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As always with unused pieces of music. There are always be more interesting. Like with Dark Phoenix.I think what Lorne wrote for the last 30 min of the movie is way better than what ended in the movie... Lorne tried to elevate what was going on on screen, but it was probably too "bold" for the taste of production... They wanted to keep as "kow key" as possible but to me it made the ending of the film fall super flat...
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<br>In the end there isn't that much Lorne in the film (most of the "Moon" reel is Lorne though, that big 4 notes motif appearing during the moon landing and then takeoff). Ironically most of the droning you're all complaining about is not that much Lorne... lol
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<br>I really hope Lorne will put out as much music as possible, even all the unused parts, which are the more interesting ones !Taking in the movie now after having seen it. The cinematography is brilliant, and there are some interesting concepts that really will have you thinking long after walking out of the theater. Still, I couldn’t help but feel like the film dragged throughout. Coupled with the voiceover the movie has a very ‘Terence Malick-y’, “Thin Red Line” feel throughout.<br><br>I’m definitely not familiar with Max Richter so I can’t comment on what he might have written, but Balfe’s broad-chord style is pretty recognizable throughout. There are also some interesting electronic pieces used throughout, possibly might be Balfe but hard to say as of now. The rest of the music is pretty contemplative, ranging from slow/emotional string pieces to more ambient droning.Well, I heard only Balfe's "Prayer" and Richter's "To the stars"... All I can say is we need to wait for the full release, hear both composers and only then talk about who better coped with this. (and watch the movie of course)<br>I don't think Balfe is a bad composer. He does pretty good as an additional composer but not as a leading (mostly). The only soundtrack that I consider the best to date in his solo career is "M:I-Fallout" and "Assassin's Creed III". (imo)<br>Who knows what will be this time. But for now I like Richter's track more.I'm just waiting for Gemini Man, that (i hope) would be fun
I love that cue.So I created a page for it, move away from Ghost In The Shell !! :PI wonder if this track is the one causing consternation: Nils Frahm: 'Says' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIwwjy4slI8<br><br>It sounds a bit like what Richter and Balfe could produce, but it is much more artistic than Balfe and much more synth-based than Richter. Frahm is credited for additional music.Not writing negative comments about Balfe for the purpose of writing negative comments - ie. trolling - but for the fact that Balfe does not seem to take film composition seriously. Goldsmith had a similar pace in the 1990s that equates to contemporary Balfe, but he managed to produce fantastic scores like Air Force One in a few weeks (yes, with some help from McNeeely). Balfe simply does not seem to have those skills so he resorts to cliches and drony nonsense. I await to be proven wrong. That Balfe track is not half-bad so I do maintain a general sense of expectation for this.Not any more lame than the Balfe cue
Lorne says it will be released and insists it’s not a GITS situation.That's been standard in certain cases, though considerably less nowadays with how complicated these situations have become.<br><br>Having heard both tracks posted, both give me little on their own. I'm sure they work better in the context of the film, and we might see better tracks unveiled eventually.He deserve better.Hans and Lorne like twins. Lorne has a very good personality. I still don't understand why some people are still writing bad comments to Lorne?Probably... lolSo is this how it’s gonna be? Official release for Richter and leaks by Balfe :(
Lorne posted a track from Ad Astra on his YouTube channelThank you. And i suppose "Need You Busting My Balls - End Credits" title would correspond to ASCAP "Need You Busting My Balls" + "RUSH END CREDITS", while "Just Married" to "RUSH MAIN ON END"?That’s literally the best part of the score though. But it’s typical Richter (Miss Sloane, Black Mirror: Nosedive).Hunt Drunken Weirdness is barely a cue actually, it's just a patch up of sound designs by Mel...<br><br>Italian Party is a name I made up for a cue that's not used in the movie ! :)In ASCAP there is a cue "HUNT DRUNKEN WEIRDNESS" - is this by a chance an alias to "Italian Party", which is absent in ASCAP. Though there are different credits Zimmer/Wesson vs Zimmer/Klebe.
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The Amazing Spider-Man 2
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CD1
  1. I'm Electro (0:46)
    Hans Zimmer, Johnny Marr, Andrew Kawczynski, Junkie XL, Dave Stewart
  2. There He Is (2:54)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson, Andy Page
  3. I'm Spider-Man (1:04)
    Hans Zimmer
  4. My Enemy (8:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Steve Mazzaro, Andrew Kawczynski, Junkie XL, Johnny Marr
  5. Ground Rules (1:11)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  6. Look At Me (3:10)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Steve Mazzaro, Andrew Kawczynski, Junkie XL, Johnny Marr, Andy Page
  7. Special Project (3:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson, Andy Page
  8. You Need Me (3:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Johnny Marr, Adam Peters
  9. So Much Anger (2:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Steve Mazzaro, Johnny Marr
  10. I'm Moving To England (1:03)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Steve Mazzaro, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger
  11. I'm Goblin (3:42)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  12. Let Her Go (0:33)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Steve Mazzaro, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger
  13. You're My Boy (2:57)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson
  14. I Need To Know (5:00)
    Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski, Johnny Marr, Dave Stewart
  15. Sum Total (2:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  16. I Chose You (1:34)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Steve Mazzaro, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger
  17. We're Best Friends (2:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Steve Mazzaro, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger
  18. Still Crazy (2:42)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Steve Mazzaro, Andrew Kawczynski, Junkie XL, Johnny Marr
  19. The Rest Of My Life (2:28)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Andrew Kawczynski, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger
  20. You're That Spider Guy (5:29)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
CD2
  1. The Electro Suite (12:36)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Steve Mazzaro, Andrew Kawczynski, Junkie XL, Johnny Marr
  2. Harry's Suite (10:07)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  3. Cold War (3:28)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Steve Mazzaro, Johnny Marr, Czarina Russell
  4. No Place Like Home (1:53)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  5. It's On Again - Alicia Keys feat. Kendrick Lamar (3:50)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Alicia Keys, Kendrick Lamar
  6. Song For Zula - Phosphorescent (6:09)
  7. That's My Man - Liz (3:47)
  8. Here - Pharrell Williams (4:38)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Steve Mazzaro, Stephen Lipson
  9. Honest - The Neighbourhood (3:57)
  10. Within The Web (First Day Jam) - Czarina Russell (4:30)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Czarina Russell, Johnny Marr, Junkie XL, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson
  11. Electro Remix - Alvin Risk & Hans Zimmer (3:27)
    Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Junkie XL, Alvin Risk
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Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 18 || 2014-12-02 13:27:46
Ready for the full cue sheet ? (not in chrono order)

SPIDEY LOGO / FLYING
Hans Zimmer

GRADUATION
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro

ELECTRO SHOWDOWN PT 1 INTRO
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski

ELECTRO SHOWDOWN PT 1
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski, Steve Mazzaro

ELECTRO SHOWDOWN PT 2 / ELECTRO'S DEATH
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski

PETER DISTRACTS OSCORP SECURITY
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro

PETER'S ROOM
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro

ELECTRO RELEASED
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski, Steve Mazzaro

PETER VISITS HARRY
Hans Zimmer, Johnny Marr, Adam Peters

I CAN'T LOSE YOU TOO
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger, Steve Mazzaro

