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I'll try to explain myself more with the scores I wasn't a big fan of. I really like a lot of Gears of War 3. It has a lot of faster paced, melodic action cues, and the cues from Gears of War 2 are improved. Its main problem is it's not very memorable, which Jablonsky is usually able to produce. <br><br>Ender's Game I found to be a bit of a slog. There was a lot of ambient/sound design cues which I found incredibly dull. However, it's possible I was expecting too much, or maybe I was too harsh on it. I'll try to have another listen to that one. <br><br>Gangster Squad was one where I just looked at the comments to see what people thought about it, and the consensus was "it copied every recent Hollywood score", so I just skipped that one. <br><br>TF3 had a lot of good thematic material, and the finale's action music was a lot of fun, but it lacks the memorability and excitement of the first 2, or the subtlety of 5, making it fall in the middle for me. Plus the Inception sound was pretty annoying. <br><br>Gears of War 2 falls into mediocre for me. The main theme is solid, but the action is repetitive and doesn't have much variation. Plus it also wasn't very memorable. It's basically a worse version of Gears 3 to me. <br><br>Transformers 1 and 2 don't really count to me because those were more an RCP effort than a Jablonsky one. Just to clarify, I don't hate that Jablonsky went down this route. I first learned of his existence through the Transformers scores for god's sake. It's just that listening to Steamboy, it makes me sad there wasn't more of this side of Jablonsky. Oh, and honorable mention to TMNT: Out of the Shadows, that was a great superhero score!Gangster Squad was Ok, but i prefer Ender's Game, actually the sound design in that i find it certain interesting.<br><br>In Battleship, yeah, it's nothing original, but for me, is a guilty pleasure, i love the percussion (i'm a big fan of the taiko sound)<br><br>Enderís Game isnít bad at all, there are some cool power anthems and orchestral moments in it. As for Battleship, while I find most of it generic, I genuinely do like the alien ďMRIĒ sound design he incorporated.<br><br>And one of Jablonskyís most underrated scores imo is Gangster Squad. If you want a fun Jablonsky score that strays away (mostly) from the Zimmer sound thatís it. Any score using Antz as a temp track is fine by me!I will disagree with TF3, Ender's Game, Gears of War 2 and 3, there are good scores, altough i'm a massive fan of that guilty pleasure is Battleship ;D<br><br>And A Nightmare on Elm Street was cool.John Powell to receive Henry Mancini Award. <br><br>Look it up at filmmusicreporter.<br><br>Congrats John
Edmund's right. It's really just sad that Jablonsky could have been one of the greatest composers ever, one with more notoriety and respect from the music community, but instead settled for being... a decent composer.<br><br>TF5 was a step in the right direction, D-War was a great monster movie score, Your Highness came close to Steamboy levels, and IDEA felt like Jablonsky's symphony in a lot of ways. But on the other end you have Ender's Game, Transformers 3 and 4, Battleship, Gears of War 2, Gears of War: Judgement, and a few others that range from ok, to flat out awful. Occasionally though you get some decent ones like Gears of War 3, and A Nightmare on Elm Street.<br><br>My point is, we get a composer overridden with bland projects, and musically inept directors, when he had the potential for being Oscar level.This just occurred to me. 1:44-2:10ish in Remember Who You Are kind of sounds like part of Mozartís Ave Verum Corpus...and we know Hans is a fan of that piece...@mpolonest: I'm the opposite side: BvS grown each time i listened.<br><br>Not the same for MoS ;D@DS<br><br>You are absolutely right, and it was something that I did think about while I was writing the post, I just never clarified it. <br><br>But that also has the opposite effect as well. I've had plenty of scores/songs which originally I liked that I gradually grew to dislike or simply lose interest. One of the most recent ones is BvS, which I enjoyed when it came out but looking back is probably one of my least favorite Zimmer scores.@Edmund @Ds totally agree! This days the only composer that convince me is Steven Price.
Is there a Balfe score that is not very temped? Every single Balfe score I listened to is basically giving an old score a fresh set of paint.mpolonest123: it's difficult to compare scores that are 10 years old and that you had plenty of time to digest, with brand new scores you've only heard a couple of times.<br><br>You said it yourself, when Clash of the Titans came out you thought it was generic and forgettable. It's only later that you noticed all these themes and all the work Djawadi put into it.<br><br>And actually it works like that with any new album released by any major artist. Fans are always like "it sucks, I prefer their previous albums". And yet 5 years later they love all these songs and know them by heart. :-pEdmund: I see your point, and if everyone could become 100% objective it would be actually true. But in practice, our personal tastes play a heavy role in deciding whether a score is interesting or fun or creative or intelligent or enjoyable. Some people like very classical, orchestral music more than anything else; even if JXL was creating the craziest soundtrack ever, his sound palette and synthetic approach alone would be enough to make these people dislike the score and say it's rubbish. The level of detail he put in Tomb Raider is astonishing, but sadly it'll only be noticed by people who are not upset by this style of brutal and synthetic environment. Of course it also works the other way, dry orchestral scores like Giacchino frequently writes do nothing to me, I don't particularly like this kind of sound, so I never spent a lot of time listening to them. As a consequence, I never was able to dissect them to discover all their (I guess) richness, subtleties, etc. So from my point of view, almost all Giacchino scores sound the same way and are not interesting, and I don't understand how and why he keeps getting all those major assignments. That's to say, our personal preferences will always interfere with our judgment, even if we honestly try to be fair.I feel like I see/have this kind of conversation on film music boards all the time. The approach isn't the problem, it's the execution. For example, when Man of Steel came out:<br><br>me: "I'm a bit disappointed by Man of Steel, it has its moments but I don't think it's a very good score overall"<br>fanboys: "JOHN WILLIAMS WAS YESTERDAY, ZIMMER IS TODAY, THIS IS A DIFFERENT SUPERMAN BLAH BLAH BLAH GET OVER IT"<br>me: "...did I mention Williams?"<br><br>or else Mad Max: Fury Road<br><br>me: "Mad Max is a decent score but I feel like the film deserved much more"<br>fanboys: "THERE'S LITERALLY A DUDE ON A DRUM CAR WITH A FLAMETHROWER GUITAR WHAT DID YOU EXPECT"<br>me: "...a composer who does more interesting things with those drums and that guitar?"<br><br>All over the place. It was really aggravating. This is a similar situation A talented film composer can write interesting, engaging music in all sorts of styles, for all sorts of films and under all sorts of directorial conditions. My issue with Tomb Raider isn't that it's not a traditional Jerry Goldsmith adventure score. I never expected that from this film, and certainly not from this composer. It's just not a very interesting or intelligent or enjoyable version of what it's trying to be, and that's the bottom line.@mrzimmerfan <br><br>I completely agree with you. Tomb Raider definitely didnít need a traditional score at all. And I love all the scores youíve mentioned. I even donít have a problem with the approach he took.<br><br>But I just donít like the score as is. We just have to agree to disagree, no harm done. :-)
I don't think he means that, just that it would have been interesting if Jablonsky had gone more into animated movies like Powell did, rather than mostly Michael Bay. I think maybe we got a hint of what that could have been like with Your Highness a few years ago, a score I'll always defend, but yeah...the lack of follow-up to Steamboy is a great tragedy in Jablonsky's career.@mpolonest: I will enjoyed more Run All Night than Mad Max, hell, even The Dark Tower.<br><br>But with Tomb Raider, this movie is harsh, with a real character, and an adventure score a la Goldsmith or JNH, will not benefit anything about it. And in there, there is a lot of great sounds and ideas pop up in all the score.<br><br>And this is telling you a guy who LOVE The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, the entire Indiana Jones and Jumanji scores.@mpolonest: I will enjoyed more Run All Night than Mad Max, hell, even The Dark Tower.<br><br>But with Tomb Raider, this movie is harsh, with a real character, and an adventure score a la Goldsmith or JNH, will not benefit anything about it. And in there, there is a lot of great sounds and ideas pop up in all the score.<br><br>And this is telling you a guy who LOVE The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, the entire Indiana Jones and Jumanji scores.I don't think Jablonsky is going to be a new John Powell ;)<br><br>But this one of his most notable efforts, i will said that.This is feels like a very temped soundtrack, only that explains why the score is so generic. I wonder which movies music scenes producer-director used to make lorne do this. <br><br>Track 8 - is Tron legacy (dont know maybe he worked on it, powell was involved maybe he was too)

