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<br>"Listen to the 'scores' he composed. At best, marginal efforts in sound libraries, they are just utterly shitty."<br><br>Blackwood might want to have a word with you.Too many songs! But at least there is 15 tracks of score.<br><br>BTW, I don't think Djawadi is able just to do themes. His score in GoT Season 7 shows that he is able to do action tracks very well. Also, in GoT Season 6, he shows that he is able to have many themes and develop them in many different ways.Meta your comment is based on smoke...<br><br><br>Do you have any idea of what Hans & Elfman's relation is ? How many scores Danny mixed at Remote Control ? That when Hans was writing Batman Begins, Danny was in the next room and Hans invited him to check what he was doing ? How many people from RCP Elfman recruited to help him ?lol it's too funny the guy even spent the time of typing all this...<br><br>Some people apparently have very boring lives on this planet !These comments by “Balfe” are comical.god knows where such venom comes from . Maybe an ex employee probably.he was correct on one point .He is indeed a trailer composer.He just did the mission impossible trailer!!!
LOL. I guess this "Balfe" guy is one of those trolls from Stop RCP group.Many benevolent saviours explaining the error of our music tastes have surfaced recently, haven't they?Eh, Mr. Ellipsis, I have to take issue with your appeal to popularity. Justin Bieber sells millions of records. That doesn't make his music good. Last year's piece of crap pointless Beauty and the Beast remake made a frankly terrifying amount of money at the box office. Doesn't stop it being a piece of crap.Guys, I know a lot of you probably think I'm an overly critical snob, but next time you do, just remember this guy and realize how much worse I could be. :pBalfe is not a composer, but still he gets to compose dozens of films and shows every single year, wow. He must be doing something good if he is on of the most busiest composers out there, don´t you think? Or you want to tell me that every producer, director or whoever hires him is deaf? Do you know how many films had to be re-scored by Balfe in the past few years? <br><br>
Why you feed the troll?<br><br>Wrong.<br><br>1. Wallfish is a very fine composer, period. Hans is a synth guy.<br><br>2. If Hans wasn't concern about BR he wouldn't do it.<br><br>3. Slavery was abolished 150 years ago. Hans choose to did it and agreed to involve Wallfish.<br><br>4. Maybe true, but it wasn't the thought of Villeneuve.here we go again:<br>Why Hans Zimmer Got The Job You Wanted (And You Didn’t)<br>https://behindtheaudio.com/2013/07/hans-zimmer/Hey you guys.<br><br>Balfe is a trailer composer not someone who composes real scores. He helps Hans out on his projects and occasionally may have a good idea. He is not an artist, simple as that.<br><br>Listen to the 'scores' he composed. At best, marginal efforts in sound libraries, they are just utterly shitty. The epitome of that is Terminator Genisys that even fans of the franchise found embarassing (and that is for a series based on synth scores). The samples are especially abhorrent<br><br>How he climbed to compose music for real films is a mystery. Go back to one of his earliest scores, the 2009 'score' for Ironclad, to find how utterly disappointing his work has been all the way throughout his career.<br><br>Balfe is a hack. He will never be considered a real composer. The industry knows Hans is pushing him and once that attention goes somewhere else, as it does with Hans frequently, Balfe will be immediately forgotten. Tell me - who actually wants a Lorne Balfe score for their film!!<br><br>You rapid fans supporting his work will be laughed at as being idiotic symbiotic followers. Get a fragging grip.<br><br>Balfe is not a composer. <br><br><br>This score is probably the largest failure of Zimmer's career - these would have been his objectives - think about it:<br><br>1. Enhancing the work of Vangelis for a project he has always admired.<br>2. The chance to work with an absolutely open palette of sounds<br>3. The opportunity to truly reinvent not only film music but MUSIC.<br>4. Ability to work with Denis Villeneuve, a man who gets scores nominated for the fact that they are innovative.<br><br>How did Hans fail here?<br><br>1. Wallfisch, a very fine composer is not a synth guy.<br><br>2. Hans does not give a shit anymore, seriously.<br><br>3. An imposed composer on a passion project rarely works<br><br>4. Johannson's work on Arrival is so beyond Zimmer's abilities that he had to go secure.
