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“natural tendency to put light on the role of others” hahahah...I'm sure he felt very foolish two years ago.Ask Hybrid@pegasus yes, 10 years later :-)Tom Holkenborg and David Buckley ?
Also Heitor Pereira, Guillaume Roussel, John Powell, Steve Jablonsky, HGW, Atli Örvarsson no ?Neely is no longer with HansTrevor said in a recent interview, that he scored Renny Harlins new movie The Misfits. Im really looking forward to this movie and score. Loved every Harlin/Rabin collaboration so far.Need some page for the new "Greyhound" film scored by Blakeu ask "is it from the sessions?" and you know thats rips whith sfx? :D hahah. made my day
I think we were all clear that both Snyder and Tom intended to use material from Hans. I don’t think he’s writing new music, but I do think Tom will use a lot of Hans.Is it true that Hans Zimmer is working on the Snyder Cut? That would be spectacular!Lol it’s probably low quality rips from the filmwhaaat? the complete score?? where??where did you find it? what is it called on youtube?
i found a complete album on YouTube, but the audio quality is not good as I thought. Is it from the recording session? Where can I find a high quality audio of this album to listen?just going to leave this here: el matador del mar, a great character, killed so easily because sparrow needed to be the great hero.<br><br>i disapprove, long life salazar!!What is the name of the song playing when Maggie leaves it’s beautiful and haunting.  The music from this movie is sheer genius a mix of heavy metal, jazz, and rock and roll!  Awesome...!Yes! Finally someone else who has heard it to! I am a HUGE fan of both trilogy's, do you like POTC?R.I.P. to Ennio Morricone, dead at 91. <br><br>For those who aren’t as familiar with his material, check out Once Upon a Time in the West, easily one of the greatest scores of the past century. You can definitely hear where Zimmer took inspiration from, for Pirates/Lone Ranger/Sherlock/Rango/etc. <br><br>“Parlay” is such a love letter to the main tune from OUATITW...

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Inception (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 160'55 rating:        5/5
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  1. Logos (0:45)
  2. Cobb Meets Saito (2:05)
  3. Extraction (7:05)
  4. Audition (1:17)
  5. I Don't Like Trains (1:06)
  6. Hotel & Helicopter (6:08)
  7. Miles Introduces Ariadne (4:53)
  8. Physics & Subconscious (3:46)
  9. Totem (1:14)
  10. Thief & A Forger (1:48)
  11. Mombasa Chase (2:33)
  12. Penrose Steps & Sleepers (5:09)
  13. Vultures Are Circling (3:15)
  14. Strategy (7:03)
  15. Dreams Or Memories (5:43)
  16. En Route (3:29)
  17. Looking Into Limbo - Interrogation (5:59)
  18. Saito's Fate (0:43)
  19. Disappointed (1:43)
  20. Mal & Cobb (7:06)
  21. Into The Van (3:13)
  22. Mr. Charles (12:34)
  23. Destabilization (2:43)
  24. Planning The Diversion (1:22)
  25. To The Complex (3:28)
  26. It's A Trap (8:51)
  27. Walking Through Limbo (4:43)
  28. An Idea Is Like A Virus (2:23)
  29. Truth Once Known (7:30)
  30. Fischer & Son (3:27)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  31. Honor Our Agreement (4:43)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  32. Welcome Home Mr. Cobb (3:39)
  33. F Riff Suite (1:58)
    Hans Zimmer
  34. Mal Dark Suite (7:53)
    Hans Zimmer
  35. Mombasa Suite (4:55)
  36. E Tragic Strings Suite (1:39)
  37. Kick It Suite (4:06)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  38. Time Suite (4:38)
    Hans Zimmer
  39. Looking Into Limbo (Alternate) (0:53)
  40. Mr. Charles (Alternate) (2:40)
  41. Incepton Trailer Music (1:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
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Mike reply Replies: 4 || 2014-02-19 03:06:56
E Tragic Strings Suite (1:38) that a new addition to the tracklist? I don't recall seeing that there before...

thejok3rrules2014-02-19 04:55:47
It is a new addition...

Anonymous2014-02-20 03:27:30
Wonder what theme it is....

Areozz2014-02-20 04:40:15
We can't be missing out on much considering that it's less than two minutes long. It's just another little thing Hybrid decided to add on top of removing the credits. I don't mean to sound rude, but sometimes he can be a selfish little bitch. An action that he might feel will make him the hero or make him special is more likely to make him look like an asshole.

I expect the new track to be something along the lines of the middle part of "Waiting for a Train" from the OST, which can also be found in the Reverie and Sleep Dreams from the Dream App. I wouldn't fret over it too much.