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Inception (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 160'55 rating:        5/5
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  1. Logos (0:45)
  2. Cobb Meets Saito (2:05)
  3. Extraction (7:05)
  4. Audition (1:17)
  5. I Don't Like Trains (1:06)
  6. Hotel & Helicopter (6:08)
  7. Miles Introduces Ariadne (4:53)
  8. Physics & Subconscious (3:46)
  9. Totem (1:14)
  10. Thief & A Forger (1:48)
  11. Mombasa Chase (2:33)
  12. Penrose Steps & Sleepers (5:09)
  13. Vultures Are Circling (3:15)
  14. Strategy (7:03)
  15. Dreams Or Memories (5:43)
  16. En Route (3:29)
  17. Looking Into Limbo - Interrogation (5:59)
  18. Saito's Fate (0:43)
  19. Disappointed (1:43)
  20. Mal & Cobb (7:06)
  21. Into The Van (3:13)
  22. Mr. Charles (12:34)
  23. Destabilization (2:43)
  24. Planning The Diversion (1:22)
  25. To The Complex (3:28)
  26. It's A Trap (8:51)
  27. Walking Through Limbo (4:43)
  28. An Idea Is Like A Virus (2:23)
  29. Truth Once Known (7:30)
  30. Fischer & Son (3:27)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  31. Honor Our Agreement (4:43)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  32. Welcome Home Mr. Cobb (3:39)
  33. F Riff Suite (1:58)
    Hans Zimmer
  34. Mal Dark Suite (7:53)
    Hans Zimmer
  35. Mombasa Suite (4:55)
  36. E Tragic Strings Suite (1:39)
  37. Kick It Suite (4:06)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  38. Time Suite (4:38)
    Hans Zimmer
  39. Looking Into Limbo (Alternate) (0:53)
  40. Mr. Charles (Alternate) (2:40)
  41. Incepton Trailer Music (1:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
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Ian reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-04 21:39:08
Hybrid - do you have any sense of whether or not Hans did the Mombasa Suite alone? I'm making a point of updating my credits for this, and I'm curious to know if it's all him or a joint Hans/Lorne effort. Many thanks!