This score is probably the largest failure of Zimmer's career - these would have been his objectives - think about it:<br><br>1. Enhancing the work of Vangelis for a project he has always admired.<br>2. The chance to work with an absolutely open palette of sounds<br>3. The opportunity to truly reinvent not only film music but MUSIC.<br>4. Ability to work with Denis Villeneuve, a man who gets scores nominated for the fact that they are innovative.<br><br>How did Hans fail here? <br><br>1. Wallfisch, a very fine composer is not a synth guy. <br><br>2. Hans does not give a shit anymore, seriously.<br><br>3. An imposed composer on a passion project rarely works<br><br>4. Johannson's work on Arrival is so beyond Zimmer's abilities that he had to go secure. <br><br><br>Dunkirk is a sound experiment and not a score. It is rather sad to see a fine composer like Benjamin Wallfisch deal with this nationalistic nonsense.It would be very interesting to get a better sense of what exactly Zanelli's role in the franchise is. He is a very capable composer but his work on 5 was utter scheisse. But that may just be what the franchise calls for. How does the supposedly precarious Hans put his name on all this shit.I would not be surprised if this was done by Balfe finally trying out his real compositional skills outside of him just acting as Hans' copy assistant. Everything that Balfe has done on his own to date is abysmal (okay The Lego Batman movie had some flair but that was probably done by the next generation of assistants). <br><br>Please go back to Ironclad and listen to Balfe before he was HBalfe, to hear his skills. Not very good, right? The man is an arranger not a composer.<br><br>This score will be utterly crap or it will sound like Tron and Transformers. <br><br>Shame as Del Toro and Steven Knight work with real composers like Max Richter who would have excelled here.Instead of concerning ourselves with Sia, we have to be worried about Djawadi. The man has a knick for a simple tv tune. But anything outside of that sounds like a youtube fanvideo. The incidental score for Game of Thrones, especially the wall scenes, is terrible and amateurish. <br><br>All I can think is that the producers must have been pressed with time and had to go with the casio synth nonsense Djawadi presented them with. It is the worst example of scoring for a major franchise. <br><br>Again, Dwajadi does well with his choral bits but he is not a composer, more a theme tune man. Who Wants to be a Millionare would serve him better than a complex franchise. <br><br>Simultaneously, the Paint it Black material from Westworld is outstanding. But was this done by Djawadi or a much more talented orchestrator - can we look into this as it sounds nothing like his work
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Man Of Steel (Complete Score)
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  1. Krypton (2:58)
  2. Zod Disbands Council (3:27)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  3. The Codex (3:35)
    Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
  4. Goodbyes - Launch Preparation (2:02)
  5. Surender The Codex (1:20)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  6. The Launch (2:36)
  7. Zod Is Captured (3:15)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  8. Krypton Destroyed - Kal To Earth (1:58)
  9. Oil Rig Rescue (1:55)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  10. Young Clark Freaks (2:49)
    Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
  11. Bus Rescue (Part 1) (0:42)
  12. Bus Rescue (Part 2) (1:01)
  13. I Just Wanted To Help (3:47)
  14. On The Road Again - Meet Lois (1:32)
  15. The Anomaly (0:47)
  16. The Scout Ship (5:16)
  17. The Scout Ship Takes Off (1:31)
  18. Who Are You? (3:47)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  19. First Flight (4:15)
  20. Lois Investigates (1:28)
  21. The Tornado (2:53)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  22. Homecoming (2:33)
  23. UFO - You Are Not Alone (4:15)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  24. Lois Arrested (0:43)
  25. Who Is This Kal Person? (1:16)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  26. What's On Your Mind? (2:31)
  27. Alien Ship Arrives (1:35)
  28. Surrender To Faora (0:57)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  29. Lois & Superman Brought Before Zod (1:30)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  30. Zod's Story (Part 1) (2:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  31. Zod's Story (Part 2) (1:31)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  32. Alien Ships Head To Kansas (2:15)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  33. Escape From Ship (4:24)
    Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
  34. Superman Rescues Mother - Smallville Duel (10:10)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  35. This Man Is Not Out Enemy (1:57)
  36. Release The World Engine (3:03)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  37. Terraforming (0:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  38. We Have A Plan - World Engine (9:48)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  39. We Did It (0:45)
  40. Destoy This Ship - Faora Attacks (4:22)
  41. Kiss (1:05)
  42. Final Confrontation (4:44)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  43. Battle Continues (4:02)
    Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
  44. Clark Kent, Reporter (5:26)
  45. Man Of Steel Suite (28:13)
    Hans Zimmer
  46. General Zod Suite (7:21)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  47. Clark Kent Suite (3:47)
    Hans Zimmer
  48. Action Drums Suite (3:38)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  49. Arcade Suite (7:25)
    Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL
  50. Earth Suite (6:13)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  51. First Flight (Alternate) (4:18)
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Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 1 || 2017-04-16 14:05:16
Added a couple of Mazzaro credits taken from his new website...


