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Tom is gonna score Mortal Engines<br>What kind of sound do you expect?He has a studio at RCP but mostly work from his own home studio. His business is "Sacred Tiger Music."<br>Does Henry actually work for HZ at RCP or does he have his own film score company now like HGW?Why filmtracks always behave very Aggressive about hans zimmer and always trys to make his scores worthless ??!! Its odd for meAw Hell...<br><br>I guess it never did freeze over.
Sorry, I should've been more specific. This is a comment I had originally posted on the Filmtracks forum, NOT from a Christian Clemmensen review. My bad.Referring to the previous comment (how did it not reply to the the previous message?)That's not the actual review. The length is a pretty big giveaway. Also, I'm fairly certain he's still given some RCP efforts some good scores.WOW....color me impressed at Filmtracks. I thought that site was anti-Zimmer in all aspects far, wide, near and dear.Copied from Filmtracks:<br><br>Excellent score - a little slow in the middle third*, but some really stirring fantasy-adventure elsewhere. "The Internet" is Cue of the Year material. Although it's odd how little synth there is here, particularly in the finale, where the orchestra seems to completely take over; this isn't too bad of a thing because Jackman's orchestral skills are downright breathtaking at times. The references to other Disney scores/musicals (yes, including Star Wars) left a big dumb grin on my face.<br><br>*I get the sense that this movie might be too long (1 hour and 52 minutes).
No you're not. I think Jackman has made some great score over the last through years.<br>And I think this is one of them. Both tracks with or without electronicsSo I guess I'm the only one who likes less-electronic-Henry?Henry has been removing electronics for 4 years now...Listen to<br><br>A Big Strong Man In Need Of Rescuing.<br><br>That whole track is a damn easter eggI haven't seen the movie yet but I like the score more with each listen. Not a classic Zimmer by any means but still an enjoyable listen at its short running time. Looking forward to the movie as well.
This is me or Henry Jackman removed the electronics this year it could be affect to the predator score because I was thinking about the predator score affect him to remove electronics and turned serious & dramatic. That's weird when Henry Jackman used a lot electronics & fun since 2009 to 2017 with his scores.The Henry Jackman I know died out after Civil War and Kingsman 2. After that you can hear faint fizzles of his electronic greatness, but nothing more. <br><br>But hey maybe he just doesn't wanna do that crap anymore...so..eh.Hard to believe this is a follow up to Wreck-It Ralph. Did he remove the electronics from this one too? Sounds too serious and at times dark and dramatic for a kid's movie score. Whatever happened to the fun?Imperial March and Luke's theme are in it!Widows is actually a pretty interesting score. Not one of Zimmer's best from for an isolated listening experience standpoint, but as a textual score, I was engaged for the most part. The score effectively builds momentum throughout from beginning to end and I could feel the movie just by listening to the music.
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CD1
  1. Beautiful Lie (3:47)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. Their War Here (4:34)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Steve Mazzaro
  3. The Red Capes Are Coming (Lex Luthor Theme) (3:31)
    Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch
  4. Day Of The Dead (4:01)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  5. Must There Be A Superman? (3:58)
    Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
  6. New Rules (4:02)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Steve Mazzaro, Andrew Kawczynski
  7. Do You Bleed? (4:36)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Andrew Kawczynski
  8. Problems Up Here (4:25)
    Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch
  9. Black And Blue (8:30)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Steve Mazzaro
  10. Tuesday (4:00)
    Hans Zimmer
  11. Is She With You? (Wonder Woman Theme) (5:46)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  12. This Is My World (6:23)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  13. Men Are Still Good (The Batman Suite) (14:03)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Andrew Kawczynski, Steve Mazzaro
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  1. Blood Of My Blood (4:25)
    Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
  2. Vigilante (3:53)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Andrew Kawczynski, Benjamin Wallfisch
  3. May I Help You, Mr. Wayne? (3:27)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, Benjamin Wallfisch
  4. They Were Hunters (2:45)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  5. Fight Night (4:20)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Andrew Kawczynski
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ThePhantasm reply Replies: 5 || 2018-10-11 07:54:34
i wonder when is Steve Mazzaro going to get his shot to compose something himself, i feel like the guy is very talented and hasn't gotten his chance. I kinda lowkey wished he did Aquaman, i don't know what the hype was for RGW WW score i thought it was underwhelming.


Edmund Meinerts2018-10-11 15:20:01
I reckon if he (or Andrew K) had ambitions to score big movies then Hans probably could have gotten him plenty of gigs by now. Maybe he's happy working the way he does. It took Lorne Balfe a few years before his solo career started really taking off as well...


bro2018-10-11 20:50:21
what do you think "The Boss Baby" was


Mephariel2018-10-11 22:07:03
The Boss Baby still has Zimmer's name attached to it. I am sure Mazzaro did a lot of it (if not, most of it), but has Mazzaro ever done anything that impressive within a collaborative score that is wholeheartedly his? I think the best cue in The Boss Baby is from Pope. The second best is probably the cues with the main theme, and I am not sure if he wrote that or Zimmer.


ThePhantasm 2018-10-11 23:17:13
Hopefully him and andrew K get their chance soon


bro2018-10-12 15:30:36
He did all of it

Anonymous reply Replies: 15 || 2018-10-07 16:45:58
Excuse me hybrid i have a question. I raed before that hans was hired junkie to score the batman themes because i felt it is kind of betray to christian bale batman and because he felt ben afflek batman wasnt interesting for him. But at the end hans score a lot of the batman music. Is it right ?
If it is right wonder woman theme most of batman and superman theme also lex leutor theme composed by hans. Is it true ?


Hybrid Soldier2018-10-07 16:58:25
Careful with interviews...

Hans trapped himself with this whole "I will let Tom do Batman" story and had to stick to it no matter what.

But very early in the process he had started writing a riff for Batman and wanted to see where Tom could bring this. Maybe he just didn't bring it anywhere. The Batman theme was done early on... We first heard it during Comic-con 2015 in the summer, and the score was recorded in august/september 2015, for a release in march 2016... So it wasn't exactly a "last minute rushed job"...


Anonymous2018-10-07 18:22:38
Thank you hybrid. It seems every musical project for hans is an oppurtumity for other RCP composers to collabrate with him and learn from him.


George2018-10-07 20:58:50
Not really related to discussion but itís nice to see some good conversation happening on this site again... I feel like itís been a bit dead for a little while.


Sideshow Bob2018-10-07 22:59:15
Pirates of the cairbean 1

One of the fast and the furious movies (6? 7? I dont know )

apparently transformers 5

BvS

Iíve heard whispers of tron legacy and guardians of the galaxy (I know not RCP but the point is that the house of mouse wasnít gonna let some guys (2 of them being French DJs whoíd never scored a film before, and the other whoíd mostly done thriller/horror/smaller films and not an MCU film) suddenly work on major films of theirs without having done work with them in the past.

Iím sure thereís more.


Hybrid Soldier2018-10-08 00:15:51
But I don't get your point with these particular scores ?

What's wrong with Tron Legacy ?

DP wrote parts of it, got credited, Trapanese wrote a lot of it, got credited...

TF5 like every TF movie Steve got help, but everyone got credited ?

POTC 1 Klaus was credited, didn't write as much as he was supposed to but everyone else got credited (even Hans in the cuesheet) ?

BvS everyone was credited for the cues they did ?

So, what are you trying to say ?


HunterTech2018-10-08 01:03:30
Wait, where is this TL information from? Because the most official statement that I've seen is Trapanese saying that DP did indeed write the whole thing, and that film credits only them as the sole composers. Is this some cuesheet we don't have, or another POTC1 situation where the real story isn't the official one? Because I've seen a lot of conflicting statements, and would like to hear some definitive word on it.


