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Yep. He will be in Nightwing's next solo movie<br>I think we all agree, Lorne Balfe is getting better and better, he's working at the speed of light and handles many different genres. Plus, he seems to be a very cool person. I'm really happy he got there, and I believe he'll be getting some major movies in the next few years (Terminator Genysis, Geostorm & Ghost in the Shell don't count, they were predicted failures undergoing a damage control process).<br><br>But anyway, I think his best solo score is still Home.Maybe there is a big surprise and Disc 2 is different from the actual release. If you look at the download files you see 01-01 to 01-24. I think Disc 2 must be named 02-01, 02-02...etc.Can I ask why there is no page made for The Nut Job 2 by Heitor Pereira?I'm not upset, nor am I disinterested in Balfe's work. Don't get me wrong. I welcome any and all discussion! But there's a difference between "discussion" and "blind fanboy gushing", and I've seen way more of the latter here this year than the former.
Have to agree because if you havenít an interest in Lorneís work then just donít goto his films topics ! Either way I like the suite here good old school MVIf you have an issue with Balfe simply donít click on Geostorm etc! Just ignore it . God knows why Edmund gets so upset !!!! You donít have to read the postsThis is already a much more interesting conversation than all the blind praise that was being spilled earlier. Thanks guys! :DEverybody is free to love whatever music they want, but I agree that the Balfe praise is a bit over the top. I mean I saw a comment that said that all of Balfe's scores from 2017 were the best of their genre which I think is over the top. I mean nothing against Balfe, he's a very good composer, but I just don't think he deserves all that praise about him being the best.Anything, @LP. I myself have spent several hours of my life listening Balfe's work and, of course, commenting here.<br><br>It's okay to get on a page and say "this is the best score of all ages" or "this is the worst shit I've ever heard", as long as this behavior is restricted to a minority who has make the mistake of making this kind of comment because not listened to many jobs of the same composer or of other composers or who do not respect his efforts to carry out the work.<br><br>
> Waymann - Ramin did good work on A Mountain Between us.  Completely atypical of his recent outputs, and showed more range.  It is rooted a bit in his work on Hans' rom-com scores (i.e. The Holiday) and sounds excellent overall.Just wondering, why would anyone have an issue with people who go into a Lorne Balfe soundtrack page to rave about the work of Lorne Balfe?I'm not saying that I don't like his music, because I really do, but I think there are also a lot of composers this year that have created amazing scores and they don't get the same talk. Let's mention Ramin Djawadi for The Mountain Between Us, Benjamin Wallfisch for A Cure For Wellness and It, and even outside of RCP like Giacchino with his fantastic War for the Planet of the Apes, Beltrami with The Snowman or the recent Ragnarok by Mothersbaugh (well, this does not belong in this page, so I understand why there is no talk about him).<br>And I repeat that I like Balfe, but not everything he does is perfect, and for example this, I don't consider it too original, because it reminds me to a lot of older scores. And for example, from Balfe I think one of the best was Churchill, and that didn't get much talk or praise neither.I do not think anyone here is hurting because another composer besides of the HZ - JP - HGW triad is being well received by the audience. Well, I agree that this behavior in any session regardless of who the composer is, is very uncomfortable. But we have to understand that each an of the RCP guys has its glory days. Balfe is conquering his. The problem is the proportions of compliments. Many people liked PoTc 5 (best RCP score of the year in my opinion, of course), for example, many also hated, the justifications were many, but the discussion was balanced. If you enter on the forum of  any score of any composer you find diverse but balanced opinions, what is missing in the forums about Balfe scores is this balance. Nothing against the growth of his popularity or the reception of his scores, only the judgments that seem a little too exaggerated. It's even a little weird.Due to Edmund getting upset !!!! Iím scared to ask about if anyone knows about The Florida Project ????
How pathietic that it bothers some ,that some of us are excited about another composers music. Get a life people. Balfe has become a great composer this year so give him a break . If you donít like it , you can find another forumI agree, I'm shocked no one is talking about how great Ramin Djawadi's score is for The Mountain Between Us. Much better than this new Lorne Balfe score, I'm mean really, this Geostorm score is just a constant reminder to other scores from RCP from the past. Nothing original here. Only the track May Day is memorable.I like it too but I don't understand why this thread is full of slobbering fanboys while nobody is talking about, say, Kingsman 2 which is just as good. I don't want to stop anyone talking about his music but did we really need every day this year for someone to go "oh my god I can't wait for Lorne to release another unreleased cue from Ghost in the Shell"? It doesn't contribute anything meaningful and makes this site look even more like a YouTube comments section than it already does.Your right Edmund ..... how dare we take about any other composer apart from Zimmer or John Powell!  Thankfully your point of view is in the minority. There is obviously a reason why he is one of the busiest composers . Geostorm isnít original BUT itís great music and I like it at leastI couldn't agree with you more JBSO99. I don't know what's up this year because a ton of Balfe fanboys seem to have crawled out of the woodwork. He's having a very solid year but people are acting like every score he puts out is a masterpiece or something, which...nah.
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  1. DWA Logo Chinese Inspired (0:35)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell (Harry Gregson-Williams)
  2. Legend Of Dragon Warrior (Hero) - Get Up (4:42)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  3. Shifu - Furious Five (0:36)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  4. Oogway Summons Shifu (2:19)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  5. Selling Noodles - Shifu Gong (1:09)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  6. Po Stairs To Souvenir (1:45)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  7. Let The Tournament Begin - Furious Five (2:16)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  8. Dragon Warrior Is Among Us (2:03)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  9. Po Is Chosen (0:44)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  10. The Celebration (1:05)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  11. Shogun Mongol Prison (3:00)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  12. Reprise Festival (0:17)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  13. Sacred Hall Of Warriors - Master Shifu (2:49)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  14. Can't Wait To Get Started (0:42)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  15. How's That?? (1:47)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  16. First Night (1:20)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  17. You Don't Belong (0:49)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  18. Peach Tree Of Wisdom (1:53)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  19. Splits (4:21)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  20. Sparring Match (2:41)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  21. Accu-Flashback (3:22)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  22. You Must Believe - Oogway Ascends (1:32)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  23. Po Imitates Shifu - Oogway Cannot (2:18)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  24. Shifu Must Convince Po (2:17)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  25. Furious Five Set Out (1:08)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, John Ashton Thomas
  26. There Are No Accidents - Training Begins (5:14)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  27. The Last Dumpling (1:38)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  28. The Bridge (3:23)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  29. You Have Done Well - There Is No Secret Ingredient (7:49)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  30. Shifu Battles Tai Lung - Shifu's End (4:47)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  31. Enter The Panda - Battle For Scroll (2:31)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  32. Secret Of The Scroll - Wushi Finger Hold (2:41)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  33. Dragon Warrior Risen - Celebration - Shifu (3:22)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  34. Kung Fu Fighting (1:58)
    Cee-Lo Green, Jack Black, Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  35. Po Tune (2:39)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  36. Spiritual Tune (Oogway) (2:04)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
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Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 0 || 2017-03-05 19:44:32
With all the other Jackman credits on this score, I'm actually sort of surprised not to see his name on "Dragon Warrior is Among Us". There's a passage from about 0:40-1:15 that sounds quite clearly like his style (the snare drums, the little fanfares that sound like Puss in Boots/Wreck-it Ralph...). Is it possible he contributed to that track as well?