SanAntonioSpurs2014-02-20 18:24:22
this suite (Tragic Strings Suite) - track Saito Fate ?

Anonymous reply Replies: 15 || 2014-02-15 15:57:38
I was watching the movie today and listening to the music on a scene-by-scene's amazing how much Lorne Balfe did on this score. It's really good music, too. Does he ever feel disappointed that he isn't properly credited?

MacArthur2014-02-15 17:54:56
What the heck is the download Arrow for?

thejok3rrules2014-02-15 20:47:46
It looks better with it.

MacArthur2014-02-16 01:28:56
Ok Cause I was wondering why the heck you have the download arrow when you can't download the track. or at least I couldn't

Mike2014-02-16 21:14:31
Re: the initial post, I have a question here maybe Hybrid can answer....seeing as Lorne Balfe's Kick It theme is used A LOT throughout this movie (I'd call it one of the primary themes), was it Hans who decided he wanted that theme used so much (even though he didn't write it) or did the director like it a lot and want them to use it?

Anonymous2014-02-16 22:13:37
hybrid where do you get crediting info from? or are you not allowed to say? :P

Hybrid Soldier2014-02-17 00:00:07
Since all this has become such an important melodrama around here, I just removed the credits...

Hope it eases your minds !

Edmund Meinerts2014-02-17 12:08:57
Huh? What? Why would you do that, Hybrid?

Anonymous2014-02-17 15:09:00
Read this quote from a Lorne Balfe interview to the end, everybody, then tell me: is it really SO shocking that judging by his description of things, he'd end up writing a good deal of the score (he's talking about Inception an Sherlock Holmes below)?

“There’s lots of producers I know where they don’t really do much. They just come in and listen to something and then make one change—turn the cowbell up and then everyone else does the work. It’s totally different with me; it’s really a case of trying to help create a sonic world and figure out the different instruments being used, and also I was doing additional writing on it as well. So it’s trying to help create the sonic world. I might have different ideas and it will be put in. I think if you don’t [sometimes tell Hans his direction is wrong] you don’t create anything interesting, because you might like orange juice and I don’t. Or we could discuss why we actually don’t like it and use a teaspoon of apple juice and we get a mix. If either of us don’t like something, we say it, and that creates a good partnership.”

Anonymous2014-02-17 15:10:41
And bear in mind that unlike, say, TDKR where Lorne was basically just Hans' arranger, he was the producer on this film, which, as the interview quote shows, is a much larger role.

Mike2014-02-17 15:16:20
Thanks, Anonymous. Very interesting quote. Hybrid, does Hans have the same role as the producer in Modern Warfare 2's score as Lorne does on some of Hans' scores? Because I've always thought that MW2's score had Zimmer's influence all around.

MacArthur2014-02-17 16:02:41
I'm with you on that one Mike. Also though if that is the case. I still think that on this score Lorne (by his own words) is an Additional Music composer. Not a co-Composer he takes the Ideas that Hans already wrote. and either adds to them or says let's change that around a bit.

But I would be interested on the take of what would be the Mw2 score if that is the case Zimmer was more than just a producer and main theme guy. he should actually be on with additional music if not co-Composer on that score.

Does what i say make sense?

Hybrid Soldier2014-02-17 16:03:00
When Lorne gets an "Additional Music / Music Producer" credit, it's a disguised way to say co-composer (Inception, Frost/Nixon, Sherlock 1 & 2...)

MacArthur2014-02-17 16:14:20
Oh! ok thanks for the info. What about CoDmw2

Mike2014-02-17 16:18:14
Here's the one thing I don't get (don't take this as melodrama—I have no problems with collaboration or anything. I just want opinions). Hans said in some interview once that he likes collaboration because, among other things, it gives the other guys experience, and he said wants people to know "that Lorne Balfe is a good composer", which is part of the reason he always works with him. But wouldn't a better way to get Lorne's name out there be to actually put Lorne's name up there with Hans' on scores where Lorne's work is substantial? Idk, maybe it's not Hans' call, but if he wants Lorne to be known in the composing world, the current way isn't best IMO. Because so many people think that with Inception, all the music you're hearing is Zimmer. And all that does is boost peoples' esteem of Zimmer and keep them in the dark about talents like Lorne Balfe. Most people don't bother looking at more specific credits. ;)

MacArthur2014-02-17 21:48:59
I do see what you are saying Mike. Although with the Inception score Technically Zimmer did write most of it. (aside from the kick it suite. even though that was used most in the film.) The other stuff was written by Zimmer then you have a mix of both for the score. as Lorne said in the interview "Hans would write something and I would add something and we'd decide whether to keep it or throw it away." Although the method to get him in. with the other top people is probably to give him a film he can actually do by himself.

