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Why does the album suite day one demo sound different to the Pirates Of The Caribbean Theme (Original Demo)? Did he go and tidy up the track for the CD?
I always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?
Hybrid Soldier
2020-02-17 18:25:04
Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol
You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lol
Question about this score.... I always thought Klaus did the "Fog Bound" themes, but now that I'm looking at it, I see Hans' name on the Fog Bound cue. So did Hans help write that theme, or was he just involved in the arrangement for the opening scene?
I know this is another random question, but does anyone know who composed the music for Pirates Of The Caribbean Online? There's an album cover that says:
Music by Hans Zimmer Additional Tracks by New Ages and Amir Baghiri
But on IMDB it says the in-game music was done by a completely different team of composers. Anyone have any sources, or any validation on which is correct?
superultramegaa
2018-03-22 19:21:05
So I'm guessing no one knows if Zimmer did this or not?
On my cuesheet for Pirates 1, it gives Captain Jack Sparrow a credit to Jablonsky. I think it makes sense given his Transformers style, but I was wondering if someone could tell me whether or not it's wrong or not.
Balfe
2018-02-22 14:56:51
It would be very interesting to get a better sense of what exactly Zanelli's role in the franchise is. He is a very capable composer but his work on 5 was utter scheisse. But that may just be what the franchise calls for. How does the supposedly precarious Hans put his name on all this shit.
Ok, I need to know who composed THIS particular piece of music so I can buy him a beer. It's so goddamn good that it's now my ringtone. Can't stop listening to it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu1xghP8fDY
egg
2017-11-08 16:16:25
Zanelli variations on a theme by Zimmer
James
2017-11-08 16:17:32
Zanelli claim as his:
"I did a lot of writing on this film, much more than I can present here [...]. “Broadside” was a huge action sequence with tons of twists and turns.[...] This cue is also how I got my Pirates nickname; [...] Geoff “Broadside” Zanelli."
Bayhem
2017-11-08 20:12:48
Thank you, guys. I just went to Zanelli's site and indeed he is the one who composed this great track. I really thought that it was either Zimmer or Glennie-Smith.....
Anyway, my hat's off to Zanelli for this piece of music. It really pumps you up.
James
2017-11-08 21:10:53
Yes, it's one of the best arrangements in the entire saga and, in my opinion, the best of Zanelli with the pieces of Zimmer.
Why is Hans Zimmer credited for almost every track on here? Didn't he only write like 3 demos and then the other composers arranged from them? Why is it fair to credit him on almost all tracks? Or is it that each track he's on is an arrangement or uses the themes he composed in the couple demoes he did? I'm still really confused about the total extent of his involvement with the score, both behind the scenes and actual compositions.
Hybrid Soldier
2016-05-28 09:39:56
He didn't "write only demos"... First he only wrote one, and he actually co-wrote a lot of the cues...
Zimson
2016-05-28 11:39:18
Thanks for clearing that up. It's a shame Badelt alone got top credit.
Where does the Pirates Of The Caribbean Theme (Original Demo) come from? It's different than the 4:56 AM album track. Is the latter just a shortened version or what?
Anonymous
2013-08-01 02:36:44
Odd indeed. Just found it today. Sounds like "The Battle" from Gladiator was mixed in with the Day One demo piece.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-08-01 09:01:36
Hans made it "available" on a Soundtrack.net interview for POTC 2 back in 2006.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-08-01 12:48:37
Speaking of that suite, I once asked Hans if it was the only he wrote for that score. Here are some HZ thoughts about POTC (this is "censored" cause some can't just be shared out loud...) :
"No, but if you listen carefully, virtually all the tunes in the movie are arrangements of that... Oh, and the skeleton dance number, but that suite is the cue - with some help from Geoff Zanelli -. Gore and Jerry B. asked me to go home and come up with something. That's why it completely falls apart at the end... I was tired, and couldnt play anymore...
Ramin did a great arrangement of my tune for the sword fight. That got everything going. Geoff Zanelli arranged more music than anybody, some of it really way beyond arrangement. Blake Neely was stuck on - I think - 28 versions of the 'moon' cue... The endtitles - by tradition in all the films - are my suite arranged by Geoff.
I didn't write a Sparrow tune until the second movie. He just had a riff for the first one... Just as a personal joke, I tried to have every character's theme start with the same 3 notes. That got a little confusing. But you have to have fun."
NM
2013-08-01 13:08:06
That's really cool Hybrid, thanks. It's interesting to know how the score actually came together, that's really not what comes across from interviews and whatnot. Do you know which themes/tunes Badelt came up with?
Hybrid Soldier
2013-08-01 13:23:24
;)
I've gathered quite some intel on many movies from Hans' more or less effective recollections regarding them !
For Klaus, listen to the whole Fog Bound, it's like a medley of all his themes ! :)
Mike
2013-08-01 15:29:05
Thank you, Hybrid. Interesting news and quote. I thought you said a while back that the "tut tut tut" pan flute theme in Fog Bound was Zimmer, though?
Pierre
2013-08-01 19:09:05
You say Fog Bound is a medley of Klaus' Themes. However it opens with Zimmer's Jack Sparrow "riff", then there's some atmospheric electronics with a bit of tension building, then the "love theme" or whatever, which is in Hans' original demo. Please explain.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-08-01 19:18:23
No no no I mean the real 5 min Fog Bound...
Not the OST track, which indeed has a Sparrow theme by Hans and at the end the beginning of Smitten Will...
Mike
2013-08-01 21:32:15
Oh, by the way, which Black Hawk Down cue/album track did the moonlight serenade scene rip off of?
Hybrid Soldier
2013-08-01 21:56:25
Tribal War.
Pierre
2013-08-01 22:02:19
Thanks Hybrid Soldier, I was not aware of an alternative track.
Anyone notice the POTC4 mermaid theme at the beginning of "Liz Meets Barbossa"?
Mr. Fate
2013-05-07 00:47:07
I think you might be confusing that with another theme that is found all over the four films and has come in a wide variety of arrangements.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-05-07 08:31:44
Careful HZ had the fun to try to make every theme start with the same 3 notes, so it's confusing ! :)
Anonymous
2013-05-07 08:37:58
He did?!
Hybrid Soldier
2013-05-07 09:16:53
Well, take the POTC Main Theme, the first 3 notes. Then the Jack Sparrow related themes beginnings(Breaking the Chains and Captain Jack Sparrow).
Take Beckett's theme first 3 notes. Then Davy Jones. The Kraken' main melody after that...
Yeah, always the same. Different pitches, same progression... :P
Mr. Fate
2013-05-07 13:46:58
So, I'm NOT going crazy after all! When all the sessions surfaced, I started taking a closer look at all the music and started noticing that almost EVERYTHING from Pirates 1 was the same theme!
mind=blown.
Hybrid Soldier
2013-05-07 13:48:14
Almost all of P1 is an arrangement of his demo... :)
The complete sessions on an other site has only 72 tracks, this on 77 tracks:O What's the different between it? And where can i find the 5 missing tracks?
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