Anonymous2018-10-08 01:54:03
My point is RCP doesnít always credit the real composer. Hans Zimmer is not credited where credit is most due for Pirates ofthe Caribbean: right on the front cover. Regulars will tell you Klaus Badelt scored it. But Zimmer did the bulk did he not?

You totally dodged Fast and the Furious and guardians of the galaxy (again I know that one isnít RCP)

Where is everyone credited in TF5? Steve Jablonsky is listed on every single cue.

BvS yeah everyone got credited....which is my point. Junkie XL is listed as main composer right next to hans Zimmer. And he did 5 cues? Wtf? Everyone else did the bulk of the work. Seems a little messy.


bro2018-10-08 04:50:08
The co-composer credit in BvS was a deal between JXL and Hans, it was basically a thank-you for his previous work on Man Of Steel, where he actually did do a lot of serious work. He deserves the co-composer credit on that score instead.


superultramegaa2018-10-08 17:01:47
The Transformers credits situation is normal. With the exception of TF2 and TF4, there have always been little to no details regarding the credits. Either a problem with the production not releasing any details, or Steve himself.


Hybrid Soldier2018-10-08 18:51:21
Fast 6 is Vidal credited despite not writing the final score... He's not RCP, so... ?

The problem is a thing you tend to attach to "RCP" is actually just Hollywood industry...

Yes everyone is credited in the end credits for additional music or arrangements... There are 2 types of deals... People can get paid for the work they spend on a project and be credited in the film credits... Or they can not appear in the film credits but still get money from royalties (cuesheet), or both... The only problem is when they don't appear at all in either the credits or cuesheet... lol


Sideshow Bob2018-10-08 19:18:06
so if Lucas Vidal didnít write the final score who dunnit?


Prott2018-10-08 21:04:02
Haha, I think there's only one RCP composer that comes to mind when you need a last minute major hollywood motion picture rescore. :-)


Scorefan2018-10-09 00:37:22
Sideshow Bob. Ii was Lorne


uhhhh2018-10-09 04:26:01
Don't forget Zanelli rescored Secret Window, Hitman and Christopher Robin each in two or three weeks


Sideshow Bob2018-10-09 15:32:56
I actually like Philip Glassí cues better and was gz not the original composer for Hitman? I never heard this?

nvictor reply Replies: 9 || 2018-10-07 05:36:47
i feel bad for Junkie. he is a very talented film composer and has done music in that past that's not film. and whatever i or we said in the past about his contribution to BvS was wrong.

the more i listened to the two scores i have the more i wanted to learn about what he did. he, himself, seldom talks about it. i was so happy to learn he worked on Zod on MoS (my favorite bad guy theme forever). i even asked on his YT that he gives us a rundown if he could... but he is not interested.

this is so wrong whatever we fans did. i am so upset with myself for it...


Hybrid Soldier2018-10-07 09:20:44
Well he did a lot on MOS, and I probably was one of the firsts to insist on that.

But for BvS, I won't just lie for the sake of lying because he's co-credited composer. He didn't do much on it at all, end of story. I honestly don't know what happened, but that's it...


bro2018-10-07 11:42:30
Tom's contribution:

- The Tower Falls
- Branding
- Chase
- Hero Fight
- Men Are Still Good (end)
and sound design and perc/rhythm influence including work previously from MoS.


Honestly the real star of this score and Inferno is Steve Mazzaro, Andrew was great as well, but Steve has carried a few scores on his back lately


Hybrid Soldier2018-10-07 15:32:03
"Honestly the real star of this score and Inferno is Steve Mazzaro"

Mmmmmh... Love Steve, but who wrotes the themes for Batman, Bruce Wayne, new variation for Batman, Lex Luthor, Doomsday & Wonder Woman ? ;)


mpolonest123 2018-10-07 16:10:45
What seems strange to me is that Junkie and Zack Snyder seem to have a great working relationship, as evidenced by MOS and 300. He was even asked to do Justice League initially. So why did he end up only doing a handful of cues yet still get credited as co-composer?

The only two things I can think of is either scheduling issues (which Iím sure isnít the case if he was already signed onto BvS) or disagreements over the music he may have written. Especially since Hans ended up doing the bulk of the new Batman material. The whole thing is very strange to me, and Junkie seems to have taken credit for material he never had a hand in writing.


Sideshow Bob2018-10-07 16:42:23
Composers taking credit for cues theyíve never written is the bulk of RCP


mpolonest123 2018-10-07 16:48:20
Itís one thing to be credited on a cue based on a theme or idea being used. Or even in the case with Winterís Tale, where Hans had only written the main tune while RGW did the bulk of score, the interviews he gave were vague enough.

In Junkieís case he has fully come out and said he had a hand in WWís theme, where that doesnít seem to have been the case at all (at least going off of what was said here).


Hybrid Soldier2018-10-07 17:16:41
Bob, like what ?


Sideshow Bob2018-10-07 22:59:54
I replied to the wrong section but you will see my post


bro2018-10-08 04:47:32
Lol. Hans does his music diaries/suites but Steve and Andrew score the films most of the time now. So yeah Hans does the ground work, but his team really do a lot of work.

Steve helped bring the new batman theme to life with that fast string shorts trem-arp overlayed over the batman tracks, and Ow, my balls. He scored the vast majority of the cues in BvS.

Even more, it's interesting to see what Steve did with Inferno in 'the cistern', using existing material and creating an epic new spin of it.

Anonymous reply Replies: 4 || 2018-10-06 16:56:11
Hi. Beautiful lie is a theme for superman or batman ?


Hybrid Soldier2018-10-06 17:00:49
More like for Bruce Wayne's past !


Meta2018-10-06 17:22:05
Also Amazing Spiderman 2


nvictor2018-10-07 05:26:33
let's be honest Hybrid,

beautiful lie is a reprise of the variations Jablonsky did on the tears of the sun theme. i never owned that score but when people mentioned it i listened to it and they were right (listen to track 9 around 4.50m).

i believe it must have been a temp track and for all the hate temp tracks get, in this case it got the job done.

hands down my favorite melodic track on this score!


Hybrid Soldier2018-10-07 09:06:38
I doubt it was temp, more like "muscle memory" from Hans ! :)

And I always found that title for Tears, "Jablonsky Variations" to be so wrong because Jablonsky's part is actually 2 minutes from that whole track, and the big epic part that sounds like BvS is 100% HZ.

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2018-09-26 07:29:38
What is the name of the track that superman kills doomsday and superman death ?


Lejti2018-09-26 08:34:00
12. This Is My World (6:23)
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro

Anonymous reply Replies: 3 || 2018-02-01 12:20:55
Hello everyone , i am a bit confuse , who did the main theme of batman and superman ? Hans or junkie ?! Because hans said he would write only superman theme and batman theme will be write by junkie , but now i see the batman main theme ( a beautiful lie ) wrote by hans !! Would you please explain this . The most confusing matter is hans always co compose his own projects and then it is not clear how is behind the film music really !! Thank you my freinds .


yes2018-02-01 12:32:36
Hans said Junkie was going to do batman, but Hans ended up doing it himself. This is why you should say as little as possible about a project until it is done and delivered.


Lynk2018-02-01 16:30:32
Maybe Junkie did write something for Batman. Perhaps the reason we don't hear it is because it didn't work for the studio and Zimmer had to step in and save the day.


Olive2018-03-18 17:09:08
He did!

The action material in "Do You Bleed?" is by XL!

Nameless reply Replies: 4 || 2018-03-16 08:28:01
JXL (from facebook): "While I may have had a hand in writing themes for powerful heroines like Tris, Furiosa, Wonder Woman and Lara Croft, there's so much room for talented female composers!"
This page: Is She With You? (Wonder Woman Theme) (5:46)
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
WTF?


Ds2018-03-16 09:01:16
Officially, the whole BvS score is credited to HZ & JXL, so the theme is kind of "his" even if he didn't write it himself. Note that his formulation is very careful and leaves all interpretations open: "I may have had a hand" didn't mean he wrote it. It can simply mean that he gave Hans his opinion about it, or some piece of advice on the mix or the drum pattern for instance...