Anonymous2017-04-16 21:57:10
Nice! I see you've added them on the OST page too. The mystery is slowly becoming clearer.

kevin reply Replies: 1 || 2016-12-22 13:40:02
Can anyone tell me where i can purchase or get the complete score of man of steel like the one above


Anonymous2016-12-22 17:28:27
Hey, kevin. Nowhere you can purchase this complete score, as it's an unreleased bootleg, Google for it.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 3 || 2016-11-12 22:09:09
Has anyone else noticed that the last 2 minutes of the Zod suite sound very similar to the last 2 minutes of "We Are Now the Gods" from The Last Airbender?


Edmund Meinerts2016-11-13 15:17:20
Can't really say I agree.


mpolonest123 2016-11-13 17:34:48
Perhaps it's just me, the chords and tempo sounded close enough although the structure is different.


CWMChapman2016-11-15 00:43:27
Yeah I can hear a slight similarity, very interesting.

Cap reply Replies: 4 || 2016-10-17 13:38:32
Actually thought all the BvS cues were unreleased but appears Wreckage and The Desert are the only ones.


Bro2016-10-19 22:11:48
He's also pitched the audio down by approx 10% using a program like audacity, which cannot be reversed without severe defects/distortion/artifacts in the audio. Which kills it for me.


Ahmad2016-10-19 23:36:24
To me the only unreleased cue is "Wreckage"! The rest were actually released. "The Desert" is just edited "Blood Of My Blood", "Post Apocalypse" is "Must There Be A Superman?", "Thug Fight" is "Fight Night", "Underground Torture" is an edited part of "New Rules". In case anyone didn't know that already.

Some of the cues I wish were released are:
Bruce checking the drive (Meta humans)
Bruce training
Variations of "Day Of The Dead" (when superman arrives at the capitol building, when he fights doomsday, the cue right after "Black and Blue" when he flight to go fight Lex, Supes statue vandalism)
Variations of Lex's theme (Lex Corp Helipad scene - choir parts)



mpolonest123 2016-10-20 00:51:28
Actually the first 30 or so seconds of Post Apocalypse are unreleased, although it's nothing substantial.


Everan2016-10-20 15:47:48
I think some tiny bits of Desert and Post Apocalypse are used in the extended cut, just to add those few seconds of cut content. Wreckage is definetely new, and the start of Post Apocalypse sounds a bit different in the film due to the World Engine sound effect.

Leo reply Replies: 5 || 2016-10-19 07:22:27
I recall Zimmer claiming he composed the final battle sequence between Superman and General Zod, yet here we are, with a co credit with Andrew Andrew Kawczynski and Junkie XL. Pretty interesting, but a tad issapointed. :P


Leo2016-10-19 07:24:21
*Andrew Kawczynsk
*Dissapointed.