LILIMING reply Replies: 0 || 2018-01-11 04:11:54
I love this at moive

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 3 || 2017-11-05 00:52:10
Mr. Charles is a great cue. I put it on a loop while studying and it works really well.

Andreas2017-11-05 17:05:31
Regarding. Mr Charles , I think Balfe wrote that

Mike (OTM)2017-11-05 22:10:51
Well, he was certainly involved with it, since it uses the Fischer theme a lot. Actually, the first couple minutes are a variation on a longer Time Suite from the Inception app, which I believe is just Zimmer. But I don't know.

Dom2017-11-06 13:08:24
Remember when Hybrid had credits for the cues so we knew who did what, and then removed them? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Felix reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-05 10:43:54
Hey Hybrid, is it possible that you upload the Mal Dark Suite on YouTube??

Max Potcats reply Replies: 4 || 2017-08-17 23:29:37
Anyone knows anything about this beautiful bonus track: flybrain

It was on an ultra-complete score and i wonder why it isn't that famous because... well did you listed it? Also is it a suite or an unused cue ?

If anyone knows :)

Hybrid Soldier2017-08-17 23:44:30
It has nothing to do with Inception.

Max Potcats2017-08-18 10:41:46
I see ^_^ and do you know from what movie it comes? And is it Hans' music?

bro2017-08-19 08:15:32
the samples are far to cheap to be anything to do with rcp

Edmund Meinerts2017-08-20 00:08:33
Are you kidding? Cheap samples and RCP go together like peanut butter and jelly. :p

Anonymous reply Replies: 5 || 2015-07-10 16:33:24
Is the 10-and-a-half-minute "Time" suite from the iPhone app official? It's got some Mr Charles elements throughout. Beautiful stuff.

Mike2015-07-10 16:43:49
Official or not, it's really pretty.

Mike2015-07-10 16:55:39
There is also an almost-7-minute long track using the "Radical Notion" album track theme, and the beginning sounds a lot like the Batman v. Superman teaser.

I think this tracklist may have to be updated! :)

bro2015-07-11 02:11:15
They weren't released with the soundtrack or included in the film, but the tracks were still composed by Hans Zimmer, and mixed by Alan Myerson, and mastered by RCP.

Anonymous2015-08-07 19:59:31
the above mentioned tracks are real?

Mike2017-03-07 17:31:09
Yes, they're real. I'm not sure why they're not listed here.

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2017-03-06 18:50:00
Download button isn't working?

