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Excited!!!God’s gun theme reminds me of part of “River Mission” from Battlefield 2: Modern Combat OST. I think Lorne was an additional composer on that score aswell (excellent OST btw)God’s gun theme reminds me of part of “River Mission” from Battlefield 2: Modern Combat OST. I think Lorne was an additional composer on that score aswell (excellent OST btw)"It's good shit lieutenant" The principle is based on Thomas Newman's Bond.  "Take back what's ours" and "the truth" is Ad astrahonnestly, I do get why people refer to MW2, but to be honest, it's not the same.  With the amount of time I heard that score, I can say that it uses the same drums, and a pattern that is quite similar to the one used in MW2, but it is not a copy/paste.  It's no different to me than Junkie XL re-using the same pattern of drum in all of his recent scores since Mad Max.  When it comes from the same composer, I guess it's normal to have works that parts that similar from a score to another.  Just think of John Murphy who re-use his powerful theme from Sunshine in a lot of his scores (28 weeks later, kick-ass, etc).   <br><br>Actually I'm quite glad he re-used the themes from Mancina as that was, to me at least, a big miss for BB2 even though Rabin and Jablonsky did a great job.  It's like doing a James Bond movie without the Bond theme.  It might be good, but it miss the little something that gel everything together. ;)  I really like what Lorne did on this one.  Even though he re-used the theme, he made them his own, in a similar way he did with MI Fallout, while sometime paying homage to the original ones. ;)  My 2 cents.
Not really familiar with either Mancina’s BB score or MW2, but I’m really enjoying this. It’s like an old-school MV score filtered through Lorne’s sound. The main tune (which I’m guessing is Mancina’s) is a lot of fun, particularly when paired with the choir. <br><br>And as for Ad Astra, the villain motif in “Take Back What’s Ours” sounds like it was directly lifted from the space scenes of that score.can I see the clip? is it on YouTube?can I see the clip? is it on YouTube?I love the score. It is action packed and to the point.<br><br>I saw his orchestra clips as well but I wonder why he actually spends the money and effort for orchestra when the end product sounds (as usually) 100 percent sample library. All the dynamics of real players are gone in the final mix so why bother with orchestra at all...I'm highly disappointed by the score... Lorne went the very easy way and recycled the MW2 score as well as the Mancina theme in almost every track. Like seriously... the only thing u here is MW2, Main Theme and lot of rustle-synth score. 1/10! No effort went in this score and I dont say that often.
As for Ad Astra, unfortunately i can't hear anything from Ad Astra aswell :/ It's just MW2 mixed with Mancinas themes for me. And the cues from MW2, they aren't just drums, all the guitars, melodies, vibes, even the choir or the voices are included. The above mentioned cues from MW2 are not complete, there are plenty of them, but these will give you the idea of what we've mentioned. Again, i'm not mad, i'm happy that a wider audience can hear these cues, but then again, on MW2 they sounded better and fresher than on the BB3 score (i mean the quality of the recordings - you can hear the cues and instruments more directly. On the BB3 score it sounds like being in a bathroom hearing to the MW2 score). And as i said earlier, i would like to understand or know what Lorne thought about using all these cues. Time pressure? Unused opportunity for a wider audience? And then again that synth-sound even using a real orchestra :/@ Mr Tweedy:<br><br>MW2 has hundred of cues, which has all the special atmosphere and sound-effects, but try listen to these cues to understand what i and others mean:<br><br>- Guerilla Tactics <br>- Guerilla<br>- Contingency<br>- Breach<br>- Retreat and Reveille<br><br>Funny thing, play the cue "Guerilla Tactics" from MW2 and let Shazam try to find out what track that is. It shows me as "Lorne Balfe - We're Dangerous People" from BB3 :DI really like this score!<br>Sure he used Mancina's Theme, that's allright cool, I don't hear anything similar to Ad Astra....don't know why somebody compare this score with Ad Astra....<br>That MW2 sounds are very great, he don't copy himself, he just used the Drums, what's definitely be OK!!<br><br>I don't know why people always want to compare scores....Everybody use his own Temp Music sometimes, that's normal!Please could you give me the exact name of the track from MW2 that is used in BB3? I’d like to compare both!I love Lorne´s music and all, but I am genuinely wondering, why they decided to re-use MW2 so much in the score