buxuhuxi reply Replies: 0 || 2016-08-20 14:21:43
kill

Mike reply Replies: 19 || 2016-07-11 16:33:33
So given your updated credits, Hybrid, I am left wondering: what exactly did Henry Jackman do to merit a credit on "Spiritual Tune"? Cause "Peach Tree of Wisdom" has no Jackman credit and is basically the same thing, and the same tune in KFP2 and 3 never has Jackman credit, either.


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-11 17:12:54
The 2 suites are HZ, Po & Oogway, those themes are his...

I think Jackman just arranged Oogway for the suite, working on Hans' demo, doing some orchestration.


anon2016-07-11 21:25:21
does Hans do demos for every cue?


Mike2016-07-11 22:18:02
^ Question seconded. I've always wondered that too. If I'm not mistaken, there's always some of Hans' music put to the scene before everyone else goes to work, but I'd love to know more.


Anonymous2016-07-11 22:41:04
"The 2 suites are HZ, Po & Oogway, those themes are his..."

Hybrid, I'm pretty sure the Po Tune is both of them with Powell doing the initial idea. Look at what Zimmer said in a Kung Fu Panda 2 interview:

"The Po tune... John started up with something, he had a tune and I had a bass line (and that became sort of a secondary tune). So John started up with something and then I took it and added the orchestration. But he didn't have a B section and I did. And then the 'Furious Five' tune is pretty much all John."


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-11 23:34:30
Depends on the projects but usually Hans's themes or suites are temped in the film.

I'll take a case, Nolan's films. They are not temped with "other" music much. On Inception or Interstellar, Hans' big suites are cut down by temp music editors and put in the whole movie, and then Hans & his team get to work on arranging, programming the score, and fill in the gaps. For Inception, Lorne had a big part in that process (Lorne writes so fast that he also ended up writing theme suites based on Hans ideas, he originally wrote tons of suites based on POTC 1 themes for POTC 2 lol).

For Interstellar all the notes are basically Hans, the guys just did some cutting/transitioning/programming.

