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So Hybrid, care to tell us why you randomly deleted comments talking about the leaked recording sessions?Yes! That piano part is amazing! <br>„when charles and jean stand in front of the school“Saw the movie. Great score and it really fits the movie.<br><br>Missing stuff:<br>- 25 seconds of a piano version of Gap without the brass and bells<br>- a 30 second badass version of the main theme during the mageneto/jean helicopter stand off<br>- 1.5 minute end credits suite. Typical Zimmer to leave the best and most epic track and best main theme version off the album. I hope it will be on CD2, but knowing Zimmer the best tracks always remain unreleased. This is another escape from ship...after listening and listening...this score is truly amazing! i love it so much! i want the suites and ideas NOW! :DWhere can I find this?
been listening to this score for a week now and i am going to wait a little more before putting a comment on it here... but there's something else i have been saying for a while now. let's stop associating scores with movies and start seeing them as a work of art in their own rights. (albeit inspired by movies)<br><br>people are here complaining about the movie that it didn't speak to them. and then i have the feeling that they project their disappointment on the soundtrack. but both pieces of art co-exist and not depend on each other. i, for example, seldom watch any of these movies. but i have listened to their soundtracks and love them.<br><br>also i never asked for an extended CD before... but we need one for this one. it's very clear that tracks like gap and coda were definitely shortened.<br><br>also i never asked for an extended CD before but we need one for DP. it's clear that tracks like gap and coda were definitely shortened.There's nothing unique about those choirs, standard East European chorus stuff mixed with Johansson. Check out Debbie Wiseman's Warriors from 2000 and you'll get a much more elaborate version of this music.I cant say that this chorus reminds me of anything I have heard Zimmer done before. And I have played all his scores to death.I agree that Gap is the best track. My main complain with this score is that it feels that Zimmer composed it on autopilot. For me those choirs sounded too much to Electro's Theme in TASM. Is too standard and has very few remarkable moments. The movie itself lacks of personality and the score is part of that problem. I think they just wanted "dark" and hired Zimmer for making his dark ostitatos.I thought I read somewhere Armageddon was the last bay film that hgw was a part of<br>===============================<br><br><br>Well, Bay and HGW were not exactly best friends during Armageddon. Bay is very demanding and tough. HGW is also not a shy dude. He is an opinionated guy who stands his ground, as you can tell by his interviews. He reminds me of Mancina…..He's not afraid to speak up and have his opinion heard. And just like Mancina, his relationship with the Bay/Bruckheimer family seemed to be...….a bit complicated. Yet, he worked on Bad Boys 2 and Deja Vu. Now, it is possible - tho not likely - that Bay didn't even know that HGW did some work on BB2. Maybe it was just a favor for Steve and Trevor. Under the table, so to speak..... Personally, I don't believe that's the case. Whatever the truth, this is a great example of how different those composers are. Trevor and Steve work great with Bay/Bruckheimer and they always deliver great results. While composers like HGW and Mancina have problems with more demanding filmmakers. And apparently they don't even like action cinema. I don't necessary blame them, even though Mancina certainly didn't do himself any favors by trashing the genre and the people who back in the 90's gave him a shot to prove himself as a composer.
Love John Powell. But he is not even close to Williams. Williams made his mark on every genre of film scoring. He freaking turn a holocaust movie score into a masterpiece for the ages.<br><br>Today, that score would have been some generic sound design.<br><br>Powell is an incredibly gifted orchestral composer. But he doesn't have the dimensions of someone like Williams. <br><br>You fools, the tracklist was but a scam. The tracks simply wanted to EAT you.Yeah, while this does have a great deal more substance than most of the work Hans has done the past few years, I struggle to say it's a genuinely *good* score.<br><br>I mean, within the first minute I'm reminded of Dunkirk, then we get a pretty standard Zimmer/Balfe buildup we've heard a million times since Inception... and it doesn't get hugely better from there.<br><br>I will definitely give Zimmer credit for the unique and genuinely creative use of female choir in some of the cues, though.Not to disagree for its own sake, but I think Powell has been up there with the greatest film composers since the first HTTYD score. I just wish he'd take on more projects.Yeah, Jesus. This is a prime example of why I'm tempted to think John Powell is more talented than even Williams (yes, I went there).
