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Right. The difference between Zimmer and many other composers (for me at least) is that you can almost immediately tell if you like a Zimmer score off the bat. DMTNT is something that needs a few listens to grow on you, and so far I'm liking what I hear.<br><br>When I heard Fantastic Beasts for the first time I was initially disappointed but after about 3 listens and hearing it in context it became my favorite score of the year. Everyone is different of course, but I feel like this score will grow on people with time.Well... as you say, Zanelli's tunes tend to be less streamlined. You can hear it in his themes for Into the West, The Pacific, Outlander (the movie) and even the Spaniards themes in OST. <br><br>Not to say Zimmer's aren't great in their own merit, but are not always the same exact approach.For everyone complaining about the mix of this album don't forget, nothing beats Curse of the Black Pearl in terms of an awful recording mix. When you have a 'synthy' sounding orchestra and bass gain distortions that actually make it to album this really isn't anything in comparison.<br><br>And I think the key difference between Zimmer and Zanelli (at least on this franchises' terms) is that most of the themes Zimmer wrote for the franchise (Davy Jones, Beckett, Kraken, pretty much all of the original tunes from the 1st one, etc.) were actually incredibly simplistic. Geoff's tunes are less streamlined. They aren't bad by any means, but it's telling when the strongest parts are the reprises of things like Hoist the Colours and Marry Me."How did they manage to make a 100 piece orchestra sound like a demo for an off the shelf sample library?"<br><br>MV/RC has existed for over two decades now and you're actually still surprised at this? XDfinal veredict?
Oh dear . Where is the theme ?Comes across very likeable and enthusiastic.Now I'm even more excited!I'm on track 9 at the moment. Nothing especially memorable so far, but I do love the return of the Love Theme and Hoist the Colors.<br><br>Salazar's theme isn't as bad as I thought it would be, but it does seem to get repetative quickly. Hopefully the score isn't as blatantly bad on-screen as OST was. That film and score was a mess.Cool insight on POTC 5 !
Now that the album is out there I can easily say that I love this score. Definitely my 2nd favorite behind MoS. <br><br>Musically, much of it has that "Last Samurai/Transformers" power anthem style (with one of the themes sounding like King Arthur) but with RGW's string writing style as opposed to the bass heavy approach of those scores. The WW cello theme isn't used a whole lot, but when it gets some screen time it feels earned, and steals the show. The villain material is the weakest part, but instrumentally is pretty cool with the incorporation of the cimbalom (it reminds me slightly of Sherlock at points)<br><br>Overall, easily one of the best scores so far this year.Hans has not done this one because he was working on dunkirk at the time as far as I know. I saw the movie last night and for sure things like "What shall we die for", "One day", "Jack Sparrow", the legendary "He's a pirate" or even the bit of the musical clock/bell theme from davy jones and Calypso at the VERY end of the film are things that Hans wrote of course. In the movie itself you hear this stuff very often especially in the first hour of the movie which is packed with old themes. But Geoff Zanelli still wrote the other 60%/65% of the music so I can imagine that Hans said that they can give it to Zanelli because even if most of the themes are from Hans, he was most likely not heavily involved at the writing and scoring process. He was most likely there at the beginning of the process like Zanelli said in an interview and made sure that this story needed things like one day or the medallion calls. And he is not credited because of the fact that he was doing dunkirk and for sure his live tour and so he was like mentioned before only there at the beginning of the process and wrote/refined the new versions of one day or he's a pirate if he did anything. But i thought as well that they could have mentioned him in the credits like they mentioned Zanelly or even Steve Jablonsky in the credits of the first one or John Williams at Rogue One.I missed that, sorry! I agree with your other comment.<br><br>Jackman's contribution to the 2nd half of love suite, his rollicking orchestral mayhem in "I don't know if now is the best time" provide plenty of evidence of him imposing his style effectively on the material. <br>"Going back to ground 0" doesn't mean "make a poor movie".<br>I would like more Pirates movies, but not if they make them as bad as the 4th and 5th ones. They could have written an original story (I'm sure there are good writers out there who could have found something fresh) and started a new adventure just like the 2nd and 3rd movies did. It's not impossible.<br>But rather they just tried to remake the 1st movie. If they did it for the 5th one, why do you think they wouldn't do it for the 6th one? Judging by the post-credit scene, they are clearly not afraid of ripping off the previous movies even more... :-DHi Hans!<br><br>Your scores helped me pass through difficult times, in life.<br>Never heard music that touches me so deep inside.<br>Thanks - to you and your Team - and go on like this.<br>When do you come to Germany with your Team (live in concert)?<br><br>If you like to answer: atlantis42195@gmail.com<br>------------------------------------------<br>Hallo Hans!<br><br>Ein dickes Lob an Sie und Ihr Team.<br>Ihre Musik half mir, durch schwere Zeiten im Leben zu kommen.<br>Nie zuvor kannte ich Musik, welche mich derart berührt.<br>Wann kommen Sie wieder nach Deutschland, mit Ihrem Team?<br><br>Weiter so und beste Grüße, aus Düsseldorf!<br>Falls Sie antworten möchten:atlantis42195@gmail.com<br><br>Jill W.<br>