Edmund Meinerts2017-03-06 19:15:25
Jesus, if I had a nickel for every time someone asked about the stupid download button...

Tom Hopes reply Replies: 0 || 2016-08-01 13:31:45
I have seen Inception, the expanded score and wondering if this is an official release or is it something that someone has made and selling off as an official release as I can't find much information anywhere about it?

Jeremy reply Replies: 0 || 2016-08-11 21:27:18
How do I buy and listen to these tracks? (Complete score?)

Anonymous reply Replies: 4 || 2016-07-14 04:32:39
what is f riff suite? dream is collapsing?

Anonymous 22016-07-14 04:41:53
Yeah, a demo version I think...

Question for the great and all-knowing Hybrid Soldier lol. You said on the Kung Fu Panda page that Lorne made suites of some of Hans' themes for this score. Do you know what those suites are? Like we know that Time and Mal Suite = Zimmer alone, so what were the suites Lorne did based off Hans Zimmer's ideas?

Hybrid Soldier2016-07-14 10:32:07
Actually I was speaking in general.

But on this score I was thinking about Kick-It... I think all the others are Hans.

Mike2016-07-14 16:41:19
"Actually I was speaking in general..."

That's a tad surprising. With the exception of POTC 3 and maybe Man of Steel, it seems like most of the suites on a given Zimmer score will be Zimmer himself. Do you have any other examples besides Inception and POTC 3 where Lorne did suites like this?

Mike2016-07-14 16:46:12
Well, POTC 3 and 2, but it seems the suites from #2 haven't seen the light of day.

tomPoland reply Replies: 4 || 2014-01-08 11:13:26
I found this in the web. Anyone can tell me what is it?

CD 1
01. Opening Titles
02. A Forgotten Dream
03. Stranded
04. Dream Is Collapsing
05. The Train
06. James and Philipa
07. Saitoís Project
08. The Architect
09. Five Minutes
10. Totem
11. The Forger
12. Mombasa
13. Paradox (Sedative)
14. Mr Fisher
15. The Project
16. Cobbís Memories
17. Plane to Catch
18. Disappointment. One Sample Idea. We Need to Move

CD 2
01. Subconscious (The Hotel)
02. Rotating Hallway
03. The Kick
04. Massive Attack
05. We Built Our Own World
06. Wating For A Train
07. Is Not Real
08. Collapse
09. Come Back
10. End Credits

CD 3
01. A Forgotten Dream (Editated)
02. A Dream Within a Dream. The Train (Alternate)
03. James and Philipa (Alternate)
04. The Architet (Alternate)
05. A Totem (Editated). The Forger (Alternate)
06. ParadoxSedative (Alternate)
07. Mr. Fisher (Editated). The Project part one (Alternate)
08. The Project (Alternate - Long Version)
09. Cobbís Dreams (Alternate)
10. Disappointment. One Sample Idea (Alternate)We Need to Move (Isolated)
11. Subconscious (Alternate)
12. Rotating Hallway (Isolate Alternate)
13. The Kick (Isolate)
14. Massive Attack (Isolate)
15. Massive Attack (Alt.1)
16. Massive Attack (Alt.2)
17. Is Not Real (Alternate)
18. Is Not Real (Short Version)
19. Collapse (Different Version)
20. Come Back (Alt.1)
21. Come Back (Alt.2)
22. Inception (Suite Frmo the Movie)

CD 4
01. Time - (Mix Version)
02. Time (We Plants Are Happy Plants Remix)
03. Inception (Junkie XL Remix)
04. Dream Is Collapsing (The Extractorís Theme)
05. Malís Theme
06. Ariadne - The Architectís Theme
07. Disappointment
08. Chaos
09. Limbo
10. We Built Our Own World (Different Version)
11. We Built Our Own World (Alternate)
12. Radical Notion (Alt.1)
13. Radical Notion (Alt.2)
14. Old Souls (Alternate)
15. 528491 (Alternate)
16. Mombasa - Album Version (Alternate)
17. One Simple Idea (Different Version)
18. Dream Within a Dream (Different Version)
19. Dream Within a Dream (Alternate)
20. Paradox (Alt.1)
21. Paradox (Alt.2)

