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Do any of you think that Junkie's Justice League score will ever get released or leaked? I was really excited to hear how Junkie planned on developing the themes used in the prior DCEU movies. Especially the Batman themes from BVS. It's a damn shame how WB handled that film."Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1."<br><br>Newsflash: I avoided bringing up the TF films in this thread until AFTER you dragged them into it.  Only then did I treat them as fair game.  Considering they make up a third of his filmography, I don't see why I SHOULDN'T address them.  How convenient is it that bringing them up is only ever valid when YOU do it?<br><br>More to the point, I already said I thought his decline kicked in from Pearl Harbor onwards.  The TF films are just his rock bottom.<br><br>"So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic."<br><br>Going after every person that doesn't like Bay and trying to obsessively "debunk" them is psychotic, yes.  And constantly referring to other people's opinions and whinging about the box office doesn't make you objective, especially with how self-contradictory the latter has been.<br><br>Pain & Gain and 13 Hours, his supposedly best films, also have his lowest box office turnouts.  13 Hours was a flat-out bomb.  By your own "objective" reasoning, this would make them his worst films.  But you don't acknowledge that, because you don't actually care about objectivity.<br><br>You care about faking it when it suits you, and chucking it when it doesn't.<br><br>"Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything."<br><br>What do you mean "next time?"  Your first reply here was calling my opinion a joke.  You already have this method down.  You're just too dishonest to admit it.<br><br>Notice how I avoided accusing you of anything until AFTER you started outright lying about movies and flaunting it as objective fact.<br><br>You insulted ME first, pal.  I didn't insult you for anything other than lying to win an argument.  Not for your opinions, not for your celebrity crush, for being a disingenuous twat. <br><br>Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.<br><br>"Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality."<br><br>Then it's a good thing I never quoted a single one of those, let alone as objective proof, isn't it?<br><br>Man, appeal to authority, appeal to popularity, mistaking correlation for causation, slothful induction, strawmanning, I could make a bingo game outta this.<br><br>"So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?"<br><br>Not "according to me."  According to the studios that make the actual films.  And Forbes.  Remember Forbes?  You considered their word inarguable fact a couple posts ago.<br><br>https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/09/02/pacif ic-rim-and-more-domestic-flops-that-became-global-hits/#3f3e 914d7c18<br><br>Well whaddaya know?<br><br>Pacific Rim was a domestic bomb that turned things around with its international box office.<br><br>That thing you said TF5 was but actually wasn't.<br><br>The Last Knight lost about $100M according to Paramount themselves.  That doesn't sound like an international success to me.<br><br>Maybe it does to you, but I can't speak for that little fantasy world you seem to be living in right now.<br><br>Wow!  Just wow!ThxSeville, The Bait, Ambrose Welcomes Nyah, Chimera Myth, Beach Fight, Ambrose Dies.Can we stop? I agree with the other guy more in his points, but it's clear that this is gonna keep going nowhere if you're gonna be so overly defensive about something that you claim is merely subjective.
But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br>======================<br><br><br>Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1. <br><br>So no, "challenging the viewer" is not about Transformers. You chose to focus on these movies. Not me. I was actually reffering to Bay movies like The Island and especially Pain and Gain. <br><br>But I guess you like to talk only about Transformers.....Good for you. But that's not how a discussion works. <br><br><br>===================<br>Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.<br>===================<br><br><br>So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic? <br><br>Wow! Just wow!<br><br>Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything. For you, that is apparently the normal behavior.<br><br><br>======<br>Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.<br>=======<br><br>Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality. Also, a "bad" movie to you is the greatest movie for the guy walking next to you on the street. As Kevin Smith said: "Every movie is someone's favorite movie". <br><br>Let's try to keep that in mind.<br><br><br>============<br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br>============<br><br>Really?<br><br>Then what do you have to say about Pacific Rim 1. I present to you.......the pure numbers:<br><br>Budget: $200 million. And that doesn't include the marketing cost.<br>Worldwide gross: $411,002,906<br><br>So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?<br><br>Wow! Just.....wow!Yeah lol back then only Harold was confirmed.Can you tell me a names of cues, that was been on Klaus website?Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?
well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nope
You realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.
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Divergent
Label: Interscope Records
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  1. Tris (Feat. Ellie Goulding) (7:48)
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  2. The Test (3:17)
    Junkie XL, Christian Vorlander
  3. Choosing Dauntless (Feat. Ellie Goulding) (3:44)
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  4. Capture The Flag (Feat. Ellie Goulding) (3:06)
    Junkie XL, Christian Vorlander
  5. This Isn't Real (1:38)
    Junkie XL, Christian Vorlander
  6. Ferris Wheel (3:31)
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  7. Erudite Plan (3:20)
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  8. Fear (3:36)
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  9. I Am Divergent (1:38)
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  10. A Friend (2:47)
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  11. Conspiracy (5:26)
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  12. Watertank (1:50)
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  13. Faction Before Blood (6:48)
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  14. Human Nature (3:12)
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  15. Final Test (1:37)
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  16. The March (5:17)
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  17. Dauntless Attack (5:55)
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  18. Sacrifice (Feat. Ellie Goulding) (4:20)
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  19. You're Not Gonna Like This (14:00) (Digital Bonus Track)
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  20. Fight The Dauntless (4:13)
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  21. Everywhere And Nowhere (2:28)
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Hal reply Replies: 5 || 2015-10-10 15:36:23
Hybrid, do you think there's any chance that Tom will return to do the last 2 movies in this trilogy? The second score was horrendous and I think it would work if Tom came back and brought his old themes with him.