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2014-01-24 03:33:37
Does anyone else think of part of "The Briefcase" from Horner's Amazing Spider-Man when they here the "Hotel & Helicopter" cue in here (the part when Cobb is talking to his kids on the phone)?

Areozz2014-01-24 14:12:40
Not exactly. But what I do hear is James Horner being James Horner. If I'm listening to the right bit of music, all I hear is Horner's A Beautiful Mind, specifically "Playing A Game of Go".

Mike2014-01-24 15:29:11
Where I really heard A Beautiful Mind was The Ganali Device. ;)

whatabout reply Replies: 1 || 2014-01-10 08:02:03
why is missing the "logos" theme in "Truth Once Known" ? on the normal album the track called "waiting for a train" and there is the theme and that france song.

badbu2014-01-10 08:55:40
i think "waiting for a train" ist the film version...

SanAntonioSpurs reply Replies: 2 || 2013-12-12 20:59:55
Miles Introduces Ariadne
Music Composed by: Lorne Balfe- because Kick It Suite same...

Mike2013-12-12 21:09:45

SanAntonioSpurs2013-12-12 21:43:21
This music piano notes I know, I find :)

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2013-09-20 23:34:10
Am I the only one who's NOT in love with the "Dream Is Collapsing/F Riff Suite"? A lot of people say that it and Time are the highlights of the score, and Time is definitely really good (as is the rest of the score), but Dream is Collapsing doesn't do much for me. I much prefer the Kick It Suite.

MacArthur2013-09-21 00:53:56
Time Is Fantastic. Dream Is Collapsing. I Honestly think was A very good part of the score. I like it. (In terms of the other score) Dream within a Dream.

Anonymous reply Replies: 8 || 2013-09-17 16:31:54
How involved, Hybrid, is Zimmer with the use (in the film) of music he didn't write? Like the Kick it Suite.

MacArthur2013-09-17 17:32:07
I would say Zimmer did most of it. He is credited.

Mike2013-09-17 17:38:23
MacArthur, crediting is truly irrelevant. Look at Curse of the Black Pearl. Was Zimmer credited there? No, but he wrote most of the music, as we later find out.

MacArthur2013-09-17 18:17:59
Good point there but also on this site. Zimmer is credited as Composer for curse of the black pearl. I'm sure if Lorne actually wrote most or half or even 30% he would be credited as Co-Composer, Hybrid is not stupid and he knows all the stuff that goes on.

One more thing. I say that Zimmer did most of this also because, he got an oscar nomination and didn't get one for the Dark Knight. (Because of to many Composers) so I think that it is fair to credit 90% of this score to Zimmer aside from the Satio Theme Zimmer wrote most of this score. it's like The Dark Knight Rises, I think that most if not all was written by Hans, but Arranged by Balfe. See my point

Edmund Meinerts2013-09-18 08:27:31

Kick It Suite is credited to Lorne Balfe. Balfe ALONE. As you say, Hybrid is not stupid, and he wouldn't do that if Hans was involved in that cue to any great extent.

To me, this score is roughly 70% Zimmer and 30% Balfe.

Mike2013-09-18 14:32:14
And let's not forget that, in addition to the Kick it Suite, which appears very often throughout the score, Balfe did another very common theme ALONE as well: Robert Fischer's. And if Hybrid's crediting is right, it looks as if he did Saito's theme, too, which is used a lot in the beginning parts of the film.

MacArthur2013-09-18 20:32:58
Ok But still on the Smaller score a lot of what I heard was Zimmer, I wouldn't credited Balfe as a Co-Composer.

Areozz2013-09-18 21:48:51
A lot of what you heard was Zimmer? What do you mean? Do you have God's ears? Can you hear, among all the dedicated composers who work with RCP, and of all the works they have all done, which pieces of music were definitely absolutely written by Hans Zimmer? I mean, a lot of other composers' stuff sounds like Hans Zimmer as well.

MacArthur2013-09-18 22:40:03
There are differences in all the Rcp Composer's leave it alone

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2013-08-11 00:13:51
I wonder why no "Mr. Charles (Alternate II)" is listed. In the film, when Cobb and Fischer are running from the projections and enter the restroom, it uses Fischer's theme, while the cue listed here uses the Mombasa theme. But then, I guess TDKR had no alternate versions of "Batman Chased", "Rooftop Fight", "Imagine the Fire", or "Fernet-Branca", which were all different in the film.