CD 5
01. Main Theme
02. Time (Angels version)
03. Time (Different Version)
04. Dream Is Collapsing (Album Version)
05. Dream Is Collapsing (Mix Version)
06. Still Dream (Theme from Inception The App)
07. Action Dream (Theme From Inception The App)
08. Travelling Dream (Theme From Inception The App)
09. 1st Trailer
10. 2nd Trailer
11. 3th Trailer
12. Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien
13. Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien (Slow Version)
14. The Hotel (Clip, No SFX)
15. One Simple Idea (Album Version)
16. Mombasa (Album Version)
17. Old Souls (Album Version)
18. Time (Album Version)
19. The Point Man (Arthurís Theme)
20. Life Takes Death Gives (Unused)

badbu2014-01-08 12:17:36
garbage...a fan super extrem power edit! ;)

Hybrid Soldier2014-01-08 12:20:35
I think the "Lorne Balfe (High Fart Remix Version of Dream Is Collapsing)" is apparently missing from this awesome thing...

badbu 2014-01-08 12:54:28
:D :D a must have remix!!!

Mike2014-01-10 01:48:26
Some tracks are "editated"? Ha...this list is pure crap.

no name reply Replies: 1 || 2015-08-07 19:26:17
How do you even listen to all these tracks?

anon2015-09-03 16:25:43
Blaringly, with eyes closed.

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2015-03-30 22:49:54
I really, really love the "Strategy" cue. Terrific to have in the background during writing or studying. That cue and "Mr. Charles"--a travesty they weren't put on the album release.

Adam2015-03-31 01:34:35
I really don't think they would've put a 12-minute track on the OST Mike. That rarely happens anymore. We got luck with Angels & Demons!

Mike2015-03-31 15:51:32
After getting a 28-minute suite on Man of Steel, I consider nothing impossible anymore. :P But tons of Hans' moderately long suites that frequently appear on album beg to differ as it is, no?

mankiboi reply Replies: 0 || 2015-03-03 19:43:38
Oh come on you insiders, go ask Hans Zimmer what of those 01-29 tracks he did and what he did not do. Or ask that other guy who worked with him, he should know!ffs!

Boldizar reply Replies: 0 || 2015-02-24 02:52:57
Has anyone heard or have any information on "Score Gems Team". I came across an actual two disc set with this track listing and wondering what the story is.

Mike reply Replies: 6 || 2015-01-15 01:07:37
I just noticed the new crediting Zimmer DID help write the Kick It suite?

Hybrid Soldier2015-01-15 11:13:44
I don't think so, from what I've been told, but I'll never have concrete proof of that... :)

Mike2015-01-24 18:44:16
I also see that Mombasa Suite is no longer credited...Is that just because there's nothing "official" to go by? And then also, was a suite written for the Fischer theme?

Anonymous2015-02-23 23:36:37
can we safely say zimmer wrote the saito theme (ya know, the super-low string theme daaaaaa since it was in the hans zimmer revealed concert?

Adam2015-02-23 23:48:51
Hey Anonymous, can you be more specific please? I've never been good at distinguishing themes and I'd like to know what your interpretation of Saito's theme is. Thanks!

Anonymous2015-02-23 23:54:15
if you're just listening off the soundtrack album listen to the second half of "paradox"'s in also plays at the beginning of the movie when it shows the old man saito...and it also plays when saito is lying wounded on the table, and when he throws the grenade down the ventilation shaft in the snowy dream level :P

Adam2015-02-24 00:55:23
Ok I thought so. Thank you for clarifying and being so specific ;)

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2015-01-29 01:04:20
Where would you get the music?

T-Mann0362015-01-30 02:12:04
Google is your only solution.

Poe reply Replies: 1 || 2014-11-29 00:15:16
What is the E Tragic Strings Suite? Another OST addition?

Hybrid Soldier2014-11-29 00:17:44
Nope... But it's in the OST actually, mixed with something else & faded, in "We Built Our Own World"...

Zimson reply Replies: 5 || 2014-08-21 21:16:32
Is "Kick it" actually written by Lorne Balfe or is it an arrangement of a source cue by Hans?

hmmokey2014-08-22 01:32:32
both composed this track ''Kick it Suite''

LBC2014-08-22 16:09:37
I think it's just Lorne

Mike2014-08-22 18:01:15
As far as I know it's just Lorne, but I've often wondered if Hans at least wrote the basic cue, since it's used so often in this score.

Mike2014-08-22 18:50:23
As an interesting side note, IMHO Kick It is the best theme in the score (maybe after the Time suite). So kudos to Lorne, Hans, or both for coming up with it.