Leo2016-10-19 07:24:48
*Kawczynski


Edmund Meinerts2016-10-19 09:52:32
*Disappointed

;)


Leo2016-10-19 11:53:29
Indeed. xD


Mike2016-10-19 15:18:17
*sigh* I don't mean to sound like a bitter curmudgeon, but here goes, for everybody... :)

Hans *did* compose the final battle sequence! The entire "If You Love These People" / "Battle Continues" cue is written 90% of the way in the MoS Sketchbook suite. Even the final product may be 98% Zimmer. We don't know what Andrew Kawcynski contributed, but it may or may not have been substantial. A

nd even if he made all the changes from the suite version to the cue version, we need to remember a point that has been made several times here: Hans co-writes most of the cues! So even if someone else contributed, *he* still wrote it, too. It's not like he just sits back while everyone else goes to work on things.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 11 || 2016-10-15 14:24:45
I added a bunch of Andrew K credits here...


Mike2016-10-15 17:26:16
So on OST this translates to "DNA," "Are You Listening, Clark?" and "If You Love These People." Nice! Does he have more or is this it for him?


Hybrid Soldier2016-10-15 18:03:57
I don't know but he now has a website and a soundcloud where he put a lot of stuff. Check it out !


Mike2016-10-15 18:39:15
What is "Desperation" from TASM2? Is that an unreleased cue or a suite? I love it!


Hybrid Soldier2016-10-15 19:00:04
A lot of music is rejected, unused or left behind on every film... But it's totally great yeah, as well as his variation on the Terminator Theme !!


The Trope2016-10-17 10:00:01
Hybrid, would you be able to post a link to Andrew Kawczynski's site? I just can't seem to find it.


Hybrid Soldier2016-10-17 10:09:52
Is everyone so clumsy on the internet ? Apparently so !

Just click on Andrew's profile here, there's a link to his site !

And I wonder what will happen when you will try to find the soundcloud link on that very site ! :O


Mike2016-10-17 15:12:31
Every composer on this site, click on them and find the "www." link. There ya go. :P


Gilvane Cezar2016-10-17 17:27:16
https://soundcloud.com/andrewkawczynski
:)


The Trope2016-10-19 02:31:43
Thank you so much.


Sanders 2016-10-19 06:16:20
Hybrid - will there be a score release for War On Everyone ? I heard a cue on Twitter and love it ???????


Hybrid Soldier2016-10-19 10:16:07
No there won't be... :/

Cap reply Replies: 3 || 2016-10-17 01:15:26
How is no one talking about the unreleased cues on Kawczynski's site?? BvS, Chappie, Spiderman 2!


Russel2016-10-17 02:51:20
Look below your post...lol


Bro2016-10-17 06:35:48
What's his website, it doesn't seem to appear on google at all.


Bro2016-10-17 06:57:01
found it, nevermind.

groy42 reply Replies: 0 || 2016-07-23 02:49:05
Can someone point me in the right direction so if I were to happen to listen to these tracks where could I find something like this?

desch reply Replies: 8 || 2015-03-09 10:28:32
Great, however "First Flight (Film Mix)" doesn't correspond the actual film version.

In the final part, the violin stem is missing. Instead of this we get the electric guitar. Is this another case of the "No-time-for-caution-problem"?


Hybrid Soldier2015-03-09 10:41:49
Yep, and all is here, the mix is just buried a little... Get over that kind of things, people... lol


Mortifer V.2015-03-09 11:59:17
It's not even close to being a NTFC problem.


Medigo2015-03-09 13:02:55
The violin stem is clearly there in the track
its just not easy to hear


Mike2015-03-09 14:23:10
Yeah, at this point, we just need to get over it. It's a much closer mix to the film version than the Flight track on CD, and it's much MUCH closer to its film counterpart than No Time for Caution was. The strings are definitely there, louder than on album. Be happy!


desch2015-03-09 15:14:29
Hybrid, thank you very much for clarification.

It's interesting though how this discussion leads to aggressive reactions. There's no need to be rude.

My comment was rather meant as indication, not to moan about differences between the versions.

I've listened to the film mix again and indeed the violin stem is there. I was just a bit confused because this stem is much louder in the actual film mix.

The term "No-time-for-caution-problematic" is to be unerstood in a general manner. I chose the Interstellar example to give this problem a name because it's the most known and most drastic example of differences between film and CD version.

Again, I have to apologize if my comment led to any inconveniences but there's no need to get aggressive and rude.

Now, let's get back to listen to some good MOS music ...