There's so, so many great themes in the HTTYD scores. And he almost never lets a moment go by where he isn't stating or restating or developing one or more of them (although honestly that's true of a ton of Powell's scores and not an exclusive feature of HTTYD). You can never get bored listening to these, there's always something interesting around the next corner.I got confirmation HGW only wrote Haitian House Shootout (with the help of Mel Wesson). The same ideas were edited into the shorter cue Zoepound, so I'd say you can add this one to his credits.<br><br>Credits on IMDB mentions Paul Linford on the Main Titles.<br><br>Trevor Morris helped Jablonsky on the Ferrari Causeway Chase.<br>Jablonsky worked, for sure, on the Hallway and Helicopter Inserts.<br><br>100% sure Rabin worked on Tapia, Tapia Pissed Off, The Stuff, Wiretap Results, Ocean, Dead Bodies #2, Heart to Heart, Breaking Into Mortuary, Syd's Cover Is Blown, Tapia Has Syd (without Inserts), Prep for Tapia Sneak, Cuba Chase, Guantanamo (those tracks are on the Rabin only-bootleg).Hoping for the Rocketman score to get a release. Loved the score in the movie. Any updates on this ?Additionally, for anyone interested, I've managed to come up with a final list of themes from the series that I believe to be mostly accurate.<br><br>HTTYD 1: Hiccup & Toothless, The Friendship ostinato, Viking Theme, Viking "B" Theme, Dragons, Berk, The Dragon Tamer (Hiccup's unique qualities), Vikings & Dragons, Astrid<br><br>HTTYD 2: Loss, Exploration/Hiccup's Maturance, Drago, Hiccup & Valka, The Alpha, Stoick & Valka, The Chief<br><br>HTTYD 3: The Furies ostinato, Love, The Dragon Liberators, Moving On, The Hidden World, Toothless & The Light Fury, Grimmel, Dragon Trappers<br><br>A list more impressive than Star Wars, and with almost every new theme returning for the next film, while keeping most of the base themes. A masterful achievement by John Powell and his crew, as others have said!Just finished watching the movie, and while it's not much more than fine, it's sure as hell better than every other Star Wars movie that's come out since The Force Awakens (minus the ugly fucking visuals). <br><br>However the score is absolutely amazing. Powell's adaptation and development of the new Han Solo theme from Williams is flawless, the callbacks to other themes from the series are mostly appropriate (and good on him for not using the Force theme once!) and Powell's original material is fresh and exciting in a way that even Williams himself hasn't been able to pull off with the new films. <br><br>Powell might very well be up there with the greatest film composers if he continues to produce work like this from now on (which from HTTYD 3 seems very possible!)
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The Peacemaker (Limited)
Label: La-La Land Records
Length: 152'13
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CD1
  1. Voice Of God - Vassily's Dilemma (6:49)
  2. Hijack (7:46)
  3. It Wasn't An Accident - Exporting Good Will - Smoke Screen (3:55)
  4. Bombs On The Move - Alexsander Kodoroff - Kodoroff's Alive (5:11)
  5. Good Guys - Bad Guys - Dusan's Village (1:51)
  6. Keep On Truckin' - Head Of Transportation - Hasselhoff - Escape (4:38)
  7. Car Chase (5:51)
  8. Forty-Four E - Dusan's Confession (3:24)
  9. Truck Convoy - License Plate (2:46)
  10. Nocturne In C# Minor (1:15) (Frederic Chopin)
  11. Get Me Authorized (feat. Mamak Khadem) (2:38)
  12. Checkpoint - Helicopter Chase (12:11)
  13. One Unaccounted For - Dusan Gets Bomb - Dusan's speech (5:06)
  14. He's Going To New York - F.B.I. N.Y. - Swiss Flight #1204 (4:37)
  15. Dusan's Flashback (6:18)
CD2
  1. Dusan With Bomb - Dusan In Church (11:18)
  2. Dusan Kills Himself (3:28)
  3. Dr. Kelly Is O.K. - Dr. Kelly Got 10 More (3:28)
    BONUS TRACKS
  4. Trains (Original Album Version) (13:54)
  5. Devoe's Revenge (Original Album Version) (5:16)
  6. Sarajevo (Original Album Version) (8:43)
  7. Chase (Original Album Version) (17:06)
  8. Peacemaker (Original Album Version) (9:45)
  9. Get Me Authorized (Alternate Vocals feat. Lisbeth Scott) (2:42)
  10. The Peacemaker Trailer Music (2:18)
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SPECTER reply Replies: 3 || 2018-05-09 05:18:57
Hi guys, is the climax of album version "Peacemaker" with Lisbeth Scott and the male choir featured in the movie somewhere? Saw the film today and didn't hear that awesome singing.