Hybrid Soldier2015-10-10 16:18:42
No, I don't think so. His score was terribly butchered in the first and not so much was used in the final cut. Not sure he wants to return to that.

And he has much more interesting to do.


David2015-10-10 17:24:38
True dat. Like Deadpool!!


Hal2015-10-10 18:16:18
Yea but Diverent was such a damn good score. Would be great to see development of themes and of course new ones!


Ds2015-10-10 21:28:07
That butchering was really a shame. I remember watching the movie after having listened to the score a few times, I could not believe my ears. Fortunately Tom released a nice album with many great cues, so that we can forget the film and keep only tj music :-p


...2015-10-12 18:36:59
Yes it was a shame, but the album was awesome and considering the fact that Tom is a big guy now (not literally) they probably wouldn't butcher the sequel score if he were to do it.


... reply Replies: 3 || 2015-09-23 06:57:31
Hybrid, do you know the chronological order of this? and maybe how it can be mixed with the expanded score that surfaced some time ago.

A lot of cues were replaced I think...


Hybrid Soldier2015-09-23 09:37:57
I need to make a proper thing for this one...


...2015-09-23 09:55:21
That's be great! I think it's Tom's best score to date!


Hal2015-09-23 22:22:57
This was one of the best scores of last year.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 4 || 2015-03-18 16:29:21
Wow. Listening to Joseph Trapanese's score for Insurgent and talk about dropping the ball. None of Junkie's themes are used and most of the music is just atmospheric crap.
The new theme is halfway decent though, but kind of generic.


...2015-03-21 23:13:41
I totally agree! Listened to the OST and was like, where's the music? It's such a dull score and it lacks emotions, good action material and a good theme, such as Tom created for the first movie.

I wonder if it was due to scheduling issues that Tom didn't end up doing it or if it was the new director. Anyway I hope he will score the last 2 movies because anyone must have noticed that Joseph's work didn't work at all.


Hybrid Soldier2015-03-21 23:33:18
The first film was a "difficult" experience apparently for everyone, I never expected Junkie to come back...

And... Yeah, that second opus lacked pretty much everything while the first score had like 3 or 4 main themes...


RebelRising2015-03-22 02:18:59
Which is especially a shame because out of all the scores Tom has composed, this is the only one that I really like as a whole.

300 had, like, 3 tracks I would listen to more than once, whereas Divergent's soundtrack is a legitimately fun piece of work.

Hopefully Mad Max knocks it out of the park.


mpolonest123 2015-03-22 04:07:01
Considering how badly Tom's score was butchered in the first film, I really am not all that surprised he didn't want to return.