as for the drums, yes, i would understand. but the orchestra? you're recording the strings from a real orchestra, so why the downgrade in sound-quality?Because that parts are sampled drums and there are no real?i don't know what to think about the use of mw2. i mean, i love his work for mw2, it's TOO good to be just a score for a game, a wider audience should hear this, so i'm kind of happy to hear some parts of it here. BUT somehow, it's kind of a lazy move just to copy that 1:1. some cues are untouched and some cues are layered with some themes of mancina. i would be interested to know what was he thinking while doing this? <br><br>i followed his video uploads on his social media channels, where he showed some snippets of the orchestra and i truly loved that. but while hearing at the score, i'm dissappointed to hear the quality as it sounds like synth. i mean that typically Balfe synth sound quality. if he uses truly orchestra, than it's a shame and pitty that it sounds like synths in the end. he needs a better recording or mixing or whatever to get rid of that synth-quality-design and having the true-orchestra feelingMancina's theme + Ad Astra + MW:2= Bad boys for Life.Please enlighten me on how Bad Boys 3 sounds the same as Lego Batman or Genius: Picasso
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Kung Fu Panda (Complete Score)
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  1. DWA Logo Chinese Inspired (0:35)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell (Harry Gregson-Williams)
  2. Legend Of Dragon Warrior (Hero) - Get Up (4:42)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  3. Shifu - Furious Five (0:36)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  4. Oogway Summons Shifu (2:19)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  5. Selling Noodles - Shifu Gong (1:09)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  6. Po Stairs To Souvenir (1:45)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  7. Let The Tournament Begin - Furious Five (2:16)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  8. Dragon Warrior Is Among Us (2:03)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  9. Po Is Chosen (0:44)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  10. The Celebration (1:05)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  11. Shogun Mongol Prison (3:00)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  12. Reprise Festival (0:17)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  13. Sacred Hall Of Warriors - Master Shifu (2:49)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  14. Can't Wait To Get Started (0:42)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  15. How's That?? (1:47)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  16. First Night (1:20)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  17. You Don't Belong (0:49)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  18. Peach Tree Of Wisdom (1:53)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  19. Splits (4:21)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  20. Sparring Match (2:41)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  21. Accu-Flashback (3:22)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  22. You Must Believe - Oogway Ascends (1:32)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  23. Po Imitates Shifu - Oogway Cannot (2:18)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  24. Shifu Must Convince Po (2:17)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  25. Furious Five Set Out (1:08)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, John Ashton Thomas
  26. There Are No Accidents - Training Begins (5:14)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  27. The Last Dumpling (1:38)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  28. The Bridge (3:23)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  29. You Have Done Well - There Is No Secret Ingredient (7:49)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  30. Shifu Battles Tai Lung - Shifu's End (4:47)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  31. Enter The Panda - Battle For Scroll (2:31)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  32. Secret Of The Scroll - Wushi Finger Hold (2:41)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  33. Dragon Warrior Risen - Celebration - Shifu (3:22)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  34. Kung Fu Fighting (1:58)
    Cee-Lo Green, Jack Black, Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  35. Po Tune (2:39)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  36. Spiritual Tune (Oogway) (2:04)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
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Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2019-09-10 21:03:50
Did Powell write Tai Lung’s theme?