Mike (OTM)2018-05-09 05:51:45
I haven't seen the movie, but "Peacemaker" is a suite. So if you didn't hear it, it's probably not in there. Classic situation with Hans. lol.

SPECTER2018-05-09 23:32:27
kept my ears open the whole time didn't hear it the film. The part in referring to is 8:20 of album version "Peacemaker". Another piece that is in the album but not in the movie is 14:10 of "Chase". It's funny to me because usually some really good film cues are left out of the album but it's the opposite in this case.

Mr Tweedy2018-05-10 10:20:48
As Mike (OTM) mentioned, the track Peacemaker is a theme suite, and isn't used at all in the movie.

As for the "Chase" cue, in my memories it's used in its entirety in the film (but as it is a medley of different tracks, it's popping in several sequences of the film : Helicopter Chase, New York, End Credits). I'm not 100% sure, but I guess the part at 14:10 was used during the NY Chase.

MrFix reply Replies: 10 || 2014-05-31 00:44:44
Wow, the sound on this is hurtful to my ears. the highs and mids are crazily painful and hardly anything at the bottom. very disappointed with LLL

trent easton navarro2014-06-01 13:13:24
Haven't listened to this one with headphones yet but at first listen I don't hear anything wrong with it. But I must admit I'm not a major audiophile, so what do I know.

Hybrid Soldier2014-06-01 13:36:54
Well they didn't kick anyone's ass with the mastering...


The 1997 OST was a lot more violent (and suitable for this kind of score)... They played it weak here (they even made the 1997 OST selection softer here)...

Cloud2014-06-01 19:21:12
The only thing I don't like about this is that some parts are way more silent than I'd like them to be. I find myself adjusting the volume constantly while listening to this.

Hybrid Soldier2014-06-01 19:34:15
Which is exactly the definition of a not great mastering... lol

Edmund Meinerts2014-06-01 22:33:00
I haven't listened to the new release yet but is the sound still better than the boot?

Anonymous2014-06-02 04:22:41
Actually, dynamic range is a good thing, Hybrid.

RealFfingMusic2014-06-02 07:22:36
Dynamic range is definitely a good thing, but only when it enhances the music. But this one has such a high dynamic range that one has to keep a finger on volume control, or risk missing out certain portions. That, m'friend, is BAD remastering.

P.S. I've listened to only 4-5 tracks and I already HATE it.

Hybrid Soldier2014-06-02 07:59:10
It's a good thing for an orchestral score like Kingdom of Heaven...

For Peacemaker, not so much...

MrFix2014-06-02 11:40:39
@hybrid
Exactly!! For the peacemaker, because it's mainly synthetic (not to sure if it is completely) it's like volume was intentionally dropped and peaked during post recording to try and give more of a dynamic sound for on screen purposes. I've noticed a few scores like that too from zimmer, crimson tide for one comes into mind.

Soundtracks942017-09-20 19:32:29
I own the CD and I agree there are times in the score where it's so bombastic it distorts your speakers.

Still, I felt this was a great score from Zimmer. It was peak Russian sounding chorus time for Hans and the action cues were better than other scores of this time like The Rock.

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2015-03-08 22:14:36
I feel like John Powell's name for "Additional Music" is new here...Have I just been missing it, or has new info come to light?

Edmund Meinerts2015-03-08 22:48:41
Yeah, I never noticed that either. Didn't think HGW was involved with this either outside of the trailer music (or is that all that is meant by "additional music" here?).

We all know Greenaway worked extensively on this and he did Face/Off with Powell the same year, so who knows...

Hybrid Soldier2015-03-08 23:15:01
I found that. Hans couldn't confirm nor deny, he doesn't remember... lol

Anonymous reply Replies: 2 || 2014-08-22 19:30:39
who arranged the trailer track?

Hybrid Soldier2014-08-22 20:14:19
Click "See details..."