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2013-08-09 16:54:44
The Projections bonus track = the Extraction cue, but which cues make up the bonus track Don't Think About Elephants?

Nightmare2013-08-09 18:54:31
Don't Think About Elephants is a shortened version of It's A Trap.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2013-06-29 22:40:55
It seems like Lorne was given a lot of freedom here when it came to arranging Hans' music (as opposed to TDKR, where he just copied and pasted the music exactly as written by Zimmer). The only things in here that really seem 100% Zimmer to me are "Extraction" (since it uses the Dream is Collapsing suite almost exactly), "Mombasa Chase" and "Into the Van" (since they're just slight alterations of the Mombasa suite), "Truth Once Known" (since it borrows heavily from the Mal suite), and "Welcome Home, Mr. Cobb" (since it's basically the Time suite made into a cue).

The rest seems just loosely based on Hans' work.

Guitwo reply Replies: 3 || 2013-05-16 00:43:41
i've just finished CD one with Into the Van... it's a mind blowing soundtrack to me. one of Zimmer's best by far.

And I thought i was bored by Inception's soundtrack. it's just wonderful music and then you skip to the next track ... here goes an outstanding piece and skip again to the next then you go "oh my ears!!!" and it goes on'n'on 'til the end.

Mike2013-05-16 02:28:16
This reminds me...why does this (and every complete score practically) have CD1/CD2/etc...? The score wasn't put on CDs, was it?

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-17 12:30:59
Actually you're right... We are discussing files... I'm removing them... :)

Mike2013-06-03 09:31:08
Poe, your answer is right here.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-05-28 05:49:22
Hybrid, can you confirm whether Lorne is responsible for Saito's theme?

Poe reply Replies: 0 || 2013-05-20 19:32:45
Why no CD 1, CD 2 anymore?

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2013-05-20 06:03:13
For those wondering what album tracks are cues vs. suites, it looks like the cues (perhaps edited) are:

Half-Remembered Dream (Warner Bros and Syncopy logos, slightly extended)
Radical Notion (Ariadne building a dream)
528491 (the "disappointed" scene where Fischer opens the safe)
Dream Within a Dream (a mix of fighting in the snow and walking through limbo)
Waiting for a Train (an edited version of Cobb's confession to Mal)
Paradox (Cobb going back to get Saito from Limbo)
Projections Bonus Track (the beginning mission)
Don't Think About Elephants Bonus Track (an edited version of the second part of the fortress fight)

Then the following would be suites:

One Simple Idea
Old Souls
We Built Our Own World

Nightmare2013-05-20 06:37:31
Everything except "We built our own world" is a suite.
That track is actually a trimmed version of "Dreams or Memories"

Per reply Replies: 1 || 2013-05-09 09:47:29
You guys do realize that this page has been here for quite a while now...

Anonymous2013-05-20 06:05:25
How's that?

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 2 || 2013-05-17 02:47:09
One of my personal favorite tracks in the complete score is Into The Van. I had to crank the volume way past 10!

Guitwo2013-05-17 08:50:04
same here one of my favourite (if not my favourite).

Mike2013-05-20 05:55:38
My favorites are "An Idea Is Like a Virus", "Mr. Charles", ""Into the Van", and "Fischer and Son", as well as the Time Suite. :)

Radik reply Replies: 1 || 2013-05-18 10:54:28
Untitled track # 1 it's very similiar like Memento

Radik2013-05-18 10:57:02
Well I mean ''Looking Into Limbo (Alternate)''

JamesT reply Replies: 1 || 2013-05-15 04:20:01
I personally think, in the vast majority, it's hard to decompose the collaborations and contributions -- granted, there are instances where it's explicitly clear, as reflected in Hybrid's track credits and personal comments. I think it starts with Hans -- the suites, the sketch book, the original ideas -- he "plants the organic seed", which really means Music by Hans Zimmer, not at all discounting the individual contributions of a few or many. I constantly listen to Pacific Height and Point of No Return, but no more or less than TLS, Crimson, or TDKR. His sound has evolved, in a great way I think. His collaborations are wider in instances and smaller in others. The Fan will always be one of my favorite scores. I thought his early collaborations with HGW were awesome. I absolutely loved The Bible. Sorry for the rant. I think this year, particularly, is going to be a terribly impressive and highly anticipated collection of work from Hans and team. Especially with MOS. I think he is the best at it (and his team). Not even he gets it right 100% of the time -- but he almost always does and it's just pure talent and magic. Then and now.