HunterTech2018-03-17 06:53:42
The Justice League listing of "Is She With You?" in the credits list the following people: Hans Zimmer, Bob Badami (as Robert Badami), Melissa Muik, Mark Wherry (as Mark Andrew Wherry) and Steve Mazzaro. No sign of Tom here either, so I'm definitely inclined to agree that he was asked his opinion on the theme to help shape it a bit.


HunterTech2018-03-17 06:58:04
Though considering their actual roles in the production of the score, it's likely that it was an obligation on WB's part to credit Bob, Melissa, and Mark in this instance.


Olive2018-03-17 23:06:24
Bob Badami (as Robert Badami), Melissa Muik, Mark Wherry (as Mark Andrew Wherry are music editors!

Booklet credits

Music Editor: Melissa Muik
Score Wrangler: Bob Badami
Digital Instrument Design: Mark Wherry

Balfe reply Replies: 20 || 2018-01-29 16:17:46

Are you numbnuts dumb? Is it not obvious that Warner Bros got fed up with the Junk and decided to go elsewhere?

They continue with Hans, of course, but Junk is, well, junk. A below-par DJ someone let into a house with great equipment. He molested that gear for a bit, coming up with good stuff on a ratio of 2/10 (Mad Max Theme, Dark Tower Theme) and utterly failing, on all fronts as a human composer on everything else.

He is literally one of the worst composers of all time - seriously, have a look at yourself if you support this guy - how much music have you listened to in the past? Like, 'actual' music, or even Zimmer music - if you have followed Zimmer from thr 1990s you would not support this master of nonsense.

Please prove me wrong.


Ds2018-01-29 19:59:19
They got fed up, sure, that's why they gave him the upcoming Tomb Raider reboot when he was delivered from Justice League.


olive2018-01-30 01:37:49
The man did not even do Justice League score, guy! He left unscathed, left because Snyder left ... Go to sleep peacefully listening to the score that Elfman made for his film.


Zimmer2018-01-30 05:30:51
Junkie developed a lot of impressive rhythmic motifs for several RCP scores and was hardly credited for it. Especially for MoS which he developed all of them, and a few themes and sub-themes. (Zod, Arcade, all percussion, world engine and other ambient and synth sound design)

Maybe he isn't a 'Master' of film music, but he only recently got his foot in the door.


Kingfannypack is the Milfcommander2018-01-30 07:14:18
Junkie's talent is certainly established. He helped Man of Steel become one of RCP's best epic soundtracks. It's an earworm I openly welcome.


meta2018-01-30 14:16:56
While I will admit some of his offerings have been pretty good - Man of Steel for example - his best is when he works with others, and definitely not scoring by himself.

Case in point - the only OST I have of him is Mad Max. Personally, I find that to be his high watermark. I dont know if its the sound of his synths, or what, but anything else he does I find lacking.

Like people have said - his percussion creation is good. NMaybe that's all he's good for, however....


mpolonest123 2018-01-30 14:25:46
What about Divergent, Black Mass, or Brimstone? Everyone always talks about his percs/synths, but always seem to forget that he does have a talent for string writing.


Ahmad2018-01-30 15:39:13
^ Seriously. Some people seem to ignore his other scores and try to paint the image that he only does bombastic synth/drums heavy scores. I seriously don't understand the hate.

Tris from Divergent
Liz & Genesis (this track is one of my favorite string compositions ever) from Brimstone
The main theme from Run All Night
The Dark Tower Theme


Scorefan2018-01-30 16:13:46
Tom is really really, a really good composer. His Arcade Theme from Man of Steel is the best and for me the new superman theme.


Ian2018-01-30 16:18:16
Ahmad - I tend to agree with the criticisms of Junkie (to be perfectly honest, I struggle to even think of him as a film composer), but in the interest of giving him a fair chance I'll listen to all of those pieces... and holy shit, Tris, albeit almost a song rather than a cue, is excellent! Thanks for posting dude.


Ian2018-01-30 16:29:52
Scorefan - wait, didn't Hans do the strings (in other words, the heart of the suite) for Arcade? I seem to recall comments to the effect that Junkie was only responsible for its percussion, sound design, and overall rhythm.


mpolonest123 2018-01-30 16:39:15
All of the criticisms of Tom are valid, but you have to consider he is still a fairly new film composer, and most of his projects have pigeonholed him into a certain sound (Mad Max, 300, Deadpool, etc.) I guarantee in 10 years he will definitely have found his voice as a composer and developed his sound.

@Ahmad Great list! If I had to add any:

Divergent:
Faction Before Blood
Capture the Flag
Sacrifice

Run All Night:
Sketchbook

The Dark Tower:
Roland of Eld

Black Mass:
Take Care Kid
John Connoly
Did You Ever See Whitey Bulger Murder Anyone?


JBSO992018-01-30 16:55:20
@mpolonest123 Thanks for adding Black Mass! I was going to do it because most people seem to forget that score and it has some great beautiful themes.


Ds2018-01-31 13:53:49
The end credits suite from Point Break is pretty awesome, up there with the best bits from Fury Road and Divergent! A huge wall of sound, an epic feel and very cool themes.


Meta2018-01-31 14:17:03
Ds - the only OTHER score I am fond of Junkie's is Point Break. The only problem is its never been released...Haven't got a clue why....But I would rank him as: Man of Steel, Mad Max, then Point Break....Rest are awful for me.


mpolonest123 2018-01-31 14:32:12
@DS Point Break is every action music cliche rolled into 10 minutes.... and I freaking love it!

As for the score not seeing a release, considering how awful the film was Iím not really surprised. Shame too, there are some badass cues in there.


meow meow puppy2018-01-31 14:55:39
Hey guys,

IMO Junkie is good, but I just don't "feel" his music. I think there are far more superior film composers.

What I would like is to make like 5 clones of HZ so he could stop collaborating with all these n00bs and start collaborating with ppl of real quality - himself :)


Ds2018-01-31 16:07:55
Well Junkie's heavy rythmic action music is a particular style but it's pretty damn awesome. And it's indeed the only style of his that I really really like. When he tries to be "emotional" or to write a proper theme I often find it a bit boring.


JBSO992018-01-31 17:25:34
I like when he goes more emotional, but I prefer his action scores (like Mad Max). Also, Point Break was a great action score (perfect for a running session), too bad it has not been released...


puppy again2018-01-31 19:07:45
Yes, if you like that rhythmic stuff then Junkie is the man. As for me, it's not my cup of tea, but his drums do sound awesome :)


Olive2018-02-01 02:47:16
I agree with @Ds on everything he wrote. I like XL's rhythmic material very much in its action scores. They are a funny listening.

Scorefan reply Replies: 0 || 2018-01-31 17:23:06
Hans Zimmer Breaks Down His Legendary Career, From "Rain Man" to "Inception" | Vanity Fair

h t t p s: / / www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGs_NT4iL2c

meow meow puppy reply Replies: 3 || 2018-01-29 03:23:19
I love that he reused the famous Tears of the Sun melody in this score. I remember it being maybe the first or among the first HZ themes I copied on my piano, probably because it's very simple :), BUT it is also very effective and can blend in almost everywhere. In fact it is one of my favorite film themes because it's so simple yet so effective and I'm glad he recycled it for this movie :)


lol2018-01-29 04:01:12
what melody


JBSO992018-01-29 11:28:50
I think he is referring to the theme that appears in Beautiful Lie, that is very similar to one of the themes from Tears of the Sun.

I also love that theme. The opening credits of the movie are beautiful with this music!


gringo2018-01-30 10:41:50
Tears of the Batman...

james (now james callahan) reply Replies: 13 || 2018-01-01 00:43:36
Talking about Batman v Superman does anyone know why Xl ended up not making the Batman theme as it had been previously established?