Now to take the examples of a few cues (not suites), I'll take something like Messages from Home from Interestellar, this is not "suite-related", it's a cue Hans improvised on screen.

The main theme from Rush was also directly written by Hans to picture as a demo. The Moonlight Serenade from POTC 1 was written by Hans to picture, then Geoff orchestrated/arranged it. Same score, Commandeering the Interceptor, Jim Dooley was working on the cue but in the end Hans reworked it a lot himself. Blackbeard's Entrance from POTC 4 was written by Hans and orchestrated by Matthew Margeson.

So, all this to say what ? There's no rule, it depends on the project and how it goes. People might have more freedom on some projects where Hans has a little less interest or time, but he's always there and usually just brings them to what he wants them to do. The thing is he's not a super fast writer like Lorne can be... He can spend a full day or 2 in the studio on a cue with one of his guys (Hans doing night shift, and when he sleeps, the other guy continues the cue, and then Hans returns and rework it & so on) until they are happy with the result. So when you have a deadline to meet and some parts of scores to be rewritten 3 or 4 times, better have some back up ! :P

Anyway, better stop right now, I could discuss this all night...


Mike2016-07-11 23:40:02
Interesting! I always liked the "Our World" ambient cue from Interstellar, so I assume that, too, was an HZ on-screen improv cue?

Also, you say this: "For Inception, Lorne had a big part in that process (Lorne writes so fast that he also ended up writing theme suites based on Hans ideas, he originally wrote tons of suites based on POTC 1 themes for POTC 2 lol)."

From that, I take it the Robert Fischer and "Kick It" themes were indeed rough ideas from Hans that Lorne then fleshed out?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-11 23:41:01
Anonymous, true, but careful with all Hans says, he will also tell you Junkie XL wrote Batman's theme ! ;) lol He will make everything to give the good role to the other guy and not him...

Hans co-writes a lot of themes, was the case on Batman Begins, or Megamind (& pretty much every Lorne score he shares a co-credit with lol).

Powell himself won't consider it much to be his (Furious Five, that's for sure, it's JP, can't be more Powell lol), Hans did the majority.


Mike2016-07-11 23:47:52
This is all very interesting. Thanks for the info. Really.

Since you brought it up, do you know what specific elements of the Batman theme are Junkie XL? We know the slamming percussion and the three note motif is Hans, but did Zimmer do the main "tune" of the theme as well?


Tuskan2016-07-12 07:41:41
Thanks for the info hybrid! Do you know what cues he mainly did in kfp2 since there's no suites?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-12 08:26:37
The 2 big cues Father & Son / Baby Po and Po Finds The Truth.

And there is a suite in KFP 2, called Skadoosh Suite.


Tuskan2016-07-12 12:43:05
Interesting. Any idea what skadoosh suite is?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-12 13:35:36
Absolutely not !


Tuskan2016-07-12 15:35:19
Are these KFP very collaborative scores like you mentioned Batman Begins, or more split up evenly?

Like for example, something like Zen Ball Master where you see 3 composers credited (lorne,jp,hz), is it the case that Hans does a bit then John does a bit, Lorne does a bit or is it just left to Lorne to do mostly by himself.

This insight into the process is really cool btw. Thanks again for sharing.


Mike2016-07-12 17:39:46
"Father and Son / Baby Po" - is that the first minute of Po Finds the Truth?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-12 18:57:53
Nope, it's a 5 min cue which is missing...


Mike2016-07-12 23:31:34
Ah... what scene is it? :P


,,,2016-07-13 23:00:54
I swear the beginning of shen frees soothsayer sounds like a classic lamenting moody hans piece!


Mike2016-07-13 23:20:29
I agree... And remember, though, just because Hybrid lists two cues that Hans did most of, that doesn't mean he did nothing else.


Mike2016-07-13 23:20:29
I agree... And remember, though, just because Hybrid lists two cues that Hans did most of, that doesn't mean he did nothing else.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 10 || 2016-07-05 00:07:51
Some "definitive" cuesheet for that one...


Mike2016-07-05 00:17:11
Thanks. A little less Henry Jackman than before, I see. I'm not saying the following to criticize, cause the end result is what really matters, but is it just me or has Hans' involvement in this franchise become less and less with each installment? In this score, there's a fair amount of cues that Zimmer obviously did a lot of work on. The next score had a lot of Lorne Balfe in it, with Zimmer doing "Po Finds the Truth" and maybe a couple other parts, but his contributions aren't major. And then with the third film, the new themes were written by Imagine Dragons and by Lorne Balfe, and there are only one or 2 moments that sound remotely Zimmerish... Why doesn't he just say he's not really interested in continuing with the series?