I LOVE YOU
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger, Steve Mazzaro

GWEN
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger, Steve Mazzaro

I CAN'T GIVE YOU MY BLOOD
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro

GOBLIN SHOWDOWN
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro

HARRY TRANSFORMATION
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro

LOBBY INSERT
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro

OXFORD
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger, Steve Mazzaro

HARRY WANTS SPIDEY'S BLOOD
Hans Zimmer, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson, Steve Mazzaro

PETER FINDS CLUE
Hans Zimmer, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson, Steve Mazzaro

PLANES / POWER GRID RESTORED
Hans Zimmer, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson, Steve Mazzaro

SPIDEY SENSE
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski

MAX ELECTROCUTED
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski, Andy Page

ROOSEVELT STATION
Hans Zimmer, Johnny Marr, Dave Stewart, Andrew Kawczynski

PETER REMEMBERS
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski

TRUCK CHASE
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Czarina Russell, Steve Mazzaro

PETER HALLUCINATES PT 1
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro

PETER HALLUCINATES PT 2
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger, Steve Mazzaro

EXTERIOR OSBORN
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, Andy Page

POWER STATION
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Steve Mazzaro

PARENTS ON PLANE
Hans Zimmer, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson, Steve Mazzaro

HARRY MEETS GWEN
Hans Zimmer, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson, Steve Mazzaro

FLYING MONTAGE
Hans Zimmer, Johnny Marr

HARRY FINDS SECRET FILES
Hans Zimmer, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson, Steve Mazzaro, Andy Page

SPECIAL PROJECTS
Hans Zimmer, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson, Steve Mazzaro, Andy Page

ELECTROCUTING SPIDEY PT 1
Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski

ELECTROCUTING SPIDEY PT 2
Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski

OSCORP SURVEILLANCE / CONSPIRACY
Hans Zimmer, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson, Steve Mazzaro

FAREWELL
Hans Zimmer, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson, Steve Mazzaro

RHINO RETURNS
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro

HARRY COMES HOME
Hans Zimmer, Ann Marie Simpson, Steve Mazzaro

GWEN'S VOICEMAIL
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger, Steve Mazzaro

THE END CREDIT SUITE
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Junkie XL, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson, Steve Mazzaro

THE LOGOS
Hans Zimmer, Johnny Marr, Steve Mazzaro, Andy Page

THE OPENING
Hans Zimmer, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson, Steve Mazzaro, Andy Page

DR KAFKA EXPERIMENTS
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski, Steve Mazzaro

ELECTRO IS BORN
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski

ELECTRO WANDERS
Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski

FUNERAL
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Mike Einziger, Andrew Kawczynski

HARRY & ELECTRO RETURN TO OSCORP
Hans Zimmer, Johnny Marr, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski, Steve Mazzaro

ITSY BITSY SPIDER THEME (ARRANGEMENT)
Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski

MAX
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Ann Marie Simpson, Andrew Kawczynski

MAX GOES TO WORK
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Mike Einziger, Ann Marie Simpson, Andrew Kawczynski, Steve Mazzaro, Andy Page

TIMES SQUARE PT 1
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski, Steve Mazzaro

TIMES SQUARE PT 2
Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr, Junkie XL, Steve Mazzaro


Mike2014-12-02 15:44:59
Not in order, I see....is this the order they were written in, maybe?


Hybrid Soldier2014-12-02 16:14:50
No it's random, don't search logic where there's not... lol


T-Mann0362014-12-02 17:24:05
Not here to ask for a simple request, but from the look at the random list... I'm deeply impressed.


Lambegue2014-12-02 20:20:39
Thanks Hybrid.
(How long does it take you to make such a precise list ?)


Hybrid Soldier2014-12-02 20:33:59
Not so long, patience & curiosity... :)

But I master ASCAP & BMI digging for what... 6/7 years ? I'm pretty fast at finding what I want ! :D

Gonna try to put that cue sheet in correct order with the film... :)


ggctuk2014-12-03 22:02:12
Does anybody have a definitive list of what each piece on the OST should be titled, from this list?


Parker2014-12-04 14:16:01
Wow! This is impressive. Did these titles not come with slates?
Presumably the first cue is "The Logos" and then "The Opening" followed by "Parents On Plane" and then "Spidey Logo/Flying". But in the film there is only one cue for the logos and the opening... not two separate cues. Thanks for posting, anyway! Great to have for reference!


Mike2014-12-04 17:22:49
It's not really possible to say whether the opening is one or two cues in the film because they're probably able to layer them over each other so they sound like one cue (see "Rise" from TDKR being three cues, "Sacrifice", "He Was the Batman", "Fernet Branca"—three cues, but judging from the album and film, they sound like one). ;)


Hybrid Soldier2014-12-04 19:20:02
Actually I did put the thing in correct order... Though I'm not sure for certain cues, like Gwen / Oxford / Farewell...


Hybrid Soldier2014-12-04 19:35:23
THE LOGOS HZ JM SM APAGE
THE OPENING HZ AMS ME SM APAGE
PARENTS ON PLANE HZ JM ME AMS SM
SPIDEY LOGO / FLYING HZ
TRUCK CHASE HZ PW JM CR SM
PETER HALLUCINATES PT 1 HZ SM
GRADUATION HZ SM
PETER HALLUCINATES PT 2 HZ PW JM ME SM
I CAN’T LOSE YOU TOO HZ PW JM ME SM
FLYING MONTAGE HZ JM
PETER’S ROOM HZ SM
PETER REMEMBERS HZ AK
MAX HZ PW AMS AK
MAX GOES TO WORK HZ PW ME AMS SM AK APAGE
HARRY COMES HOME HZ AMS SM
MAX ELECTROCUTED HZ PW JM JXL AK APAGE
PETER VISITS HARRY HZ JM APETERS
OSCORP SURVEILLANCE/CONSPIRACY HZ ME AMS SM
ELECTRO IS BORN HZ PW JXL AK
ELECTRO WANDERS HZ JXL AK
OXFORD HZ PW JM ME SM
SPIDEY SENSE HZ PW JXL AK
TIMES SQUARE PT 1 HZ PW JM JXL SM AK
TIMES SQUARE PT 2 HZ PW JM JXL SM
GWEN HZ PW JM ME SM
HARRY FINDS SECRET FILES HZ JM ME AMS SM APAGE
HARRY WANTS SPIDEY’S BLOOD HZ ME AMS SM
PETER DISTRACT OSCORP SECURITY HZ SM
HARRY MEETS GWEN HZ ME AMS SM
DR KAFKA EXPERIMENTS HZ PW JXL SM AK
YOU’RE MY BOY HZ SM ME AMS
I CAN’T GIVE YOU MY BLOOD HZ SM
LOBBY INSERT HZ SM
FAREWELL HZ ME AMS SM
PETER FINDS CLUE HZ ME AMS SM
SPECIAL PROJECTS HZ JM ME AMS SM APAGE
ROOSEVELT STATION HZ JM DS AK
ELECTRO RELEASED HZ PW JM JXL AK SM
GWEN’S VOICEMAIL HZ PW JM ME SM
HARRY & ELEC RETURN TO OSCORP HZ JM JXL SM AK
HARRY TRANSFORMATION HZ SM
I LOVE YOU HZ PW JM ME SM
POWER STATION HZ PW JM SM
ELECTRO SHOWDOWN PT 1 INTRO HZ PW JXL AK
ELECTRO SHOWDOWN PT 1 HZ PW JM JXL AK SM
ELECTROCUTING SPIDEY PT 1 HZ JXL AK
ELECTROCUTING SPIDEY PT 2 HZ JXL AK
ITSY BITSY SPIDER THEME HZ JXL AK
ELEC SHOWDOWN PT2/ELEC DEATH HZ PW JM JXL AK
PLANES / POWER GRID RESTORED HZ JM ME AMS SM
GOBLIN SHOWDOWN HZ SM
FUNERAL HZ PW JM ME AK
EXTERIOR OSBORN HZ SM APAGE
RHINO RETURNS HZ SM
THE END CREDIT SUITE HZ PW JXL ME AMS SM

