Written by Hans Zimmer Orchestrated by Benjamin Wallfisch Keyboards: Benjamin Wallfisch Violin: Anne Marie Calhoun Cello: Tristan Schulze Bass: Nico Abondolo Mixed by Daniel Kresco Assisted by Christian Wenger Recorded & Mixed at Remote Control Studios
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We know Hans and that is why we can feel his scores more than any others, that's how he speak to us. This score needs no analisis, it´s Solomon Northup tragic,hopeful,heartbreking story in the hands and mind of H, that´s it!.Thank-you Hans one more time and counting...
Some select soundtrack clips are now available through www.foxsearchlight.com/fyc, including the music underscoring the boat ride.
It's 12 cues. And I see now why Hans didn't want to release it :/ It's a very subdued and minimal score, really not worth serious awards consideration. Pity that other scores such as Zimmer's own Rush for instance, will get overlooked bc of this... but that's the way it always goes with awards
All 21 cues are available for listening through the link now. They're in alphabetical order.
Now I get why there was not a full release, so I'll shut up. Beautiful variations of the theme, and some good additional material on the Fox FYC site. The FYC stuff on eBay is going for $250+?!? Marketing & Money! Certain the film, actors, and our favorite composer will be recognized and awarded! Now, onto the Interstellar trailer and TASM2!
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Yes, a lot of cues are just variations on the Solomon theme which in tern is just a variation on 'Time' from inception ;) but there are pleanty of badass cues in here that are so awesomely experimental for hans! Fans and academics of film music would get this just to study tracks like "boat trip to new orleans"
Agree with Cabok. The musical awards are a bit of a joke. It's more like "oh, we loved that movie, it was so moving, let's say it has one of the best scores of 2013". When will original score, cinematography, special effects, sound mixing and other categories be judged objectively and separately from the movie itself?
Btw it looks like i'm complaining but actually i'm really pleased for Hans, congratulations to him! ... and thank you Fox for finally leaking the original score :-)
I would think a score is judged on how effective it is in the context of the film. It's not Most Original Score or Most Enjoyable Soundtrack Album, it's Best Original Score. Who cares if it's minimalistic and subdued?
I haven't actually seen 12 Years a Slave but I've heard the score is used well.
You're right, but i think much more effort was put into "Rush" than "12YaS" (musically speaking).
Anyway i think this year Steven Price deserves a big win for his astonishing work on "Gravity"!
This album track %96 TIME, music - %1 FUN - %1 ACTION - %1 CLAP %1 Tin sound lol %1 hollow sound :)
12 Years A Slave (For Your Consideration Original Score) 1. Solomon Northup 2. Main Title 3. Bedtime 4. Arrival in Washington 5. Solomon in Chains 6. Preparing for Travel 7. Boat Trip to New Orleans 8. Saratoga Flashback 9. River Rafting Claps 10. Eliza Flashback 11. Escape Sequence 12. Time Passing Sequence 13. Devastated Crops 14. Plantation Life PtA 15. Plantation Life PtB 16. Judge Yarney's Ball 17. Letter Writing 18. Solomon Burns the Letter 19. Soap 20. A Free Man 21. Nothing to Forgive - End Credits
Why isn't it already on the forum?
This needs to be on CD
There is a release date? Where did you find that?
There is not a release date. Where did you read that?
I hope so much that this will be released. Hybrid, can you ask Hans about that?
Stop bothering me with 12 Years A Slave, it won't be released. If Hans wanted (since he owns the rights), it would have been out already. And guess what, it's not !
What I want to know is: Why is no one sharing?
I don't understand... did Hans seriously think "Solomon" was the best track he's written for this movie??
The FYC Promo score is most definitely real.
A film critic I follow on Twitter posted this not too long ago:
So Hans owns the right to his music, he chose to make it available for a bunch of film critics only, and to his fans he chose to give only one cue that's just a copy of another one (i.e.: pointless). I really don't understand. At all.
"he chose to make it available for a bunch of film critics only"
No, it's for Academy voters.
That's even worse cause 99% don't give a shit... It's already on eBay, it says it all...
Yeah it's even worse. Why does Hans care about people who for the most part don't care (and aren't even interested in his music), when he has so much fans asking for the very same thing?