ThomasFernandoMusic2018-01-01 22:10:04
The Batman Theme of the Nolan trilogy was not reused in BvS for the same reason that Elfman's theme was not reused for Batman Begins - with a new Batman (Affleck), and new continuity that started with Man of Steel, HZ and JXL chose to write a new theme, that was more fitting to the tone and style of Snyder's work. I hope this answers your question


Ahmad2018-01-01 23:40:44
I think he's asking about BvS specifically.

Well, it was said that JXL would compose the then new Batman theme and Hans didn't want to get involved in it since he spend so many years with the Dark Knight trilogy but then he couldn't stay away and started getting ideas and they both worked on. That's obviously what both of them told us in interviews (available on YouTube).

Who knows if there's another reason we don't know about. Some JXL doubters/haters want to think that he couldn't do it alone so Hans came in to save the day, I'll go with what they told us over what some people want to believe.


james (now james callahan)2018-01-02 00:21:53
I say this specifically because of Hybrid's credits in this video (https: // www. youtube.com/watch?v=jYqt3gE6i3g), for example. He credits Zimmer and Mazzaro, there is no mention of the JXL name. Which, in a way, implies that he has no involvement with any of the ideas played on this track.From what I understand, the original ideas of XL are those played in "Do You Bleed?". The rest of the material "Black and Blue", "New Rules" and"Their War is Here" are tracks composed of arrangements made by XL of the existing material primarily composed by Zimmer or AK (which I believe to have composed the dissonant sounds of the score).Even "Do You Bleed" is not 100% original since it counts with the participation of the theme of the video.


Hybrid Soldier2018-01-02 00:24:51
Hey the credits are not "mine", that's the cuesheet. And I talked to people who worked on the score, they confirm it.

But I honestly don't know why Junkie ended up doing pretty much... almost nothing from that score...


Rigby 2018-01-02 00:38:12
Hybrid, can you make a page for the sessions or does it need to leak first?


james (now james callahan)2018-01-02 00:43:56
Thanks for the reply, Hybrid!

Exact. Sometimes I imagine that Snyder is very passionate about the work that XL developed in 300 and so he asked for Zimmer to produce something similar for MoS and BvS. As Holkenborg works with him, it was not difficult to bring the man in person to help him on this mission. When Zimmer decided to leave the genre, he decided to hand the baton directly to Holkenborg and share the credit (deserved) with it on BvS. This was a way to make fans of the DC universe familiar with him.


james (now james callahan)2018-01-02 00:58:12
And it's not like he did not do anything. He did a lot (composition (of some small ideas and arrangements of much material composed by Zimmer). It's as if we had Geoff Zanelli receiving the co-composer credit for The Lone Ranger, Lorne Balfe for Inception or James Dooley for Madagascar.


lmao2018-01-02 02:36:00
I know he did a lot more than Hybrid could know for this score, the staff of this website can downplay his contributions, and he may not have composed the batman theme, but he did so much work on this score and MoS that it's pathetic to see Hybrid and others shitting all over him


Ian2018-01-02 02:52:34
@lmao - if you look at the BvS expanded score page on this site, you'll see that Junkie only appears on seven cues (unless I've miscounted). I think it's fair to say that represents a pretty minimal contribution for someone officially credited as a co-composer. Honestly, I get the sense Lorne did proportionally more on Inception, and seemingly only film score aficionados know he contributed anything to that score.


Hybrid Soldier2018-01-02 09:51:59
Me shitting on Junkie ? Are you crazy ?

I was defending him when no one was. And yes, he did a LOT on Man Of Steel, which surprises even more as to why he did not here... Maybe he found Deadpool more interesting...


James2018-01-02 17:27:41
I did not want to offend XL, Hybrid or that any member of the forum see my comment this way.It was just my curiosity. I particularly like the score. The only tracks that bother me about him are the themes for Lex Luthor, Doomsday and Must Be A Superman.


James2018-01-02 17:28:41
About it**


Balfe2018-01-29 16:16:56
Are you numbnuts dumb? Is it not obvious that Warner Bros got fed up with the Junk and decided to go elsewhere?

They continue with Hans, of course, but Junk is, well, junk. A below-par DJ someone let into a house with great equipment. He molested that gear for a bit, coming up with good stuff on a ratio of 2/10 (Mad Max Theme, Dark Tower Theme) and utterly failing, on all fronts as a human composer on everything else.

He is literally one of the worst composers of all time - seriously, have a look at yourself if you support this guy - how much music have you listened to in the past? Like, 'actual' music, or even Zimmer music - if you have followed Zimmer from thr 1990s you would not support this master of nonsense.

Please prove me wrong.

Balfe

Kingfannypack reply Replies: 0 || 2017-12-26 09:30:17
And I thought this complete score would leak before TASM2...

And now for the waiting game...

ladywiththesax reply Replies: 3 || 2017-09-30 18:16:00
I think the person who should be called out is Geoff Johns. Zack was just scapegoated by Geoff. (People who don't know who he is, Johns is the head of DC Films.)

We have been let down by mismanagement, marketing mistakes and one PR nightmare after another because of this one man who is confused and doesn't know what to do and people should be aware of that and that man is Geoff Johns. DC needs someone else that could lead (that person has to know both comics as well as how to make movies) and honor the brand. We thought he'll be like Feige but he didn't turn out to be like him or better. The DCEU is a mess and the cause of this mess is Geoff Johns. He alone is to blame for DC's failures.



Everan2017-09-30 19:06:18
Geoff Jones wasn't involved in the DCEU until very late production of Wonder Woman but ok


Everan2017-09-30 19:06:18
Geoff Jones wasn't involved in the DCEU until very late production of Wonder Woman but ok


Master Wayne2017-12-09 12:41:52
They fired Geoff Johns and Jon Berg.

nvictor reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-18 01:20:22
i swear people, whoever they are, and are rating soundtracks have not understood this music.

oh by the way hybrid, my man, you are wrong too! i am no movie dude, and i have enjoyed every single soundtrack without watching any of them movies! for me, it's the soundtrack that draw me to the movie...

nvictor reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-18 00:59:20
this is my world!

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 18 || 2017-09-28 23:04:06
www. billboard.com/articles /news/7981630/danny-elfman-justice-league-joss-whedon-gus- van-sant-interview

Looks like they are gonna use the WW here, but no word on if any of Zimmer's Superman material will return. I'm excited to hear Elfman's Batman theme return, but it would be pretty disappointing to see a total lack of continuity.


Hybrid Soldier2017-09-28 23:08:09
Forget about "continuity", that film finished by Whedon will have nothing to do with Zack Snyder's intended movie...


Everan2017-09-28 23:16:07
How? Joss probably didn't even make 90% of it!


Hybrid Soldier2017-09-28 23:20:03
They will keep in their original forms only the action scenes Zack made. They reshot a lot of dialogues because they were "too dark" with Zack. Think editing, think music etc. There will be a lot of Snyder footage of course, but his spirit will be trashed... Exactly like Superman II with Donner. His film was destroyed back in the days, despite having a majority of scenes he shot.


mpolonest123 2017-09-28 23:30:50
@Hybrid Do you know at all if Tom wrote a sketchbook suite for JL? Or some initial ideas at least?


Everan2017-09-28 23:30:59
Zack wanted Joss though, so he's confident about his work on JL. It will be great!

Better to have a great Justice League film made by both than a rather decent or worse JL film made by Zack.


Hybrid Soldier2017-09-28 23:53:40
You mean "Zack told the press" lol...

It'll be horrible, Whedon is aweful, it'll just be Marvel 2.0...

Anyway, the big irony is that WaterTower released the single "Come Together" a couple of weeks ago, remixed by... Junkie XL for the trailer...