And as far as his scores go, Run All Night isn't half bad actually. The thematic part at least. ;)

XL JUNKIE FAN reply Replies: 3 || 2015-03-01 00:23:00
01 - 1M1 Opening (04:02)
02 - 1M3 Lining Up for the Test (01:43)
03 - 1M4 Simulation (08:03)
04 - 2M8A Jumping From The Train (02:14)
05 - 2M8B Jumping Into Net (03:35)
06 - 3M16 Training Begins (04:09)
07 - 3M17 Tris Sees Tori (01:48)
08 - 3M24 Grab The Rail (02:27)
09 - 3M25A The Wall (01:15)
10 - 3M26 Knife Throwing (02:33)
11 - 3M27 Jeanine at Dauntless (02:42)
12 - 4M28 - Tris vs Peter (01:39)
13 - 4M29 Runs for Train (01:49)
14 - 4M30 Weapon of Choice (01:59)
15 - 4M31 Climbing The Ferris Wheel (02:40)
16 - 4M32 Capture The Flag (02:46)
17 - 4M37 Mom Visits Tris (03:27)
18 - 4M38 Simulation/Crow Attack (01:49)
19 - 4M39 After Dreamscape (01:35)
20 - 5M42 Simulation/Trapped Water (02:10)
21 - 5M44 Faction Before Blood (02:54)
22 - 5M49 Tris Attacked/Four Saves Tris (01:28)
23 - 5M50 Kicking It At Four's Pad (01:25)
24 - 5M53 Erudite Overthrow Abnegation? (03:38)
25 - 5M56A Simulation of Four's Fears Pt.1 (02:48)
26 - 5M56B Simulation of Four's Fears Pt.2 (02:02)
27 - 6M63 Zombies (10:06)
28 - 6M64A Mom Saves Tris (03:31)
29 - 7M65A Breaking Into Dauntless/Final Battle (14:20)

Duration: 01:36:51


Russel2015-03-01 00:46:26
It is from a licensing site. I don't know if it would be a good idea to leak it, would it?


...2015-03-01 12:46:49
This version is missing tracks that can be found on the OST.


mpolonest1232015-03-01 15:11:56
I think this is technically the "film version" which butchered a lot of the OST material. I wonder if it is complete though?

... reply Replies: 1 || 2014-08-28 20:07:11
Apparently a different composer with score the sequel...I hoped he'd return and get his own trilogy


Felix 2014-09-06 20:32:28
Yes! I hope so he got this trilogy, it's would be very cool

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 2 || 2014-06-08 16:30:09
Little "who did what" here... :)


Edmund Meinerts2014-06-08 16:33:09
Thanks! But where's Dave Fleming?


Hybrid Soldier2014-06-08 18:50:41
Who knows... In what's not on the OST probably... lol

... reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-08 20:17:31
Hybrid, I have a question.
What did Hans do on this score?
What does the exclusive music producer do?

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2014-04-02 08:00:16
This is beautiful music...

Ds reply Replies: 2 || 2014-03-29 01:06:26
I just saw the movie and have one word: HORRIBLE. The great music composed by Junkie XL has been completely butchered, the best tracks aren't featured at all, or have been replaced by songs or bland alternate versions. For example, the cool vocal parts of "Choosing Dauntless" or "Capture the Flag" are not even in the movie, and the great "Fight the Dauntless" plays only for 20 seconds.

Worst of all, the score plays extremely low and far in the background, which makes it inaudible from start to finish, even when there's no dialogue or action. The sense of rythm and excitement present in the album release is totally absent from the movie.

It is incredible how music with such a great potential and so much intensity, can be toned down and become next-to-nothing in a movie. I wonder who was in charge of cutting Junkie XL's tracks to picture. If he did it himself then I really don't understand.


Rcp2014-03-29 05:34:32
I think perhaps whoever was in charge of the music decided to replace some scenes with whatever pop music that ended up replacing it. Cause there are cues on the album not in the film, so it may have been a later thing after it was scored to change things up a bit - but hey, at least we got all the music unlike some other releases *cough*man of steel*cough*


RealFfingMusic2014-03-29 11:33:13
In that case, not gonna see the movie.

BTW, I still don't have a film version for MOS Flight. :(

Ds reply Replies: 0 || 2014-03-23 19:47:13
Some tracks are awesomely awesome. I love them so much that I'm going to see the movie when it opens!

Drunkenmunkey reply Replies: 1 || 2014-03-22 05:39:02
I like this score better than CAP 2. There I said it!


Edmund Meinerts2014-03-22 10:44:45
Is that such a surprise? I think most people do. Me too, by a long shot.