If anyone has any suggestion, I'm all ears ! lol


Anonymous2014-12-04 22:07:43
Do we have cue lengths?


Mike2014-12-04 22:12:31
I wish all the final Electro confrontation stuff was on OST. It had several full statements of the Spidey theme and was just really good.

As for cue times, not by the looks of it.


Anonymous2014-12-04 22:30:43
For as brief as it was, "PETER DISTRACTS OSCORP SECURITY" was a really nice cue also.


T-Mann0362014-12-05 08:04:10
I have one suggestion, Hybrid Soldier... can I salute you?


Dudu2014-12-06 14:38:52
Actually, I have a question:there is a video where we can see the electro theme being written and composed, and it's credited to Hans Zimmer, Pharrell Williams, Johnny Marr and Mike Einzinger. But the cue sheet says something different, why is that??
And I thought "You're that spider-guy" would be credited to more guys lol (johnny marr and mike einzinger for the guitars, junkie xl for the percs...anyway)


Mike2014-12-06 15:18:05
Actually, come to think of it, I was wondering the same thing: can the Electro Suite not be credited to those guys, as the video with Marc Webb says?


Anonymous2014-12-07 19:04:32
What's the cue when the news is going and people are commending/complaining about spider-man? Really upbeat with lots of guitar, really catchy (not on OST). It ends with Peter looking at Gwen from the roof of a building.


Hybrid Soldier2014-12-07 19:07:58
It's Flying Montage... :)

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2014-11-11 01:21:10
What exactly is the deal with "There He Is"? I don't seem to recall it playing anywhere in full in the movie. The closest thing to it was the opening scene, but even that was notably different from it.


Parker2014-12-04 14:19:06
I agree, it's rather strange. I wish the film version of the opening was on the OST. I absolutely love it.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 13 || 2014-10-27 20:06:12
Little who did what... Except for the suites...


Lambegue2014-10-27 20:42:53
Thanks a lot Hybrid !


Adam2014-10-27 22:06:03
Woo hoo!! Thanks a lot, Hybrid!! :D


Mike2014-10-27 22:09:24
Cool stuff! Wasn't expecting this! So it looks like Zimmer wrote all the basic themes (Spider-Man, Electro, Harry, romance theme).


Adam2014-10-27 22:21:39
I gotta say, I'm kind of disappointed and surprised to see that short cues like "I'm Moving to England", "I Chose You" and "Let Her Go" are credited to basically The Magnificent Six. Zimmer couldn't handle them on his own? Or were they part of something bigger, like suites?


Anonymous2014-10-27 22:33:50
also looks like Steve Mazzaro had a big-ish role here.


Mike2014-10-27 22:36:18
Adam, it looks like Pharrell, Steve Mazzaro, and Johnny Marr all had a hand in the love theme, since their names are on all the cues containing it. So that accounts for four names already.


Hybrid Soldier2014-10-27 22:39:04
Yeah you'd wonder why 15 guys are credited on 15 sec cues, right ??? lol

Well yeah the theme & stuff are done together so... It gets tricky...


Adam2014-10-28 01:31:01
I mean "Let Her Go" is 33 seconds and is credited to 5 guys, geez....


Mike2014-10-28 03:27:47
Does anyone have lyrics for the "Within the Web" track?


Zimson 2014-11-04 09:54:38
@Adam It's not that he "couldn't handle it alone", it's that he wanted to write stuff like a band. Just as he did in Black Hawk Down. I'm hoping to hear future projects like this. :)


Hybrid Soldier2014-11-17 16:19:38
Mike you requested the lyrics for Within the Web... Here they are :

WITHIN THE WEB

VERSE 1:

Skies inside of me
Lie outside of you
Time I’ll never see
Make me part of you
Worlds bridges apart
Calm evading me
Truths we’ll never say
Harm may set me free

PRE-CHORUS 1:

A revelation and again I can see
A gravitation to my one true duty
Appreciation for this world around me
A pure vocation that is my destiny

CHORUS:

Oh you should
Raise your eyes
How real it seems
Within this web
Of time and dreams
We’ll be wise
To what it means
Within this web
Of time and dreams

VERSE 2:

Died inside of me
Rise outside of you
Wants I’ll never see
I am part of you
Bridge the worlds apart
Calm invading me
Truths were never said
Storm to set me free

PRE-CHORUS 2:

A little revelation and again I can see
A little gravitation to my one true duty
An appreciation for this world around me
A beautiful vocation that is my destiny

CHORUS:

Oh you should
Raise your eyes
How real it seems
Within this web
Of time and dreams
We’ll be wise
To what it means
Within this web
Of time and dreams

VERSE 3:

So, What do you say?
Now, What can you be?
Life it’s up to you
How? You set it free
So, What do you say?
Now, What can you be?
Life, it’s up to you
How? Go set it free

PRE-CHORUS 3:

A little revelation and again I can see
A little gravitation to my one true duty
An appreciation for this world around me
A beautiful vocation that is my destiny

CHORUS 3 (Twice):

Oh you should
Raise your eyes
How real it seems
Within this web
Of time and dreams
We’ll be wise
To what it means
Within this web
Of time and dreams


Mike2014-11-17 20:11:36
Thanks, I appreciate it


Parker2014-12-04 14:17:51
Thanks for the Within The Web lyrics!

ggctuk reply Replies: 8 || 2014-11-25 10:26:14
It's FYC season again and a few have already come out (including the new Transformers). You guys reckon we'll get an FYC of this too?


Hybrid Soldier2014-11-25 10:31:21
Err... I don't think anyone will bother to try to catch any award for that film... lol


badbu2014-11-25 10:38:18
haha :D *lol*


Mike2014-11-25 15:39:45
I'm inclined to agree with Hybrid here...lol


theeaglesfan005 2014-11-25 17:44:03
As much as I would love the FYC/Expanded/Complete/Sessions/Whatever you want to call it of this I think Zimmer's Interstellar score should get the Oscar and he or whoever will probably push for that one


thejok3rrules2014-11-25 18:02:43
Yet I am one of those who believe TASM2 is a lot better than Interstellar...


badbu2014-11-25 18:10:39
whaaaaaaat? :D


thejok3rrules2014-11-25 18:28:37
As a soundtrack, indeed. I admit there was a place for misunderstanding...


thejok3rrules2014-11-25 18:28:37
As a soundtrack, indeed. I admit there was a place for misunderstanding...