Medigo2017-09-29 00:29:47
Marvel Whedon is too fluffy
Zack DC is too rough.
Maybe a happy mix will be nice.
Still Zack's style clearly was not working


Waymann2017-09-29 11:17:23
Pfff so less exited for this score now. Why no continuity and bring those old themes back why? It will sound like one big joke.


JBSO992017-09-29 11:58:04
Wayman That's exactly what I think. If you have some good themes that belong to the same universo, why would you bring back themes from a movie of almost 30 years ago? Not that I don't like that theme but I think it's just pointless.

And about the movie, I hope Whedon hasn't created a new "Avengers" movie because if I want an Avengers movie I would watch any Marvel movie. Snyder's movies were not perfect but they were different.

Let's wait and we'll see but I have lost a bit of interest in the movie.


MrZimmerFan2017-09-29 12:10:29
We're talking about Joss Whedon, the guy created Buffy and Firefly... not a fu** Colin Trevorrow (that guy is something who feared in movies)

And this comes from a Snyder's fan...


Hybrid Soldier2017-09-29 12:29:33
Exactly, he's a TV guy, he should have stayed there...

Avengers 1 & 2 look like overbudgeted TV movies, he should learn a lesson or two from the Russos about making a cinema movie...


MrZimmerFan2017-09-29 12:54:43
@Hybrid: I don't think the Russos are the best example... Civil War was a HUGE letdown from the MARVELOUS The Winter Soldier and The First Avenger.

And i don't hate Marvel, but his last movies, are just so... bland, like Homecoming. And Whedon has style and sustance, it's an autor.


Meta2017-09-29 14:14:30
Yeah...Looks like Elfman is going symphonic with his score. I guess this will be a major contrast with the previous, so I have no idea how I'm to process this now, having been used to Zimmer's crew over the last 17 years...


Bolidzar2017-09-29 15:57:50
Yikes! This is going to be bad. I am not a fan of Elfman. He has his own good quirky stuff, but in terms of total projects, for me it never works.


James2017-09-29 20:38:17
Folks, Elfman was hired to make an authorial score and not a copy of what would be done by Zimmer or JXL. I am particularly happy with what he said in the interview. We will have togheter on the score the ICONIC themes of Elfman and Williams, without neglect the contributions of Zimmer. We will have a good result.


James2017-09-29 20:40:46
together**


Hybrid Soldier2017-09-29 20:58:38
But that's only a good idea for some new Justice League universe...


That's absolutely stupid for the sequel of Man Of Steel & Bat v Sup ! lol


rockhound2017-09-29 22:38:50
i also think, it is not the best idea to use the old themes. these old movies had a total different atmosphere and also the characters were more comic book like.

Ds reply Replies: 6 || 2017-07-23 01:27:07
The rendition of What Are You Going To Do When You're Not Saving The World in the new Justice League trailer is pretty cool, at least it shows they have not forgotten this theme :-p


Micah2017-07-23 18:42:11
So, is that Elfman's score in the trailer? It seems a bit early, but if that is, I just MIGHT be okay with him taking over from Junkie.


James2017-07-23 19:44:23
No.
The trailer's music is almost never is composed by the composer of the score. It is made by a specialized company.


Ahmad2017-07-23 20:53:57
You said it yourself "almost never".
Some MoS trailers featured Hans' score. ComicCon trailer for BvS featured music from Hans and Tom.
I actually didn't hear any reference to Hans' 3 main Supes motifs. Beside the hints of "Come Together", I find the music rather boring anf generic.


James2017-07-23 21:53:14
Yep. I know, but we have to agree that Elfman would never do anything like that. I do not think even XL.
Listen again. They refer to the themes of Hans' Superman in the second half of the trailer.


Michael2017-07-23 22:08:45
I think its probably a remix by Hi-Finesse or someone like that. Just guessing maybe based on some of Elfmans work based on XL&Zimmer's themes


James2017-07-24 01:38:58
Perhaps. I also noticed a more heroic variation. How to turn the theme into a march.

Joshua reply Replies: 31 || 2017-06-15 00:51:18
Danny Elfman is replacing Holkenborg on Justice League. Now apparently he's doing Tomb Raider.


Everan2017-06-15 00:59:13
Holy hell!
Wondering if the thems for WW, Supes and Bats get to stay around.


NotSoAnonymous2017-06-15 01:09:34
This is actually not exciting news for me. The DCEU has a very distinct sound going so far with the work of Hans and Tom, and while Danny Elfman is very accomplished and talented, he has a very distinct style of his own. I was hoping for a more musical consistency, however I will reserve judgement until I hear the product.


Frank2017-06-15 01:30:56
I'm not sure if this is a replacement or it's gonna be more like what happened to Avengers 2


mpolonest123 2017-06-15 02:16:26
Hmmmm....

One one hand I'm fairly disappointed. I've always been a fan of JXL and wanted to see what themes he would bring to the DCEU. Also, the films do have a stylistic connection musically and to change it this far in the game would be idiotic (Marvel still can't get this right)

On the other hand, I do love Danny Elfman and his work on Age of Ultron recently was very good. If he can at least stick with the aforementioned tone of this universe and doesn't ixnay the existing themes then I say; LET HIM HAVE IT!!!!

And food for thought, now we can finally hear what his take for Superman will sound like lol


care2017-06-15 03:00:11
I doubt Elfman will use the existing themes.

But is anyone *really* going to care?


James2017-06-15 03:01:22
I'm not a hater, but definitely changing XL for Elfman would be the best thing to do. Meanwhile, I'm looking forward to having Danny Elfman as the composer for "The Batman." DC can not miss this opportunity. A better choice than Giacchino.


Ahmad2017-06-15 03:01:56
I'm so disappointed. I was eagerly waiting to hear what JXL is going to do. It's not clear if he's being replaced or he's working with Elfman.

I hope WB and DC will still push the already established themes.


James2017-06-15 03:10:47
He will continue. Elfman will get the new scenes recorded by Whedon. That's good news man! We have a possible Elfman soundtrack for Batman 26 years after.


James2017-06-15 03:15:33
And the themes can be replaced or arranged and enriched in a more heroic and orchestrated way. Let's be honest the new Batman theme is weak, the worst theme for the character in the movie so far.


NotSoAnonymous2017-06-15 03:34:45
Tom just posted on his Instagram that it is indeed a full replacement. He sends his best to Elfman and the team.


Ahmad2017-06-15 03:36:20
Tom/Junkie XL was kicked out of the whole project! This is ridiculous. Check Tom's post about it: twitter.com/Junkie _XL/status/875159566689775616



...2017-06-15 03:42:53
Wonder if his sketchbook will be released.... assuming he wrote one already


Bioscope2017-06-15 05:40:28
Sounds like a kneejerk reaction to Hans' verbal retirement from scoring superhero movies.


JBSO992017-06-15 08:28:27
For me that's not very good news. Danny Elfman surely can create music for superhero films (Spider Man, Batman...) but the sound the DCUniverse has right now, for me it's perfect.
This is probably because of Whedon replacing Snyder in the directing chair. If it was a collaboration it would be a lot better. I just hope he keeps the already established themes, because that's one of the main differences between Marvel & DC, their musical continuity.
Let's wait and see what happens


Waymann2017-06-15 13:07:13
Haha does this mean that there will be no topic on this site about the justice league score where everyone will complain about how bad and unoriginal the score is.


Scorefan2017-06-15 19:43:59
@Hybrid, Tom has recorded the music or just wrote the music? Just to know if would be a rejected score in the future? Thanks


Hybrid Soldier2017-06-15 19:51:26
I don't know, I'm disappointed and at this point I don't care about this project anymore.

As Superman said, "The Bat is dead. Bury it"


Vivien2017-06-16 20:38:20
In a statement to THR, Holkenborg said, ďAs my mentor Hans Zimmer told me ó you havenít made it in Hollywood as a composer until you get replaced on a project. So I guess [I] finally graduated this week.