JamesT2013-05-15 04:23:57
And I love Inception. It's just damn great much of the unreleased material is floating around...

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 30 || 2013-05-13 22:22:34
Holy crap! Why no co-composer credit for Balfe then? :p

Thanks, Hybrid, as always. :)

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 22:27:14
He got a producer credit, like with the Sherlocks... It's not a "little" thing on a Zimmer score. Cause it means he had his word to say on the direction to take.

Then, most of the themes are HZ. Lorne wrote some subthemes, hence the "additional music" credit, not just an "arranger". And Lorne adapted the suites into film cues... So yeah, pretty big role here...

cheesy2013-05-13 23:02:09
So basically Lorne was the one who scored to picture. Is this how scores with Hans usually go?

Mike2013-05-13 23:03:24
That seems to be how it was with TDKR, cheesy...But then, idk...

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 23:04:56
More or less. HZ still is the one who gives a go or not to a cue, gives the general direction, even reworks it himself if needed. All this is a lot more complicated than it would seem. :)

Anonymous2013-05-13 23:05:13
The thing that confuses me: if Lorne arranges most of the cues for these movies, why doesn't it say THEMES by Hans Zimmer/score by Lorne Balfe?

Mike2013-05-13 23:11:57
Because there's PROBABLY more to it than that, Anonymous.

Aragorn2013-05-14 01:54:14
@Anonymous: I bet if Hans had his way it WOULD say that. He once said:

"Originally I had this idea that it should be possible to create some kind of community around this kind of work, and I think by muddying the titles – not having 'you are the composer, you are the arranger, you are the orchestrator' – it just sort of helped us to work more collaboratively. It wasn't that important to me that I had 'score by Hans Zimmer' and took sole credit on these things. It's like Gladiator: I gave Lisa Gerrard the co-credit because, even though she didn't write the main theme, her presence and contributions were very influential. She was more than just a soloist, and this is why I have such a problem with specific credits."

cheesy2013-05-14 02:30:17
Sometimes I wonder if the director ever feels kind of snubbed by that, honestly. Most that Hans works with probably don't care too much, but I always wonder if an auteur ever comes along and says, "I hired you to work on this music, not your company or a bunch of young composers from Germany."

Mike2013-05-14 02:37:13
The only problem I have, like Anonymous and Zimmer himself, is the fact that these scores say "Music by Hans Zimmer". At most, that's untrue. At least, it's a huge oversimplification.

Ds2013-05-14 03:29:21
Mike, you're right. But on a commercial basis, it's always better to have "Music by Hans Zimmer" on the cover.

Still, there must be a reason why the "Zimmer" scores are better than the other RCP composers' individual soundtracks... Collaborative work or not, i still believe Hans has something very, very special that nobody else's got.

cheesy2013-05-14 03:55:41
@Ds About that last part, undoubtedly. That's why I said what I did earlier.

Lorne is a very talented man himself. He's an excellent arranger. He's nowhere near Zimmer but he's got a great ear for style. That's probably why Sherlock and Inception turned out so good in all forms.

Scores like the POTC quadrilogy, on the other hand, who involve 20 different random arrangers from god knows where to stitch together cues out of 10 minutes of Zimmer music? It shows. The suites and themes are some of the best Zimmer's ever done, but a lot of the film cues sound like horse shit.

Hans Zimmer is one of the greatest film composers of our generation, but there has been a palpable quality decrease in his film arrangements over the past 10 years or so, because his involvement becomes less and less. Take the Batman trilogy. Holy shit, the complete score for Batman Begins is so good. Each and every cue has its own identity and purpose. Three years later, TDK is awesome, too, but what you hear in the film just doesn't seem as sound.

Now, four years after that, take a look at the complete score for TDKR. Tracks literally sound like fan edits. If someone had sent me tracks like "All Out War" or "Stock Exchange" claiming they were legitimate, I'd tell them to stop trying to pull shit over me. It's ridiculous. The suites and themes done by Zimmer are incredible, but hardly any of them are used.

The "collaborative musical efforts" thing can only go so far. It started out as that and sounded pretty great, but has now been reduced to almost disregarding the film mix completely.