Hans probably has nothing to do with this promo... It's all Fox selling its movie...
Sure Fox sells it better than Hans, that's a fact... -_-
I thought you said Hans owned the rights to his music and could choose to release what he wanted...
Yes but the For Your Consideration campaign is done by the studio, so is this promo...
And yes Hans could, but does not want... :P
What's bothering me is precisely the fact that he doesn't WANT to release it. He knows the studio's releasing it for some privileged people, but deliberately chooses to let his faithful fans starving. But whatever, it'll eventually leak, it's only a matter of time now.
I guess Hans don't want to release it because of the production effort a score album would cause. All of you know that Hans doesn't smash a (nearly) complete tracklist in chronologically in front of you. The album needs to tell slightly different story. And it needs to stand alone for itself.
I don't buy that, he has people at RCP and even a music label directly runned by Steve Kofsky, Hans's associate running RCP, with 14th Street Music...
You should tell Zimmer to release the 12 years a slave score in honor of Nelson Mandela.
You know like the Days of thunder score. XD
Wow. Just wow. This is in such bad taste I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
MacArthur, buddy, did you REALLY just say that?
Hybrid was already annoyed by people asking for a better release. I shudder to think of what this will do.
It was meant to be a joke.
No one should make jokes about death. It's tactless.
I also kinda mentioned it as a way maybe to honor a great man.
No, Mac, you were using the death of a great man to try and get your hands on music you want. I can hardly think of anything less tactless.
Also, APARTHEID AND SLAVERY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
Have you ever heard of Martin luther King. I know that slavery and Apartheid are different what went on with King is basically the same thing.
I just put an Idea forth to maybe dedicate it to somebody. (Like they do in Hollywood) how come when I (a no-name) suggests it people say. Oh...your tactless. But when hollywood does it, they are held as heroes. When they do the same thing?
Answer that question.
You weren't saying that to honor a great man. You were saying it because you want the music. It's like demanding a complete score release of Crimson Tide in memory of Tony Scott. You're abusing a tragedy to further your own goals.
You didn't answer the question.
A Hollywood dedication...okay, let's take an example. John Carter is dedicated to Steve Jobs. I'm guessing that's because of Pixar and Apple's shared history and because Andrew Stanton directed Finding Nemo and WALL*E for Pixar. That's a nice gesture because it's just for its own sake. They didn't use that dedication to try and push the film's marketing, as far as I know - I can't think of any film that has ever tried to do that.
Whereas what you're doing is trying to use Mandela's name and death to get someone to do something for you, in this case release music. Music from a movie that's only very, very tenuously connected with Mandela, if at all. Stanton's gesture is touching and genuine. Yours, if we can even call it a gesture, is crass and insincere and has the added faux-pas factor of "too soon" to boot. In short, you made an ass of yourself. Again.
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you've said some pretty ridiculous stuff on this site MacArthur, but this is stupidness on a whole new level. And you made worse by also mentioning Martin Luther King and by saying it was a joke. Pretty tasteless dude.
Watched movie again today, it's a pity that this album did not include the music when Solomon was been transported in the ship. It's about 5 minute cue and really brilliant music, remind me the style of the music from Shutter Island
In my opinion, ''Solomon'' is one of the most beautiful theme Hans Zimmer has ever scored... Emotional, intense... A ''Time'' ripoff? I couldn't say, I disagree with that statement, but what is sure is how great ''Solomon'' is.
Wow...really? Even taking aside the "Time ripoff" thingy (which doesn't even bother me that much), I've listened to it three times now and still can't remember a damn thing about it except that it was vaguely "nice." Barely emotional and certainly not intense, for me.
I like it.
But it wasn't that memorable.
Maybe it could have been good with more developments...Here, it is finally quite anecdotic. Even if rather nice to hear.
Everyone has to right to have his own opinion, and I respect yours. I just don't share it ;)
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Agreed! And I think it's nice to. listened to it and I like it more every time. It did need more score to support it. If it would have then it might have been memorable. in this case I have changed my mind about it. It is kinda memorable.
When will people stop complaining? If Solomon is a Time rip-off then Time is a CheValiers de Sangreal rip-off.