Yeah... I know what you mean...<br><br>First of all, I want this movie to be a fun ride. I cannot ask of it what I would ask of a Nolan production, for once. But I know I cannot ask of this movie what I would ask of a 2nd or a 3rd part. I say this because since DMTNT begins production they (producers) hinted it was the BEGINNING of a new adventure, So they had to go back to "ground 0". And is not too difficult to guess that they'd try the Star Wars formula; POTC 5 is basically Force Awakens in its intentions at the least.<br><br>So what really put me off is the fact that all this hate will only cause to not greenlit more adventures :( , because, well.. apparently audience doesn't want this dessert anymore.If that cheesy ending was "so so cool", it's just because it's a powerful reminder of how beautiful the 3rd movie was. And even more so in comparison to this dreadful 5th outing.Yeah I made a shitty suite ! :( :( :( lolLots of people complaining about the film and the score, makes me a little bit irritated. Of course this was never gonna reach the level of the first films. It never will be, it's been 10 years. I am a hugh fan of these films and after watching the new film I felt so good. That cheesy ending was actually so so cool. The movie wasn't perfect put they did some good things in it. I haven't heard this album yet but I listened to the samples and everything I wanted on this album, I did hear those parts in the samples. Afterwards I was humming that new adventure theme all day, even how unoriginal it is. It's cool and Carina's theme is a great new addition. This score is much than On Stranger Tides maybe think about that. Let this score grow on you. Most people now base their opinion on just this suite. Honestly ? It doens't reflect the score that well.I have yet to listen to the score, and I will after see the movie because I want to experience it on the movie itself first.<br><br>But if you read the very insightful interview with Zanelli for filmmusicamg, he talks about the "differences" between composers at RCP, and when Zimmer liked something of Zenelli its because, in Zimmer's words "it sounds so Geoff" (I think he was racalling it about Tia Dalma's theme and the tribal island music from DMC). So I think is kind of unfair to expect Geoff's music to sound very Zimmer's, realistically speaking. <br><br>I've been listening Zanelli's scores a few years now, and I think I Identify his style and his type os themes, which are not like Zimmer`s at all (talking about notes specifically)... so based on his scores I expect this to be a very Geoff Zanelli score leaning to POTC style and just a little of Zimmer.<br><br>You can see the differences in the OST album, just listen on what Zimmer composed and the listen the Spaniard's theme, which is by Zanelli.
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Kingsman - The Secret Service
Label: La-La Land Records
Length: 58'32
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  1. Manners Maketh Man (1:38)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson, Dominic Lewis
  2. The Medallion (2:14)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson, Dominic Lewis
  3. Valentine (2:25)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson, Dominic Lewis
  4. To Become A Kingsman (4:19)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson
  5. Pick A Puppy (2:13)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson
  6. Drinks With Valentine (2:40)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson
  7. Skydiving (3:37)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson, Dominic Lewis
  8. Shame We Had To Grow Up (1:56)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson, Dominic Lewis
  9. Kentucky Christians (2:37)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson
  10. Curious Scars And Implants (3:09)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson
  11. Toast To A Kingsman (1:56)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson, Dominic Lewis
  12. An 1815 Napoleonic Brandy (4:23)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson, Dominic Lewis
  13. Eat, Drink, And Paaaaarty (1:54)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson
  14. Calculated Infiltration (7:54)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson
  15. Out Of Options (1:48)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson
  16. Hand On The Machine (2:22)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson
  17. Finale (3:56)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson, Dominic Lewis
  18. Original Valentine Ideas (Demo Suite) (6:25)
    Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson

    DIGITAL BONUS TRACK SINGLE
  19. Pomp And Circumstance (1:05)
    Edward Elgar, Henry Jackman, Matthew Margeson
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GB-fan reply Replies: 0 || 2015-09-07 15:26:04
Anybody knows anything about Henry Jackman scoring the new Ghostbusters movie next year?

FunnyML reply Replies: 0 || 2015-05-20 20:26:03
Chronological order:
02 - The Medallion
03 - Valentine
01 - Manners Maketh Man
04 - To Become A Kingsman
05 - Pick A Puppy
07 - Skydiving
06 - Drinks With Valentine
08 - Shame We Had To Grow Up
09 - Kentucky Christians
10 - Curious Scars And Implants
11 - Toast To A Kingsman
12 - An 1815 Napoleonic Brandy
13 - Eat, Drink, And Paaaaarty
14 - Calculated Infiltration
15 - Out Of Options
Pomp And Cicumstance
16 - Hand On The Machine
17 - Finale
(18) - Original Valentine Ideas

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 2 || 2015-04-18 20:14:41
Little "who did what" from the cuesheet... :)


Edmund Meinerts2015-04-18 22:14:49
Thanks! A shame it doesn't clarify the nature of Jackman and Margeson's collaboration better, but it's nice to know what Dom Lewis did at any rate. He's a really good composer, often seems to contribute to some of the best moments of whichever score he's working on at the time (Cap 2).


FunnyML2015-05-20 20:19:10
Did you use actual cuesheets or infos from the ASCAP database?

Felix reply Replies: 0 || 2015-03-12 23:00:54
WOW the movie is fucking good!! And the score....wow, I can't take this in words what I feel about it :D

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2015-02-26 19:06:39
One thing that puzzles me about this score is that, on album, in many areas it sounds as if we were given the synth mock ups for the score, rather than the recorded cues.


Edmund Meinerts2015-02-26 19:22:40
Yes, well, I thought that about the entire Man of Steel score...

KT Koskela reply Replies: 9 || 2015-02-05 02:29:37
Now THIS is the score "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" should've been.


Hybrid Soldier2015-02-05 12:52:05
No way !

CATWS is one of my 2 fav' scores from 2014, it shouldn't have been any different !!


Ds2015-02-05 14:55:22
Hybrid, did someone hack your computer??


Edmund Meinerts2015-02-05 15:07:32
I certainly hope so. *shudders*

Anyways, yeah, this score sounds fun from what I've heard of it, but the style is all wrong for Winter Soldier. Not saying that score is good - it's dreadful for the most part - but this cool Bond/RC hybrid sound wouldn't have worked at all in that movie.


meta2015-02-05 16:53:51
i agree. Cap 2 is one of my most listened to scores of 2014


KT Koskela2015-02-05 17:44:49
Edmund, what I meant by that was that Captain America: The Winter Soldier should've been an epic, heavily-orchestral, fun-filled awesomefest that this score is showing us right now.


