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The score reflects the situation of DC movies very well. If Zimmer, like Snyder, continued, the result may not please everyone. A lot of people were unhappy with Snyder's work in the genre, just as many fans of soundtrack were with Zimmer's contributions that never followed the path taken by all the other composers who came before him.<br><br>The two left (regardless of the reason that led them to do this).<br><br>When Zimmer left everyone knew that XL would not hold the pressure or that the result would not be satisfactory for most.<br><br>When Elfman and Whedon were announced we all knew that they were hired to go against everything DC has done before to try to reach the first film of the franchise to reach 1 billion. Even if they were to follow Marvel's script and drop their originality.<br><br>But the hiring of Elfman and Whedon shows that the studio was long lost. Snyder succumbed to BvS. The only salvation for the DCEU are the solo films like Wonder Woman, the next Batman, Aquaman ...and freedom. Freedom for the directors, composers... Warner has always had this advantage over Marvel.@Edmund <br>Given the chance I think Junkie probably could deliver a pretty fun score that stayed thematically consistent with the current universe. It all depends on what the studio/director wants out of the music. The biggest disappointment to me is that this was a huge missed opportunity to do a heroic take on Zimmerís Superman theme, something we havenít heard since MoS. Hell, even the trailers did that.... -_-rumor has it Lorne Balfe did this score<br><br>I guess if we do not get any credits then that proves it<br>======================================<br><br>Oh, absolutely! I'm sure we will soon find out that Balfe also scored Star Wars and Titanic. And Harry Potter. And Indiana Jones.Edmund, I somewhat agree - I've seen very little from Junkie to make me think this would have been a groundbreaking, wonderful score. However, maybe it's the Zimmer fan in me, but I would have loved to hear "stock, barely-altered reprises of Zimmer's themes all over the place" in this score. So many scenes begged for just that. Compositionally it doesn't make for an interesting soundtrack or film score, I agree, but I would be willing to sacrifice that for thematic continuity.I certainly understand the criticisms leveled at Elfman's JL score, but I'm not at all convinced Junkie would have been a better option. I've never been too convinced by him anyway (Mad Max was a situation where his sound happened to be a good fit, but even then I think a better composer could have made much more out of the same ingredients). And since anything worthwhile in the previous two (and yeah, I'm aware I like MoS and BvS waaaaaaaay less than the average reader of this site) ended up being by Hans anyway, I really doubt Junkie flying solo would have been up to much. My guess is he would have pulled out stock, barely-altered reprises of Zimmer's themes all over the place without adding much new material on his own, which would have satisfied the DC fans more than what Elfman did, sure, but would have been a lot less interesting as a score album. I mean, say what you want about the questionable thematic decisions Elfman made, the two gigantic full-length action cues are pretty solid in and of themselves. I'll take that over Junkie letting the drums pound for eleven minutes straight, any day of the week.
The studio is the music owner now.There you go. So we probably will never get to hear what Tom planned/did for this movie. I really believe that it would've been great compared to the generic score we got. <br>Only two tracks stood out to me and only one was an actual cue from the movie.Gabriel Yared leaked his Troy back in 2004 but I think he got in quite a lot of trouble for that. There's a reason he hasn't done too many high profile films since then, I think. A few rejecteds have slipped out over the years but it's pretty unheard of for the composer himself to be the one to leak it I think, that would be career suicide if they got caught. Usually they come out the same way complete scores do, some anonymous person working on the scoring team probably did it.and Zimmer criticized Elfman...back and forth, etc. So what? The movie is lame, the score is about as lame as Bat V Sup@JBSO99 you're right. It's so big and widely spread.<br><br>And you're right about me forgetting those score. I just picked these three because Elfman critized Zimmer
@Iamtommie  You forgot the theme by Elliot Goldenthal for Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, for not to mention the theme from the 60's TV show and all the themes for all the different animated motion pictures such as The Dark Knight Returns, Mask of the Phantasm, or the videogames like the Arkham series.<br><br>Batman's musical legacy is very big so him saying there is only one theme and his the one he created is really disrespectful to a big amount of composers.Yeah, that's what I thought you meant. And that's what Elfman should have done if he wanted to use the old themes.I think what Elfman said is not true.<br>Batman has different themes for different movies because every Batman is different.<br><br>Michael Keaton as Batman: Elfman's Theme<br>Christian Bale as Batman: Hans' Theme<br>Ben Affleck as Batman: Hans & Junkie's Theme.<br>Of course much more but the most important.<br><br>Each one if dies Batman's have a different story and a different universe. I think that for each universe a new theme is the best thing you can do. With a different theme you can relate more to this Batman than a previous one.<br><br>By the way, I think TDK, MoS & WW are 3 of the top 10 themes by Zimmer. I think what Elfman did the WW theme is an abomination. He removed the key instrument in the theme because he thought it was childisch.<br><br>I think the Justce League score is way worse than previous DCEU or Batman movies. I hope that Lorne of Junkie will do future DCUE movies instead of Elfman.<br><br>(Seeing Justice League thursday. I am curious if it is really that bad as everyine says)GITS was unreleased, JXL's JL score was completely rejected. The real qustion is how many rejected scores have leaked in the history of modern film scoring?Ghost in a thing that doesn't have life but does
Which score would that be?Seeing as how Lorne Balfe ďleakedĒ his own score, I wonder if Tom could easily do the same?Haha - honestly though, before I realized this I felt Jablonsky didn't really bind the score together that well with themes and motifs. This is a pretty cool connection and I'm glad he made it.Almost like this was a film score or something! ;)I don't suppose you have credits for this score, Hybrid?
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The Peacemaker (Limited)
Label: La-La Land Records
Length: 152'13
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CD1
  1. Voice Of God - Vassily's Dilemma (6:49)
  2. Hijack (7:46)
  3. It Wasn't An Accident - Exporting Good Will - Smoke Screen (3:55)
  4. Bombs On The Move - Alexsander Kodoroff - Kodoroff's Alive (5:11)
  5. Good Guys - Bad Guys - Dusan's Village (1:51)
  6. Keep On Truckin' - Head Of Transportation - Hasselhoff - Escape (4:38)
  7. Car Chase (5:51)
  8. Forty-Four E - Dusan's Confession (3:24)
  9. Truck Convoy - License Plate (2:46)
  10. Nocturne In C# Minor (1:15) (Frederic Chopin)
  11. Get Me Authorized (feat. Mamak Khadem) (2:38)
  12. Checkpoint - Helicopter Chase (12:11)
  13. One Unaccounted For - Dusan Gets Bomb - Dusan's speech (5:06)
  14. He's Going To New York - F.B.I. N.Y. - Swiss Flight #1204 (4:37)
  15. Dusan's Flashback (6:18)
CD2
  1. Dusan With Bomb - Dusan In Church (11:18)
  2. Dusan Kills Himself (3:28)
  3. Dr. Kelly Is O.K. - Dr. Kelly Got 10 More (3:28)
    BONUS TRACKS
  4. Trains (Original Album Version) (13:54)
  5. Devoe's Revenge (Original Album Version) (5:16)
  6. Sarajevo (Original Album Version) (8:43)
  7. Chase (Original Album Version) (17:06)
  8. Peacemaker (Original Album Version) (9:45)
  9. Get Me Authorized (Alternate Vocals feat. Lisbeth Scott) (2:42)
  10. The Peacemaker Trailer Music (2:18)
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MrFix reply Replies: 10 || 2014-05-31 00:44:44
Wow, the sound on this is hurtful to my ears. the highs and mids are crazily painful and hardly anything at the bottom. very disappointed with LLL