No, no, Zimson, Time wasn't the Chevaliers de Sangreal ripoff. "A Dark Knight" was. ;)
Time was more of a "Journey to the Line" ripoff. ^^
Huh...The Dark Knight sounds nothing like The Da Vinci code theme. 0_o
Don't bother about similar scoring techniques, John Williams used the same over and over again and nobody calls him repetitive. ;)
Oh, heck yes, John Williams is repetitive. I forget where it was exactly, but in the Adventures of Tintin, when they talked about Bagghar, a piece of music played that sounded a lot like Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. In "Father and Son" from Lincoln, there's a part intensely reminiscent of "Omaha Beach" from Saving Private Ryan. The love theme for Marian Ravenwood from Indiana Jones sounds a lot like the love theme for Han Solo and Princess Leia from Star Wars.
I could go on, but I think you get my point: John Williams is also repetitive, and I'll fully admit it.
And MacArthur, just so you know, I'm talking about "A Dark Knight", the 16-minute suite on the album. Specifically, the first 2 and a half minutes or so. I'm not referring to The Dark Knight as a whole, which is what you said, and which, I agree, doesn't sound like The Da Vinci Code. :)
''A Dark Knight'' is, once again, in my opinion, Zimmer's best track. Ever. EVER.
Yeah Dark knight does sound a little like it. Difference is different chord patterns. and 6/8 time :)
"A Dark Knight" is a superb track but its second half is a bit repetitive and cold. I really don't think it's HZ's best track ever. Some tracks in King Arthur ("Budget Meeting", "All Of Them") are as emotional and majestic as "A Dark Knight", but much more colourful and diverse.
I agree, Joker. If not the whole thing, then at least the first seven minutes or so of A Dark Knight are absolutely fantastic.
The Last 3 Minutes of A Dark Knight is Awesome
It has it's similarities to "Time", but when you play Solomon's theme on the piano you realize the differences
Angels and demons was better overall than anything from TDK
No Way Like A Dog Chasing Cars is the Best.
Like a Dog Chasing Cars is very good, but I must agree that Angels and Demons is, on the whole, a superior score.
Yes! TDK nailed it. I would put that track into the Top 5. Angels & Demons has 160 BPM, Air and 503, but they are not as essential as Like A Dog Chasing Cars and A Dark Knight. Btw, Sherlock is Zimmer's best work imo.
Zimson, how can you mention Angels and Demons without mentioning Science and Religion???? I've said it before and I'll say it again, the middle few minutes are incredible!
It's funny, you all seem to focus on the most recent Zimmer scores. Angels & Demons is great and Sherlock is cool, but come on, At World's End and King Arthur are 100x superior!
King Arthur is good. Not as good as the Dark Knight. Sherlock Holmes was refreshing. Interesting new stuff Not as enjoyable to listen to as a whole score. without the movie that is.
Ds, don't say no one talks about At World's End. The whole expanded score page seems to be full of praises toward it. xD
Mike, yeah i know that, i was part of that discussion too :p
My comment was more about this particular discussion.
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@Mike Science & Religion is very beautiful but I didn't want to make the list too long.
Like a dog chasing cars gets stale, and I have to agree with AwE, I think they are tied with A&D (they were both made by the EXACT same crew)
I don't think that it's gets stale, (Another One of my all time Favorites is Crimson Tide.)
What MacArthur said....How does it get stale?
Personally, I find Solomon a great track. Not an Inception ripoff, but quite frankly a "The Lone Ranger" ripoff. While TLR was a disappointing movie, Solomon sounds a lot like it. Just my opinion.
As for Da Vinci Code & Angels and Demons, I also loved these scores. But not for one moment do I think they best the Dark Knight. "A Dark Knight" doesn't sound anything like it to me, and while I wouldn't say it's Zimmer's best track I will say it's in the top 10. "Like a Dog Chasing Cars" is too.
