!


Hybrid Soldier2013-03-21 00:27:46
More like "finishing an idea once started" ! ;)


Richard2013-05-13 22:20:51
Actually, I think that Dead Man's Chest had more new material than any of the other movies. The Jack Sparrow theme, though based on a cameo cue in COTPB, was mostly new. Davy's Jones' theme was completely new, The Kraken's theme was completely new, and Jack's Action theme was completely new. That's the majority of the score in the movie right there.


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 22:22:23
Beckett's theme, Tia Dalma's theme... :)


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-13 22:30:00
Okay so Dead Man's Chest had the three major new themes, Jack, Kraken and Davy Jones (plus Jack's action theme), the beginnings of Beckett and Dalma's themes and a small standalone theme for the Cannibal Island. Not bad - that's seven by my count.

But At World's End had the love theme, which is really three separate melodies put together (A, B and C phrases), the Hoist the Colors theme (again two melodies, verse and chorus), Beckett's new full theme, Sao Feng's theme and (stretching a little here) the World's End theme. I'm inclined to throw in the parachute theme as well, even though it only crops up once, just because of how damn memorable it is. So that makes nine new themes! Plus, each score is progressively richer because it builds on what came before (with certain exceptions like the Kraken being confined only to DMC), so in reality AWE has over two dozen themes. Like I said...VERY complex thematically, and hence why I think it's RCP's best!


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 22:34:10
Well Edmund my little problem with POTC 3 is basically the problem I have with the movie...

It kinda gets boring & too long in its "Brethren Court" sequence. And the score follows... It's all calm and then turns into big mayhem with the Maelstrom.

From minute 1 to the last, POTC 2 flows better. The structure of the score and film is better in 2. Of course, "Jack & Beckett" or "Jiggy Kraken" or "Green Flash" have almost no equivalent in 2.

But hey, we won't fight to know which masterpiece is the best...

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 10 || 2012-12-01 22:31:57
So, time to play !

Hoist The Colours => HZ & Gore Verbinski, lyrics by T. Elliott & T. Rossio

Arrive In Singapore => HZ

Entering The Bath House => HZ, Geoff Zanelli (themes used : Verbinski & Badelt (POTC 1))

Steam Room => HZ, Tom Gire/John Sponsler (Badelt)

Sao Feng Negotiation => HZ, Lorne Balfe (Verbinski, Zanelli)

Battle With The Brits => HZ, Tom Gire/John Sponsler (Verbinski, Badelt)

Battle Continues - Will Makes Deal => HZ, Tom Gire/John Sponsler

Crew Embarks => HZ, Jackman, Örvarsson

Trying To Get Lost => HZ

Over The Edge => HZ, Jackman (Zanelli)

Multiple Jacks => HZ, Örvarsson

Crabs => Örvarsson

Captain Jack Sparrow => HZ, Örvarsson

Rescue Jack => HZ, Örvarsson

Who's Captain? - Below Deck => HZ, Balfe

Souls At Sea => HZ, Balfe (Verbinski)

Dreadlock Jack => HZ, Jackman, Örvarsson

The Green Flash => HZ, Jackman

Jiggy Kraken => HZ, Geoff Zanelli (Verbinski, Neely)

Jack & Beckett => HZ, Balfe (Zanelli)

Seduction => HZ, Zanelli

Sao Feng's Death => HZ, Balfe (Verbinski, Zanelli)

Chinese Captured By Brits => HZ, Balfe

Bootstraps - Elizabeth Locker => HZ, Balfe

Jack Catches Will (Part 1) => HZ, Balfe

Escape - Norrington Dies => HZ, Örvarsson (Neely)

Shipwreck Cove => HZ, Zanelli (Verbinski)

Brethren Court Begins => HZ, Balfe (Verbinski)

Davy Jones Visits Tia Dalma => HZ, Balfe (Verbinski)

Teague & The Code => HZ, Örvarsson (Verbinski)

Parlay => HZ

Flying Dutchman Prison => HZ, Örvarsson

Calypso On Deck => HZ, Zanelli (Badelt)

Releasing Calypso => HZ, Zanelli

Hoist The Colours Declaration => HZ, Glennie-Smith (Verbinski)