Anonymous2015-03-09 17:05:51
Inceptions 'dont think about elephants' is a much better NTFC case anyway, heh


Philip2015-03-09 18:08:08
Where in this First Flight "Film Mix" does this violin stem appear?


Anonymous2016-03-05 16:13:01
Old discussion and maybe this is too off-topic but one film-version cue that's even more troubling than NTFC for me is the Batman Chased cue... :P At least the core of NTFC is the same as the film version, they changed changed the organ emphasis. Same with the Flight alternate.

Scorefan reply Replies: 5 || 2015-03-10 23:13:27
Hybrid, one question will be available in the future the original 35 minutes hans sketchbook?


Hybrid Soldier2015-03-10 23:26:10
No idea, don't think so.


Mike2015-05-08 16:03:58
Hans said in one interview that it got "really boring" after a while. or something to that effect, which is why he cut it back. But the stuff not there is undoubtedly in one or more of the other tracks. That tends to be how "shortened suites" work.


mpolonest1232016-01-24 17:50:19
Wrong post, sorry


@Hybrid, any idea what the cut music was? If Hans thought it was "boring" maybe it just was ambient filler stuff....


Hybrid Soldier2016-01-24 17:51:03
Hasn't changed, I still have no idea... lol


mpolonest1232016-01-24 18:39:17
Hahaha gotcha!

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 1 || 2015-07-26 20:10:45
I couldn't stop loving and listening to the Man of Steel complete score!


mpolonest1232016-01-24 17:48:14
@Hybrid, any idea what the cut music was? If Hans thought it was "boring" maybe it just was ambient filler stuff....

Joshua reply Replies: 3 || 2015-08-20 18:17:51
@Hybrid, On twitter Eric Whitacre confirmed he was working on Hans Zimmer score for the next four months. That wouldn't happen to be for a certain super hero film would it?


Hybrid Soldier2015-08-20 18:29:13
Inferno.....


Joshua 2015-08-20 19:18:09
Cool, thank you sir.


Leo2015-08-21 03:37:54
HELL YES!

Duderino reply Replies: 2 || 2015-08-03 05:04:59
Hey there Hybrid.

How does one listen to this whole score?


Evenstar2015-08-04 00:16:03
With ears probably


Mr Tweedy2015-08-05 00:07:01
@Evenstar
Love your comment !

Mike reply Replies: 6 || 2015-04-04 17:37:18
So Atli worked on Launch Preparation (Goodbye My Son), eh? Funny, I guessed that all along. lol.


Hybrid Soldier2015-04-04 17:51:50
I didn't put it here for him.


Anonymous2015-04-04 17:54:06
haha fail comment


Hybrid Soldier2015-04-04 17:58:52
I put it for his sis' ! :P


Mike2015-04-04 18:04:33
Right... :P

Did she write her vocal part, then?


Hybrid Soldier2015-04-04 19:00:02
Nope it's to show her vocals on projects, that's all... :)


She's really nice, Hilda ! :)


Mike2015-04-04 20:03:51
You should do similar uploads for Lisa Gerrard, and maybe Dom Lewis for things like TASM2... :)

Dudu reply Replies: 3 || 2015-03-15 21:17:58
Hi Hybrid,
Since no one asked...why were you thanked in the booklet??And did you know your name would appear before the release? ;-)


Mike2015-03-15 21:47:51
You're right. I totally missed that one.


Hybrid Soldier2015-03-15 23:18:11
I wrote Zod's theme... I admit...


lol


No it was just for H-Z.com... ;)


Mike2015-03-15 23:19:20
Well, Hybrid, in that case, I hate to say it, but the Zod theme is my least favorite part of this score... :P

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 3 || 2015-03-12 14:34:18
Final Confrontation and Battle Continues are the mother of all third acts in film soundtracks.


Edmund Meinerts2015-03-12 15:04:05
"I Don't Think Now's the Best Time" and the motherfucking Mount Doom sequence beg to freaking differ.


RealFfingMusic2015-03-12 18:12:32
King of Pride Rock, Chevalier de Sangreal, WOrld's Fattest Fertiliser Salesman, God Save Us, Dumbledore's Farewell, It's Our Fight, Finale (Train Fight), Where We're Going, blah-la-blah-blah . . . each after his/her own taste. Hooray . . . zzzz.