Anonymous2014-08-22 23:14:36
thanks

Anonymous reply Replies: 15 || 2014-05-16 15:13:04
anyone got a tracklist? :P

trent easton navarro2014-05-16 16:41:29
not yet, guess we'll have to wait till tuesday

Poe2014-05-20 05:52:06
DISC 1
1. Voice of God / Vassily’s Dilemma 6:49
2. Hijack 7:46
3. It Wasn’t an Accident / Exporting Good Will / Smoke Screen 3:55
4. Bombs on the Move / Alexsander Kodoroff / Kodoroff’s Alive 5:11
5. Good Guys / Bad Guys / Dusan’s Village 1:51
6. Keep On Truckin’ / Head of Transportation / Hasselhoff / Escape 4:38
7. Car Chase 5:51
8. Forty-Four E / Dusan’s Confession 3:24
9. Truck Convoy / License Plate 2:46
10. Nocturne in C# Minor 1:15 (Frederic Chopin)
11. Get Me Authorized (feat. Mamak Khadem) 2:38
12. Checkpoint / Helicopter Chase 12:11
13. One Unaccounted For / Dusan Gets Bomb/ Dusan’s Speech 5:06
14. He’s Going to New York / F.B.I. N.Y. / Swiss Flight #1204 4:37
15. Dusan’s Flashback 6:18
TOTAL DISC TIME: 74:16

DISC 2
1. Dusan With Bomb / Dusan in Church 11:18
2. Dusan Kills Himself 3:28
3. Dr. Kelly Is O.K. / Dr. Kelly Got 10 More 3:28
BONUS TRACKS
4. Trains (original album version) 13:54
5. Devoe’s Revenge (original album version) 5:16
6. Sarajevo (original album version) 8:43
7. Chase (original album version) 17:06
8. Peacemaker (original album version) 9:45
9. Get Me Authorized (alternate vocals feat. Lisbeth Scott) 2:42
10. The Peacemaker Trailer Music 2:18

Edmund Meinerts2014-05-20 12:12:14
Oh La-La Land...I love you, but it seems like your trend of pointlessly combining separate cues into lengthier ones shows no sign of abating. :/

Aggelos2014-05-20 14:24:02
It's great to have all this material remastered, restored and dressed in an official package/disc.

However, I was wondering what happened to the unused cues of Peacemaker?
There is a rumour that some composers block(ed) various scores from receiving an official expanded release. Do you think that something like that happened in this case?
LaLaLand must have known that there was an unofficial release with unused cues.
I was expecting surprises from this (such as previously unreleased material etc), but so far I don't see anything big.
It looks more in the style of Broken Arrow and Speed 2. That is to say, on the one hand they were official expanded releases, but on the other hand there had been more material available (on promo releases, et al) that wasn't include for some reason.




Hybrid Soldier2014-05-20 15:52:57
What are you talking about ? The fake thing floating around for a decade ? lol

Aggelos2014-05-20 17:18:22
Ya dat thing.
Was it phoney??
In any case, where iz da previouzly unrealeazed material??

mark2014-05-20 19:08:38
hey there, just wanted to to clear this up, i remastered a few of the tracks from peacemaker just for fun, and added some extra sounds i created on my synthesizer, i named it the unused cues which is where those tracks came from, hope this helps

Hybrid Soldier2014-05-20 19:14:11
And people were naive enough to believe it, especially 10 years ago...

Poe2014-05-20 19:58:23
What fake thing are we referring to?

And yes, Edmund, my first thought was exactly the same.

Aggelos2014-05-20 22:00:13
Excellent! Not that we have clarified this up, I think we can go on with our lives. Cheers!!!

The thematic material that appears on the events that take place in Sarajevo somehow reminds me ideas by Ippolitov-Ivanov featured in his orchestral suite Caucasian Sketches.
Search on youtube for Ippolitov-Ivanov "In a Village" (the 2nd movement of the suite)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pqperR8R4g

Mr Tweedy2014-05-21 00:31:01
10 or 15 years ago, there was a "Peacemaker - unused cues" bootleg album floating around. I think they refer to this. And yes, it was a bunch of bootleg cues edited together with some synth and drums added on top of it. There was no "real" new music from Hans' studio at all.

