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See, I don't find Inception or Interstellar (or Thin Red Line) all that "complex". Especially not compared to At World's End (how many themes are in that score, like 15? 20? Pretty much all of which show up in rapid succession during the Maelstrom battle?). The Nolan scores are more about building up around very simple conceptual ideas.<br><br>Unless you're talking about emotional complexity, which is a very different thing and not really possible to objectively judge...You know, I don't think I've ever really gotten the full story surrounding that score. I've heard conflicting reports. My personal belief is that Ross did little to no substantial composition and that all the new stuff (themes, suites, new cues and also significantly fresh arrangements of old material) is pure Williams, but that film is full of reused music from the first film (it's actually quite frustrating, not as bad as On Stranger Tides or as heartbreaking as The Hobbit, but a bit of a rehashy mess and it makes the key error of using the Philosopher's Stone motif as a Voldemort theme). That's where I think Ross comes in and was responsible for taking those cues verbatim from the first film and tweaking/rearranging them just enough to match the timings of the scenes without actually adding any of his "own" notes. His role is likely somewhere between additional music, arrangement and music editing (but as Hybrid likes to point out, oftentimes those sorts of roles are really blurred and overlapping anyways).<br><br>A guy at jwfan did an analysis that helps understand the nature of that score, but be warned, it goes *really* deep:<br><br>www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27619-finished-chamber -of-secrets-thematic-and-originality-analysis/I'm trying to be objective* (sorry haha)@Anonymous Zimmer's best? Well... I'm trying to be subjective:<br>IMO The Thin Red Line remains the pinnacle of Hans' career from an artistic point of view. It's a turning point, though we've been used to this kind of writing since (so many scores have copied TTRL).<br><br>Inception and (especially) Interstellar are superior pieces of scoring as well. Their level of complexity is unmatched in Zimmer's discography.<br>Gladiator is another impressive score, as it combines some of the best action music, best drama and deepest emotions Hans has ever composed for a movie.<br><br>Seems like I'm quite objective here, as none of my favorites scores are on this list ! ;)Interesting you mention William Ross' role in Chamber of Secrets because I've never fully understood what his exact involvement was. Was he just an additional music composer? Or did he actually compose most of the score with John Williams only writing the suites? Just curious if you know.
I mean, the thematic situation *is* a bit messy. You've got new themes by Powell, one new Williams theme adapted by Powell, and then existing Star Wars themes adapted by Powell. I agree the credits are a bit long-winded but I can't think of a more concise way to convey all that information.<br><br>What does bother me (and maybe this is my inner fanboy talking) is that it seems to downplay Powell's role a bit, listing him second and with the use of the word "adapted" which makes him feel a bit second fiddle. Remember how William Ross "adapted" Williams' music for Chamber of Secrets, by which was meant largely copying and pasting bits from Sorcerer's Stone? I have no doubt that Powell has done a far, far more substantial job here (and they do say "composed and adapted", to be fair). Then again, it's a Star Wars score, and of course they're going to put Williams' name front and center as much as possible no matter what.<br><br>This is all such nitpicking of the highest order :pHans for Star Wars ?<br><br><br>Never.<br><br><br>Ron probably asked him first and Hans probably was like "JOHN POWELL !!"What would have happened if Ron Howard would have been the first choice to direct Solo? He would have chosen James Horner (if he wasn't dead) or try to convince Hans Zimmer to do the music. The only collaboration between Howard and maestro Williams was in the movie Far And Away.Poster in SpainA Star Wars score that sounds like a Powell score? I'm in.<br><br>From what I've heard of many people, the score is really great and apart from the Williams theme, I heard Powell also had a lot of great themes.<br><br>I cannot wait for it!
Your source?Just saw the film, really fun and faced paced movie. The score is great, it has a solid main theme by John Williams (not as great as Rey theme though) but still memorable and john powell adapts this main theme in various variations throughout the film. Star Wars fan might be dissapointed by the score because this overall sounds like a typical Powell score which doesn’t really sound like a typical Star Wars movie. Still fans of Powell will love this new score.La La-Land is going to release the scorePowell adapted ideas from Williams (i think in one interview, he saids the new themes come from tunes by Williams)Music providen by additional composers, mean like, diferent version or re-arranged parts from a cue
Sorry about my lack of knowledge on this...but somebody can explain me what means "Additional Music"?.<br><br>I know somebody composed the score, sometimes the same person is the arranger or orchestrator (like ussually do John Williams), but "Additional Music"??? I'm lost like always...Anyone else think the credits are too complicated? Why not just have "Han Solo theme by John Williams" and "Score by John Powell"? I know that Powell directly quotes some Williams cues, but I dunno. That's an overly complicated cover, in my opinion.I saw it in Paris, amazing show, my favourite after Zimmer's oneI think that credit connected with John Williams's music from the original Star Wars movies. So, Herbert Spencer was the original orchstrator on the first three movies (New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back and Return Of The Jedi). More of that, he's been credited on Rogue One: A Star Wars Story as orchestrator. All other people usually works with John Williams, except Mark Graham, who's heading music preparation in almost every Hollywood movies now (Jo Ann Kane Music Services)I am increasingly seeing two separate credits for the orchestration role: one being the usual "Orchestrated By" and the other is this "Additional Orchestrations" credit. I can understand what one might mean by "additional music" but what differentiates these two orchestration roles from one another?
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Backdraft (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 64'33
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  1. Flashlight (0:52)
  2. Main Titles (4:26)
  3. The Real Thing (1:07)
  4. One Case Won't Do (1:16)
  5. Late For Work (0:54)
  6. Dig In - Mannequin Fire (8:31)
  7. Save My Baby (2:08)
  8. You Win (0:27)
  9. In Another Life (2:48)
  10. Hard Lesson To Learn (1:17)
  11. She's Hot & Smokey (2:28)
  12. Check It First - Check For Heat - Tim Burns (2:45)
  13. After The Fight (0:41)
  14. What's This Job All About? (2:15)
  15. The Ex Is Back? (1:03)
  16. I Just Can't Anymore - Swayzak's Office (2:01)
  17. Swayzak's OK (1:06)
  18. Did You Want To Be Your Dad? - Who Doesn't Love Fire? - Brian Finds Trych (2:49)
  19. Final Fire (9:59)
  20. Approaching Fire - Who's Your Brother? (9:22)
  21. Funeral - Swayzak Is Busted (3:14)
  22. Epilogue (3:34)
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badbu reply Replies: 16 || 2014-05-20 12:10:07
The best score of the last 20 years!
The sound is so impressive!


