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I am really enjoying his season of the Crown.a big balfe influence in this season with hints of Churchil and Genius I think. Really excellent music/ it's me@ds "Ramin is also doing a lot of projects but is far, far behind in terms of styles and creativity."<br> <br>I think the same for Jablonsky, Zanelli, XL, Jackman and Mancina.@macejko<br><br>"All the time he acts like the hottest shit in town, refusing to score basically everything they offer him"<br><br>You said in another comment that you never read an interview with Powell, so not reason you take that kind of conclusion of your character.<br><br>"The man hides in a cave, doesn't evolve at all and for some mysterious reason he is still revered like a second coming of Jesus Christ."<br>Powell is a clearly talented composer. He suffered criticism at the beginning of his career by sounding like Zimmer, but soon showed substance. And much more than that created an identifiable style, which today is reference to other scores of modern animations (which may be good or bad to depend on of the point of view).<br>Today he is an established composer and it is common for these composers to move away for a few years or even close their careers without many explanations for the public. In recent years we watched the estrangement of Silvestri, Horner, Williams and in the past we saw Faltemeyer, Bill Conti and Brad Fiedel drop their careers when they were at the top of the game.<br><br>" Say anything you will about Lorne Balfe, but at least he is working his ass off and slowly getting better and better"<br><br>As they said in another comment, you're compared to newbies and veterans. Balfe's having the opportunity of his life now. Take it or leave it. There's no choice. Powell, as well as Zimmer others, on the other hand, is a "senior member" of the club. He can afford to go away for a few years to resolve comprehensible personal problems without affecting the hard work he has developed in the last 20 years. Will Balfe continue to be so creative in 10 or 15 years?<br><br>@ds<br><br>"<br>Powell has nothing to prove, he has already mastered all genres"<br><br>That's funny, but it's fair. Powell Is a good composer. Not the best, far from it. Your style really narrows your work down, but we can say that from all the composers out there. So it's not a problem.The problem is he wants to limit his work to animations and fantasy.because he abhors gratuitous violence.<br><br>@george<br><br>". Although, I hate to say it, we could say the same for Zimmer in my opinion"<br><br>Zimmer's at the end of his career. All the other composers when they arrived at 60 years (with the exception of JNH, Goldsmith and Morricone) reduced the amount of projects per year and went on to choose their work best. It's a natural way.Over the years, it tends to get worse with one exception here and there. Don't keep expectations like he's in his prime<br><br>"he has "nothing more to prove", he is creatively dead."<br><br><br>Powell will work with a little more frequently in the coming years (or not) that only depends on his ambitions. However, frankly, he's never going to do three again. 4.5. 6 projects in a year. It takes a lot of motivation for that.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Just listened to the whole thing, kind of a let down. Nothing interessting except for some action moments. Donít even recall hearing some sort of theme. Overall it was like listening to Cars 4: Spanish World Cup.
I have already listened to The Jumanji Overture and I must say it sounds really great. Let's see how the rest of the score sounds.Tracklist with track duration:<br>01. The Jumanji Overture (03:20)<br>02. Digging Up The Past (01:43)<br>03. Brantfort High (01:09)<br>04. Into The Jungle (01:23)<br>05. Out of Character (02:31)<br>06. The Legend of the Jewel (02:23)<br>07. The Adventure Begins (01:40)<br>08. Special Abilities (01:16)<br>09. The Bikers (03:44)<br>10. Van Pelt (01:00)<br>11. A Test Of Friendship (01:22)<br>12. The Bazaar (01:16)<br>13. Snake Charmer (03:41)<br>14. The Power of Bravestone (01:04)<br>15. Seaplane McDonough (02:17)<br>16. The Missing Piece (01:46)<br>17. Lost In Time (01:18)<br>18. Flirting With Danger (01:36)<br>19. Albino Rhinos (03:44)<br>20. Retrieving the Emerald (01:54)<br>21. Out of Lives (01:49)<br>22. First Kiss (01:22)<br>23. The Jaguars (03:03)<br>24. Ring of Fire (02:07)<br>25. Begin The Climb (01:56)<br>26. Call Out Its Name (02:23)<br>27. leaving Jumanji (03:03)<br>28. An Older Friend (02:40)<br>29. Back To School (01:53)@ds the same for desplat's victory with Budapest Hotel.Maybe. I'd sure be happy for you lot ;) And I'd definitely rather see Powell attached to a project than, say, RGW, Junkie or Desplat. <br><br>That Solo movie is going to be a disaster, though.One more thing: if indeed the reason for Powell's semi-hiatus was to be with his family as much as possible, we may well see his activity increase again in coming years now that his wife has passed away and his son is close to graduating high school (I couldn't find an exact date of birth for him but I think he's 16 or 17). Him taking on a project as big and ambitious as Star Wars isn't exactly the sign of someone who wants to take it easy. It's too early to say yet though.