Anonymous2014-11-25 22:31:04
Kick It has to have been at least BASICALLY written by Hans first and then turned into a suite by Mr Balfe/arranged by him for the film later...because even in the making-of video with Zimmer that theme is used a lot...

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2014-11-25 22:29:08
The Fischer theme by Lorne Balfe hit it outta the park for the safe opening scene. One of the most moving scenes of the film.

Insert reply Replies: 2 || 2014-04-24 13:40:09
Have you noticed the links of internet have two songs titled "Insert"? These one are the alternate versions of "Looking Into Limbo" and "Mr. Charles".

By the by, what is the E Tragic Strings Suite?

Anonymous2014-08-14 02:08:47
Yeah what is the e tragic strings suite?

Radik2014-08-14 18:55:15
It's 528491 from original score I think

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-08-01 20:21:19
Nice new cover. ;)

Ariadne reply Replies: 2 || 2014-03-01 18:52:57
Why are cues 4m20 & 4m21 missing from this? We have 4m19 and then it skips right over to 4m22...isn't Edith PiŠf the only source cue?

Anonymous2014-03-05 17:33:47
good question ariadne, I wonder this too. No one knows?

MZ2014-04-26 03:19:10
Because no music is playing during that time :)

RealFfingMusic reply Replies: 26 || 2014-02-18 13:01:08
A question for Hybrid - where did the credits go?

Edmund Meinerts2014-02-18 13:40:08
Seems to me like he threw a temper tantrum and took them down...check the thread below this one. Don't ask me why... :|

RealFfingMusic2014-02-20 08:50:13

Who did what here?

Mike2014-02-20 14:13:03
Lorne Balfe did all the cues, Hans Zimmer did the F Riff suite (Dream Is Collapsing), Mal Dark suite (Old Souls), Time suite (Time), and Mombasa suite (Mombasa), and Lorne Balfe did the Kick It suite (One Simple Idea, albeit extended).

Some cues are just Lorne's music, most cues are Hans and Lorne, and a couple (like Mombasa Chase and Welcome Home, Mr Cobb) are essentially just Hans.

Mike2014-02-20 14:13:45
Oh, and Lorne did the Robert Fischer and Saito themes, too.

RealFfingMusic2014-02-20 22:13:30
Thanx Mike.

Hybrid can be such a teenager!

Hybrid Soldier2014-02-20 22:32:05
No, Mike is just doing an analysis of MY analysis which wasn't based on facts.

In other words, it's all wind !

Mike2014-02-20 23:29:11
Fair enough, Hybrid. :)

Edmund Meinerts2014-02-20 23:49:52
Still doesn't explain why you took down the credits, though. That was immature.

Mike2014-02-21 00:18:48
He gave his reasoning. It "causes melodrama". I wouldn't call it melodrama, for me at least, but hey, his words. It IS mentioned a lot on this page.

Areozz2014-02-21 00:24:20
Here's my take: taking the credits away has caused melodrama. What was going on before was more like useless, petty theorizing and guessing over a topic that really isn't that vital.

Who the hell cares if a track was 35% Lorne, 25% Zimmer, and 40% some other dude??? Are you going to tag your tracks like that? Why is it so important to know exactly and precisely who did what down to a minute-by-minute level analysis?

Hybrid Soldier2014-02-21 08:24:13
I removed them, Ed, because it's based on my experience, and not on facts or any cue sheet... ;)

Edmund Meinerts2014-02-21 10:12:30
Thanks for clearing that up, Hybrid. Makes sense now. :)

Areozz, I agree that some people are getting way too concerned over details. I'm someone who does take a bit of comfort in knowing exactly who is responsible for the music I like, but on the other hand I don't wear myself out puzzling out the exact percentages or anything... :p

RealFfingMusic2014-02-21 11:19:11
Fair point, well made, Mr. Meinerts.

RealFfingMusic2014-02-21 11:22:17
And Areozz. Sorry. :)

Hybrid Soldier2014-02-21 12:01:20
I'll give an example, to show you how tricky it can be...

Blackbeard from POTC 4.

Technically the cue is Matt Margeson... But he just orchestrated / edited / arranged it... It was Hans' original suite (which, btw, was never recorded...) directly used as the cue. So Matt did work & handle it, but the cue remains HZ's music in the end...

MacArthur2014-02-21 16:46:16
Cool Thx.