The problem I had with TDK was that, while it went awesomely with the film, and the Batman theme(s) and Harvey Dent theme were really good, a lot of the music was just noise (because of the Joker or otherwise). On the 2 CD release, most of the tracks besides A Watchful Guardian, Buyer Beware, Chance, and some others were either pervasive action music ("You're Gonna Love Me"—fine within context, not great as a standalone listen) or noise more than music ("You Complete Me"—again, works great in the movie, but...). So while I do love the score and the film, I'll easily agree that better ones are out there. Again, though, the various themes for Batman in the movie are among my favorite Zimmer themes.
So there IS an additional composer...I was worried for a second that there wouldn't be... ;)
Benjamin Wallfisch though?!? :o
Since when is he associated with RCP? I thought he was Dario Marianelli's orchestrator! He's done a few solo scores too (Conquest 1453, Summer in February) and they've been mostly very good. Weird to see him cropping up here.
@Edmund: Well, he was the Orchestrator for Streitenfelds' "Robin Hood". ;)
I hope it is not a on-off scenario. It'd be cool to have someone like Benjamin Wallfisch at HZ's side, one who could bring some old-school orchestral elegance to the mix, much like what Klaus Badelt and Henry Jackman did during their time at the maestro's team.
Just got back from the film. I can see why there Hans may be considering no score release, about 65% of the cues were just variations on the Solomon theme. That said, there were plenty of very awesome, experimental cues that would be great to have (basically everything in the first act)!! I hope a full score gets leaked (though hopefully released) because there is some quality stuff that I think anyone who wants something new from Hans, should hear.
Agreed! Loved the film -- superb effort and outcome from all involved. And you are right Spence. But, many wonderful cues left unreleased. Notable ones in my mind: 1) kidnap and boat scenes, 2)a beautiful bayou scene, 3) Solomon reflection scenes with beautiful string underscores of the theme. I also loved the "music box and chimes" of when the kids were playing and going to sleep.
Not a dry eye in the theater today, including mine. Tough, laboring, historic, human spirit, spiritual, etc. A wonderful film! Let's hope Hans will support an extended release, mainly in the form of suites. 30-40+ mins would be divine. There is enough there without repetition. Even the instrumental variations of the theme are superb!
"Washington" is very good but "Solomon" sounds exactly like Home from Lone Ranger :(
Is this it? So all the score in the movie is just a variation of "Solomon" a.k.a "Home"? Come on. There's gotta be more music than this.
isidur, you are right. Since I already watched the movie,in my opinio, it is a pity that the most creative part of the score is not in this album. Check the clip #2 on youtube then you will know what I mean.
Sounds more like "Safe Now" from Captain Philips to me. Adds fuel to the fire that Zimmer had a hand in that track.
Another Time, Safe Now, ... rip-off. Lazy Zimmer is lazy.
Really? Not, for a moment, denying similarities to some other works and also not dismissing the beauty or effectiveness of a track that I'm certain is perfect for the film. One reviewer of the film commented that, at the conclusion, he/she could not get up out of the seat because history had it's "way them them". That's powerful and I can't wait to see them film and hear the score. At this point, the lack of score release on this one is the most puzzling thing I have ever seen. Certain I'll feel even more confused about it after having seen it. What in the world is going on here? I'm certain, just certain there's much more for all of us to enjoy in another release. I am just dead wrong about it?
Hybrid: please appeal to Hans! Even if LLL did a limited edition release.....something!
I'll certainly buy it if that's the case.
First 3 notes of Solomon, are the first 3 notes of Time in the same chord inversions... some producer really wanted to put Time in this film, eh?
At least the rest is different enough. Kinda.
Why can't we have more like Washington? That sounded amazing and so different from Hans!
3'56 of score? I don't get it. What a colossal disappointment! Surely there is more score to release that not merely repetitive variations. Hans.....
I kinda feel that Hans' best year to date should have been closed with something better than poor 4 minutes of music. But then again, it wouldn't be agreat way to start 2014, either.
Well, it is POSSIBLE that the score is just a bunch of repetitive variations. Look at Trevor Rabin's score to The Guardian. I can't think of any noteworthy music from that film not contained in The Guardian Suite. But then, that suite has 7 minutes of score, somewhat longer than what we're getting here. And 25 seconds for track 8? Really?
