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Anyone notice that the opening of Fighter Chase is super similar to the opening of Brothers In Arms from Mad Max?
You mean "Brothers in Arms" is super similar to the Openining of "Fighter Chase" aka "Punch Hold Slide Repeat" (Original Titel from the Official Score) from Transformers: AOE.
I've heard people complain about the Hometree Destruction scene of Avatar, comparing it to Prometheus, a film shot 4 years after Avatar, and released 3 years later. The Age of Grammar is over. The time for the Orc has come.
Oh crap! My bad. I meant -- ATTINGER: It's called Grammar. It's here illegally. Our world will never be safe until it's all gone. INTERVIEWER: Oh . . . well. I hope we can hold a farewell ceremony, cuz we've worked with it for millennia . . . ATTINGER: It's time to reclaim our linguistic anarchy.
I was listening to the 4 scores this (yeah, like the 10 hours of it or so... lol), and TF4 definitely is the weakest of all...
The themes are cool (Lockdown, Battle Cry, Autobots Reunite) but as a whole the score is pretty boring to follow... Not to mention the very tiring Trapanese sound all around it, like this guy is just able to write Tron-on-demand, with a very lame rip of Oblivion's theme... It's just so annoying...
The third has also temp problems, but was much more interesting and sounded like Steve at least, and his themes were awesome.
The first 2 are in a whole different league, but you don't have to be Einstein to find out that more than half of those scores are not by Jablonsky lol... My favorite remains the second score, because it brings all the good stuff from the first with that particular sound (electro + elec guitar) added by Balfe, who definitely like 60% of the cues lol. And Steve's themes were great + LP's New Divide theme.
Funny that in the end I'll tend to find the Jablonsky/Berg collaboration more interesting...
I still like the first one best by far. It has this interseting "MV meets RC" thing going for it, like Armageddon crossed with Batman Begins. And those awesome power anthems..."Arrival to Earth", man. That's Transformers for me. I wish those themes had been used more consistently throughout the series.
After that I'd go 3, 2, 4. I'm not a huge fan of that "Balfishness" you're talking about from the second, to be honest, but I do like the choral/vocal stuff.
Why you dissing JT? :(
The influence of A&D is big on TF2... But I really like those themes, The Fallen, the new Prime theme... Lorne's action cues are great, like "Autobots On The Move" or "Simmons' Moment"... And on the first score as well...
Because I realize I don't like his much in the end. It was a good combo on Tron, toying with Daft Punk's loop electro trademark... But since then, it's just the same every time. When it comes to underscore I think he brings nothing. Oblivion has 4 great tracks (StarWaves, Earth 2077, I'm Sending You Away, Fearful Odds), but the rest is just a boring Tron ripoff.
And bringing him on the TF saga to do what, more of the same ? Come on...
Jeez I can't type today, his music I meant of course... lol
Funny, Hybrid, those tracks you mention from Oblivion are almost exactly my favorites from that score. Except I'd add Waking Up (even though it's basically a Dark Knight rip) and the score's best action track Canyon Battle. Oblivion works for me as a guilty pleasure but yeah, it's a little suspiciously close to Tron in too many places, and the underscore gets really dull on the deluxe edition.
Then again, between Tron ripoffs and Inception ripoffs, I know which I'd rather listen to... :p
Edmund and Hybrid, it's funny to see we like the exact same tracks from Oblivion. The 4 Hybrid mentionned are my favorite ones, then the 2 from Edmund. And I just don't listen to the rest, except some nice (but short) soft piano parts.
But I still think Oblivion's score works extremely well in the movie as a whole. It does marvels with Kosinski's classy visual style, and I think it's a really good collaboration.
The making of on the Blu-ray of TF4 are just awesome. Among them, there's a little interview with Steve Jablonsky. Apparently, the Dinobots tune wasn't supposed to be in that sequence, it was Bay's idea and it sounded so well that they decided to keep it!
I see it, i glad for that!
Great decision! Did they mention where was it gonna be before Bay changed it's place?
Everan, he said he just wrote a "very simple piece", without knowing where to put it, and then Bay took it and tried to play it with the Dinobot charge. When they saw how awesome it sounded, Jablonsky started to work around that idea, and it gave what we know as "Dinobot Charge". So I think the cue itself has been written for the scene, but not the theme/main idea.
Curious question... is "Optimus Comes To Humans Defense" known as the OST track "Cemetery Wind" ?