Anonymous reply Replies: 2 || 2014-11-08 20:09:56
out of curiosity was horner ever supposed to return or was he happy to be out as soon as the first film was done?


Hybrid Soldier2014-11-08 20:20:08
HZ was first considered on TASM 1 but refused because of TDKR...


Horner only did it cause he was begged by Webb... He didn't like it at all and was indeed happy to never return... lol


Mike2014-11-08 20:27:24
The thing I find interesting is that even though Webb wanted Zimmer from the beginning and said, for the second movie, that he wanted a "contemporary" score, he still said he enjoyed hearing a "traditional" score from James Horner.

Also, I bet we have Webb to thank for the themes from both movIes, because he said he specifically wanted the trumpet fanfare from TASM1, and then we got a similar theme for #2...

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2014-11-07 01:01:14
There are about 50 seconds of good unreleased material from My Enemy: a full statement of the Spidey theme (which might be a tracked in cue) and then an interesting mix of Spidey and Electro music, before cutting back to the stuff as we know it.


Anonymous2014-11-07 01:07:57
i liked the version of the main theme after the (possible spoiler?) defeat of electro. it was a full statement of it, on strings. and the full final fight cue with electro was great too. i hope HZ and his team put out downloadable extra tracks to further flesh this OST out. it's pretty nice but it's missing some good stuff. :)

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2014-11-01 22:37:05
Hybrid, do you know whether or not this score has any other theme suites written for it?


Hybrid Soldier2014-11-01 22:41:27
No idea... Technically, "I'm Spider-Man" is a theme suite... Very short one... lol

John reply Replies: 2 || 2014-10-16 04:49:35
I really hope the complete score or Recording Sessions for TASM2 leaks sometime !! I really would LOVE to have it !! There's a lot of great stuff heard in the movie that wasn't in the OST.


Mike2014-10-16 15:42:58
It's interesting, because for all the people talking about the great unreleased stuff, I personally didn't notice anything when I saw the movie....the film version of "The Rest of My Life" would be great to have, along with the full version of "My Enemy", but other than that I thought this was a very solid release.


ggctuk2014-10-16 21:42:41
I think there was some really good stuff in the final battle. I would also like the full music to the scene where Harry asks Electro for help.

AFAIK My Enemy is actually complete, but they either recorded an insert or snuck in the Spidey theme from another cue.

Akshat reply Replies: 1 || 2014-09-30 20:46:40

(After Gwen arrives to help Peter defeat Electro, the song playing is basically Electro ..... I Think...that the who-did-what on this score is going to end up being an ..... My mind was completely BLOWN after watching The Amazing Spider-Man 2 in ...


Akshat2014-09-30 20:47:54
What was the song played ??? Plz help

Cave reply Replies: 2 || 2014-09-25 07:24:40
To answer your question Lin, I believe it's in No Place Like Home (towards the end of the song)

So I just sat down and watched The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and put in CORRECT order the songs and here it is. And yes, this is the most accurate out of the others because I actually wasted my life sitting for hours doing this and making sure it was accurate for myself and anyone else that wants this.

There He Is
I'm Spider-Man
Cold War
No Place Like Home
Ground Rules
The Electro Suite
Harry's Suite
Look At Me
You Need Me
Song For Zula (playing at the beginning of their "date")
I Chose You
My Enemy
You're My Boy (a form of it but not the full real version)
Special Project (once again, a form of it but not the full real version)
You're My Boy (full real version)
I'm Moving to England
Special Project (full real version)
I Need to Know
Sum Total
We're Best Friends
So Much Anger
Still Crazy
(After Gwen arrives to help Peter defeat Electro, the song playing is basically Electro Suite and My Enemy and maybe I'm Electro altogether)
I'm Goblin
Let Her Go
The Rest of My Life
You're That Spider Guy

I don't think I'm Electro really has a place. Maybe a bit of it when he's in Ravencroft but that could also be the other scores designated for Electro.
In my opinion, Hans did an amazing job scoring this movie and this is probably one of my favorite movie albums ever. Also this movie was a great Spider-Man movie, and I'm saying this as a big Spider-Man fan outside of the movies, and I think it deserved better reviews.


Anonymous2014-09-25 12:47:24
seems right

also feels like they cut a part from 'My Enemy' and pasted it into the scene where Electro and Harry first meet


ggctuk2014-09-27 19:07:13
The Electro suite contains very similar parts to two cues: "Max Dillon" and "Max And Harry Meet"

Lin reply Replies: 2 || 2014-09-21 03:58:18
Does anyone know what song is the one where spidey jumps off the building after he breaks up with Gwen?


thejok3rrules2014-09-21 03:59:53
It's not on the official release.


Cave2014-09-25 07:25:30
Actually, it's No Place Like Home, towards the end of the song

jewen07 reply Replies: 18 || 2014-04-28 12:40:07
I think this is the correct order of listening, like the film:

There He Is
I´m Spider-Man
No Place Like Home
Ground Rules
Look At Me
You Need Me
So Much Anger
My Enemy
I'm Moving to England
You´re My Boy
I Need To Know
Special Project
Sum Total
We´re Best Friends
Still Crazy
I Chose You
I´m Goblin
Let Her Go
The Rest of My Life
You´re That Spider Guy

The album realese tracks are not complete soundtrack, I hope soon we can get the Complete Score. ;)


...2014-04-28 15:59:02
Pretty good!

I'd like to add the track "Cold War" that is after "I'm Spider-Man"


marco2014-04-28 17:32:50
so is this pretty much the correct order?



Bondo2014-04-28 23:58:05
Thanks for this! The album definitely benefits from re-editing back into chronological order. There's a more clear flow as the score goes from 'carefree, everyday Spider-Man' into chaos as the villains arise and wreak havoc


...2014-05-04 12:43:43
Do you know the title of that song Peter's listening with his earphones earlier in the movie?&#65279;


ggctuk2014-05-06 09:56:02
Any idea where "I'm Electro" goes?


... 2014-05-06 10:32:48
Maybe in the scene where electro walks to Times Square...


Julia2014-05-16 06:39:21
What song when Peter and Gwen broke up and he is in his room, arranging and putting pictures on the wall of his room? Thank you. :)


Anonymous2014-06-07 17:32:17
When he has headphones on the song is called GONE GONE GONE- Phillip Phillips


ggctuk2014-09-05 09:26:10
I'f I'm not mistaken, "I'm Electro" actually goes during the final fight with Electro, before "I'm Goblin".


Radik2014-09-05 11:29:37
It's played during Electro's Oscorp experiments. "The world without Spider-Man".


Medigo2014-09-05 12:09:53
I am pretty sure 'so much anger' goes before 'still crazy'


ggctuk2014-09-06 14:45:54
Having listened to the film, I'm certain that "I'm Electro" is mistitled and in fact goes before I'm Goblin. In the film, they overlay "Itsy Bitsy Spider" over the top of it.