Knight reply Replies: 1 || 2019-03-20 19:18:34
I noticed that on Kung Fu Fighting here, Try on KFP3, and Here Comes the Sun on Bee Movie complete that there are primary composer credits on them (HZ, JP here, HZ on Try, Rupert on Here Comes the Sun) but both the film and booklet info doesn't credit them. Did they do ghost arranging/producing on them?


Knight2019-03-20 19:22:58
Kung Fu Fighting (Celebration Time) on KFP3 also has a HZ credit despite again the booklet not crediting him for anything on it.

Mike reply Replies: 20 || 2016-07-11 16:33:33
So given your updated credits, Hybrid, I am left wondering: what exactly did Henry Jackman do to merit a credit on "Spiritual Tune"? Cause "Peach Tree of Wisdom" has no Jackman credit and is basically the same thing, and the same tune in KFP2 and 3 never has Jackman credit, either.


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-11 17:12:54
The 2 suites are HZ, Po & Oogway, those themes are his...

I think Jackman just arranged Oogway for the suite, working on Hans' demo, doing some orchestration.


anon2016-07-11 21:25:21
does Hans do demos for every cue?


Mike2016-07-11 22:18:02
^ Question seconded. I've always wondered that too. If I'm not mistaken, there's always some of Hans' music put to the scene before everyone else goes to work, but I'd love to know more.


Anonymous2016-07-11 22:41:04
"The 2 suites are HZ, Po & Oogway, those themes are his..."

Hybrid, I'm pretty sure the Po Tune is both of them with Powell doing the initial idea. Look at what Zimmer said in a Kung Fu Panda 2 interview:

"The Po tune... John started up with something, he had a tune and I had a bass line (and that became sort of a secondary tune). So John started up with something and then I took it and added the orchestration. But he didn't have a B section and I did. And then the 'Furious Five' tune is pretty much all John."


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-11 23:34:30
Depends on the projects but usually Hans's themes or suites are temped in the film.

I'll take a case, Nolan's films. They are not temped with "other" music much. On Inception or Interstellar, Hans' big suites are cut down by temp music editors and put in the whole movie, and then Hans & his team get to work on arranging, programming the score, and fill in the gaps. For Inception, Lorne had a big part in that process (Lorne writes so fast that he also ended up writing theme suites based on Hans ideas, he originally wrote tons of suites based on POTC 1 themes for POTC 2 lol).

For Interstellar all the notes are basically Hans, the guys just did some cutting/transitioning/programming.

Now to take the examples of a few cues (not suites), I'll take something like Messages from Home from Interestellar, this is not "suite-related", it's a cue Hans improvised on screen.

The main theme from Rush was also directly written by Hans to picture as a demo. The Moonlight Serenade from POTC 1 was written by Hans to picture, then Geoff orchestrated/arranged it. Same score, Commandeering the Interceptor, Jim Dooley was working on the cue but in the end Hans reworked it a lot himself. Blackbeard's Entrance from POTC 4 was written by Hans and orchestrated by Matthew Margeson.

So, all this to say what ? There's no rule, it depends on the project and how it goes. People might have more freedom on some projects where Hans has a little less interest or time, but he's always there and usually just brings them to what he wants them to do. The thing is he's not a super fast writer like Lorne can be... He can spend a full day or 2 in the studio on a cue with one of his guys (Hans doing night shift, and when he sleeps, the other guy continues the cue, and then Hans returns and rework it & so on) until they are happy with the result. So when you have a deadline to meet and some parts of scores to be rewritten 3 or 4 times, better have some back up ! :P

Anyway, better stop right now, I could discuss this all night...


Mike2016-07-11 23:40:02
Interesting! I always liked the "Our World" ambient cue from Interstellar, so I assume that, too, was an HZ on-screen improv cue?

Also, you say this: "For Inception, Lorne had a big part in that process (Lorne writes so fast that he also ended up writing theme suites based on Hans ideas, he originally wrote tons of suites based on POTC 1 themes for POTC 2 lol)."

From that, I take it the Robert Fischer and "Kick It" themes were indeed rough ideas from Hans that Lorne then fleshed out?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-11 23:41:01
Anonymous, true, but careful with all Hans says, he will also tell you Junkie XL wrote Batman's theme ! ;) lol He will make everything to give the good role to the other guy and not him...

Hans co-writes a lot of themes, was the case on Batman Begins, or Megamind (& pretty much every Lorne score he shares a co-credit with lol).