Yep... You wanna know how I do my analysis ? Okay, let's show it :
DECISION => NOT IN BOOT BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED =>1M07 NO FINANCIAL AID + 1M14 NON DATING HOUSEHOLD I'M AN AUTOBOT => 1M11-12 RATCHET KILLED OPTIMUS IS ALIVE => 2M18B OPTIMUS PRIME LIVES CEMETERY WIND => 2M20 OPTIMUS COMES TO HUMANS DEFENSE (ALT) HIS NAME IS SHANE AND HE DRIVES => 2M21A HIS NAME (ALT) + 2M21B PT 1 CAR CHASE + 2M21B PT 2 CAR CHASE HACKING THE DRONE => 3M24 CADE TAKES MATTERS INTO HIS OWN HANDS TRANSFORMIUM => 3M28 TRANSFORMIUM (LONGER ON OST) GALVATRON IS ONLINE => 4M46B GALVATRON (ALT) + 4M46D GALVATRON CHASES OPTIMUS (EDITED) YOUR CREATORS WANT YOU BACK => 4M48A LOCKDOWN (EDITED) + 4M48B TESSA TAKEN THE FINAL KNIGHT => 4M49A THE KNIGHTSHIP + ?? PUNCH HOLD SLIDE REPEAT => 5M54 FIGHTER CHASE THE PRESENCE OF MEGATRON => 5M56A PRESENCE OF MEGATRON (EDITED) GALVATRON IS ACTIVE => 5M57 GALVATRON ACTIVATES PROTOTYPES HAVE FAITH PRIME => 5M58 CADE TALKS TO OPTIMUS HONG KONG CHASE => 5M59 HONG KONG MOTORCYCLE CHASE (EDITED) THE LEGEND EXISTS => NOT IN BOOT DINOBOTS CHARGE => 6M67 DINOS (SLIGHTLY LONGER ON OST) THAT'S A BIG MAGNET => 7M69B KNIGHTSHIP COMES INTO HK (CUT) + 7M69C THE MAGNET (EDITED) DRIVE BACKWARDS => 7M70A DRIVING BACKWARDS (LONGER ON OST) HONOR TO THE END => 7M71A CADE SENDS TESSA + 7M71 LOCKDOWN SURFS (EDITED) + 7M71C CADE CHARGE + 7M71D END FIGHT WITH LOCKDOWN (EDITED, NO VOX) LEAVE PLANET EARTH ALONE => 7M73A WE DON'T HAVE A HOME + 7M73B LEAVE PLANET EARTH ALONE (CUT) THE KNIGHT SHIP => NOT IN BOOT HUNTED => NOT IN BOOT TESSA => NOT IN BOOT AUTOBOTS REUNITE => DEMO, NOT IN BOOT LOCKDOWN => NOT IN BOOT
Brilliant deduction, Soldier. I'm impressed at your analysis.
Seems legit! Now are any other credits known, Hybrid?
And yes T-Mann, "Optimus Comes to Humans Defense" is "Cemetery Wind" off the OST, only it's the film mix!
I have no idea if they're correct or not, but the FYC site files do list several names under "Composer" on many of the tracks. Not just Jablonsky...
And before any stupid yells "but ? but ? but ?" I simply use all the material I can, in this case FYC & OSTs...
Zimmer was in on this one again, huh. I shouldn't even be surprised. :p
Also, the Imagine Dragons credits...were they really involved with those cues compositionally? Beyond just providing vocals?
Hans just co-wrote the song... I only credit him when it's used somehow...
So...really the only credits here are the Joseph Trapanese ones. ;)
Well from his website, and a bunch of Jab ones, but not much detailed yet... Should appear wider at BMI soon... I know Fleming, Trapanese & Shea at least are getting some royalties... Which is quite rare with Jab scores lol...
Also, I'm kind of surprised "Transformium" isn't Trapanese. That cue sounds straight out of Tron or Oblivion.
finally putting that fan cover to good use! It's awesome!
If I were in charge of this website I'd have professionally made covers put up. This one is shoddy
Mind-freaking-blown! I salute ya, Soldier!
Is this a joke? I mean come on, what is this, one more: hey-lets-release-yet-another-expanded-score-so-all-the-sucke r-fans-will-spend-even-more-money. This is getting ridiculous, why do they keep screwing the fans like this?
It's pointless to become a Negative Nancy, my friend.
No one is selling anything, JLR... How about you calm down.
So even the demos and Alternates are on the OSTs?
No. But even if you wanted to, you couldn't buy this now.
As I said it's all available material... First thing people, always compare OSTs & bootlegs first, there's usually a lot of content in the OST not in the boot, surprisingly...
For instance "The Legend Exists" was not on the FYC... ;)
Yep, he's right. This is how I have my edit arranged and it's real nice.
@Thejok3rrules: so what are you saying, they're GIVING it away then? That's unlikely which means they are selling it right? By the way, I'm perfectly calm, just unhappy that these artists / record companies keep re-releasing soubdtracks by adding more stuff each time like most normal people would be. Here's an idea, how about just releasing ALL of the score the first time around? See we what a calm and rational thought that is?
Yes, they are giving it away. It's currently available to listen to for free on Paramounts FYC website. Please do some research, particularly on this site, before kicking off about a non-existant issue.
@Poe, what nonexistent issue would that be? You mean the "nonexistent" issue where they are releasing the "Interstellar" score in multiple releases, each having a few more songs than the least release? Is that the nonexistent issue you were referring to? When I saw this expanded score listed for Transformers, why would I think anything different?
As I said, if you'd just done some research here it would all make sense. For one, this very page has this release listed as an "Unofficial Release" right up the top, so we know it's not a forthcoming special edition from a record company. Second of all Hybrid explains that it's a combination from the FYC files and the soundtracks.
Having said that, your statement about wishing record companies just giving us the full score first time round I sympathize with entirely. It's not that simple though, and sadly unless things change, I think all we'll ever get are "highlights" albums. Heck, even limited editions from La La Land and the like still have their faults from time to time.
Well the "complete" for a Transformers movie would be impossible to release (not immediatly at least), it's a union recorded score, which means you have to pay re use fees for each 15 min of music... lol