MGDrone2013-05-14 04:54:34
cheesy, you made an excellent point earlier about Hans' work with the directors. As much as it might seem that Hans does a small percent of the work, or that the arrangers do a huge part of the work, come on guys let be a little realistic here. A man like Hans Zimmer doesn't make it to be the most influential and sought after composer today if he were really sitting back for the majority of the process and letting his assistants do most of the work. He's got the directors, the producers, the studio execs, etc breathing down his back throughout the process. This is still a professional job. Now, granted, his assistants deserve a certain amount of respect and recognition. They're recognized by the directors Im sure. But I'm pretty sure that even Gore Verbinski, Chris Nolan, Ridley Scott (back in the day), etc know/knew that the assistants weren't really involved in the creative work. Come on guys! Who writes the themes and melodies (the very foundation of a score)?! Who comes up with the sound palette, and all of the creative decisions?! Hans Zimmer! And, at the end of the day, what are the arrangers REALLY doing?! Taking HIS music and tweaking it a little, and not even all the time. Sometimes, they simply COPY and PASTE portions of his theme suites. And, if Hans doesn't approve, he says so and it doesn't get done. Take TDKR, for instance. I mean, goodness, the whole score is portions of Bane Suite, Moody Bruce... Suite, Cat Suite (I haven't even heard the whole thing), past theme suites, and past cues from BB and TDK. What the heck is the point of crediting Lorne Balfe, or any of the other arrangers? It's a formality. To me, TDKR is 100% Hans, because youre listening to HIS music from start to finish! I would also argue that in many cases we simply dont know how much music (theme suites) Hans came up with in the eraly stages of a project. Yes, there are other cases when the assistants actually write original music for the score, but if you make some careful observations, you'll find that it's really not as often as people generally suppose. And at the end of the day, you must ask yourself the critical question, whose music am I really listening to?! I'll be honest, if an RCP guy working on a score with Hans didn't actually write a theme or melody (like Zanelli with POTC 1-3, Balfe with Megamind, etc) I'm skeptical as to the extent of their influence on the entire score. Especially because generally most of them have had weak solo scores.

NM2013-05-14 05:12:27
@cheesy I think "All Out War" et al were just edited versions of the Bane suite, don't think they bothered re-recording it for whatever reason. Admittedly, it sounds incredibly choppy and poorly-edited listening on the CD, but in the film you don't notice.

@MGDrone "Taking HIS music and tweaking it a little, and not even all the time. Sometimes, they simply COPY and PASTE portions of his theme suites." - I think a lot of the time, the music is a LOT more than just tweaked though. The additional composers did a hell of a lot more than just 'tweak' the Rango suite for example.

Mike2013-05-14 05:12:41
"...the whole score is portions of Bane Suite, Moody Bruce... Suite, Cat Suite... To me, TDKR is 100% Hans, because youre listening to HIS music from start to finish!"

That's true, and in TDKR's case I can see why they would just say "Music by Hans Zimmer". As you said, the music was all just different arrangements of themes he himself wrote. But what about Inception, where Lorne not only arranged MOST of the cues but also wrote Fischer's theme (if I'm not mistaken...), as well as the "One Simple Idea" theme? I'd say he definitely deserves co-composer credit.

And Geoff Zanelli is another example--he wrote the Spanish theme for POTC4, worked on a LOT of cues, wrote Calypso's theme for POTC2/3...Doesn't that deserve more credit than simply "additional music".

Aragorn2013-05-14 05:25:13
Would it be going too far to say that Lorne did as much on Inception as James Newton Howard did on The Dark Knight?

cheesy2013-05-14 05:31:47
No, I definitely wouldn't say that. From what I can gather the only recurring themes that belong to Lorne are Saito's Limbo theme and the theme for Fischer.

Aragorn2013-05-14 05:42:30
Maybe I'm showing my stupidity here, but did JNH write anything in TDK other than Harvey Dent's theme and whatever obvious JNH material was reprised from BB?

Mike2013-05-14 05:52:53
I know that in addition to Dent's theme and BB stuff, JNH also
did the scenes involving Harvey Dent and Thomas Schiff, and he also scored Dent's final scene in the movie.

Anonymous2013-05-14 05:55:04
And despite the fact that it was mostly Hans' work, I believe JNH had a hand in the main "Dark Knight" theme.

Vladimir 2013-05-14 06:10:08
cheesy, how do you know lorne did saito's limbo theme?

cheesy2013-05-14 06:23:41
Because Hans did the theme suites himself, none of which include that theme, and the only instance of it occurring by itself is "Saito's Fate," which is credited exclusively to Lorne.

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-14 09:06:58
"...the whole score is portions of Bane Suite, Moody Bruce... Suite, Cat Suite... To me, TDKR is 100% Hans, because youre listening to HIS music from start to finish!"