Micah reply Replies: 0 || 2014-03-18 17:44:18
After listening to the score over and over this weekend, I've come to the conclusion that Fighting Dauntless is one of my favorite musical pieces from the last few years. The mixture of the epic and personal is great.

Micah reply Replies: 1 || 2014-03-17 19:46:45
This is a pretty good score. Tris, Final Test and You're Not Gonna Like This are by far the best.

Tris' theme is beautiful. I hope XL Junkie returns to score the next movie. I hear a lot of potential building blocks for future scores.


Macejko2014-03-17 20:02:29
The second installment will by directed by Robert Schwentke who usually works with Christophe Beck, so Junkie's return is IMHO unlikely. Which is a damn shame, because the score is indeed very good.

Anonymous reply Replies: 3 || 2014-03-17 02:49:12
Ok, first, great score.

Has threads of other stuff all over the place.....Girl Rising, MOS, some stuff by HGW, the piano in Tris reminds me of JNH's The Happening.

OMG. Has anyone noticed the stark similarities of Track #16 The March to the Opening Cue from Vangelis' score to The Bounty? Wow.

Really enjoying it, nonetheless!


ei182014-03-17 03:52:47
Where did you hear the full score? Thanks!


Edmund Meinerts2014-03-17 10:03:07
Yeah, "The March" really took me by surprise. Wasn't expecting to hear something so retro-sounding and, as you say, Vangelis-like.


Héctor2014-03-17 18:22:51
Better performance than the others. Similar to the structure of Bleeding Fingers....And survivor. But is better than the other stuff. More Whisky for Junkie.

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 1 || 2014-03-15 01:18:57
I'll just echo what others are saying and say that this score is really not bad at all. Much better than I expected after the terrible 300 score.

It's the softer thematic parts that really shine, like the opening cue. The action music still relies too heavily on uninventive hammering MoS percussion for my taste, though (the 14-minute track just goes on and on and on and on and on...). But...okay. I'm gonna have to give Junkie XL the benefit of the doubt from now on.


Mortifer V.2014-03-17 03:56:30
well, the title of the 14min track warned you man ;P

ei18 reply Replies: 5 || 2014-03-14 22:39:27
Tris sounds super similar to another song and I can't figure it out for the life of me. Anyone feel the same way and wanna help me out?


MacArthur2014-03-14 23:17:19
Yeah...Lone Survivor.


Hybrid Soldier2014-03-14 23:37:53
And was written a long time before Lone Survivor... lol


Edmund Meinerts2014-03-15 00:15:29
It's the four chords of pop...there are literally a zillion songs and cues that use them. Most recent famous example is (Oscar winning?!) Let it Go from Frozen... :p


MacArthur2014-03-15 00:30:47
Really it was written before. cause Lone survivor Came out in some countries early last year.


ei182014-03-15 16:05:57
yea Lone Survivor is similar but its not what i was thinking of. It Elie Goulding's singing that sounds really similar to something else.

rob reply Replies: 0 || 2014-03-14 01:56:08
Where are you guys listening to the full score if it is not released yet? I've been wanted to listen to this one

Leo reply Replies: 8 || 2014-03-13 03:58:58
I can't stop listening to those cues Hybrid mentioned earlier, I even get the chills, dammit! :D


Leo2014-03-13 08:19:32
Especially "Capturing the Flag", holy shit.


0-cool2014-03-13 11:49:54
T thought it comes out the 18th


Bioscope2014-03-13 16:04:11
One word. Awesome....


MacArthur2014-03-13 16:52:15
It may help to have Hans as score producer.

And what's with Lone Survivor. in Tris.


RealFfingMusic2014-03-13 23:31:32
This might be Junkie's best till date. And I haven't even listened to the full score yet. :D


Edmund Meinerts2014-03-13 23:50:05
The best out of what, three scores? That's not such a super superlative... :p


Ds2014-03-13 23:54:04
I think it's a good score. The main theme is very catchy and it blends nicely different genres together, i love it very much. But for the moment I didn't notice anything particularly outstanding, apart from this main theme.

But i guess it'll grow on me in the next few days!

Tracks 1, 3, 4 are (for now) my favorites.


