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Hybrid, what did Danny think of what Hans was doing? Since he tries to claim that no Batman composer after him wrote a "theme"...Okay, so I'm not a fan of Balfe's; I think it's objectively the case that much of his music is very, very similar to work he's already done (seriously, how many times has he made obviously variations of Journey to the Line / Time?). However, his best work is both highly creative and emotionally compelling IMO, not sure how one could expect more than that. Ironclad is actually a good example of thisActually Hybrid my comment is based on their separate  interviews years apart. Zimmer's arguably dismissive comment years ago and Elfman's arguably stern remark about his theme being the only Batman theme, of recent note. <br><br>If they are both good friends who go to each other's barbecues on Sundays and drink beer together, more power to them. If they have a stellar working relationship, well, I obviously am not privy to that, but good on them. However based on what I've heard my impressions don't lean towards the latter.<br><br>If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. <br>  <br><br><br>"Listen to the 'scores' he composed. At best, marginal efforts in sound libraries, they are just utterly shitty."<br><br>Blackwood might want to have a word with you.Too many songs! But at least there is 15 tracks of score.<br><br>BTW, I don't think Djawadi is able just to do themes. His score in GoT Season 7 shows that he is able to do action tracks very well. Also, in GoT Season 6, he shows that he is able to have many themes and develop them in many different ways.
Meta your comment is based on smoke...<br><br><br>Do you have any idea of what Hans & Elfman's relation is ? How many scores Danny mixed at Remote Control ? That when Hans was writing Batman Begins, Danny was in the next room and Hans invited him to check what he was doing ? How many people from RCP Elfman recruited to help him ?lol it's too funny the guy even spent the time of typing all this...<br><br>Some people apparently have very boring lives on this planet !These comments by “Balfe” are comical.god knows where such venom comes from . Maybe an ex employee probably.he was correct on one point .He is indeed a trailer composer.He just did the mission impossible trailer!!!LOL. I guess this "Balfe" guy is one of those trolls from Stop RCP group.Many benevolent saviours explaining the error of our music tastes have surfaced recently, haven't they?
Eh, Mr. Ellipsis, I have to take issue with your appeal to popularity. Justin Bieber sells millions of records. That doesn't make his music good. Last year's piece of crap pointless Beauty and the Beast remake made a frankly terrifying amount of money at the box office. Doesn't stop it being a piece of crap.Guys, I know a lot of you probably think I'm an overly critical snob, but next time you do, just remember this guy and realize how much worse I could be. :pBalfe is not a composer, but still he gets to compose dozens of films and shows every single year, wow. He must be doing something good if he is on of the most busiest composers out there, don´t you think? Or you want to tell me that every producer, director or whoever hires him is deaf? Do you know how many films had to be re-scored by Balfe in the past few years? <br><br>Why you feed the troll?<br><br>Wrong.<br><br>1. Wallfish is a very fine composer, period. Hans is a synth guy.<br><br>2. If Hans wasn't concern about BR he wouldn't do it.<br><br>3. Slavery was abolished 150 years ago. Hans choose to did it and agreed to involve Wallfish.<br><br>4. Maybe true, but it wasn't the thought of Villeneuve.
here we go again:<br>Why Hans Zimmer Got The Job You Wanted (And You Didn’t)<br>https://behindtheaudio.com/2013/07/hans-zimmer/Hey you guys.<br><br>Balfe is a trailer composer not someone who composes real scores. He helps Hans out on his projects and occasionally may have a good idea. He is not an artist, simple as that.<br><br>Listen to the 'scores' he composed. At best, marginal efforts in sound libraries, they are just utterly shitty. The epitome of that is Terminator Genisys that even fans of the franchise found embarassing (and that is for a series based on synth scores). The samples are especially abhorrent<br><br>How he climbed to compose music for real films is a mystery. Go back to one of his earliest scores, the 2009 'score' for Ironclad, to find how utterly disappointing his work has been all the way throughout his career.<br><br>Balfe is a hack. He will never be considered a real composer. The industry knows Hans is pushing him and once that attention goes somewhere else, as it does with Hans frequently, Balfe will be immediately forgotten. Tell me - who actually wants a Lorne Balfe score for their film!!<br><br>You rapid fans supporting his work will be laughed at as being idiotic symbiotic followers. Get a fragging grip.