Adam2014-09-06 21:02:22
Am I the only one who's not able to hear "Itsy Bitsy Spider" during that scene? I've seen the film a couple of times now and I still can't make it out....


ggctuk2014-09-06 21:09:23
It's not obvious at first, but listen as Spidey remarks, "I hate that song". It's in the sound effects, not the music.


Mike2014-09-06 21:09:48
I agree. Everyone says that's what it is, but I can't make it out very well, either.


Adam2014-09-06 21:55:09
Ya I know it's in the SFX and when Spider-Man said "I hate this song", I thought to myself what is he talking about? The second time I saw it in theatres I was ready for it, and I knew it was "Itsy Bitsy Spider", but still couldn't make it out. I wonder if that's included in the sessions and/or is considered a source cue?


Prott2014-09-07 01:46:57
Speaking of the theme - am I the only one who hears the first few notes of the "itsy bitsy spider" in the theme that appears at the end of "You're That Spider Guy"? :-)


ggctuk2014-09-18 18:36:59
There's also two cues you can get from Electro Suite: "Max" and "Electro Kills Dr Kafka".

John reply Replies: 1 || 2014-09-18 03:54:34
I know this will take a while, but I would LOVE to get a big surprise by seeing the leaked Recording Sessions for TASM2. I love a lot of the score that wasn't included in the album OST. I hope someone would reveal to us the recording sessions soon.....(if only....)


mpolonest2014-09-18 15:36:21
I have to completely agree, although it will most likely be awhile till they do. There are some variations on the OSCORP theme and "family" motif that didn't make it to the album. Not to mention the Itsy Bitsy Spider bit.

Still, a pretty solid release by Zimmer and Co.

ggctuk reply Replies: 0 || 2014-09-12 18:42:03
On first listen, this score didn't sit so well with me. I wasn't expecting such a departure from the previous scores, even though I knew Horner's themes were not likely to reappear in any shape or form.

It took a second listen - brought about when the film released on home media, to truly appreciate it more. Sure, this isn't Zimmer's best, but at times he's been accused of copy-pasting his scores (mainly since Inception, I think). So this was not just a departure from the previous scores of the Spider-Man series, but also from Zimmer's own previous works. I have to say, it works well given the context, even if there's a little too much dubstep influence in it. Electro's theme has been stuck in my head for a long while - those guitar chords are simple yet back the theme well. The suite's definitely interesting in how it shifts from orchestral to electronic material - thus mirroring Max's transformation to Electro.

I have to say, aside from the opening theme in track 1 and the 2 suites, my favourite cues are "Still Crazy" and "You're THat Spider Guy". This is one Zimmer score I would certainly consider a purchase of a more complete form: it's just a shame that not all the great orchestral moments were present on the OST.

Anonymous reply Replies: 14 || 2014-09-04 05:37:04
Someone can confirm if these cues are real?

DR. KAFKA EXPERIMENTS
ELECTRO
ELECTRO IS BORN
ELECTRO WANDERS
FUNERAL
HARRY ELECTRO RETURN TO OSCORP
MAX
MAX GOES TO WORK
TIMES SQUARE PT 1
TIMES SQUARE PT 2


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-04 08:25:39
That's the cuesheet available at BMI...


ggctuk2014-09-04 10:16:02
I've heard rumours of TASM2 cues floating about with only 10 cues. Those titles are indeed from BMI and therefore are real cue titles.


eded2014-09-05 16:25:46
What does ''BMI'' mean Hybrid ? :/


Lambegue2014-09-05 16:31:33
It's a company that deals with musical rights.

It's also the Bio Mass Index, but I don't think it's really pertinent in this context. :)


Mike2014-09-05 16:39:20
Well-played, Lambegue. ;)


Zimson2014-09-05 16:55:15
@Lambegue Didn't you mean the Body Mass Index? ;)


Lambegue2014-09-05 18:28:03
Yep, I did :)


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-05 19:07:13
ASCAP & BMI are the 2 big Music Publishing organisms in the US... A composer is either one or the other (Hans used to be BMI, is ASCAP).

Both have website where you can check stuff... No need to be a wizard...

In Europe you have SACEM, GEMA, PRS, etc...


ggctuk2014-09-05 21:00:19
Just a question... why would these be listed on BMI if Zimmer is ASCAP?


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-05 21:19:33
2 reasons : the score itself is published by a company that is BMI (Columbia Boulevard Music).

Half of the composers of that score are BMI (Junkie XL, Kawczynski etc.)


Anonymous2014-09-05 22:22:24
Hybrid I think you mean that they're both organizations, not "organisms". An organism is a living thing :P


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-05 22:24:56
Yeah sorry in French both work ! ;) :P


J2014-09-06 07:31:55
what was the song when peter parker discovers roosevelt station?


Mike2014-09-06 14:38:12
That was "I Need to Know."

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2014-09-05 17:58:34
anyone else hear similarity to james horner's music from 3:40-3:53 in your that spider guy? I wish they had mixed james' theme into the score sometimes....the two are similar enough that it would work well. maybe have one follow into the other.

jewen07 reply Replies: 8 || 2014-05-08 13:08:34
I check the movie again and I can assure the chronologic order of the songs, and sincerely my favourite:

BEWARE BIG SPOILERS:

01. I´m Electro (Album Introduction)
02. There He Is (similar to the piece that is heard during the prologue in the plane)
03. I´m Spider-Man (Spider Symbol and First spider swing)
04. Cold War (Spidey vs Aleksei Sytsevich)
05. No Place Like Home (Gwen speech and Spidey catch Aleksei)
06. Ground Rules (After graduation scene, Gewn and Peter talks)
07. Look At Me (Max Dillon start a new work day in Oscorp)
08. Harry's Suite (Harry and Norman last talk)
09. You Need Me (Peter and Harry recalling childhood)
10. I Chose You (Peter and Gwen new date)
11. So Much Anger (Electro arrives to Times Square)
12. My Enemy (Battle in Times Square)
13. I'm Moving To England (After fight Gwen reveal her plan)
14. You´re My Boy (Aunt May uncover the past)
15. Special Project (Harry betrayed by his company)
16. I Need To Know (Peter goes to Roosevelt station)
17. Sum Total (Harry arrives to Ravencroft institute)
18. We´re Best Friends (Peter and Gwen declare eternal love)
19. Still Crazy (Electro's Last Fight)
20. I´m Goblin (Goblin takes Gwen and last fight)
21. Let Her Go (Gwen falls)
22. The Rest of My Life (Peter five months of depression)
23. You're That Spider Guy (THE BEST SCENE IN THE MOVIE)


marco2014-05-08 23:06:28
'so much anger' can also be put just before 'still crazy'


DSM2014-05-14 03:50:14
Why is "Let Her Go" in the soundtrack CD different from the movie? If you watch the movie, the song contains a female voice throughout the whole song


Julia2014-05-16 06:36:58
What song when Peter and Gwen broke up and he is in his room, arranging and putting pictures on the wall of his room? Thank you. :)


forJulia2014-05-27 22:35:17
THe song when he's arranging pictures on the wall is Gone Gone Gone by Phillip Phillips. It didn't make it onto the official soundtrack for some reason.