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-20 12:13:29
Bah! It's good, but to say there's been nothing better written since? Lord of the Rings, Jurassic Park, At World's End, How to Train Your Dragon...bullshit!

Besides, 20 years ago was 1994. This came out in 1991. :b


badbu2014-05-20 12:20:25
LOTR...no...JP...no...POC3...ok, you're right!HTTYD...no...:P
yes, i know :D
But this score was Hans breakthrough :)


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-20 12:23:41
This score is far superior than HTTYD... lol


0-cool2014-05-20 12:34:16
RIP Edmund Meinerts


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-20 12:39:45
You seriously think this is better than Lord of the Rings?


ERS2014-05-20 13:20:25
This just in: Backdraft will go down in history as the best score ever written for film. You heard it here first, folks! People three centuries from now will remember BACKDRAFT as the pivotal score that had "impressive sound."


RealFfingMusic@23142014-05-20 13:44:40
No, we don't. :P


badbu2014-05-20 13:59:00
@Edmund: yes, i think this is better! :)


Greg2014-05-20 14:02:45
This is the worst bullshit i ve ever read since the bible...
How is it even possible to think that this score which doesnt even have 1h of music can beat the LOTR and its 12 hours of music?
Backdraft, honnestly no one gives a fuck about that one, LOTR has sold out its concerts for the last past years so please think this straight.


badbu2014-05-20 14:23:41
ok sorry, i change my feelings and my mind :D


Anonymous2014-05-20 15:24:28
there are more interesting subjects to press on than what's the best music ever written. I for one like to know what happened during the album production for this film. Compared to this bootleg the stuff on the Milan disc sound like all new recordings. Tthat epilogue cue in particular sounds hell of a lot better on the Milan disc than here, even if the sound quality is not so good.


ZimmerFan2014-05-20 17:51:30
Of course, I love me some Zimmer, but only Zimmer drones think this beats things like Jurassic Park and LOTR. Pathethic...


Per2014-05-20 18:23:13
The film mix (or original mix or what you wanna call it) of the Epilogue cue (or all the cues for that matter, but in particular the Epilogue) I find far more superior, and more enjoying, and certainly more powerful!, than the lousy album mixes.

Only thing I liked about the album mix was that extra piano...


Ds2014-05-20 20:42:03
This is a nice score but holy shit it doesn't hold a candle to most HZ scores, and certainly not to HTTYD!


Marcorea2017-03-30 10:31:53
I gotta agree with ds here. I love BACKDRAFT and I'm a pretty big hz fan but there is no comparison. Especially with HTTYD. IMO zimmer cannot orchestrate in the same way with an organic orchestra the same way as shore, Willian's and even powell. He adds a lot of extra layers through synth. But zimmer is the best at the style of music he produces.


David2018-04-23 20:21:59
It's been nearly 27 years since this came out in 1991.

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 2 || 2017-03-29 16:47:31
Listening to this complete score for the first time and it's really striking how different the mix is on the album. The snare drums are much further forward, and everything sounds a lot brighter and immediate but also "thinner" on the album. Whereas the film mix has synth parts I didn't even know exist, like at the very beginning of the main titles/"Fighting 17th".

I'm trying to decide which version I like more, and it's difficult! The film versions sound "richer" but I miss the ballsy snare drum rhythms...

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Hybrid Soldier2017-03-29 23:21:21
One is HZ, the other (the album) is not. End of story... :P


detective mittens2018-01-13 19:56:14
I think it's great if you have both versions, so you can choose whichever you feel like :)

I agree with everything you said except that I don't miss the ballsy snare drum rhythms so my vote goes to this mix xD

David reply Replies: 1 || 2014-07-14 22:28:40
Where can this album be purchased?


Zimson2014-07-15 05:30:11
It's a bootleg, so it's not for sale. *** EDITED ***

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-19 17:05:28
In the loving memory of Shirley Walker.

Krieger reply Replies: 2 || 2013-04-30 00:52:15
Is there anywhere i can buy/download this complete score? I cannot find it, ANYWHERE.


Terry2013-07-16 14:35:33
got to www.elitesoundtracks.co.uk they have it instock


Aggelos2014-05-18 10:53:32
Why dere iz no dizcuzion for diz Zimmer zweetie?
Diz iz a great expanded zcore! Diz is da cummah!!! Zimmer unleazh his fury and wrath with diz zoundtrax back in 1991!!!


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