Ds2017-06-16 20:46:45
Really wondering what Zack Snyder is thinking right now. Such a tragic situation, he leaves the project to care after his family, only to see his "partners" start destroying his movie piece by piece. Such a shame, I was already very sad for Zack, but now even more.


Ahmad2017-06-16 22:38:56
I personally think JXL was perfect for it. If you look at what he's done, you'll see an incredibly diverse body of work. He's done big and epic to small and intimate. Some have the idea that he's not as talented as Zimmer for example and I totally disagree.
Composers usually get replaced when their music doesn't seem to fit with the picture, but I'm sure he did some suites and played them to Zack. If he didn't like what he heard he would've replaced him or got someone in to collaborate. But they seem to want to go in a totally different direction with the music.
If this ends up having a pure orchestral mish-mash of a score, I'm gonna be so disappointed.
The thing about JXL is not only he writes great melodies but does what Zimmer does as well; create a sonic world for each movie he works on.


Edmund Meinerts2017-06-18 14:21:14
"Some have the idea that he's not as talented as Zimmer for example and I totally disagree."

You owe me a new keyboard.


Ahmad2017-06-18 15:02:58
LOL why? Because I think Tom is a talented guy? I generally don't like to compare and yes it's not even valid to compare them. But a lot of people underestimate JXL. Hans has been working in the industry way longer than Tom, but Tom has shown so much potential.
His sound is similar to Hans yet different enough.


meta2017-06-18 16:02:54
I honestly cant say if Junkie XL is a perfect for for this series, but I can say that practically anyone from Zimmer's Remote Control will suffice for this simply because that's been the standard fare for these DC movies ever since Batman Begins...

I consider Elfman the "Old Guard" who pretty much made the DC universe sound back in the late 80s and 90s (Yeah OK Batman and Flash, but Shirley Walker held the cartoons at a similar standard)

My point is I don't think Elfman is a good fit, simply because having him score the DCEU going forward serves as a clash of styles. It creates a polarizing effect on me, since Zimmer and Co. created the new sound for this latest incarnation of these characters. Now we're going back to the Elfman sound - and I personally don't care to go back to that sound, as much as I loved Elfman over the last 30 years.

And I seriously doubt Elfman will bend his way to match that of Remote Control, so that's not gonna happen.



Hybrid Soldier2017-06-18 16:07:45
The irony is Elfman scoring it will probably mean a lot of RCP help like always with him in the past 10 years.

Get ready for people like TJ Lindgren, Paul Mounsey or David Buckley to jump in & help him !


mpolonest123 2017-06-18 16:12:21
Everyone seems to forget that Danny Elfman isn't the one who decides what JL sounds like. That lies with Joss and more so, the producers.

I do have faith that Warner Bros. will at least want to keep elements of the established sound, and with the popularity of Wonder Woman (and to a lesser extent MoS) I don't think they will completely ignore that.

Then again Joss might have a different perspective, which is something I'm afraid of. But I'll still give Elfman the benefit of the doubt. And if the movie is going to go for a "hard rock" soundtrack, I think he could deliver.


James2017-06-18 16:32:25
XL is a talented guy. The problem is that DC can not be at the mercy of RCP in the next few films. "Zimmer does not want to work with us anymore, what are we going to do now?" Hire all the composers of the company. No! They need a strong one, which is easily recognized by the public. Danny Elfman is a big name in the industry as well as Zimmer and was the one who helped build the sound of all the movies and cartoons of DC comics in the 90's. He will respect some themes . Is obvious. Another thing. If XL made the soundtrack many would throw stones at the result. Which we all already know would be a mix between 300, Mad Max and regular BvS music.The fact is that Elfman is a safer name than XL.


Hybrid Soldier2017-06-18 17:14:59
Such reasoning is wrong. I think it's just Whedon's doing, also using the fact that HZ is far away. If Hans was in RCP these days, I bet this would have never happened, or not like that.


James2017-06-18 17:37:11
Ok, but the DC does not need to be stuck to HZ. He has already said he does not want to continue with superhero movies.


mpolonest123 2017-06-18 18:54:20
@James

True, not every DC score needs to sound like HZ, but there needs to be at least some continuity between films. Look at Marvel. Almost none of those score have anything in common outside of an occasional reference or two. When both Iron Man and Captain America have 3 separate themes each, there is obviously something wrong.


Ahmad2017-06-19 00:12:43
@James I agree with @mpolonest123
Not every DC movie has to sound similar to HZ/RCP, but Justice League is a continuation of MoS & BvS. I think the score should continue in the same direction and build on what has been done on those two movies. If the change in sound is drastic, it will feel very strange. And if they don't want a totally different sound, why replace JXL? It doesn't make sense.


Edmund Meinerts2017-06-19 14:29:47
I have no problem with you liking JXL but *as talented* as Zimmer? Please.

Hale reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-16 21:22:06
After Wonder Woman, I think Rupert Gregson-Williams would be a great choice for "Justice League". So sad the old Danny Elfman is now involved... I love his style but not for this franchise...

Boromir reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-29 12:09:09
Final part of "Batman Suite" sounds like "The Lord of The Rings" lol


Edmund Meinerts2017-05-29 12:49:15
Yeah I agree, sounds like Gollum's theme. Which I guess makes a weird kind of sense since both Gollum and Batman lead a double life xD


Boromir2017-05-30 12:34:36
And the ending choirs are the same of "Destruction of the Ring" ahah

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-24 02:01:21
My heart definitely goes out to Zack Snyder, I hope his family will pull through. Regardless of opinion, I think he is an enormously talented director who never got quite as much credit as he deserved.

Now that Joss Whedon is taking over the finishing touches on Justice League I wonder how this will affect the sound of JXL's music.

kevin reply Replies: 1 || 2017-03-28 04:44:19
Where is the score for Batmans nightmare scene? Thanks :)


David2017-03-28 05:19:10
"Must There Be A Superman?", track 5 ;)

Ei18 reply Replies: 3 || 2017-03-25 20:26:21
Hybrid, do you know if Junkie XL is scoring Justice League alone or will he have a co-composer?


Hybrid Soldier2017-03-25 20:39:39
No idea, he's supposed to be doing it on his own...


Everan2017-03-25 22:54:16
Whatever he's doing, better be amazing!


...2017-03-25 23:37:33
Yes, considering that he basically wrote the screechy creepy thing in BVS, this better be some thematic scoring, bringing the heroes together! We don't need another Mad Max (which I loved btw)

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 0 || 2017-03-18 04:17:32
Zimmer recently admitted that the reason he had a hard time with "Batman Take 2" was that Affleck's performance/character didn't resonate with him the way Christian Bale's did. I'm kind of surprised he actually said that out loud! I thought his Ben Affleck theme fit really well, though, all things considered.

Tony1313 reply Replies: 2 || 2017-02-14 00:06:09
Were there more suites written for this outside of the "Batman" suite? It's strange to me that Zimmer, who is normally pretty suite heavy when it Ickes to blockbusters, would only write one for this. Especially when MOS had about five...


Edmund Meinerts2017-02-14 01:39:58
Remember that by all accounts, this wasn't really a project that Hans was super super invested in. He had stated his lack of interest in superheroes (and especially Batman whom he had already covered) in interviews just previously. This is speculative, but my theory is that he probably originally wanted to leave more of this score in Junkie XL's hands but eventually got convinced to take the lead role by Snyder, producers, Junkie was struggling or whatever the reasons were. That might explain that Hans had neither the time nor the inclination to provide his customary multiple suites.


Mike2017-02-14 03:08:42
Well, Hans basically said there are more suites. He said "we begin with these big, long pieces" in reference to extra music Snyder could pull from for the extended release of the film.

As for Hans' role...I really get the sense from things he's said that he wanted to give this second take on Batman a shot, which is why his original plan didn't pan out. Yes, it sounds like he's tired with the genre now, and is more than ready to be done with Batman, but it doesn't sound to me like he did things too begrudgingly here. He seems to have really liked the movie from interviews, and Hybrid has said he liked it, too.