trent easton navarro2014-06-01 13:13:24
Haven't listened to this one with headphones yet but at first listen I don't hear anything wrong with it. But I must admit I'm not a major audiophile, so what do I know.


Hybrid Soldier2014-06-01 13:36:54
Well they didn't kick anyone's ass with the mastering...


The 1997 OST was a lot more violent (and suitable for this kind of score)... They played it weak here (they even made the 1997 OST selection softer here)...


Cloud2014-06-01 19:21:12
The only thing I don't like about this is that some parts are way more silent than I'd like them to be. I find myself adjusting the volume constantly while listening to this.


Hybrid Soldier2014-06-01 19:34:15
Which is exactly the definition of a not great mastering... lol


Edmund Meinerts2014-06-01 22:33:00
I haven't listened to the new release yet but is the sound still better than the boot?


Anonymous2014-06-02 04:22:41
Actually, dynamic range is a good thing, Hybrid.


RealFfingMusic2014-06-02 07:22:36
Dynamic range is definitely a good thing, but only when it enhances the music. But this one has such a high dynamic range that one has to keep a finger on volume control, or risk missing out certain portions. That, m'friend, is BAD remastering.

P.S. I've listened to only 4-5 tracks and I already HATE it.


Hybrid Soldier2014-06-02 07:59:10
It's a good thing for an orchestral score like Kingdom of Heaven...

For Peacemaker, not so much...


MrFix2014-06-02 11:40:39
@hybrid
Exactly!! For the peacemaker, because it's mainly synthetic (not to sure if it is completely) it's like volume was intentionally dropped and peaked during post recording to try and give more of a dynamic sound for on screen purposes. I've noticed a few scores like that too from zimmer, crimson tide for one comes into mind.