Maelstrom (Part 1) => HZ, Tom Gire/John Sponsler (Verbinski, Zanelli)

Getting The Chest => HZ, Tom Gire/John Sponsler (Badelt)

A Lost Bird => HZ, Tom Gire/John Sponsler (Verbinski, Badelt)

The Wedding => HZ, Jackman (Badelt)

Maelstrom (Part 2) => HZ, Tom Gire/John Sponsler (Badelt)

Davy's Death => HZ, Jackman (Badelt, Zanelli)

Liftoff => HZ, Zanelli

Beckett's Death => HZ, Örvarsson (Badelt)

Celebration => HZ, Tom Gire/John Sponsler

One Day => HZ, Jackman

The Fountain Of Youth => HZ, Balfe

End Titles => HZ, Zanelli

End Credits (Green Flash) => HZ, Jackman

End Credits (Hoist The Colours) => HZ, Glennie-Smith (Verbinski)


That's it ! :)


//////2012-12-01 22:36:27
Thanks for the credits Hybrid Soldier!


thejok3rrules2012-12-02 00:12:40
Hybrid Soldier, could you add the credits to the tracklist below? Thanks for them btw! :D


thejok3rrules2012-12-02 00:18:09
Never mind, I just read your previous comment about it xD


Mr. Fate2012-12-02 00:38:00
Just to clarify, Hybrid: the names listed inside parentheses indicate tracks that were written new but use old themes written by the composers in said parentheses?

If one were to want to tag the sessions, ideally would one include the names in the parentheses?


Hybrid Soldier2012-12-02 08:38:13
It's all new cues there, it contains theme written by Klaus Badelt & Blake Neely from POTC 1. And of course Verbinski (Zanelli too for his Tia Dalma theme), but he co-wrote the Hoist the Colours theme but certainly didn't work on any cue of the film.

For my personal tagging, I basically keep people who were involved in the film music writing (no Klaus or Blake).

But to be totally fair you could add them, yeah.


mittens2012-12-02 12:24:07
Cool, thanks for credits!


Mr. Fate2012-12-02 20:10:48
Thank you! From taking a look at this list, can one make the assumptions that Henry Jackman was behind the new love theme and Atli Örvarsson was behind the Multiple Jacks theme?

It also appears that a couple credits are missing. Can the credits for the OST help to fill in the gaps? I noticed the credits for some of the cues that make up "At Wit's End" on the OST are not present here. I wonder, if one were to take a close enough look at the music detailed here and see who wrote what, if one could infer who did the remaining cues...


Hybrid Soldier2012-12-02 20:44:57
Right for Atli. But the Love Theme is HZ, though yeah Jackman was in charge of arranging it most of the time (Lorne did too on Below Deck).

At Wit's End is made of "Trying To Get Lost" (HZ) + "Davy Jones Commanded" + "Crew Embarks" (HZ/AO/HJ) + "Over The Edge" (HZ/GZ/HJ)

And we know At Wit's End is by HZ/LB/GZ/AO/HJ. So yeah, by elimination, "Davy Jones Commanded" is HZ/LB. :)


T-Mann0362012-12-09 11:43:40
Ear-gasm!!!!!!


Mike2013-02-28 08:11:09
When you attach names to these cues like Geoff Zanelli or whoever, does that mean that that composer took Hans' cues and arranged them, and Hans was essentially uninvolved with the formation of that cue as such?

Mike reply Replies: 6 || 2013-02-09 21:45:29
I love 0:53-1:10 in Maelstrom Part 1, how it mixes Beckett's theme with Hoist the Colors. 1:43-1:52 is really awesome as well.


Mike2013-02-09 21:51:08
If we ever see an expanded score release (as in, more cues, not just the suites, great though those are), I'd love to have the whole 20 or so minutes of the Maelstrom/battle music. We only got 6 minutes on the album in the second half of "I Don't Think Now Is the Best Time".


Areozz2013-02-10 00:39:55
What are you complaining about? Something expanded that you could pay money for--or have someone ELSE pay money for? The sessions are out; this is AT LEAST 95% of all of the music ever written, conducted, and recorded for this film. All 20 of those minutes are on the sessions so what the hell are you asking for?


Mike2013-02-10 02:24:54
What am I asking for? A LEGAL way to get the stuff.