hans should win the oscar for best sound effects and not for the best music/score. just as a statement.And it's also unfair to use Balfe to criticize Powell. He started working on American projects in 2005 with Batman Begins, and only after 2010 did he receive individual projects. Is it accurate to compare someone who entered the party at the last minute with two others who are in it for 20 (Powell) and 30 (Zimmer)?<br><br>I'm in a hurry and I put everything into a translator. Forgive the many mistakes.<br> <br><br><br>Composers do not need to worry about the attention, acceptance of the public of the same or the same intensity as pop music artists do. There's no need to do that. Occasionally some name draws attention to the public and causes many people to be in the genre, Williams and Zimmer are the main examples that I can bring the table. However it is not because Williams or Zimmer are extremely popular and perhaps worry about the material they are offering to the public who adores them that all the composers of the world need to do equal. Most of these men and women even enxeega as "celebrity". They are more like artisans or the rest of the crew of a film that occupies with the lights, effects and costumes and that will never have the same response from the public as the main actor. And they don't even expect it. So I think it's foolish to wait for Powell to occupy himself in 2,3 movies a year to please a fanbase.<br><br>I'll agree with you when it says it's deplorable to see CPR composers who talk so much about building a single voice and giving emerging talent the opportunity to use so many additional composers (many of them with a possible promise that in the future they will work with Zimmer and thus have the opportunity to show his face in Hollywood.The sense is almost always these.You start with a secondary composer, he arrives at Zimmer and gains some kind of notoriety). But Powell is not the only one who does this. So he should not be the only one criticized.Well...it's a film score. It has no obligation to provide a pleasant or enjoyable listening experience, and for an award like this that doesn't really come into consideration. So if it works in the film, it did its job and that's all that matters.<br><br>For me personally, as someone who cares about music first and films second, a score like Dunkirk has little value. A few years ago I probably would have been pretty mad about this score winning awards and acclaim (you should have seen how salty I got when The Social Network beat out HTTYD), but these days... *shrug*. I know what I like, Dunkirk isn't it, and that's fine. It wasn't written for me. Do I wish Hans still wrote the kind of music I like? Of course. But he gets to make his own choices as an artist, just as I get to choose what to listen to as a fan.The score is already on itunes.
This score... so many mixed emotions. Does it work for the film? Heck yeah. Does it improve the film? So much so. Did Hans do what he set out to do? Totally. Is it an award winning masterpiece? Um, not so fast.<br><br>Dunkirk, while super effective within the context of the film (I wouldnít change a thing about it), I must admit, it doesnít have nearly the same effect as a stand-alone listen. Itís literally the same textures and notes over and over again, just slightly rising and falling in pitch and tempo. Does that make it ďawardĒ worthy? Iím not sure. If based solely on the film, you betcha. If based purely on the music itself, I donít think so. Thatís where Interstellar succeeds so far and away over Dunkirk. As a pure listening experience, Interstellar is interesting, multi-layered and emotional. Whereas Dunkirk is just flat, void of any sort of feeling or ďactualĒ music (again, works IN the film). Itís glorified sound FX (save for the end, which, no doubt, is in large part to Ben).<br><br>Hmm... Iíve never had a score tear me apart more than this one. I both love it and hate it. Maybe it did itís job... lol.<br><br>Excuse me while I go listen to No Time for Caution yet again.I think most of us agree that he should've won for Interstellar but I think Dunkirk deserves it too. The work Hans and the music department did on this movie is just incredible. Must've been a lot of hard work. <br>An award is an award, Hans' 2nd Oscar is long overdue so I'd be glad to see him win. But it would be weird to see him win for THAT score, after all the greatnesses of the past 20 years. Same thing with Morricone who won his only Oscar for his very light and insignificant work on Hateful Eight. Good for the man, good for the fans, but doesn't really make sense. But have Oscars ever made sense? :-phaha hybrid :D made my dayHybrid, yes!
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Ramin DjawadiBrandon CampbellGavin GreenawayStephen Coleman
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The Great Wall
Label: Milan Records
Length: 62'07
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  1. Nameless Order (4:27)
  2. Prologue (1:49)
  3. What A Wall (3:46)
  4. The Great Wall (4:30)
  5. First Battle (7:39)
  6. Captive Heroes (1:38)
  7. A Clean Start (2:27)
  8. We Are Not The Same (3:17)
  9. Funeral Song (3:01)
  10. Foggy Loyalty (3:02)
  11. Fog And Fire (3:01)
  12. The Greed Of Man (1:57)
  13. Fools And Thieves (3:16)
  14. The Great Experiment (2:54)
  15. Bianling Boogie (3:43)
  16. Tower Tactics (4:20)
  17. Powder Rangers (3:27)
  18. Xin Ren (3:55)
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Joseph Solano reply Replies: 4 || 2017-03-23 01:55:37
Can anybody give me a list of the names of themes and motifs in the movie. I would appreciate it.