Powell himself won't consider it much to be his (Furious Five, that's for sure, it's JP, can't be more Powell lol), Hans did the majority.


Mike2016-07-11 23:47:52
This is all very interesting. Thanks for the info. Really.

Since you brought it up, do you know what specific elements of the Batman theme are Junkie XL? We know the slamming percussion and the three note motif is Hans, but did Zimmer do the main "tune" of the theme as well?


Tuskan2016-07-12 07:41:41
Thanks for the info hybrid! Do you know what cues he mainly did in kfp2 since there's no suites?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-12 08:26:37
The 2 big cues Father & Son / Baby Po and Po Finds The Truth.

And there is a suite in KFP 2, called Skadoosh Suite.


Tuskan2016-07-12 12:43:05
Interesting. Any idea what skadoosh suite is?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-12 13:35:36
Absolutely not !


Tuskan2016-07-12 15:35:19
Are these KFP very collaborative scores like you mentioned Batman Begins, or more split up evenly?

Like for example, something like Zen Ball Master where you see 3 composers credited (lorne,jp,hz), is it the case that Hans does a bit then John does a bit, Lorne does a bit or is it just left to Lorne to do mostly by himself.

This insight into the process is really cool btw. Thanks again for sharing.


Mike2016-07-12 17:39:46
"Father and Son / Baby Po" - is that the first minute of Po Finds the Truth?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-12 18:57:53
Nope, it's a 5 min cue which is missing...


Mike2016-07-12 23:31:34
Ah... what scene is it? :P


,,,2016-07-13 23:00:54
I swear the beginning of shen frees soothsayer sounds like a classic lamenting moody hans piece!


Mike2016-07-13 23:20:29
I agree... And remember, though, just because Hybrid lists two cues that Hans did most of, that doesn't mean he did nothing else.


Mike2016-07-13 23:20:29
I agree... And remember, though, just because Hybrid lists two cues that Hans did most of, that doesn't mean he did nothing else.


Michael Fields2018-08-25 06:29:01
Yeah, but what about the Kung Fu Fighting from the first movie? Does it really produced by Zimmer and Powell?

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 0 || 2017-03-05 19:44:32
With all the other Jackman credits on this score, I'm actually sort of surprised not to see his name on "Dragon Warrior is Among Us". There's a passage from about 0:40-1:15 that sounds quite clearly like his style (the snare drums, the little fanfares that sound like Puss in Boots/Wreck-it Ralph...). Is it possible he contributed to that track as well?

buxuhuxi reply Replies: 0 || 2016-08-20 14:21:43
kill

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 10 || 2016-07-05 00:07:51
Some "definitive" cuesheet for that one...


Mike2016-07-05 00:17:11
Thanks. A little less Henry Jackman than before, I see. I'm not saying the following to criticize, cause the end result is what really matters, but is it just me or has Hans' involvement in this franchise become less and less with each installment? In this score, there's a fair amount of cues that Zimmer obviously did a lot of work on. The next score had a lot of Lorne Balfe in it, with Zimmer doing "Po Finds the Truth" and maybe a couple other parts, but his contributions aren't major. And then with the third film, the new themes were written by Imagine Dragons and by Lorne Balfe, and there are only one or 2 moments that sound remotely Zimmerish... Why doesn't he just say he's not really interested in continuing with the series?


Ds2016-07-05 19:10:03
I guess Hans had more of a "music coordinator" role on KFP3. And I guess even if Hans wanted to be credited that way, Dreamworks would prefer to stick to the "Music by Hans Zimmer" tagline, which sells much better :-)


Mike2016-07-06 16:59:56
Yeah, I guess the crediting on 3 was a purely monetary idea. If you look in the liner notes, the directors talk about the wonderful score that "Hans and Lorne" wrote for the movie, and the booklet also gives Lorne direct credit for the new Father / Son theme. But I guess the studio is more concerned about catching peoples' attention with the album cover, and maybe a "Music by Hans Zimmer & Lorne Balfe" wouldn't do that as nicely.


iii2016-07-07 16:41:54
Here's a wild theory: maybe Hans actually composes the scores he's hired to write.