Areozz2013-02-10 05:25:32
Oh yeah...You're the guy who asked permission to use a custom fan-made cover somewhere for his own private iTunes library. Your intentions might be good and honest, but your species is dying. You're in a world full of pirates.


Mike2013-02-10 05:44:06
Best to go out with pride, I guess.


uga2013-02-10 09:02:33
I liked how in Dead Man's Chest Becket claimed "The world is shrinking. Jack Sparrow is a dying breed." as in he's a pirate, yet here we are. The 21st century bootlegers.

Ds reply Replies: 1 || 2013-02-08 13:01:02
I think "One Day" isn't the film version, which featured piano. Do somebody know where to find it?


Areozz2013-02-08 13:45:00
no

Mike reply Replies: 4 || 2012-12-28 00:50:52
Is Beckett Theme (Original Demo) played on the piano like the Jack Theme Demo?


Mr. Fate2012-12-28 01:34:29
No. I am certain this is the track that can be found on Lorne Balfe's website.


Mike2012-12-28 01:48:25
I doubt it. The track on LB's site is 7:02. The one here is only 6:52. Perhaps it's like the suites in The Dark Knight's complete score, though, and the lengths are just different.


Hybrid Soldier2012-12-28 10:17:55
It is the cue on Lorne's site. Just cut the silence here... :)


Mike2012-12-29 09:11:06
I actually like the track on Lorne's website better than the album track. The harpsichord (or whatever it is) is more prominent.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2012-12-03 04:25:25
For the record, Hybrid: Jack & Beckett IS good.

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 0 || 2012-12-02 17:33:25
Man, I really wish I knew where to find this...At World's End is my favorite Zimmer score. Thanks for putting up the tracklist anyway, it gives me hope that one day I'll finally get my hands on thsi sucker!

Felix reply Replies: 4 || 2012-11-30 23:49:50
It's AMAZING


Mike2012-12-01 00:23:32
Yes indeed. I think this was Zimmer's finest score.


axel2012-12-01 10:13:25
It's probably the best Pirates Of The Caribbean's Score... It's my opinion, of course :)


Mikel SiW (a fan from Spain)2012-12-01 13:29:10
Sublime


Mike2012-12-01 19:38:27
The thing I love about this score is how big and fresh it is. Repetition of cues was kept to a minimum.

Jimmer reply Replies: 3 || 2012-12-01 14:43:07
@Hybrid: You know there is a partial cue list containing who composed what on the forums under the old thread, Tracklist Details. Page 4 I believe. You show go ahead and detail the rest of this gorgeous tracklist.


Master of Fate2012-12-01 14:47:08
I don't know why, but I have to agree with this! It would be pretty neat to see who composed everything. Although, I'll bet information like that could be pretty tough to hunt down.


Jimmer2012-12-01 15:07:04
@Master of Fate: Actually probably not for Hybrid. He even said further down that he has all the cue details... It's just a matter of putting them up here, which I pray he does because I'm really OCD and it quells that by having the exact composer for each cue.


Hybrid Soldier2012-12-01 15:57:36
I won't do it on the page cause I only do it when I'm 100% sure of everything (like Angels & Demons).

Give me a few minutes, I'll detail here on the comments all I can !

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 6 || 2012-11-30 19:56:12
Yes I do !

TTRL is just personal laziness (I just have never taken the time to take care of it properly, and I don't want to list raw things around here). :)


Mike2012-11-30 19:57:20
GOD BLESS YOU, HYBRID SOLDIER! I'm so happy.


Mike2012-11-30 19:59:57
Forgive me if this is a dumb question, Hybrid, but can we use these images for iTunes files or are they privately made stuff that will get someone's anger flaring if they're taken?


Mike2012-11-30 20:03:56
I know, I know: "That's dumb, everything is stolen, who cares, get with it".

I like certitude. ;)


Hybrid Soldier2012-11-30 20:12:01
I basically know those making covers I use (most of the time), sometimes they even do them for me (cause I suck :P), and I think they don't care, on the contrary they'd be flattered by people using their covers ! :P


Mike2012-11-30 20:13:23
Thanks! :)


Bondo2012-11-30 21:26:38
They don't mind at all ;)
(can't take credit for this one though!)

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