Anonymous2014-02-21 18:42:04
"Who the hell cares if a track was 35% Lorne, 25% Zimmer, and 40% some other dude??? Are you going to tag your tracks like that? Why is it so important to know exactly and precisely who did what down to a minute-by-minute level analysis?"

Totally agreed. I use whatever name is on the film or CD cover. As we all know, its usually just Hans Zimmer. So stick him in the tags and be done.

MacArthur2014-02-21 20:23:47
Here here. Well said

Anonymous2014-02-22 00:14:06
saying blackbeard was never recorded you mean never recorded with real instruments right? or do you mean hans just hummed the main tune and matthew margeson did the rest? sorry if that's a dumb question. :P

bro2014-02-22 05:27:12
To keep it simple: You can create realistic sounding demos using software that handles orchestral sample libraries.

Hybrid Soldier2014-02-22 08:46:23
Yeah of course I mean with no "real" instruments... He wrote it with samples, a long suite only half used in the movie...

Mike2014-02-22 18:45:36
I'd love to hear the rest of that!

NM2014-02-23 16:41:30
That's pretty cool Hybrid. Do you have any idea why they decided not to record it. The album presentation of 'Blackbeard' is crap.

RealFfingMusic2014-02-24 05:59:43
Which suite is that?

And who did the cues for "Mombassa Chase" and "Fisher and Son"?

RealFfingMusic2014-02-24 06:03:32
I am asking about "Mombassa Chase" again cuz Mike said above Mombassa is LB but Chase is Hans. So I'm confused.

And it's "Fischer and Son". Sorry :)

Mike2014-02-24 14:12:32
You're right, Mombasa Chase is Hansóit's lifted directly out of Hans' Mombasa suite pretty muchóbut if it is Lorne Balfe, it just means he arranged it for the scene. It doesn't have to mean it was *his* music or that he even did anything considerable to it. But Mombasa Chase may be just Hans for all we know. I'd stick with saying it's Lorne's arrangement for now, personally, but hey.... lol

Mike reply Replies: 4 || 2014-02-19 03:06:56
E Tragic Strings Suite (1:38) that a new addition to the tracklist? I don't recall seeing that there before...

thejok3rrules2014-02-19 04:55:47
It is a new addition...

Anonymous2014-02-20 03:27:30
Wonder what theme it is....

Areozz2014-02-20 04:40:15
We can't be missing out on much considering that it's less than two minutes long. It's just another little thing Hybrid decided to add on top of removing the credits. I don't mean to sound rude, but sometimes he can be a selfish little bitch. An action that he might feel will make him the hero or make him special is more likely to make him look like an asshole.

I expect the new track to be something along the lines of the middle part of "Waiting for a Train" from the OST, which can also be found in the Reverie and Sleep Dreams from the Dream App. I wouldn't fret over it too much.

SanAntonioSpurs2014-02-20 18:24:22
this suite (Tragic Strings Suite) - track Saito Fate ?

Anonymous reply Replies: 15 || 2014-02-15 15:57:38
I was watching the movie today and listening to the music on a scene-by-scene's amazing how much Lorne Balfe did on this score. It's really good music, too. Does he ever feel disappointed that he isn't properly credited?

MacArthur2014-02-15 17:54:56
What the heck is the download Arrow for?

thejok3rrules2014-02-15 20:47:46
It looks better with it.

MacArthur2014-02-16 01:28:56
Ok Cause I was wondering why the heck you have the download arrow when you can't download the track. or at least I couldn't

Mike2014-02-16 21:14:31
Re: the initial post, I have a question here maybe Hybrid can answer....seeing as Lorne Balfe's Kick It theme is used A LOT throughout this movie (I'd call it one of the primary themes), was it Hans who decided he wanted that theme used so much (even though he didn't write it) or did the director like it a lot and want them to use it?

Anonymous2014-02-16 22:13:37
hybrid where do you get crediting info from? or are you not allowed to say? :P

Hybrid Soldier2014-02-17 00:00:07
Since all this has become such an important melodrama around here, I just removed the credits...

Hope it eases your minds !

Edmund Meinerts2014-02-17 12:08:57
Huh? What? Why would you do that, Hybrid?

Anonymous2014-02-17 15:09:00
Read this quote from a Lorne Balfe interview to the end, everybody, then tell me: is it really SO shocking that judging by his description of things, he'd end up writing a good deal of the score (he's talking about Inception an Sherlock Holmes below)?