Hybrid Soldier2014-03-14 00:02:44
The Main Theme, let's talk about that : Listen to Balfe's Girl Rising track I put on the player... lol


There's some weird, I don't know, similarity... haha

Z1 reply Replies: 0 || 2014-03-13 21:35:24
Junkie Xl's Score every awesome, but this is the best from him, i love it!

Macejko reply Replies: 0 || 2014-03-13 07:30:18
Very, very good score and the cues Hybrid mentioned are truly the best (especially "Choosing Dauntless", I simply love that one). It's really imaginative in its use of percs and Goulding's vocals, and although the MoS influence is still felt here and there, the score certainly shows that Junkie is more than able to bring his own musical identity to the game.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2014-03-13 04:22:53
Excellent job!

Drunkenmunkey reply Replies: 0 || 2014-03-12 18:50:02
Listened to it twice. Loved it. Now I really don't know wtf went wrong with 300. It's probs because Zimmer (I think)didn't help much with it. The MOS percussion, Lone Survivor acoustics, and with Ellie Goulding's voice and Junkie XL's electronica blend surprisingly well. I can't wait to see the movie and I am sure it will fit great (guy's it is a perfect date movie!). Here's to hoping it fairs well critically! 3.5/5 for me. Screw 300 lol.

thejok3rrules reply Replies: 0 || 2014-03-12 05:25:56
It's already better than 300, but it's nothing great either... It's basic... It fits the film, perhaps.

Ds reply Replies: 0 || 2014-03-10 21:15:45
Still no samples? It's weird.

Btw, i had just zero expectations for that movie and score, but what Hybrid wrote two days ago made me completely impatient!!

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 11 || 2014-03-09 00:33:43
89 minutes?? I'm assuming this is a digital only release then, or how the heck do they plan on putting that on a CD?

Interesting that this already has a "HZimmer.com rating". Who exactly decides those? :p


theeaglesfan0052014-03-09 02:27:20
It does say "Label: Lionsgate Records (Digital Download Only)"


Aytekin2014-03-09 02:59:46
Cannot wait for this.. :)


Ds2014-03-09 03:08:13
Agree with Edmund, very interesting release!


Hybrid Soldier2014-03-09 08:21:38
Because I've already listened to it...

It's not exactly like 300... Yeah it has some "usual" Junkie MOS percs, but it's more like a mix between the lighter action parts of MOS with Craig Armstrong's In Time...

I have 5/6 tracks on constant repeat (Tris, Choosing Dauntless, Capture The Flag, Conspiracy, Final Test (it's gonna remind people of some MOS unreleased track... lol) & Fight The Dauntlesss).

Can't put anything on the player just yet though...


Ds2014-03-09 09:21:23
Okay, now i'm excited. I loved every bit of MoS. I loved 300 by Junkie XL. I loved In Time by Craig Armstrong. This seems like a perfect deal for me :-)


Hybrid Soldier2014-03-09 10:25:05
I love them too Ds it'll be right up your alley ! :)


MacArthur2014-03-09 17:15:07
Why, Does every one want Junkie XL. He is not that good.

I mean he's ok but why not The Maestro himself. or Jablonsky or....Or even...Balfe. :)


0-cool2014-03-09 18:49:42
he is better than most Zimmer collaborators.
Check out Darkspore, which is one of the best electronic/ambient score I've heard.
Then his symphony for an event in Utrecht. Can't imagine Jablonsky,Balfe,Djawadi etc pull that off


Edmund Meinerts2014-03-09 22:06:25
Yeah, why more people aren't hiring The Maestro is beyond me...I mean, we all know John Williams is probably the greatest film composer of all time.


trent easton navarro2014-03-09 22:17:21
I don't think that's The Maestro MacArthur meant. Would be impossible to hire him though, Jerry Goldsmith passed away almost ten years ago


MacArthur2014-03-10 05:57:46
O-cool had it correct.

Joshua reply Replies: 0 || 2014-03-09 23:26:13
Oh come on now, we clearly all know MacArthur was talking about Ennio Morricone ;)

Drunkenmunkey reply Replies: 0 || 2014-03-09 19:40:08
What day does this release? and is it going on iTunes?

Thanks Hybrid :D

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 0 || 2014-03-08 23:12:12
Holy sh*t!, a 14 minutes track!! in a Junkie XL score?, that problaby is gonna to be awesome

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