That's what everyone working on those scores, including Lorne, would say... ;)

JNH did the Two-Face theme, "Eye For An Eye", as well... :)

matthew2013-05-14 11:12:52
the last harvey scene? you mean Watch The World Burn? (official release)
that music is kind of a signature for Hans...
he wrote it for Gladiator (Am I not Merciful?) but he used it in Pearl Harbor / Angels & Demons

Edmund Meinerts2013-05-14 11:20:53
"Watch the World Burn" is definitely JNH. Hans must have temp-tracked it into "Immolation" from Angels and Demons...but JNH also temp-tracked it into "The Stampede" from Water for Elephants!

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-14 11:21:20
Yeah it sounds a bit similar, but it's 100% JNH, trust me... After he wrote that he thought he had done everything he could on a Batman movie...

cheesy2013-05-14 13:25:50
I'll bet he did, as he should. One of my favorite cues of all time.

Anonymous2013-05-14 23:41:34
I'd love to know what TDKR would've been like, had JNH been involved...

Mike2013-05-14 23:44:12
I feel like JNH would have composed Selina Kyle's theme.

Edmund Meinerts2013-05-14 23:58:24
I'll probably take flak for this, but I think a JNH-composed Selina Kyle theme would have been better than what we got... ^^

Mike2013-05-15 00:12:11
I don't know that it would be better per se, but I do think it would be interesting and I would welcome the chance to hear such a thing.

Sean Connery reply Replies: 0 || 2013-05-14 23:56:26
The Mombasa Chase cue is great stuff!! Far better than the suite.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-05-14 05:29:33
An Idea Is Like a Virus is awesome

Radik reply Replies: 0 || 2013-05-13 15:35:59
''Mr. Charles'' absolutely mind blow cue Thanks for this release :)

Jimmer reply Replies: 4 || 2013-05-13 12:47:14
Hybrid, can you tell us who composed what on this? Like, how much was Balfe involved? Just curious, as always. Thanks.

Edmund Meinerts2013-05-13 12:57:06
Seconded. Balfe was pretty deeply involved in this one, wasn't he? I mean, considering how many of his scores since have sounded a lot like Inception I wouldn't be surprised. :p

T-Mann0362013-05-13 14:48:28
From what we know, so far, is that Lorne have composed "Fischer & Son", "Honor Our Agreement", "Kick It Suite", and "Trailer Music".

cheesy2013-05-13 14:59:44
So was Lorne responsible for these themes generally, or just these arrangements? Because the theme in "Kick It Suite" is used in different ways throughout the entire movie. Plus "Honor Our Arrangement" includes the main theme at the beginning and the Saito/Limbo theme at the end.

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 15:04:32
I added them... Nothing official, but it should be pretty accurate...

Jimmer reply Replies: 10 || 2013-05-12 14:37:48
Well, I believe this has just been leaked. You know where to go...

T-Mann0362013-05-12 15:02:50

Stygian2013-05-12 15:25:10
yes, yes it has.

al bundy2013-05-12 15:30:15
agreed. it got leaked.

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-12 16:23:24
Haaaaaa fantastic the nonsense here will have a break. As long as possible I hope.

Mr Motivator2013-05-12 16:40:39
Hopefully....once one score is leaked they leach onto the next. i am seeing the last samurai next on here.

Nightmare2013-05-12 18:57:42
I'd rather see Hannibal next, but I'm quite satisfied with Inception and Sherlock Holmes for the time being. We should all be grateful and patient for the next arrival.

Anonymous2013-05-13 00:11:05
Well I download all 3 leaked full scores and I am still wondering what all the fuss is about cause all the interesting and award winning moments where on the commercial releases (with bonus tracks).

The only Zimmer complete score so far that I think really improves about a 100 times on the commercial release is Pirates 3 At Worlds End.

Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 00:15:43
You crazy ? :O

Thief & A Forger ? Strategy ? Hell, even Welcome Home Mr Cobb is (to me) a better arrangement than HZ's Time Suite itself !

Edmund Meinerts2013-05-13 00:19:26
Ahh, At World's End...I doubt Hans or anyone else in RCP is ever going to top that stroke of genius. Inception doesn't even come close. ;)

Mike2013-05-13 00:24:06
I'm with Hybrid here: are you crazy?!

Aragorn reply Replies: 6 || 2013-05-11 10:00:44
Is Old Souls on the album part of the Mal Dark Suite?

Mike2013-05-11 10:04:00
I believe "Old Souls" on the album IS the Mal Dark Suite. Observe the lengths: practically identical, give or take a couple seconds. Plus, didn't Hybrid say Old Souls was a suite? It would only make sense that it's that one.