Zimson2015-03-12 18:37:01
My music is better than yours!!!!111
However, I agree that those are the best parts of the score (together with Launch). Ffing Rocks!

ei18 reply Replies: 2 || 2015-03-10 21:41:09
What do the numbers mean in the track names for complete scores? For instance, "3m15b First Flight"? thanks!


Anonymous2015-03-10 21:48:01
Like the film themselves when they are delivered to theatres, the music comes on reels. the first number represents the reel the music is on. The m represents "music", or "cue". The next number represents what cue # it is. And "b" means it's the second parts of the cue. There was most likely an "a".

so 3m15b = reel 3, cue 15b


ei182015-03-10 21:50:56
Gotcha, thanks!

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 8 || 2015-03-08 15:25:43
Thanks Soldier. The complete film score of Man of Steel is ultimately the BEST I've ever listened to! Kudos to Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL, Andrew Kawczynski, and Steve Mazzaro!


Edmund Meinerts2015-03-08 18:05:07
Best ever...best....evvverr.............kkkkkrkrkr


Mike2015-03-08 18:15:52
lol...It's a good score IMO, but the fanboyism makes me laugh. :P


T-Mann0362015-03-08 20:35:00
After listening over 3 hours of the Man of Steel complete score, it's extremely difficult for me to find which track was the best. All of them are the best, IMHO, because it truly match the action and emotion directly from the film.


Edmund Meinerts2015-03-09 09:23:37
Yes, how revolutionary of Zimmer to write a score that matches the action and emotion of the film!


Edmund Meinerts2015-03-09 09:54:30
I apologize for being such an asshole.


T-Mann0362015-03-09 15:25:11
Apologies accepted.


Edmund Meinerts2015-03-10 09:58:28
I don't apologize for jack shit, because that wasn't me.


RealFfingMusic2015-03-10 12:01:13
Ah! the old namesake controversy.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 1 || 2015-03-08 14:06:08
I think Atli did Bus Rescue (Part 1), The Scout Ship, Faora Attacks... But I'll never know I guess... lol


T-Mann0362015-03-09 20:16:51
If your assumption is true, Soldier, you could be right. After listening to Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters and The Code (Complete Score), I have to say that Atli have done Hans' homework and given an A+.

Mike reply Replies: 20 || 2015-03-08 15:52:27
"Clark Kent suite" - is that "This is Clark Kent" off the album?


Hybrid Soldier2015-03-08 15:55:31
Yeah, we'll it's a just a part of the Sketchbook with alt percs at the end, probably to make it available on the 1 CD version of the OST, for those not getting the Sketchbook...


Mike2015-03-08 16:03:42
Also nice to have Escape From Ship, SFX-free. I find it interesting that not many people talk about the Earth Suite. It's quite nice, IMO.


Adam2015-03-08 17:04:31
Oh my God this was leaked!?!? Can't believe it!


Anonymous2015-03-08 18:23:13
Earth Suite is just Earth off the OST. Nothing new


Ds2015-03-08 18:46:17
Mike why are you laughing? Zimmer fanboyism is the most beautiful form of fanboyism and day after day I feel proud of being a fanboy of Hans :-D


Adam2015-03-08 18:51:21
Me too, Ds!! :D


Edmund Meinerts2015-03-08 19:18:48
Fanboyism is not something to be proud of. You can be a fan of somebody without blindly praising every score they put out and saying it's the greatest thing ever written (until, of course, the next one comes out). There's plenty of stuff by John Powell that I'll be the first to admit isn't that great (Fair Game...zzzzz) - doesn't stop me being a fan of his! Same with Hans. I'm really not trying to take the fun out of music or anything, but the tiniest amount of critical listening really does go a long way, IMO.


Edmund Meinerts2015-03-08 19:20:57
Also, Ds, I should say that I don't think YOU are a "fanboy" in the negative sense of the term. You're certainly enthusiastic about Hans but you also have actual things to say about the music beyond "OMG SO AWESOME BEST EVR" - that's really all I ask. :)


Marcos2015-03-08 20:00:49
is not Fanboyism, is just the fact that at last we got something we have been waiting for long long time. Besides is the same music of the album but expanded, there is not too much new to say about the score.