Christian Bale reply Replies: 0 || 2017-01-22 22:35:36
Still waiting for it

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 22 || 2016-08-07 17:25:38
Some more, probably still a bunch missing but it gives an idea...

BAT LIGHT HZ SM
BRANDING HZ JXL AK
BULLET HZ AK BW
CAPITAL MONTAGE HZ BW
CHASE HZ JXL AK
DAWN OF JUSTICE HZ SM
DAY OF THE DEAD HZ
DEVELOPING STORY HZ SM
DO YOU BLEED HZ SM
DO YOU BLEED (CONíT) HZ SM
DREAMS HZ JXL SM
END CREDITS 2 HZ SM
END CREDITS 3 HZ JXL AK
END CREDITS 4 HZ JXL AK
END CREDITS 5 HZ BW
END CREDITS 6 HZ
EVERYTHINGíS CHANGED HZ SM
FALLING HZ SM
FUNDRAISER INVITATION HZ SM
HALF A MAN HZ SM
HERO FIGHT HZ JXL
HERO FIGHT (CONíT) HZ JXL
HEROíS PARK HZ SM
KIDNAPPING HZ BW
MAIN TITLES PT 1 HZ
MAIN TITLES PT 2 HZ SM
MEN ARE STILL GOOD HZ JXL AK
METROPOLIS LIBRARY FUNDRAISER HZ SM BW
MONUMENT VENDALISM HZ SM
MY BLOOD HZ SM
OUR HERO HZ SM
OUR HERO (CONíT) HZ SM
OUT OF TIME HZ SM
OW MY BALLS HZ SM
OW MY BALLS (CONíT) HZ SM
PAST MEMORIES HZ SM
PHOTOGRAPH HZ AK
POST APOCALYPSE HZ AK
PREPARATION MONTAGE HZ JXL AK
PROBLEMS UP HERE HZ JXL
QUAKER, STEAK & LUBE HZ SM
RED CAPES ARE COMING HZ BW
ROOFTOP (CONíT) HZ BW
ROOFTOP HZ BW
THE DESERT HZ AK
THE DESERT (CONíT) HZ AK
THE GIRL HZ SM
THE GIRL (CONíT) HZ SM
THE RETURN HZ SM
THE WARDEN HZ SM
THE WHITE PORTUGUESE HZ SM
THUG FIGHT HZ JXL AK
TICK TOCK HZ SM
TIME IS RUNNING OUT HZ SM
TIME IS RUNNING OUT (CONíT) HZ SM
TOWER FALLS HZ JXL
TRANSFER COMPLETE HZ SM BW
TUESDAY HZ
WISHLIST HZ BW
WRECKAGE HZ AK


Anonymous2016-08-07 18:52:46
0_0

And thanks for the credits!


Anon 22016-08-07 19:41:11
so junkie xl only did 12 cues if i counted correctly ... huh. lol. SM and AK have more credits than him.


Hybrid Soldier2016-08-07 19:49:07
Even less than that. On the cue Dreams he's credited technically for 1% of the track, where a sample of his World Engine sound from MOS is used... lol


Mike2016-08-07 22:31:29
Heh, maybe we should be glad Zimmer handled the Batman theme... His "BAHM....BAHM BAHM BAHM BAHHHHHHHM" may sound a bit dated, but if Junkie XL's idea would have been some screechy thing, I think we lucked out.


Everan2016-08-08 01:00:35
Hybrid, don't know if you can answer or even know about but, the track Dawn of Justice here, what track is that in the film?


mpolonest1232016-08-08 01:26:23
And for that matter: Quaker, Steak, and Lube/Ow My Balls 0.0


josimar2016-08-08 04:54:47
It was actually a surprise for me that Zimmer did most of the Batman theme, it always sounded to me like a JXL-one.


Hybrid Soldier2016-08-08 08:25:23
I don't know about Dawn of Justice...

And HZ didn't do "most" of the Batman theme... He did all of the Batman theme lol...


Everan2016-08-08 15:43:16
Huh, interesting. I'm gonna say it's the part of Men Are Still Good before the end credits. Only place I can place it with that title


Anonymous2016-08-08 17:48:52
No, Men Are Still Good is.... Men Are Still Good. :P I have to say, the Batman theme does sound quite Zimmerish to me, EXCEPT the loud self-important choir stuff at the end. I never thought Zimmer would write stuff like that for Batman.

Here's a question: are there any other examples of a composer doing two different versions of the same character?


Edmund Meinerts2016-08-08 20:37:36
Off the top of my head...David Arnold wrote scores for both the Daniel Craig and Pierce Brosnan Bonds; ditto John Barry with Connery, Lazenby, Moore and Dalton. Oh, and Alan Menken is writing music for the upcoming Beauty and the Beast "remake" (which looks more like a shot-for-shot recreation of the original Disney animateed movie in live-action (and craptons of CGI), but whatever).


Mpolonest1232016-08-08 21:09:09
Could be wrong but I think the track Dawn of Justice might be the trailer music demo Hans did for the comic-con trailer. Otherwise I really can't place it with any scene...


Kendra2016-08-11 01:38:04
These are some of the unreleased cues/music? Part of the complete score?


Rigby2016-08-12 04:15:35
Hybrid, out of curiosity, do you ever get a chance to listen to these recording sessions?

You obviously have some connections to Zimmer and his crew, so I'm wondering if you maybe have access to some of this stuff?


GR72016-08-12 11:18:00
Thanks as always for the inside news ;)
Im surprised that JXL does not appear that much on these credits given he is credited co-composer.


Hybrid Soldier2016-08-16 18:30:01
Little correction from ASCAP update, I forgot a cue :

YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE HZ SM


And actually Problems Up Here was a mistake, there's no cue in the cuesheet called like that... :P


nvictor2016-08-17 14:31:38
okay, based on all the insider info provided by Hybrid, i am seriously thinking we were all too harsh on JXL. i didn't even know his work well. just read what others were saying.

i am happy to know he did the work with HZ on Black and Blue and not on Do You Bleed.


Anonymous2016-08-17 15:12:07
Do we have absolute confirmation that Junkie XL didn't handle the dramatic choir arrangement at the end of the Batman suite? 2 reasons for asking: 1. that doesn't strike me as something Zimmer would do himself for a character like this; 2. Junkie XL is credited on Do You Bleed, Their War Here, and Men Are Still Good, and conveniently enough, the loud dramatic choir stuff shows up in all of those.


nvictor2016-08-18 19:52:41
am i reading something wrong? Do you Bleed is HZ and SM.

i personally think the choir thing has a HZ touch. ever since Lion King, i can name many titles with choirs. now i haven't heard it be so dramatic, except for Chappie. Chappie is pretty close.

let's say both JXL and HZ and SM and AK did it : ) they all deserve credit.


Anonymous2016-08-18 20:05:53
Meant the album Do You Bleed... which is "Chase - HZ, JXL, AK"


HEAVEN2016-08-23 22:32:22
Hi Hybrid, I recall the complete MOS score streaming on this site at some point. What was the nature of that release? Was is a leak or did you secure some official permission for that?


Jasonflz2016-12-27 04:26:25
Question: would it be possible to listen to these unreleased tracks privately through ASCAP or BMI?

I know you need a license to obtain and publicly play music but where would private listening stand with that? Forgive me for not knowing how it works, I just wanted some clarification

Jack reply Replies: 15 || 2016-10-05 22:29:35
Instead of asking when the complete score might be leaked, I'm going to ask, why Hans, won't release the complete score himself. So why doesn't he release the complete score after the film's dvd release? I know he can't release it because of the studio, and he can't officially release it even afterwards, but why? It's his music.