Ds2016-07-05 19:10:03
I guess Hans had more of a "music coordinator" role on KFP3. And I guess even if Hans wanted to be credited that way, Dreamworks would prefer to stick to the "Music by Hans Zimmer" tagline, which sells much better :-)


Mike2016-07-06 16:59:56
Yeah, I guess the crediting on 3 was a purely monetary idea. If you look in the liner notes, the directors talk about the wonderful score that "Hans and Lorne" wrote for the movie, and the booklet also gives Lorne direct credit for the new Father / Son theme. But I guess the studio is more concerned about catching peoples' attention with the album cover, and maybe a "Music by Hans Zimmer & Lorne Balfe" wouldn't do that as nicely.


iii2016-07-07 16:41:54
Here's a wild theory: maybe Hans actually composes the scores he's hired to write.


Mike2016-07-07 23:30:48
Except when he doesn't. ;)

I guess we don't really know how much he did on Kung Fu Panda 3, but we do know what he didn't do, too.


Edmund Meinerts2016-07-09 19:07:12
Ah, so naive, iii. It's cute. Don't worry, we were all that way once. :)


iii2016-07-10 00:18:27
Are you saying he didn't compose these scores? Think about what you're implying.


Mike2016-07-10 15:31:12
iii, you must be unfamiliar with how Zimmer scores work when they have Lorne Balfe as a "producer." There are a few examples in his career of this, and "producer" for Lorne in such cases = co-composer.


Edmund Meinerts2016-07-10 16:24:19
We're not saying he didn't do anything...we're saying he certainly didn't do everything.


Mike2016-07-10 17:31:55
And I'm, perhaps, adding to it that "not everything" with KFP3 is a bit more so than usual... ;)

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2014-11-20 16:33:04
I'm really looking forward to score #3. It'll be really impressive if that score can top Kung Fu Panda 2.


Zimson2014-11-20 20:07:15
Yeah, kinda wait for that one. If John Powell doesn't confirm soon, he'll never do.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 11 || 2013-05-13 16:08:49
BTW I added that... :)


T-Mann0362013-05-13 16:28:19
Thanks for adding that, Soldier!


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 16:33:00
I should add Prince of Egypt too... I'm a little behind schedule... Shame... lol


...2013-05-13 16:39:35
Lol, maybe Sherlock Holmes as well!

and by the way, do you know anything about Holmes 2?


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 16:46:00
I won't add SH.


Mr. Fate2013-05-13 17:17:55
And before everyone starts complaining, Hybrid has already explained why he won't post a page for Sherlock Holmes.


...2013-05-13 17:21:59
I know


Preacher2013-05-13 17:41:38
Why no SH page? I must have missed that.


Aytekin2013-05-13 19:01:37
For god sake, sherlock holmes is just an isolated score not original sessions..


T-Mann0362013-05-13 19:02:53
Preacher, give it a rest will ya?


Preacher2013-05-13 19:28:55
Just asking a simple question, guys. No need for hostility.


Mike2013-12-17 04:30:22
Hey, I just saw this, and Hybrid, if you ever get around to doing Prince of Egypt, do know I'm probably not the only one who would appreciate it. ;)

Unless you have already and I've just been too stupid to look...lol

Zaralith reply Replies: 1 || 2013-08-04 10:35:34
I want this! Now!


Mike2013-08-04 20:37:59
That's great. ;)

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 5 || 2013-05-13 22:32:56
Thanks for this. I wish there was a little more clarity about Zimmer and Powell's roles, though, because there are definitely parts of this score that scream out either Powell (e.g. the opening) or Zimmer (Oogway's theme) to me (unlike KFP2, which screams Powell from A to Z), and yet apparently they both worked on every cue. That's probably because of the themes, though, so I guess it can't be helped...


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 22:35:33
You can't really tell them apart but when Henry wrote on a cue, you can consider it was HZ's responsibily, while the rest was JP... :)


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-13 22:38:51
Also quite surprised to see just how much Henry Jackman contributed...even in "Spiritual Tune" which is "Oogway Ascends" from the album...I had that one pegged for 100% Zimmer.


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-13 22:41:05
Thanks, that's a good tip. Explains the Oogway Ascends thing then. :)


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 22:44:53
Just like on KFP 2 when Lorne was in charge of the cue, it's was with Hans, while all the Mounsey / Lewis ones were JP... :)


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-13 23:03:02
Really? Because two of the Balfe ones are "More Cannons!" and "Zen Ball Master", and both of those sound mostly Powell to me (except the endings in both cases, which sound like Balfe and more specifically Megamind...). But maybe Balfe only did the endings of those and Powell (and Dom Lewis) handled the rest.

I guess it really isn't as simple as "he did this, and he did that", huh.

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