Edmund Meinerts2015-03-08 20:08:23
A person saying that this is the BEST score they had ever heard (based on one listen to the complete score) isn't fanboyism? I get that people are excited to have this...but come on.


Mike2015-03-08 20:12:12
Ds, what Edmund said. :) Trust me when I tell you I'm a huge fan of Zimmer. Most of my scores—heck, most of my music, maybe!—come from him, but as Edmund pointed out, it's good to appreciate someone's music AND be able to listen somewhat critically, beyond just "OMG GREATEST SCORE EVER".

I admit, "fanboy" tendencies come out in me from time to time (like when this score first came out...I thought it was the greatest thing). But largely due to commenters like Edmund, and much as I almost always disagree with it, sites like Filmtracks, I now approach scores with both an enthusiastic and a critical ear. I still like MoS a lot and listen to it often, for example, but I now also notice some of its faults more clearly than I did at first. :)


Marcos2015-03-08 20:19:19
well . . for me is really the best!, after the dark knight trilogy of course. :P . All Zimmer's works with Nolan (as producer in this case) curiosly are his best works, and i say this musically speaking


Adam2015-03-08 20:35:15
It is healthy to be able to criticize HZ because there's too many people who drool over all his works and say he's the best!! Does it count if I say Pirates 4 is horrible? :P


Mike2015-03-08 20:37:49
Eh, idk...doesn't EVERYONE agree about POTC4 being horrible? ;)


Marcos2015-03-08 20:44:20
I swear , i listened All Zimmer's works (released of course) , but i never listened even one album of Pirates of Caribbean, i don't know why . . is rare because i know that it's one of his most important works, but some of this does not appeal to me


Adam2015-03-08 21:10:00
That's why I asked if it counts about Pirates 4! :D

I may have to think of some other Zimmer scores that aren't great. Hmm this can take a while!


Ds2015-03-08 22:02:29
Well Edmund I think you are right. Even if in this case I ´m almost incapable of criticizing any Zimmer score. Even if some of his output surprised me in a bad way, I learned one lesson: Zimmer is a visionary and I have always ended up liking his music. Always. Maybe a few days or weeks or even months later. In other words I choose to trust his talent over my (limited) musical taste. The same applies to Thomas Bergersen as well, but that´s it.

But yeah I am also a bit tired of people screaming that every new score is his best ever. Everyone knows his best are King Arthur and At World´s End :-p


Medigo2015-03-08 22:16:37
Hans can hardly be blamed for how POC4 ended up


Mike2015-03-08 22:17:57
True. And Hans himself apologized that anyone had to listen to it (it does have good themes, where new music is concerned, too, so it's not all terrible).


Adam2015-03-08 22:27:32
I think of PotC4 as like a "best of" from the trilogy lol!

Ds reply Replies: 0 || 2015-03-08 15:10:03
If there was one complete score I was eagerly waiting for, it was definitely this one. So freaking amazing action music, Escape From Ship, Smallville Duel (10 minutes of violence!!), Final Confrontation... I'm delighted. What a week, thanks HZ!

Scott reply Replies: 0 || 2015-03-08 14:02:19
This is so much better than the album.

RealFfingMusic reply Replies: 2 || 2015-03-08 13:13:58
Does anybody (@Hybrid) know if there's any difference between "Terraforming" in OST and "38. We Have a Plan - World Engine"?


Hybrid Soldier2015-03-08 13:17:03
From what I remember the mix is slightly different. And well on OST the mastering is fucked up... lol


Anonymous2015-03-08 13:25:22
As usual we just had to wait for the "foot warmer" in order to get the presentation the score deserves - both in terms of content and, surprising, mastering. /rant.

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 0 || 2015-03-08 12:27:45
I guess this is as good a time as any to give this score a second chance. :)

Felix reply Replies: 0 || 2015-03-08 12:03:42
YES!!! We waited for this 2 Years and now I can't stop listening :D

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