<br><br>Balfe is not a composer. <br><br><br>This score is probably the largest failure of Zimmer's career - these would have been his objectives - think about it:<br><br>1. Enhancing the work of Vangelis for a project he has always admired.<br>2. The chance to work with an absolutely open palette of sounds<br>3. The opportunity to truly reinvent not only film music but MUSIC.<br>4. Ability to work with Denis Villeneuve, a man who gets scores nominated for the fact that they are innovative.<br><br>How did Hans fail here?<br><br>1. Wallfisch, a very fine composer is not a synth guy.<br><br>2. Hans does not give a shit anymore, seriously.<br><br>3. An imposed composer on a passion project rarely works<br><br>4. Johannson's work on Arrival is so beyond Zimmer's abilities that he had to go secure.This score is probably the largest failure of Zimmer's career - these would have been his objectives - think about it:<br><br>1. Enhancing the work of Vangelis for a project he has always admired.<br>2. The chance to work with an absolutely open palette of sounds<br>3. The opportunity to truly reinvent not only film music but MUSIC.<br>4. Ability to work with Denis Villeneuve, a man who gets scores nominated for the fact that they are innovative.<br><br>How did Hans fail here? <br><br>1. Wallfisch, a very fine composer is not a synth guy. <br><br>2. Hans does not give a shit anymore, seriously.<br><br>3. An imposed composer on a passion project rarely works<br><br>4. Johannson's work on Arrival is so beyond Zimmer's abilities that he had to go secure. <br><br><br>Dunkirk is a sound experiment and not a score. It is rather sad to see a fine composer like Benjamin Wallfisch deal with this nationalistic nonsense.
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Kung Fu Panda 2 (Expanded Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 83'46
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  1. Ancient China - Story Of Peacock (2:44)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Paul Mounsey
  2. Dumpling Warrior - Late For Training (1:25)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Paul Mounsey
  3. Inner Peace (2:26)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  4. Wolf Attack (1:20)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Dominic Lewis
  5. Dragon Noodle Warrior (2:51)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Lorne Balfe
  6. Gongmen City - Masters Spar - Shen Reclaims Palace (2:50)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Lorne Balfe
  7. Save Kung Fu - Journey To Gongmen City (3:57)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Lorne Balfe
  8. Po Dreams Of Parents (1:35)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Paul Mounsey
  9. Daddy Issues - Shen's Palace (5:03)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Lorne Balfe
  10. Stealth Mode - Entering The City (4:11)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Lorne Balfe
  11. Gongmen Jail (2:51)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Lorne Balfe
  12. Rickshaw Chase (2:36)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Paul Mounsey
  13. Surrender Palace (2:16)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Paul Mounsey
  14. Face To Face (4:09)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Lorne Balfe
  15. More Cannons (3:39)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Lorne Balfe
  16. The Hardcore Do Understand (0:56)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Lorne Balfe
  17. Shen Frees Southsayer - Fireworks Factory (6:57)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Dominic Lewis
  18. Po Finds The Truth (Part 1) (1:03)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  19. Po Finds The Truth (Part 2) (0:43)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  20. Po Finds The Truth (Part 3) (3:27)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  21. Invasion Begins - Po Returns (2:27)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Dominic Lewis
  22. Po Throws Hat (0:13)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  23. Free The Five (3:39)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Dominic Lewis
  24. The Future Is Here - Zen Ball Master (3:50)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Lorne Balfe
  25. Po Defeats Shen - Reunion - My Son Is Alive (4:55)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Lorne Balfe
  26. Dumpling Warrior Remix (3:31)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Junkie XL
  27. Stealth Mode - Entering The City (Alternate) (4:04)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Lorne Balfe
  28. More Cannons (Alternate Ending) (0:34)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Lorne Balfe
  29. The Future Is Here - Zen Ball Master (Alternate) (3:51)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Lorne Balfe
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Iamtommie reply Replies: 1 || 2017-10-23 00:14:39
Everybody is talking about Shen's Theme. I just can't figure out what his theme really is.
Could someone please note where in wich song and at what time his theme appears?