Soundtracks942017-09-20 19:32:29
I own the CD and I agree there are times in the score where it's so bombastic it distorts your speakers.

Still, I felt this was a great score from Zimmer. It was peak Russian sounding chorus time for Hans and the action cues were better than other scores of this time like The Rock.

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2015-03-08 22:14:36
I feel like John Powell's name for "Additional Music" is new here...Have I just been missing it, or has new info come to light?


Edmund Meinerts2015-03-08 22:48:41
Yeah, I never noticed that either. Didn't think HGW was involved with this either outside of the trailer music (or is that all that is meant by "additional music" here?).

We all know Greenaway worked extensively on this and he did Face/Off with Powell the same year, so who knows...


Hybrid Soldier2015-03-08 23:15:01
I found that. Hans couldn't confirm nor deny, he doesn't remember... lol

Anonymous reply Replies: 2 || 2014-08-22 19:30:39
who arranged the trailer track?


Hybrid Soldier2014-08-22 20:14:19
Click "See details..."


Anonymous2014-08-22 23:14:36
thanks

Anonymous reply Replies: 15 || 2014-05-16 15:13:04
anyone got a tracklist? :P


trent easton navarro2014-05-16 16:41:29
not yet, guess we'll have to wait till tuesday


Poe2014-05-20 05:52:06
DISC 1
1. Voice of God / Vassilyís Dilemma 6:49
2. Hijack 7:46
3. It Wasnít an Accident / Exporting Good Will / Smoke Screen 3:55
4. Bombs on the Move / Alexsander Kodoroff / Kodoroffís Alive 5:11
5. Good Guys / Bad Guys / Dusanís Village 1:51
6. Keep On Truckiní / Head of Transportation / Hasselhoff / Escape 4:38
7. Car Chase 5:51
8. Forty-Four E / Dusanís Confession 3:24
9. Truck Convoy / License Plate 2:46
10. Nocturne in C# Minor 1:15 (Frederic Chopin)
11. Get Me Authorized (feat. Mamak Khadem) 2:38
12. Checkpoint / Helicopter Chase 12:11
13. One Unaccounted For / Dusan Gets Bomb/ Dusanís Speech 5:06
14. Heís Going to New York / F.B.I. N.Y. / Swiss Flight #1204 4:37
15. Dusanís Flashback 6:18
TOTAL DISC TIME: 74:16

DISC 2
1. Dusan With Bomb / Dusan in Church 11:18
2. Dusan Kills Himself 3:28
3. Dr. Kelly Is O.K. / Dr. Kelly Got 10 More 3:28
BONUS TRACKS
4. Trains (original album version) 13:54
5. Devoeís Revenge (original album version) 5:16
6. Sarajevo (original album version) 8:43
7. Chase (original album version) 17:06
8. Peacemaker (original album version) 9:45
9. Get Me Authorized (alternate vocals feat. Lisbeth Scott) 2:42
10. The Peacemaker Trailer Music 2:18


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-20 12:12:14
Oh La-La Land...I love you, but it seems like your trend of pointlessly combining separate cues into lengthier ones shows no sign of abating. :/


Aggelos2014-05-20 14:24:02
It's great to have all this material remastered, restored and dressed in an official package/disc.

However, I was wondering what happened to the unused cues of Peacemaker?
There is a rumour that some composers block(ed) various scores from receiving an official expanded release. Do you think that something like that happened in this case?
LaLaLand must have known that there was an unofficial release with unused cues.
I was expecting surprises from this (such as previously unreleased material etc), but so far I don't see anything big.
It looks more in the style of Broken Arrow and Speed 2. That is to say, on the one hand they were official expanded releases, but on the other hand there had been more material available (on promo releases, et al) that wasn't include for some reason.





Hybrid Soldier2014-05-20 15:52:57
What are you talking about ? The fake thing floating around for a decade ? lol


Aggelos2014-05-20 17:18:22
Ya dat thing.
Was it phoney??
In any case, where iz da previouzly unrealeazed material??


mark2014-05-20 19:08:38
hey there, just wanted to to clear this up, i remastered a few of the tracks from peacemaker just for fun, and added some extra sounds i created on my synthesizer, i named it the unused cues which is where those tracks came from, hope this helps


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-20 19:14:11
And people were naive enough to believe it, especially 10 years ago...


Poe2014-05-20 19:58:23
What fake thing are we referring to?

And yes, Edmund, my first thought was exactly the same.


Aggelos2014-05-20 22:00:13
Excellent! Not that we have clarified this up, I think we can go on with our lives. Cheers!!!