Anonymous2014-05-28 04:25:22
@DSM

Hybrid previously posted that the terrific piece in the movie during the clock tower / "Let Her Go" sequence with Olivia Safe on vocals was not included on the soundtrack, because it was a last minute add and the soundtrack had already gone to press. I would love to have it!

Apparently, Hans has Olivia Safe working on Interstellar with him, according to what I read. Who knows?

I finally saw the movie this weekend and loved it and Hans' score compliments that move superbly!


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-28 08:35:32
No she's not on IS, she mixed up the 2 projects (she was probably not told what she was recording for... ;)) !


Aleksei2014-07-29 05:17:40
I hope they release a new album where appears the theme of the death of electro, its amazing and doesnt apears in the 2 cd´s :c


ggctuk2014-09-04 10:17:21
Electro didn't die...

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2014-08-30 03:12:21
Finally saw the movie. The score worked really well for the most part, and there were several FULL statements of the main theme not on the album that should have been on it (such as at one point in the middle of "My Enemy", one point during "Still Crazy", and after Electro is defeated). Also interesting was that the main tune in "I Need to Know" was actually a repeating motif throughout the score, a kind of theme for Peter's parents.


Mike2014-08-30 03:15:49
(...also, The Rest of My Life with the vocals was better than without them.)

Spencer reply Replies: 1 || 2014-06-07 22:30:28
Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew the meaning of the song" You're my boy"


Q2014-06-08 18:54:26
It's to do with the scene where Aunt May tells Peter that as far as she's concerned, he's her boy (as opposed to his parents who left so long ago)

Xmenfirstclass2 reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-20 08:27:51
xmenfirstclass2.com : As according to the news shown by screenrant.com it has revealed a very big spoiler regarding the upcoming great movie from the X men series' next part X men Days Of Future Past. Actually there are some pre-review of the movies that are out and are positive about the movies' plot and character developement. So what is the big spoiler, it is that Wolverine is forced to go back through his own mind to his young body and convince both young Charles Xavier and Magneto to work together and stop the ultimate mass destruction of the mutants from the hands of Sentinals.

IrishBreakfast reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-16 01:34:25
Can't wait for the Final Mixes to see the light of day. Really wanting the film version of the music from The Goblin Transformation scene and the second half of the Times Square and Electro final battle scenes.

Kawhi reply Replies: 3 || 2014-05-15 21:25:03
I Think.. 1-(I'm Electro - composed by Junkie XL - Pharrell Williams)
(opening movie version, i hear electric guitar)2- There He Is - composed by Hans Zimmer - Johnny Marr - Junkie XL)
3-(I'm Spider-Man composed by Hans Zimmer)
4-(My Enemy - composed by Pharrell Williams - Hans Zimmer - Junkie XL - Johnny Marr - Andrew Kawczynski - Steve Mazzaro)
5-(Ground Rules composed by Hans Zimmer)
6-(Look at Me composed by Pharrell Williams - Hans Zimmer)7-(Special Project composed by Hans Zimmer & Steve Mazzaro & Junkie XL - Andrew Kawczynski)
8-(You Need Me - Hans Zimmer & Johnny Marr & Junkie XL)
9-(So Much Anger - composed by Hans Zimmer & The Magnificent Six)
10-(I'm Moving England - composed by Hans Zimmer)
11-(I'm Goblin composed by Hans Zimmer - Junkie XL - Mike Einziger - Johnny Marr - Steve Mazzaro)
12-(Let Her Go - composed by Hans Zimmer)
13-(You Are My Boy - composed by Hans Zimmer)
14-(I Need To Know - composed by Hans Zimmer - Junkie XL - Andrew Kawczynski)
15-(Sum Total - composed by Hans Zimmer - Mike Einziger - Junkie XL)
16-(I Choose You - composed by Hans Zimmer - Johnny Marr)
17-(We're Best Friends - composed by - Hans Zimmer & Johnny Marr)
18-(Still Crazy - composed by Junkie XL - Pharrell Williams - Hans Zimmer - Johnny Marr)
19(The Rest Of My Life - composed by Hans Zimmer)
20-You're That Spider Guy - composed by Hans Zimmer)

21- (The Electro Suite - composed by Pharrell Williams - Hans Zimmer - Junkie XL - Johnny Marr - Andrew Kawczynski - Steve Mazzaro)
22- (Harry Suite - composed by Hans Zimmer - Andrew Kawczynski)
23-Cold War - composed by Hans Zimmer - Johnny Marr - Pharrell Williams - Mike Einziger
24-No Place Like Home - composed by Hans Zimmer & Steve Mazzaro & Mike Einziger & Johnny Marr..


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-15 22:54:52
I Think...that the who-did-what on this score is going to end up being an absolute nightmare! :p


...2014-05-15 22:59:02
Do you guys honestly care about who did what?
I just like and listen to the music lol


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-15 23:03:38
Good point haha...

Speedy reply Replies: 3 || 2014-04-29 01:01:13
Sorry to be a pest - but can anyone please tell me the one I am suggesting is from 0:48-2:02
this is the trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbp3Ra3Yp74
I am just having such a hard time finding this part of the music.


King972014-05-14 03:52:46
Were can I find the song like it is in the movie? For example, "Let Her Go", which has a female voice throughout the whole song


Meta2014-05-14 05:43:56
You can't.

That track is called The Rest of My Life on the OST, and the orchestration is different - they removed the female voice. I'm guessing for spoiler reasons....Which sucks because now that track needs the female voice.


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-14 11:46:07
I think Hybrid said at some point that that female voice was a last-minute addition and was recorded after the soundtrack album had already been pressed.

Everan reply Replies: 1 || 2014-05-13 05:46:49
Seeing this is the most active thread around, is it true that Hans Zimmer sort of worked with Imagine Dragons? Heard that their new song Battle Cry, which is Transformers 4 theme song!!, he is credited in the credits of the song or something like that.

Is it true somehow? Also, when is the song being released? In case anyone knows, of course


Everan2014-05-13 06:47:48
Nevermind, from Bay's official site:
"Following an early footage screening of the film, Imagine Dragons wrote the original song “BATTLE CRY,” which Bay used in critical points in the film. Additionally, the band contributed original music during the scoring process by recording cues with Jablonsky, the film’s composer, and Hans Zimmer, who assisted in the process. The collaboration resulted in added depth to the sound of the film."

Cannot wait to hear it!

Ty Scott reply Replies: 34 || 2014-05-11 05:49:51
Wow, Clemmenson of Filmtracks just gave it a one star rating. Seriously? He thought this was worse than 300: Rise of an Empire? Even Winter Soldier?!!! You gotta be cracked in the head to say TASM 2 is worse than that waste by Jackman. I'm sad to say it, but my respect for his reviews just sank a little. Enough to think he's Zimmer-biased? Definitely not. But something's not right here.


bro2014-05-11 06:47:05
Reality check -- he has already provided the world sufficient evidence that he actually is clearly Zimmer-biased. Not that his reviewers or his lousy site are even relevant. He probably operates on a two dollar per month budget for his webhosting, he is probably /that/ guy who makes a few cents a month from adsense ads.

I would rather elect to visit the front page of the westboro baptist church than give that filmtracks site any traffic.