LP2014-05-21 16:36:01
@Edmund Meinerts

More tracks = more money. So they end up compromising by way of combining the cues together. I hate this, because it's never sounded seamless, but I have to accept it because it's the only way these thing could be released legitimately

Poe2014-05-22 19:23:00
Number of tracks has nothing to do with it. More music=more money, if anything, but having split tracks wouldn't make it more expensive.

Aggelos2014-05-23 13:37:35
Regarding cues such as Dusan's Confession, Dusan's Village, Dusan's speech, the thematic material somehow bears an interesting resemblance to ideas by Mikhail Ippolitov-Ivanov featured in his orchestral suite Caucasian Sketches ("In a Village" the 2nd movement of the suite).
Am I the only one who has noticed this?



Aggelos2014-05-25 16:52:00
In addition, Trains (album version) or Hijack have moments that remind a little bit Sergei Prokofiev's "Tylbat's Death" from Romeo and Juliet.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 5 || 2014-05-22 22:23:28
I added all the booklet credits... :)

thejok3rrules2014-05-22 23:28:50
Did Zimmer actually wrote everything except ''Devoe's Revenge'' and the trailer music?

Edmund Meinerts2014-05-23 12:14:49
That's ironic considering "Devoe's Revenge" is the one cue we know is cowritten by Gavin Greenaway.

thejok3rrules2014-05-23 19:53:17
It's nothing ironic, mate... I checked the booklet, it said ''All Songs Written by Hans Zimmer Except
"Devoe's Revenge" Written by Gavin Greenaway
& "The Peacemaker Trailer Music" Written by Harry Gregson-Williams'', so I asked myself: Is it true? Whatever.

Edmund Meinerts2014-05-23 21:46:10
Oh, sorry! I somehow managed to read your comment the wrong way around. Silly me... :p

thejok3rrules2014-05-24 16:23:20
Don't worry, mate, it's not a problem ;)

marco reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-20 23:24:19
i hope the remastering on this isn't as harsh on the ears as broken arrow was

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 7 || 2014-05-04 15:09:05
The best of the best for Hans

Aggelos2014-05-04 19:00:47
This is going to be very interesting, nonetheless!
Hopefully, LaLaLand will release more stuff from the Media Ventures gang of the '90s before long.


trent easton navarro2014-05-04 20:13:16
LaLaLand has already released quite some quality stuff from the 90's (Mancina's Bad Boys, Money Train and Speed scores, Zimmer's Broken Arrow and Days of Thunder). But there are still a few I like so released (Fair Game, Assassins) or expanded (The Fan, The Rock)

Anonymous2014-05-05 18:52:11
Next up please, The Fan, The Fan, The Fan!!!

Edmund Meinerts2014-05-05 19:30:18
I'm really surprised how many, uh, fans The Fan has. I know that apparently the album isn't a good representative of the score, but still - I didn't think what's there is really much good. I'm much more excited about The Peacemaker (even though I've already heard it :p )

Lambegue2014-05-05 19:40:18
I'm really excited about this one too

trent easton navarro2014-05-05 22:42:34
Like I said in an other thread, for me The Fan is the perfect combination between Hans Zimmer and NIN. Considering you don't like Trent Reznor, I'm not surprised you don't really care for The Fan.

As for this one, can't wait to own it! One of my fave Zimmer scores and of his finest action scores.

Aggelos2014-05-13 21:24:27
From LLL's FB page
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REISSUE PRODUCED FOR LA-LA LAND RECORDS BY DAN GOLDWASSER
MASTERED BY DOUG SCHWARTZ AT MULHOLLAND MUSIC
LINER NOTES BY TIM GREIVING
ART DIRECTION BY DAN GOLDWASSER

At long last, La-La Land Records, UME and Paramount Pictures (in association with Dreamworks Pictures) present one of Hans Zimmer’s greatest action scores – THE PEACEMAKER. This 1997 crackerjack thriller features one of Mr. Zimmer’s most legendary, jaw-droppingly awesome scores. Jam packed with over 2 &#189; hours of music -- including original album edits, an alternate vocal featuring Lisbeth Scott and music exclusively written for the film’s trailer -- this 2 cd set features in depth liner notes by film music writer Tim Greiving and spectacular art direction by Dan Goldwasser. A must have purchase for any fan of high octane, memorable action music.
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