ďThereís lots of producers I know where they donít really do much. They just come in and listen to something and then make one changeóturn the cowbell up and then everyone else does the work. Itís totally different with me; itís really a case of trying to help create a sonic world and figure out the different instruments being used, and also I was doing additional writing on it as well. So itís trying to help create the sonic world. I might have different ideas and it will be put in. I think if you donít [sometimes tell Hans his direction is wrong] you donít create anything interesting, because you might like orange juice and I donít. Or we could discuss why we actually donít like it and use a teaspoon of apple juice and we get a mix. If either of us donít like something, we say it, and that creates a good partnership.Ē

Anonymous2014-02-17 15:10:41
And bear in mind that unlike, say, TDKR where Lorne was basically just Hans' arranger, he was the producer on this film, which, as the interview quote shows, is a much larger role.

Mike2014-02-17 15:16:20
Thanks, Anonymous. Very interesting quote. Hybrid, does Hans have the same role as the producer in Modern Warfare 2's score as Lorne does on some of Hans' scores? Because I've always thought that MW2's score had Zimmer's influence all around.

MacArthur2014-02-17 16:02:41
I'm with you on that one Mike. Also though if that is the case. I still think that on this score Lorne (by his own words) is an Additional Music composer. Not a co-Composer he takes the Ideas that Hans already wrote. and either adds to them or says let's change that around a bit.

But I would be interested on the take of what would be the Mw2 score if that is the case Zimmer was more than just a producer and main theme guy. he should actually be on with additional music if not co-Composer on that score.

Does what i say make sense?

Hybrid Soldier2014-02-17 16:03:00
When Lorne gets an "Additional Music / Music Producer" credit, it's a disguised way to say co-composer (Inception, Frost/Nixon, Sherlock 1 & 2...)

MacArthur2014-02-17 16:14:20
Oh! ok thanks for the info. What about CoDmw2

Mike2014-02-17 16:18:14
Here's the one thing I don't get (don't take this as melodramaóI have no problems with collaboration or anything. I just want opinions). Hans said in some interview once that he likes collaboration because, among other things, it gives the other guys experience, and he said wants people to know "that Lorne Balfe is a good composer", which is part of the reason he always works with him. But wouldn't a better way to get Lorne's name out there be to actually put Lorne's name up there with Hans' on scores where Lorne's work is substantial? Idk, maybe it's not Hans' call, but if he wants Lorne to be known in the composing world, the current way isn't best IMO. Because so many people think that with Inception, all the music you're hearing is Zimmer. And all that does is boost peoples' esteem of Zimmer and keep them in the dark about talents like Lorne Balfe. Most people don't bother looking at more specific credits. ;)

MacArthur2014-02-17 21:48:59
I do see what you are saying Mike. Although with the Inception score Technically Zimmer did write most of it. (aside from the kick it suite. even though that was used most in the film.) The other stuff was written by Zimmer then you have a mix of both for the score. as Lorne said in the interview "Hans would write something and I would add something and we'd decide whether to keep it or throw it away." Although the method to get him in. with the other top people is probably to give him a film he can actually do by himself.

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2014-01-24 03:33:37
Does anyone else think of part of "The Briefcase" from Horner's Amazing Spider-Man when they here the "Hotel & Helicopter" cue in here (the part when Cobb is talking to his kids on the phone)?

Areozz2014-01-24 14:12:40
Not exactly. But what I do hear is James Horner being James Horner. If I'm listening to the right bit of music, all I hear is Horner's A Beautiful Mind, specifically "Playing A Game of Go".

Mike2014-01-24 15:29:11
Where I really heard A Beautiful Mind was The Ganali Device. ;)

badbu reply Replies: 3 || 2014-01-09 19:56:31
this is really the best soundtrack of the last years! an amazing masterpice!so perfect!

Macejko2014-01-09 20:28:05
Doge, is that you?

Leo2014-01-10 00:23:21
such score
much braaaaaam

badbu2014-01-10 11:16:38
@Macejko: no :P

whatabout reply Replies: 1 || 2014-01-10 08:02:03
why is missing the "logos" theme in "Truth Once Known" ? on the normal album the track called "waiting for a train" and there is the theme and that france song.

badbu2014-01-10 08:55:40
i think "waiting for a train" ist the film version...

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