Thanks very much!


Edmund Meinerts2017-10-23 15:07:54
Just listen to "Invasion Begins", it's almost like a small suite of Shen's theme.

Pablo Reyes reply Replies: 1 || 2016-11-19 03:41:44
Since the very first time I heard the "Lost & Found" theme from HTTYD 2 I noticed it shared a few notes with Shen's theme, so I made this: /watch?v=HMQTiimsdPg
What do you guys think? I think Shen's theme might be Powell ;) but the again, you can never be sure about who composed what.


Mike2016-11-19 16:23:17
You're correct - Hybrid confirmed a while back that Powell did Shen's theme.

mittens reply Replies: 0 || 2015-03-12 15:48:57
Yup, this is only expanded score. Just saw the list of cues from sessions, more than half of them is missing.

NM reply Replies: 8 || 2015-02-27 19:26:35
"More Cannons" one of Balfe's best cues. Listened to it today and it was great! That is all.


Mike2015-02-27 20:19:51
This whole score has some great cues by Lorne Balfe. In Zimmer's own words, "Lorne Balfe was really a hero on that score." :P


Mike2015-02-27 20:37:28
(And by the looks of it, Balfe did more work here than Zimmer did... lol).


Edmund Meinerts2015-02-27 22:16:52
Yeah, you can kind of tell Balfe worked on that one when the Megamind rhythm kicks in 30 seconds before the end. The rest of the cue sounds more Powellish to me though.


Zimson2015-02-28 00:08:51
We already had this discussion but "More Cannons" is basically a variation on the track "Hero" from the first movie which, as we can all agree was mostly done by Powell. That explains the "Powellish" sound.



Mike2015-02-28 00:31:40
Besides, didn't Hybrid say Lorne "mimicked" Powell's sound for the end of My Son is Alive? It wouldn't be a stretch to assume he did so for other parts of the score, too.


NM2015-02-28 07:40:14
I dunno Edmund, all of "More Cannons" sounds like Balfe to me. It has the "Shen" rhythm running throughout the entire track as its foundation. And listen to the quick trumpet writing, it's the same sort you hear in Megamind, and even in "Zen Ball Master". The swirling woodwinds and strings sound very Powellish though, and the ascending scales at 1:51 sound like a Zimmer contribution.

@Mike - "My Son is Alive" sounds exactly like Lorne though.


Edmund Meinerts2015-02-28 12:18:27
Yes, because Powell never uses quick trumpet writing... :p

I can hear both composers' voices, but Powell's is simply a stronger voice...so his sound tends to dominate for me, even though it may well be an even collaboration. "My Son is Alive/My Fist Hungers for Justice" sounds more like "pure" Balfe to me, although ironically the theme owes a lot to How to Train Your Dragon!

The Zimmerish ascending scales are a holdover from the bridge cue from the first KFP, so I'm guessing it's an adaptation of a Zimmer idea by Powell/Balfe.

Geesh, what a clusterfuck all this is. I guess it's old-fashioned of me to say this, but why can't we just have ONE guy compose everything, no confusion, no fuss? :p


NM2015-03-02 22:30:27
Hah, well it doesn't bother me. I think it's cool when you get a couple of people going at it and high quality work results, which still has a coherent narrative. It's fun to try and pick out the different contributions.

The problem is when it becomes a "too many cooks" thing and you just end up with something disjointed. Thankfully, this score is far from.

"Yes, because Powell never uses quick trumpet writing... :p"

Haha, I can't quite describe the difference. Lorne's stuff is more... rhythm I guess? I mean Powell to me is more "Free the Five", which is more dynamic and exuberant I suppose. "More Cannons" has a harsh edge to it which evokes Balfe/Zimmer. Perhaps you're right and it genuinely was a real collaboration there with different ideas pitched in.

"The Zimmerish ascending scales are a holdover from the bridge cue from the first KFP"

Reminds me a lot of "Chess" actually.

Kardo_Fury reply Replies: 0 || 2014-10-26 06:38:13
Is there anyway you can dl this?

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2014-02-04 03:59:37
Did Paul Mounsey do the entire first cue, or just part of it? Because the audio file only has the Story of Shen part, and that in turn was on Zimmer's page when the audio player was there....


Mike2014-02-04 15:24:55
Not sure, but it's really amazing how difficult it can be to tell each composer apart in here (besides Po Finds the Truth, most of which is obviously Zimmer). The rest sounds like Powell, but was supposedly Zimmer's contribution due to the Lorne Balfe credits...