I love Hans Zimmer, but there are only a two reasons why he won't release the score. Either he can't because of the studio owns the rights (which is bullshit), and he won't release because he feels the need not to. Which is also bullshit. If he is aloud to release it, but for some odd reason he won't and someone has to leak, I don't understand. I will happily pay 100 dollars for a complete score. Even 200. I mean c'mon, it's Hans Zimmer. I'm sorry for the rant, I just don't understand either why he won't release his complete scores, or why the studios won;t let him because of money.


Bro2016-10-05 23:29:38
It's all legal mumbo-jumbo.

The scores do eventually leak, which is better than nothing.

One day he might push WB or Columbia to do a big release of something like the Batman trilogy, the POTC trilogy, or the Dan Brown trilogy (TDVC, A&D, Inferno)

Who knows.


Edmund Meinerts2016-10-05 23:55:35
It's not bullshit. Composing for film is work-for-hire; they hire you to provide a product, you do, and that product is then theirs to do whatever the hell they want with. The composer no longer has a say, legally speaking. Maybe they get royalties, maybe not. So no, it's not Zimmer's call to release or not release the complete score (assuming that he would do it, which to be honest doesn't seem like him anyway). It's the studio's - and the market just isn't really big enough for that sort of thing to be profitable, I bet.

I'm hoping that one day complete score releases become the norm from the beginning, rather than collecting dust for a decade or two before some specialty label like La-La Land rediscovers it. Or, better yet, a double release: a physical album that's been edited for good listening, and a complete score, perhaps released only digitally if costs make that necessary. A few years ago the Oblivion score did that exact thing really well, for example, and I'm disappointed that we haven't seen more of it. But the reality is that most people probably prefer a nicely edited single-disk album to a lengthy complete score where the highlights are a lot further apart.


mpolonest1232016-10-06 00:26:43
And look, at the end of the day Zimmer has much bigger priorities than leaking out scores. With all the projects he continually is working on, I highly doubt he spends much time thinking about his past scores. Finish one and move on.....

It is great when composers do put out unreleased music on their sites (Zanelli, Balfe, Beltrami), but the reality is that Zimmer is far too busy to be thinking of things like this.

If anyone is to blame, it's the labels that put out all of these redundant "extended editions" of scores like TDKR or BvS.
That's why albums like Sherlock Holmes and KFP2 have never bothered me; they may not be complete but they sure as hell are great presentations of the music within the film; all of the highlights covered.


WB2016-10-06 03:53:26
Jack, HZ doesn't own the score once he writes it and gets paid for it. The studio owns everything. If they hire Edmund to write the script, it's now theirs and no longer his. Yes, he wrote it - but he doesn't own the right to it.

Same thing with the score. HZ writes it, but he doesn't own it. It's not his anymore, it's the studios'. They own EVERYTHING. The sets, the costumes, the props, the script, the score - all of it.


rockhound2016-10-06 08:32:50
howard shore, mark isham and klaus badelt are able to release some of their scores over their own label, even complete ones. why is this possible?


Edmund Meinerts2016-10-06 15:30:31
Because those composers probably make a point of it to retain release rights to the music in their contracts. Also, Isham, Badelt and everything Shore writes that isn't based on Tolkien tends to be for much, much smaller-scale movies than what Zimmer works on, so maybe they're a bit more lenient than the big big studios.


rockhound2016-10-06 17:17:15
you can listen on badelts website to Pirates 1, The Time Machine, 16 Blocks, TMNT etc. all kind of big studio movies and all of them complete or expanded. the point is, it is possible. at least in some cases. but the first thing you always have to do is ....try it.


Edmund Meinerts2016-10-06 19:14:06
He has all those up?? I didn't actually know that. I thought it was just all those random French movies he used to do (and these days he doesn't even do those :/ ). Might have to go check that out, thanks.


rockhound2016-10-06 23:12:45
very welcome. klaus has alot of good stuff uploaded. also his smaller stuff and dtv films.


Cyberpunk882016-10-07 00:00:49
Also, with the popularity of the isolated scores/5.1 bonus tracks on dvd's/blu-ray's like with Inception, Lotr, Oblivion etc. Why won't they at least continue this trend and release the most popular tracks or an isolated score as extra's with the dvd's/blu-ray's.. Hans always talks about the surround experience in his studio and how he wants people to experience the same at their home (the reason he releases those apps with dts headphone-x, which is only stereo-surround) yet he can't get them to release the real surround tracks on at least 1 format.


WB2016-10-07 01:25:55
It's all about the money. We only get certain isolated scores for certain films because not every studio wants to do it. Like I said, they own the music. It's theirs. They keep it locked up tight and wait until years down the line so they can release via La-La Land or Intrada. I guess we got lucky Universal was kind enough to give us Oblivion.

As far as Hans releasing the music in 5.1 via the apps, I think he does it for 2 reasons:

1.) To stay up to date with today's technology. Everything is done digitally now and he's hip by being up to date, releasing music via an app.

2.) Because he knows the studio won't do an isolated score (there has NEVER been an HZ iso score as far as I know), so he at least releases it in 5.1 to somewhat please the fans.


Tom2016-10-07 03:33:50
Any news on Balfe's new score being released for War On Evertone ?heard some bits on his Twitter ????


Hybrid Soldier2016-10-07 09:12:51
It won't have an OST release. Best thing will be Lorne putting cues on his site or Youtube I think...


Jack2016-10-07 22:44:47
Thank for the feedback. Sucks that Zimmer owns none of his own work. I just think the studio should release complete scores. But they're all about the money. Igues it's just how it works nowadays


WB2016-10-07 22:56:40
Remember, it's not just HZ - it's every composer. They don't own the music they write, the screenwriters don't own the scripts they write.

LS100 Studios reply Replies: 9 || 2016-09-25 17:24:59
I've got my hopes up that Zimmer will release the complete score at some point, but the overwhelming question for everyone is, "When?" It took two years for him to officially release the complete score for Man of Steel, and for many people that shows we'll have to wait for some time until BvS's complete score is released.

Look at it like this - Zimmer released the complete score for The Dark Knight Rises towards the end of 2012, within several months of the film's release in July. I don't know why the score was released so soon - perhaps it was due to popular demand, or maybe Zimmer had more time to organize and release it, which could be why the MoS complete score took so long to come out.

If anyone has any thoughts on this, feel free to share them. This has been on my mind lately and I've had my fingers crossed for the complete score to be released in the near future.


...2016-09-25 17:28:08
Hz doesn't release any complete scores.


Hybrid Soldier2016-09-25 17:44:19
Hans didn't release any complete score (beside The Lion King, took him 20 years lol).

And if you ask me, maybe he will get to this in the future, but not anytime soon...


Anonymous2016-09-25 18:22:16
@LS100 Studios,

You're an idiot. HZ didn't release the complete scores. Certain people go have contacts within the industry sell them to people online. It's called the black market.

It has nothing to do with the age or when a film is released. TDKR was leaked in October of 2012, but it had been passed around long before then. Inside people had it. October is just when someone decided to leak it to the public. The same goes with MOS.


Cameron2016-09-26 04:15:10
That down-talking wasn't necessary. Not everyone knows those facts you stated. So leave and come back when you learn some manners.


Anonymous2016-09-26 04:49:17
Welcome to the internet Cameron


Cameron2016-09-26 05:19:09
Yeah, I know. But I gotta try.


LS100 Studios2016-09-30 00:06:49
I didn't appreciate the down-talking either. Obviously there's people here like you who know much more about this than I do, which is great, but understand that there's people like me who don't know much about how the music gets out.

Anyhow, thanks for filling me in on this. Is there anyone hanging around this website that has ties with Zimmer or his crew?


Mike2016-09-30 02:25:26
@LS100, Hybrid Soldier, above, regularly corresponds with Hans and RCP people.


Cameron2016-09-30 03:28:42
Don't expect to get a complete score from him, though. If I recall, he's never leaked anything in the past.

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