The thematic material that appears on the events that take place in Sarajevo somehow reminds me ideas by Ippolitov-Ivanov featured in his orchestral suite Caucasian Sketches.
Search on youtube for Ippolitov-Ivanov "In a Village" (the 2nd movement of the suite)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pqperR8R4g


Mr Tweedy2014-05-21 00:31:01
10 or 15 years ago, there was a "Peacemaker - unused cues" bootleg album floating around. I think they refer to this. And yes, it was a bunch of bootleg cues edited together with some synth and drums added on top of it. There was no "real" new music from Hans' studio at all.


LP2014-05-21 16:36:01
@Edmund Meinerts

More tracks = more money. So they end up compromising by way of combining the cues together. I hate this, because it's never sounded seamless, but I have to accept it because it's the only way these thing could be released legitimately


Poe2014-05-22 19:23:00
Number of tracks has nothing to do with it. More music=more money, if anything, but having split tracks wouldn't make it more expensive.


Aggelos2014-05-23 13:37:35
Regarding cues such as Dusan's Confession, Dusan's Village, Dusan's speech, the thematic material somehow bears an interesting resemblance to ideas by Mikhail Ippolitov-Ivanov featured in his orchestral suite Caucasian Sketches ("In a Village" the 2nd movement of the suite).
Am I the only one who has noticed this?




Aggelos2014-05-25 16:52:00
In addition, Trains (album version) or Hijack have moments that remind a little bit Sergei Prokofiev's "Tylbat's Death" from Romeo and Juliet.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 5 || 2014-05-22 22:23:28
I added all the booklet credits... :)


thejok3rrules2014-05-22 23:28:50
Did Zimmer actually wrote everything except ''Devoe's Revenge'' and the trailer music?


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-23 12:14:49
That's ironic considering "Devoe's Revenge" is the one cue we know is cowritten by Gavin Greenaway.


thejok3rrules2014-05-23 19:53:17
It's nothing ironic, mate... I checked the booklet, it said ''All Songs Written by Hans Zimmer Except
"Devoe's Revenge" Written by Gavin Greenaway
& "The Peacemaker Trailer Music" Written by Harry Gregson-Williams'', so I asked myself: Is it true? Whatever.


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-23 21:46:10
Oh, sorry! I somehow managed to read your comment the wrong way around. Silly me... :p


thejok3rrules2014-05-24 16:23:20
Don't worry, mate, it's not a problem ;)

marco reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-20 23:24:19
i hope the remastering on this isn't as harsh on the ears as broken arrow was

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 7 || 2014-05-04 15:09:05
The best of the best for Hans


Aggelos2014-05-04 19:00:47
This is going to be very interesting, nonetheless!
Hopefully, LaLaLand will release more stuff from the Media Ventures gang of the '90s before long.



trent easton navarro2014-05-04 20:13:16
LaLaLand has already released quite some quality stuff from the 90's (Mancina's Bad Boys, Money Train and Speed scores, Zimmer's Broken Arrow and Days of Thunder). But there are still a few I like so released (Fair Game, Assassins) or expanded (The Fan, The Rock)


Anonymous2014-05-05 18:52:11
Next up please, The Fan, The Fan, The Fan!!!


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-05 19:30:18
I'm really surprised how many, uh, fans The Fan has. I know that apparently the album isn't a good representative of the score, but still - I didn't think what's there is really much good. I'm much more excited about The Peacemaker (even though I've already heard it :p )


Lambegue2014-05-05 19:40:18
I'm really excited about this one too


trent easton navarro2014-05-05 22:42:34
Like I said in an other thread, for me The Fan is the perfect combination between Hans Zimmer and NIN. Considering you don't like Trent Reznor, I'm not surprised you don't really care for The Fan.

As for this one, can't wait to own it! One of my fave Zimmer scores and of his finest action scores.


Aggelos2014-05-13 21:24:27
From LLL's FB page
@"
REISSUE PRODUCED FOR LA-LA LAND RECORDS BY DAN GOLDWASSER
MASTERED BY DOUG SCHWARTZ AT MULHOLLAND MUSIC
LINER NOTES BY TIM GREIVING
ART DIRECTION BY DAN GOLDWASSER

At long last, La-La Land Records, UME and Paramount Pictures (in association with Dreamworks Pictures) present one of Hans Zimmerís greatest action scores Ė THE PEACEMAKER. This 1997 crackerjack thriller features one of Mr. Zimmerís most legendary, jaw-droppingly awesome scores. Jam packed with over 2 &#189; hours of music -- including original album edits, an alternate vocal featuring Lisbeth Scott and music exclusively written for the filmís trailer -- this 2 cd set features in depth liner notes by film music writer Tim Greiving and spectacular art direction by Dan Goldwasser. A must have purchase for any fan of high octane, memorable action music.
"@

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