0'25" or nothing is the same. So basically we get ONE score track, and we're expecting to believe the rest of the score is just a variation of that track. And yet a lot of critics speaks about this score like it's a strong contender for Best Original Score. Something weird's happening here :p
Oof, that really isn't much. Weird. I mean, a 25-second track? I at least thought the two cues would be nice and lengthy, like on an old-school Zimmer release. But this Steve McQueen guy seems to have kind of weird music preferences where he only has a couple cues in the entire movie (and they're Zimmer ripoffs more often than not). And from what I've heard from reviews and such, this is no different, except it's Zimmer providing his own ripoffs.
Either way, I kinda hope this thing doesn't get any awards consideration for its score. If it's really as sparse and derivative as they say.
At least this score is ACTUALLY a Zimmer score in the truest sense of the word, Edmund (not a Zimmer, Balfe, Zanelli, or whoever else score). :P
MoS was a True Zimmer Score!
But this is very disappointing.
Mike, you're right, but i would call it "a Zimmer track" rather than "a Zimmer score" :p
MoS still had ghostwriters though, is what Mike is saying. Then again, if Hans needed a ghostwriter to get through 3'56 of music I'd fear for him. :p
What is going on? This is just criminal :( It would have been better if they haven't released anything at all.
For MoS he didn't have a lot of help except on the two that XL did and even those as we discussed in earlier topics were 95% Zimmer.
But as I said iTunes has it for pre order and i bet the Zimmer tracks are $1.29 each and for 25 seconds that is a rip-off.
What do you know about MOS ? You think Atli, Andrew & Steve didn't work on it ? I know you like playing the blind guy but...
Mind you I didn't say he didn't have any help I said that he did have a lot.
There's a Difference.
But what I've come to figure out is that a lot of the "Ghostwriters" Just Cut and paste Zimmer's stuff. (Balfe used Zimmer's stuff in MW2 in Extraction point Guerrilla Tactics...etc) I'll Assume it's the Same with MoS.
MacArthur....First, Extraction Point was not "Balfe using Zimmer". Extraction Point was Balfe. Plain and simple. Zimmer was "Opening titles". That is pretty much all the music Zimmer wrote, however much the rest might sound like Zimmer. Secondly, didn't Atli Örvarsson do the Favela material (and thus Guerrilla Tactics)?
And how do you know that "Arcade" and "General Zod" are 95% Zimmer? I don't know about General Zod, but "Arcade" sounds more like JunkieXL than Zimmer to me.
You assume many things but you don't seem to know a lot... And using what happened on one score to describe another is a terrible mistake. Each score is unique and has its own history...
My Fault Mike I meant Code Of Conduct and Chain of Command both have Zimmer's Theme in it. (Now don't take this as I know everything...and I'm not directing this to you Mike.) I simply heard it in the cue. General Zod sounds a lot like Zimmer With a few Rhythmic Patterns That sound like XL. The Same with Arcade. This just comes from years of listening to Zimmer's music. And begin a huge fan of his stuff you can usually tell the difference.
And I Didn't say that Zimmer Didn't have Help. do you ever read?
This being said the Original Conversation was that Zimmer had "Ghostwriters" But...let's put it this way so it doesn't sound like I'm assuming anything. would you agree that MoS is 95% Zimmer.
What continues to amaze me is the inclusion of that 25 second score cue. What can you possibly do in 25 seconds that makes it worthy of a album track?
Hans said it was a transition, maybe that's why... ;)
I just hope the 0:25 second tracks is not a $1.29 on iTunes
Am I the only person whos looking for the release of Mr. Morgan's Last Love? I just found a video on youtube claimed to be the music for Mr. Morgan's Last Love, can you confirm it Hybird? www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTmqlLe5VnE
I've seen the movie, this is a part of the score. But there isn't that much of music in the movie, and there's a lot of repetition so i don't think it'll get released. It's a lovely pretty score in the mood of "Driving Miss Daisy", but nothing really new.
I saw the movie and thought the music is kind like The Holiday
Indeed :-) but if you saw the movie why do you need Hybrid's confirmation? :p
That's it? I guess something is better than nothing. Why such an abbreviated release of score :( And, it's true nothing else is in the works?!? Hybrid, what are your thoughts on this?
You have got to be Kidding Me! That's all that there is for the release. Really?