Macejko2017-03-23 08:27:55
Sure, pal.

Blue female troops theme (heard in "Nameless Order")
Great Wall theme ("What a Wall")
William's theme ("The Great Wall")
Tao Tei (monsters) theme (first heard in "First Battle")
Tovar's guitar motif (briefly heard in "First Battle")

These are the most prominent/identifiable ones.


Joseph Solano2017-03-25 18:06:14
Thanks. Would the Blue Female Troops theme be considered Lin Mai's theme as well? And does Damon's character have a theme?


Macejko2017-03-25 21:46:35
I would need to rewatch the movie to be absolutely sure she doesn't have a separate theme. And the name of Damon's character is William, his theme is listed above :)


Joseph Solano2017-03-28 02:08:15
I wanted to see the movie and never did. Now I know what to listen for when I see it. Thanks for the help!

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 1 || 2017-03-05 01:32:39
This score is a lot of fun, honestly. Ramin has written better individual pieces than anything here but I'd say this is his most consistently entertaining album, never really gets boring (although sometimes I feel like he does sort of run out of ideas for action music rhythms and falls back on the same type of percussion a lot). Especially the first five tracks are great stuff, just very fun and entertaining. Love the Chinese choir additions.

Macejko, Mr. Djawadi Fanboy, you've been uncharacteristically quiet about this one, what did you think?


Macejko2017-03-05 10:14:35
Well Edmund my man, I obviously loved this album as well and I think that if we take GoT 6 out of the equation, this is Ramin's best score of the last year.
The first half of the album is a pure bliss for me, and although the second half doesn't pack that powerful of a punch, it's still great. After seeing the movie itself I was pleasently surprised of how many elements of the film were actually given a theme (like Pedro Pascal's character for example), albeit a small one.
When compared to Warcraft (which I also adored), that movie had sort of a primal, brute-force thing going on (obviously related to the nature of the Orcs). On the other hand, TGW is much more sweeping and adventurous and albeit a also fantasy film from the same year, I'd say those two scores are not interchangable at all. It just goes to show that Ramin puts a lot of serious thought into a movie, even if it's not a cinematic masterpiece (which, let's be honest, neither of those films were).