Zimson2014-05-11 06:58:25
Every artist who tries to break with the rules has to face criticism by traditionalists like Clemmensen. He's that sort of people who just can't accept that the "John Williams era" is over.


JamesT2014-05-11 07:22:04
Clemmenson gets one star from me, in the form of a finger. Too bad we can't vote that way ;)


JamesT2014-05-11 07:26:10
Woopsy. Misspelled his name.


trent easton navarro2014-05-11 10:18:52
@bro if you don't think he's even relevant why do you bother to rant about it? So obviously you are bothered by Clemmenson and his site


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-11 11:14:15
Yeah why mentioning him ? He only reviews RCP stuff cause it brings more clicks to his dying website than anything else does...


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-11 11:55:39
Hybrid, I think you make a good point. I bet he actually likes it more than he lets on, he just gave it one star to drum up some cheap controversy and get a bit of traffic. I think it's his worst review in years (and I usually stand up for the guy). He barely even talks about the music!


Ds2014-05-11 12:04:00
This review was hilarious. How is it possible to take comic-book characters so seriously? The guy acts like HE's the only one to know everything about them.

The reason these characters are still alive is precisely because a diverse array of authors have continuously reinvented them through the ages...


Zimson2014-05-11 13:21:42
@Ds So true! It's also funny how he still rants about MoS and how it's not patriotic enough to him. :D


NM2014-05-11 13:54:43
@Zimson What is the 'John Williams era'? I don't agree with all of this particular Clemmensen review, just as I don't agree with a lot of reviews in general. Even if not all of this score is my cup of tea, I thought it was pretty inventive in parts. I can see where people are coming from when they say maybe he should let off the RCP stuff. I personally would've rather have read his thoughts on the gorgeous 'Philomena' score than disappointments like '300'.

I don't accept the contention that 'every artist who tries to break with the rules has to face criticism by traditionalists'. The current sound we're constantly told is 'breaking the rules' is pretty much the sound de rigueur. It's safe, it's popular, it's not risky at all. Nor do I think people appreciate just how much 'traditional' music, as people see it, breaks 'the rules'.

I find the 'this is the new way', 'JW is over', 'Horner is yesterday' comments are a bit distasteful. It's ironically doing the same thing that they're criticising others of doing. And it doesn't actually give credit on particular scores like this where something new was tried, that isn't completely just following a modern trend.

I can understand why Clemmensen is jaded. There is a particular sound that is dominating mainstream action/drama scoring, and even John Powell recently commented that it's 'ruining' film music. But there are still gems being produced, despite the popularity of crushingly outdated-sounding, limp executions of Zimmer's sound. So I find I can mostly just ignore it and listen to what I want to listen, and write the music I want to write. And these things come and go, it's the current paradigm. They happen in every artistic field, something gets popular, bunch of stuff copies it.


Saurabh2014-05-11 14:19:53
I agree that Hans tries something and that sound becomes the norm for a few years which others imitate. But why blame the man for it as if he's the source of the generic crap that's out there. If others imitate his style, the only thing he can do is try to find a new sound. With MOS, the idea didn't work out as a whole according to me, but with TASM2 the results were excellent. I can't remember a recent superhero score where the hero and the villain have clearly defined and distinct themes. Whatever be the outcome, Hans tries to create a certain sound for a particular film. Why lash out at him if others are responsible for the current trashy droning safe sound? His review for CA:TWS was on a philosophical level regarding society's need for sensationalism. And yet he rewarded it 2 stars. Seriously? I think Clemmensen simply missed the point with this one or he's pretending to thanks to his bias.


greg2014-05-11 14:21:44
I agree with you NM. Most people on this page criticize people who dont like zimmer, thinking they are intolerant, but do exactly the same by saying horner, williams and more are over. The hypocrizy here is beyond everything.

Btw am i the only one who hear the exorcist theme in my enemy?


Zimson2014-05-11 14:55:03
@NM The "John Williams era" is just a term that I came up with, like the classical or romantic era in music history, but for film music. Williams was defining for the scores between the 70s and 90s, just like Hans is defining for modern action scores, so I thought I simply call that time the John Williams era.
By saying that this era is over I mean that hardly any composer today writes music in Williams' style.
However, there are still people like Clemmensen who can't accept this fact and react by bashing everything that doesn't fit into their narrow definition of what film music has to be like. This even ends up in insults against, in this case, RCP composers and downgrading of their talents which is by no means justified.

Nobody has to like RCP stuff, but it almost seems like Clemmensen is on a personal jihad or something.



NM2014-05-11 15:51:19
@Zimson Perhaps to an extent you are right. I suppose a lot of the anti-Zimmer sentiment, justified and unjustified, probably stems from the fact that film scores are really the main place you get new, big, complex orchestral pieces regularly commissioned, since orchestras and classical music have eroded in popularity. Across America and Europe many orchestras have been and are in crisis. A lot of orchestras only survive because of public funding or donations. And good luck getting your new opera commissioned! For better or for worse, film is one of the few places you can now hear new orchestral compositions.

Some would argue that value of orchestra in a world blessed with 100s of types of music, is in the challenging and complex structures it offers, and that by diminishing those qualities in an attempt to appeal to a broader base, it loses the value it offers. There is no question that the kind of music over which we are arguing, whatever its merits, is certainly not orchestrally challenging, or thematically complex in the same way your more 'traditional' film music is. So you can understand the upset, that the last refuge for complex, challenging, story-telling orchestral music is, perhaps in their eyes, being diluted.

You could of course, argue the opposite, that film music is keeping the orchestra alive, and it *has* to adapt, and that those concessions in style are necessary to keep a modern audience in touch with orchestral music *at all*. Perhaps you are right, and this simply is 'the way' now (insofar as there can be 'a way'), and we should simply appreciate that this is how orchestras are now, in the main, written for, and appreciate that. And it is absolutely true that film music != orchestral music.

Personally I think there is still a place for challenging orchestral music, and there is still plenty of challenging stuff being written. I think the sound of a pure orchestra in full flow holds an appeal that few can reject and I agree with analyses which states that the problem of decline is more to do with how orchestras market themselves etc. than an intrinsic rejection of the music by the new generation. I personally like synths and electronics and don't mind simple themes, my main disappointment with a lot of modern film music is the lack of a satisfying narrative.


Mike2014-05-11 18:35:53
Re: Edmund, "He barely even talks about the music!"

Did the same thing with MoS. I know that score wasn't your particular cup of tea, and yeah, it could have been better in a number of ways even though I do like it, but....yeah, he spent the entire time slamming Zimmer's methods and interview statements. :P


Pluto2014-05-11 19:07:00
100% agree Mike. Clemmensen did the SAME exact thing when reviewing MoS as he did with TASM 2. He seems like he has an idea of what the movie should be, and judges the scores based on what he thinks the film should have been. I mean, he slams MoS for having no romance, nobility or patriotism. The film didn't have any of those aspects! Superman and Lois don't kiss in MoS until 2 hours into the movie, and 30 seconds later, Supes and Zod are destroying half of metropolis. They way he writes his review, it's as though he were judging Zimmer's music as though Zimmer had written it for the original superman. He didn't; he wrote it for MoS. MoS had no romance, patriotism or nobility, so you won't find that in the music. Clemmensen has turned himself into a joke; in fact, he probably always was....