Aragorn2013-05-11 10:13:27
So let's see...Judging by lengths, it may be fair to say that:

F Riff Suite = One Simple Idea
Mal Dark Suite = Old Souls
Mombasa Suite = Mombasa (obviously)
Kick It Suite = Maybe an extended version of Dream is Collapsing?
Time Suite = Time (obviously)

Can you confirm anything, Hybrid?

Anonymous2013-05-11 10:15:24
But the kick it suite is like half the length of dream is collapsing...

Mike2013-05-11 10:20:13
Anonymous, that's irrelevant. Hans is known to cut down suites for album releases. For example, the original version of the "Dark Knight" suite was 19 minutes, cut down to 16 for the album. The Harvey Dent suite was 10 minutes, cut down to 6 on the album. The upcoming 28 minute suite from Man of Steel was originally 35 minutes (7 minutes cut away is considerable).

So don't go by lengths. ;)

Mike2013-05-11 10:21:35
And I believe you meant to say that the Kick It Suite is TWICE (not half) the length of Dream is Collapsing.

Nightmare2013-05-12 05:36:01
Kick It Suite: One Simple Idea
F Riff Suite: Dream Is Collapsing
This makes sense because "Kick It" can be found on Lorne Balfe's website.

Anonymous reply Replies: 4 || 2013-05-09 07:52:33
Now I'm confident any complete score can see release.

Nerd2013-05-09 07:58:19
Like The Last Samurai...

Nightmare2013-05-09 07:58:55
Or Hannibal!

Stygian2013-05-11 05:18:28
i would also love the sessions for the last samurai (incl. inserts, alternate mixes, etc.)

greg2013-05-11 09:38:42
Yes please all of you stop this shit and now start bitching about the last samurai so that it finds its place here as well

Cobb reply Replies: 0 || 2013-05-11 10:30:05
The way you hear the amazing music play as he opens his eyes, and you know it's all over...Ah, so amazing. :)

Mark reply Replies: 6 || 2013-05-09 17:43:34
01. 1m00 Logos 0:44
02. 1m01 Cobb Meets Saito 2:05
03. 1m02 Extraction 7:04
04. 1m03 Audition 1:16
05. 1m06 I Don't Like Trains 1:05
06. 1m07 Hotel & Helicopter 6:06
07. 2m08 Miles Introduces Ariadne 4:52
08. 2m10 Physics & Subconscious 3:47
09. 2m11 Totem 1:14
10. 2m12 Thief & A Forger 1:48
11. 2m13 Mombassa Chase 2:37
12. 3m14 Penrose Steps & Sleepers 5:08
13. 3m15 Vultures Are Circling 3:14
14. 3m16 Strategy 7:02
15. 3m18 Dreams Or Memories 5:55
16. 4m19 En Route 3:30
17. 4m22 Insert 0:53
18. 4m22 Looking Into Limbo 5:57
19. 4m23 Saito's Fate 0:43
20. 4m24 Disappointed 1:38
21. 4m25 Mal & Cobb 6:57
22. 5m26 Into The Van 3:12
23. 5m27 Insert 2:45
24. 5m27 Mr. Charles 12:36
25. 5m28 Destabilization 2:42
26. 6m29 Planning The Diversion 1:21
27. 6m30-33 To The Complex 3:25
28. 6m35-36 It's A Trap 8:50
29. 6m37 Walking Through Limbo 4:43
30. 7m38 An Idea Is Like A Virus 2:22
31. 7m39-43 Truth Once Known 8:00
32. 7m44 Fischer & Son 3:27
33. 7m46 Honor Our Agreement 4:47
34. 7m47 Welcome Home Mr. Cobb 3:40
35. Kick It Suite 4:07
36. Mombassa Suite 4:59
37. Riff Suite 2:43
38. Time Suite 4:37

Nightmare2013-05-09 17:50:29
We already have a track list, thank you.

Mark2013-05-09 17:52:23
Not with slate numbers.

greg2013-05-09 18:31:14

Radik2013-05-09 19:38:41
Just as you :P :D

Stygian2013-05-11 05:14:50
is anyone else finding it funny that he posted under the name Mark...

Nightmare2013-05-11 05:21:28
Mark G?
I'm laughing my ass off it's so funny.
Really though...Unless the G stands for Garage?

Preacher reply Replies: 2 || 2013-05-10 22:09:02
Which album tracks were edited to make the alternates?

Mike2013-05-11 03:39:33
I'd love to figure that out as well...

Anonymous1232013-05-11 04:30:26
Mal Dark Suite = Old Souls
Tráiler Music = Composed by Lorne Balfe.

With these two tracks you will complete The Recording Sessions that will be leaked son.

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