Anonymous reply Replies: 3 || 2013-08-01 15:43:22
So is Paul Mounsey to John Powell what Lorne Balfe is to Hans Zimmer? lol


Mike2013-08-01 15:46:02
That might indeed be fair to say. Mounsey has been on quite a few Powell projects (The Lorax, How To Train Your Dragon, Happy Feet Two, Kung Fu Panda 2, Mars Needs Moms, and probably more) and we all know how often Lorne works alongside Zimmer. :)


Anon12013-08-01 15:49:07
Mounsey also worked on Horton Hears a Who, Rio, Green Zone, Knight and Day, Ice Age 3 and 4, Fair Game, and Bolt--so yes, I would say he is like the Lorne Balfe of John Powell's projects.


J.A.J.2013-08-02 02:48:18
Mounsey also wrote additional music for Epic, which probably explains why parts of Danny Elfman's score sound eerily similar to John Powell's work. It's likely that the folks at Blue Sky Studios wanted to hire Powell for the umpteenth time but couldn't because of his hiatus, so they hired Mounsey (along with Elfman) to write Powell-y music.

Ted reply Replies: 2 || 2013-05-21 02:50:09
Can anyone tell me why this list doesn't seem to include "1m10/11 Father Son & Baby Po?" Was it not recorded?


Mike2013-05-21 03:58:12
This is only the "expanded score", not the "complete score".


Ted2013-05-21 22:31:10
Just thought I'd ask since it's the only thing that seems to be missing. Thanks for your answer!

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 7 || 2013-05-17 13:25:45
Here you go... :)


Jimmer2013-05-17 15:59:18
Oh how I want this!!!


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-17 16:02:23
It's out there, Jimmer...


Jimmer2013-05-17 17:22:09
Edmund, thank you. I didn't know this had leaked yet.


Anonymous2013-05-18 21:01:10
Goodness, so many HZ scores leaked this week. In fact, its been a good year or so for HZ fans (as far as leaked scores haha). I wonder what happened all of a sudden. Definitely hoping for more in the next couple of months. Maybe Pearl Harbor or Hannibal will come soon. At least, thats what I hope haha.


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-18 23:45:15
It's been an absolutely amazing year for leaked complete scores in general! I have a huge backlog of them that I haven't even gotten around to listening to yet. Maybe some disgruntled RC employee quit and rage-uploaded all of them. :p

But...hasn't the complete Pearl Harbor been around for ages?


Anonymous2013-05-20 18:04:07
I don't think so. The only thing I've seen is a promo or expanded with a couple of new cues. The complete hasn't leaked, as far as I know.


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-20 18:51:50
Really? My version is about 102 minutes...maybe not 100% complete for a film as long as Pearl Harbor but hardly just a promo with a couple of additional cues. I've had it for long enough that I don't even remember where I got it.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 4 || 2013-05-19 00:12:12
"Maybe some disgruntled RC employee quit and rage-uploaded all of them"

LOL I can assure you it's not what happened ! :)


Ds2013-05-19 00:36:28
So basically HZ leaked them himself in an act of generosity towards his beloved fans? :p


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-19 01:34:21
Oh, I know. But wouldn't it be a funny story if it was? XD


cheesy2013-05-19 05:48:31
More like Hans had the idea to leak it and then got five different Magic Box composers to upload each file individually.


Mr. Fate2013-05-19 20:26:14
What? Only two composers make up the group Magic Box Music: John Sponsler and Tom Gire.

Mike reply Replies: 3 || 2013-05-17 20:48:17
This is one of the few scores with Zimmer music where I'd say most of the notable stuff was released (the others being The Dark Knight in its 2-disc form, At World's End with all the suites from the Treasures Collection, The Last Samurai, Gladiator, and Crimson Tide).


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-17 22:16:38
Well, yeah, the complete score here is only about 15 minutes longer than the regular album. Powell animated scores (which this really is more than a Zimmer effort) tend to have pretty good releases that contain most if not all of the music, and always all of the really important stuff.

As for your other ones, I agree with all of them except At World's End. The Treasures Collection suites were definitely an absolute godsend, but that still didn't include Maelstrom Pt. 1 or Liftoff, which are both absolutely essential cues IMO.


Mike2013-05-17 22:26:55
Powell animated scores do tend to get good treatment. How to Train Your Dragon was an excellent album. And you're right, Maelstrom pt. 1 and Liftoff are great pieces, which is why I intentionally said the scores contain MOST of the notable stuff. ;)


Aragorn2013-05-17 22:33:14
Another great Powell release was Chicken Run!

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