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-11 19:29:39
You're right about Clemmensen's Man of Steel review. Now I might not much like that score, but I'd never give it one star. It deserves at least two. Jackman's Cap score on the other hand... :p

You should have heard me around Filmtracks around 2007. I got SO MAD when he posted his review of At World's End, you have no idea... #@I!@&^$%*@#!!!!


Anonymous2014-05-11 20:03:39
wow, if it is clicks and buzz that guy wanted for his so called review, I am sure he's getting loads by now, all thanks to you guys. No wonder he keeps on bashing the composer. It sure pays off.


NM2014-05-11 20:25:30
@Edmund
"I'd never give it one star. It deserves at least two. "

He does seem a bit harsh on Zimmer versus the various influences, rip-offs etc.

@Pluto

"MoS had no romance, patriotism or nobility"

or story or characters.

But I quite liked the score as an album listening experience.

@Anon

"It sure pays off."

I doubt he gets as many clicks from it as you think.


Ds2014-05-11 22:20:54
Edmund: I would have gone crazy too if I even knew about this website back in 2007. When you're fond of a piece of art, when you find it delicate and subtle and immensely, strikingly beautiful, there is nothing worse than hearing someone quickly saying "it is just more of the same shit".

This applies to "At World's End" which is, by my standards, maybe THE best Zimmer has ever put out, a success from the first to the last second of music. And reading Clemmensen treating it just as a random, common Zimmer release, really made me hate this guy.

But back in 2007, at this time I was just a guy who used to enjoy his music at home and did not pay attention to what people were saying on the internet. What a different time it was...


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-11 23:28:15
Oh yes Ds, the good old time when I was getting the CDs of Braveheart, Titanic, Armageddon, Star Wars Ep 1, Gladiator, Dinosaur, Pearl Harbor or King Arthur and I just... listened to them, enjoying, not giving a damn about anything...

And then, the internet... For better or for worse, 2005 happened and I got in there... lol


Ty Scott2014-05-12 01:48:16
The more I read his review, the more I start getting a little pissed off. If this is Clemmensen's idea of trying to get more popularity, it may work for now but in the end it'll implode on him. Sure, he's getting more traffic now, but if he keeps pulling this crap and starts pissing more and more people off, sooner or later they'll get fed up and give him the old fuck off. He basically is gonna start turning into the Armond White (Google it if you don't know) of film score critics if he keeps this up.

As for Southall, he came in with a better approach in his review and to that extent I think he deserves more respect from me, not because he gave it a **** rating. Really loved his Godzilla review too.


RealFfingMusic2014-05-12 07:02:09
Not sure why any of you even bother viewing filmtracks.com for RCP scores. You people just provide him with traffic, which is exactly the reason he b**ches on about RCP. Want me to put it straight? YOU people fulfil his objective.


Another one2014-05-12 07:35:54
He gave 3 stars to Divergent so... I think he even give winters tale a good rating and rush too. Yeah he might be a little bitchy but sometimes he has a point. But at the it just his opinion and you just can agreed to disagreed.

Im not trying to defend him you just need to understand that people has differents opinions


Ty Scott2014-05-12 08:22:10
@ Another

Yeah, I understand to each his own and I can respect one's opinion. But he really jammed the wrong kind of opinions in his "review." I think most will agree that basically he just ranted on and on about Zimmer himself and not the music, save for a few snippets. If he wants to go off on Zimmer, well whoop-die-dee go right ahead cause I can take it. He can even right a freaking book about it for all I care. But don't make nearly all of your review of a film score a big rant about the composer. It's absurd, childish, and very un-critic like, as well as a bullshit treatment of the score itself.


NM2014-05-12 14:14:28
Why all the anger, Ty?

I don't even get why we're 'discussing' his review score to this extent. Like, what's the point? I tried to look at it from a broader perspective and talk about something interesting (changes in orchestral music and why some people react negatively to modern film music) and a (in my opinion) thoughtful post was ignored so we can go back to bitching about Clemmenson. Fuck that. It's every bit as tedious and whiney as some of you guys allege he comes across in his reviews.


Meta2014-05-12 16:28:41
This score,to me, was no different from his Superman score so technically the guy should've given at least the same score...

Eh whatever. That guy's opinion and last I checked all he does it write blogs, wait to see who posts a negative comment, and then bans them from commenting on his website, as if he's afraid of bad press.

Last I checked, the guy needs ANY kind of press, really...




Edmund Meinerts2014-05-12 17:18:15
Wow, Meta. There's so much wrong with your comment I don't even know where to start.


Mike2014-05-12 17:22:17
Perhaps the most obvious thing is that this score actually has an instantly recognizable, fun fanfare as a theme, while Man of Steel's was much more subdued for most of that score......


Ty Scott2014-05-12 17:52:50
Had to finish my two cents, NM. I felt like I didn't explain my reasoning for why I was unhappy in the op. And since there's no editing a post I had to make another.

@Meta what? Clarify that for me, please.

@Mike yeah, that was one thing I didn't like about MoS. He kept teasing it until it finally showed in the end credits.


Ds2014-05-12 18:46:04
A lot of people here seem to find this score superior to Man of Steel... In my opinion, this is a very good and enjoyable score, with brilliant parts and great ideas, but as a whole I think MoS was just better. I think in a couple of years I'll still be listening regularly to MoS, but I can't imagine the same thing happening with TASM2.

MoS was insanely cool, while being also a serious, intense score full of majesty. TASM2 is only cool and light-hearted. This is no bad thing, but for me it won't last as long as MoS will.


Mike2014-05-12 21:09:15
I must really sound schizophrenic when I discuss the MoS score. On the one hand I can understand the criticisms and think of several ways it could be better--especially within the film--but on the whole, I agree with Ds. Man of Steel was far from a perfect piece of work, and while there are things I prefer about TASM2 (a more traditional theme, a sense of levity all throughout, a fresh sound to the whole thing), I would say Man of Steel is still my preference.


Meta2014-05-13 05:41:01
I don't really CARE enough to allow my train of thought to stay on the tracks, so whatever....

I still think the guy at Filmtracks is an idiot.


Meta2014-05-13 05:43:51
Oh and by my statement of this being the same caliber as Man of Steel, I mean that in the sense that this is Zimmer being very experimental (and employing Junkie XL)


if the tard is going to give MOS 2 stars, then might as well give this one 2 stars....

Im not a huge fan of his recent collaborations, in other words.

Drunkenmunkey reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-13 00:25:54
Why the hell did they not release the track that was like a piano guitar thingy in the first electro fight with spidey? The one where it sounded like it was an electronic beat?

Carl reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-12 09:36:13
Did anyone listen through the entire end credits at the cinema? What music was playing? Was it identical to something that can be found on the album or a variation/different arrangement?

Vortex 696 reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-11 21:07:28
Great soundtrack! Wow

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-11 18:51:10
the statement of the main theme at 1:52 in cold war is probably the most heroic use of the superhero theme zimmer has yet tried. :P the version with the guitar behind it later in the track is really awesome too.

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