Mike2016-07-07 23:30:48
Except when he doesn't. ;)

I guess we don't really know how much he did on Kung Fu Panda 3, but we do know what he didn't do, too.


Edmund Meinerts2016-07-09 19:07:12
Ah, so naive, iii. It's cute. Don't worry, we were all that way once. :)


iii2016-07-10 00:18:27
Are you saying he didn't compose these scores? Think about what you're implying.


Mike2016-07-10 15:31:12
iii, you must be unfamiliar with how Zimmer scores work when they have Lorne Balfe as a "producer." There are a few examples in his career of this, and "producer" for Lorne in such cases = co-composer.


Edmund Meinerts2016-07-10 16:24:19
We're not saying he didn't do anything...we're saying he certainly didn't do everything.


Mike2016-07-10 17:31:55
And I'm, perhaps, adding to it that "not everything" with KFP3 is a bit more so than usual... ;)

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2014-11-20 16:33:04
I'm really looking forward to score #3. It'll be really impressive if that score can top Kung Fu Panda 2.


Zimson2014-11-20 20:07:15
Yeah, kinda wait for that one. If John Powell doesn't confirm soon, he'll never do.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 11 || 2013-05-13 16:08:49
BTW I added that... :)


T-Mann0362013-05-13 16:28:19
Thanks for adding that, Soldier!


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 16:33:00
I should add Prince of Egypt too... I'm a little behind schedule... Shame... lol


...2013-05-13 16:39:35
Lol, maybe Sherlock Holmes as well!

and by the way, do you know anything about Holmes 2?


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 16:46:00
I won't add SH.


Mr. Fate2013-05-13 17:17:55
And before everyone starts complaining, Hybrid has already explained why he won't post a page for Sherlock Holmes.


...2013-05-13 17:21:59
I know


Preacher2013-05-13 17:41:38
Why no SH page? I must have missed that.


Aytekin2013-05-13 19:01:37
For god sake, sherlock holmes is just an isolated score not original sessions..


T-Mann0362013-05-13 19:02:53
Preacher, give it a rest will ya?


Preacher2013-05-13 19:28:55
Just asking a simple question, guys. No need for hostility.


Mike2013-12-17 04:30:22
Hey, I just saw this, and Hybrid, if you ever get around to doing Prince of Egypt, do know I'm probably not the only one who would appreciate it. ;)

Unless you have already and I've just been too stupid to look...lol

Zaralith reply Replies: 1 || 2013-08-04 10:35:34
I want this! Now!


Mike2013-08-04 20:37:59
That's great. ;)

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 5 || 2013-05-13 22:32:56
Thanks for this. I wish there was a little more clarity about Zimmer and Powell's roles, though, because there are definitely parts of this score that scream out either Powell (e.g. the opening) or Zimmer (Oogway's theme) to me (unlike KFP2, which screams Powell from A to Z), and yet apparently they both worked on every cue. That's probably because of the themes, though, so I guess it can't be helped...


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 22:35:33
You can't really tell them apart but when Henry wrote on a cue, you can consider it was HZ's responsibily, while the rest was JP... :)


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-13 22:38:51
Also quite surprised to see just how much Henry Jackman contributed...even in "Spiritual Tune" which is "Oogway Ascends" from the album...I had that one pegged for 100% Zimmer.


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-13 22:41:05
Thanks, that's a good tip. Explains the Oogway Ascends thing then. :)


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 22:44:53
Just like on KFP 2 when Lorne was in charge of the cue, it's was with Hans, while all the Mounsey / Lewis ones were JP... :)


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-13 23:03:02
Really? Because two of the Balfe ones are "More Cannons!" and "Zen Ball Master", and both of those sound mostly Powell to me (except the endings in both cases, which sound like Balfe and more specifically Megamind...). But maybe Balfe only did the endings of those and Powell (and Dom Lewis) handled the rest.

I guess it really isn't as simple as "he did this, and he did that", huh.

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