Maybe, if the score is well-received enough, it will get a larger release far from now.
La La Land? Varese?? Help!
Gosh, i really don't get it. All high-profile movies (and most of the smaller ones) get their score released, but this time it's just a Hans Zimmer score, so let's not release it. It's not like his scores weren't selling well. God, even little french movies have their full scores released on itunes. Steve McQueen's previous movie has its score released. Hans made a lot of advertising for his work on 12 Years a Slave, which was apparently one of his "greatest scoring experiences". So: WHAT THE FUCK?
And this one has no ghostwriters, it appears. Pure Hans!
Exactly...RELEASE THE SCORE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
RCP should get its own label.
RCP has its own label...
2nd, actually, the score is made of a ton of less than 1 min cues... Do you really think HZ wrote 120 min for that movie ?
Come on! Just two tracks. This is plain wrong. I am blindly hoping that they will each be at least 15 min long.
"Nicolas, Webmaster reply Replies: 10 || 2013-10-19 15:46:57 I was told, This music is a great challenger for the next oscars... Hope it will !"
if there's only 2 tracks then how on earth this score is a contender for the oscars?
No Kidding. you sure are right about that.
And Isildur I hope so too, but the problem with that is iTunes Being the "Geniuses" That they are will probably make the Zimmer Tracks Album only tracks. Am I not Right though
The alternative version of individual tracks where Hans is associated not with 2 but with 5 tracks!! (namely those associated with Nicholas Britell here) One of the tracklists is incorrect. The question is which one? blogs. indiewire.com/ theplaylist/ 12-years-a-slave-inspired-by-soundtrack-features-john-legend -cody-chestnutt-chris-cornell-more- 20131022
Sorry for some misleading news. Of course the tracklist here is the correct one as Nicholas Britell is credited with writing and arranging the onscreen violin music and they are his tracks.
Yep, because before I post anything here I do my homework, which those journalist forgot to do... ;)
Haha Hybrid good one!
@halesz: well they academy will get a promo score that contains more score than on the official album
what?!? hope those 2 Songs are longer than 5min. :)
Hans said : "I don't think we have enough to really do a normal score cd, since it's really mainly variations on one theme...But John Legend, who's a great champion of this film, has gathered some great artists around him, and yes, there will be some score on that cd."
Is the weird music from this clip composed by zimmer? www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMd75bL6mB4
I was told, This music is a great challenger for the next oscars... Hope it will !
They used to say the same for Frost/Nixon, if I recall correctly.
Some people on imdb posted comments about Hans' score, and basically it appears some of them thought he reused "Time" and "Dream Is Collapsing" with a different orchestration. If the rip-off is that blatant, i doubt Hans will get a nomination for this. Anyway I hope he'll get one for Rush.
That's ironic considering very recently Zimmer said, when asked by a fan when he'd make another cue like "Time", he said something along the lines of "I'm not interested in repeating myself". Then again, it wouldn't exactly be the first time Zimmer said something in an interview that ended up being total nonsense... :p
@ Meinerts He didn't say "I'm not interested in repeating myself", he said "I am trying very hard not do something like Time". There is a difference :)
it's obvious that McQueen is a big Zimmer fa and loves Journey to the Line(obvious temp-track in Shame).
Apparently Inception was the temp-track for this movie
@isildur, doesn't that just prove my point? :p
@ Meinerts Funnily enough it actually does :D. But it doesn't matter as long as he writes nice music.
Edmund 12 Years was scored in very early 2013, and HZ said long after that "Please don't ask me to do Time again"... Where's the contradiction ?
Ah okay. So really he should have said "Please don't ask me to do Time a third time". That's okay, Henry Jackman can do it for him. Or whoever it was that did "Safe Now"... :p
Has Hans Zimmer still voluntarily opted out of Oscar consideration, or was that just for that one year?
That was the year he did On Stranger Tides and Game of Shadows, wasn't it? I always thought that came across as a "I know my scores are crap this year so I might as well take them out of consideration myself so it doesn't count as a snub" type thing. :p
Sh2 was a great score with a crappy release...
Edmund: you forget Hans also scored Rango that year, which featured great music. Since Rango won best animated feature, it could easily have scored a nomination for best score as well...