Michael Poleschuck reply Replies: 0 || 2017-02-19 13:01:32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bmlThSrdiQ&index=3&list=PLf zW_wEeYxk49mJ4kq_YIeYYzybMGSHz0

And here's a little one behind-the-scenes!

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 3 || 2016-12-18 00:09:37
Epic score.
A favorite together with Warcraft and Gears of War 4.


Adam Krysinski (Soundtracks.pl)2016-12-23 08:57:21
Expanded European CD Edition (with two more tracks & different cover) will be relased on January 13, 2017.


jjluffy2017-01-15 11:05:00
It would seem that it is the digital version that contains 20 tracks. There seems to be only one cd version with 18 tracks.


rockhound2017-01-16 13:44:33
i really like that end song. very nice melody. would be cool to have it on cd.

Adam Krysinski (Soundtracks.pl) reply Replies: 1 || 2016-12-23 08:57:43
Expanded European CD Edition (with two more tracks & different cover) will be relased on January 13, 2017.


Macejko2016-12-23 16:27:32
Thanks for the info, pal! I absolutely adore this score. Although it seems that there is only one track composed by Ramin, the other two appear to be songs by some chinese artists.

MB reply Replies: 5 || 2016-12-16 17:18:11
I've already listened to it. So what can I say? Nothing special. Yes, there are some interestings moments like flute and good choir. But... The main theme reminds me Backdraft and Beyond rangoon (this is not good), but in sum the score is 3 stars from 5. Badelt's Promise alot better.


Per2016-12-16 17:32:12
I hardly check out new scores anymore.. but Backdraft and Beyond Rangoon ? .. two of my favorite scores .. maybe I should try this then.

Btw. MB, do you mean the result is not good (even though Backdraft and Beyond Rangoon are), or that Beyond Rangoon (and/or Backdraft) is not good (the themes) ? Certainly Beyond Rangoon have one of the best theme(s) ever imho.


MB2016-12-16 17:42:37
Yes, I mean the result is not good (even though Backdraft and Beyond Rangoon are, which I love very much). Maybe the others don't hear the influence of Backdraft and Beyond rangoon, but I can hear it. The result is like I said, nothing special. But the other side this score hasn't the underscore crap, thats the good side. Strange thoughts))


Hybrid Soldier2016-12-16 17:46:11
It honestly sounds nothing like those scores... lol

It just sounds like Ramin, a more "actiony" Game of Thrones and less "darky" Warcraft, closer to Clash of The Titans...


MB2016-12-16 17:50:05
I mean that there are some elements in main theme which reminds these scores. That's it. I agree that its closer to clash of the titans, but more asian style.


Anonymous2016-12-17 12:57:38
I like it. Esp after the terrible Gears score this is a nice surprise.

Waymann reply Replies: 0 || 2016-12-16 10:14:53
Damn, track 4 The Great Wall is amazing!

MB reply Replies: 0 || 2016-12-15 22:05:04
This flute in Nameless order (1st half) reminds me Beyond Rangoon. This is cool)

Felix reply Replies: 0 || 2016-12-15 21:01:19
It's sounds really good :)

Waymann reply Replies: 1 || 2016-12-14 21:41:19
First tracks is here! It's amazing. https://soundcloud.com/milanrecords/ramin-djawadi-nameless-o rder-from-the-great-wall-ost


mpolonest1232016-12-14 22:15:12
Wow, honestly didn't expect this. The string writing and percussion are 100% Ramin but the instrumentation and vocals are incredible. Really looking forward to this now.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 1 || 2016-12-04 10:15:01
Thanks Frank for finding this !


Waymann2016-12-05 13:27:04
Comes out december 16 I read...

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