Hybrid Soldier2015-02-05 17:54:27
Thanks meta, I've stopped counting how many times I've listened to it... :)


Ds2015-02-05 18:23:21
Hybrid, what do you find so good and enjoyable in this score? I've struggled to hear it once entirely, and during the movie it did me absolutely nothing, just a serviceable but random background music... So I never played it again.

I think TASM2 is way more enjoyable when it comes to fun electronic music for superheroes...


Hybrid Soldier2015-02-05 18:50:47
Well first of all I love the film, it's one of the best Marvels with Iron Man 1 & Thor 1...

When I first heard the OST I was like "Wait, what ??!", then I saw the film... :)

Then, as a kid from the 90s I love the constant influence of dance/electronica from the 90s on Jackman (in the Cap suite). Love the Cap main theme, and there's a great balance between pure orchestral madness by Dom Lewis & electro action by Margeson. The Winter Soldier I find the theme pretty impressive with the character, and it's actually a "theme", not ambient, just great electronica (and Dom Lewis' voiced sampled lol). The film also has a big influence (no idea if it's direct, indirect or totally unwanted lol) from the Metal Gear Solid saga, and the Hydra theme (choir & all) has also an influence (coincidence ?) from some of HGW's cues from Metal Gear Solid 2 (which I love :)).

And those who wanted CA 2 to be "traditional", well I think there's quite enough of that in the score (check the amazing Dom Lewis End Credits arrangement of the main theme, John Williams' style lol).

There's nothing wrong I can say against this score. Then, it's my taste, works for me... That's all... :)


Edmund Meinerts2015-02-05 19:22:28
I really hope a complete score emerges for that one soon. There seemed to be a lot more good stuff in the film than made the album, which was apparently designed to showcase as much of the unappealing music as humanly possible. I feel like I can't really fairly judge the score yet.

However - SPOILERS - I think the Winter Soldier theme is terrible. Besides making me want to claw my ears off for the most part, it's a totally inappropriate "Why So Serious?" wannabe forced onto a completely different character. The Winter Soldier isn't an agent of chaos, he's a good person who's been mutilated into a weapon for evil, and the theme seems to only acknowledge that latter half of his character. The mid-credits stinger in particular was ridiculously mis-scored - that was a moment of Bucky regaining his humanity, why did they layer that Godawful screech over it?!?

The new theme is OK, but unnecessary. Silvestri's - twisted into darker, less WWII-ish variations, of course - would have done a much better job. The rest of the score on album is third-rate by-the-numbers RC action and suspense that could have been in anything. Some of it, eg "Fury", represents pretty much the worst that RC can get IMO.

What's frustrating about this score is that at times you can clearly hear Jackman's talent peeking out and when it's in its good moments, it's really quite good. It's just that when it's in its bad moments, it's really, REALLY bad, and there's way more bad moments than good moments on that album. Like I said, I'd love to hear a complete for this one.

Macarenox reply Replies: 2 || 2015-01-25 14:21:16
The composer for Uncharted 4 has been confirmed as Henry Jackman!


KT Koskela2015-01-26 03:29:31
I know!


trent easton navarro2015-02-05 14:38:56
That's a shame! I loved Greg Edmonson scores for the previous three

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2015-02-04 18:31:36
Great score really, take a listen I added a couple of tracks ! :)

Macarenox reply Replies: 0 || 2015-01-22 16:42:36
I think the album will be as good as that of kick ass

KT Koskela reply Replies: 0 || 2015-01-21 20:22:59
Details have been announced on FilmMusicReporter!

Saurabh reply Replies: 0 || 2015-01-16 10:04:49
Loved the theme played in the bar fight clip.Strongly reminiscent of Barry's Bond scores.

Felix reply Replies: 0 || 2015-01-15 19:33:39
This gonna be cool!!

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 1 || 2014-11-27 23:33:49
This should be interesting ! :)


Ds2014-11-28 00:03:07
Yeah I can't wait for this movie and score! Matt Vaughn is an incredible director, and the music in his movies has been consistently cool (Kick-Ass, what a crazy score...) so I think we're in for a fantastic ride!

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