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Yeah, 30-ish seconds into Do You Bleed?"Reminiscent Therapy" is amazing in the way it incorporates a lot of Williams' classic stuff making it feel very natural and organic, like it's part Powell's themes, like he does with "The Adentures of Han".<br><br>This is a really great scoreHe is the chosen one, the one who will bring balance to the film music world...Thats just 'do you bleed?' with a small insert?Haha, It's as the prophecy foretold.
John Powell, the great uniter of film music fans@MrZimmerFan<br><br>I actually like Rogue One, and I do understand why it leans so heavily on the original themes. Here the themes are incorporated more as fan service, but Powell is able to do wonders with interpolating them with his material. <br><br>And something I forgot to mention, this score reminds me so much of Pan in the action sequences. The percussion and brass writing is great lolim surprised how Powell uses his ANTZ percussion in this!<br><br>The track Train Heist, Into The Maw is good example of it.<br><br>This is the only score that will please the gang at JW and HZ alike.When JWFan and HZ.com are discussing the same score....'but not as heavily as Rogue One'<br><br>Because Rogue One have conections with certain aspects or characters from the OT?<br><br>An here you have a track with three themes (or cues) with no conections with the OT, Rogue One have more sense... but the score is fricking awesome :)
So first impressions:<br><br>JP knocked this one out of the park! The whole score has this excellent swashbuckling vibe, which is surprisingly aggressive during the action sequences (entirely due to his trademark percussion).<br><br>The writing style is really interesting, it’s basically John Powell doing his usual style but with some Williams flourishes, especially during the softer cues. The Star Wars themes do return, but not as heavily as Rogue One. And of course the JW cue is great, although surprisingly structured more as an action cue as opposed to a concert suite.<br><br>And for some reason the Han theme sounds vaguely similar to Poe’s theme from Force Awakens.Let’s just say “Reminiscience Therapy”.... hold onto your seats! ;-)This score is awesome!! Powell did a great job at making a score that's differet than all the other SW scores, but still you know it's a SW score. He reprised Williams' theme brilliantly and I can't stop to listen to it!!!what about the music when batman makes it back to the cave and lex opens the case of kryptonite. cant find it in theseYeah I can't agree that Inception or Interstellar are superior pieces of scoring. Certainly not in structure, thematic development, etc. <br><br>What defined those scores is the vision behind them more so than the execution. In so many ways, that is opposite of The World's End. Interstellar is a brilliant score that managed to provide each scene with a simplistic tone, but one that captured the atmosphere behind the scenes perfectly, such as the unique use of the organ. Same with Inception with the guitars. <br><br>With a World's End, the vision is nothing special. It is a rock and roll twist to classic music. But the execution brings enormous power and gravitas to the movie.<br><br>I would sum it up by saying that in Interstellar and Inception, the creation of the music drives the movie's ideas while in At World's End, the movie drives the creation of the music.
Nazg&#251;l for Azog I will never forgive. It's not a Servant of Sauron theme, it's a Ringwraith theme, and Azog's not a Ringwraith, he's a goddam Orc, and that theme doesn't belong there, full stop. It was just put there because it sounds "epic" and would "pump up the action scene". Gondor Restored at the end is just as stupid. And the Dreaming of Bag End theme for Bilbo is indeed lovely, and would have been lovelier still if it actually appeared in the movie. Instead it just gets replaced by copy/pasted Hobbit music from LOTR instead because Peter Jackson desperately wants his audience to remember how good those movies were in lieu of the Hobbit ones being any good on their own. Needless to say it goes missing entirely from the second and third score...along with the Misty Mountains melody (the strongest theme of the first one). I still really like those scores overall but they got absolutely butchered in terms of their thematic usage in the films. Then again those movies were an absolute clusterfuck so I shouldn't be surprised.<br><br>WRT Harry Potter, the 3 note theme does work okay for Voldemort, except that there's already a longer, separate Voldemort theme in Philosopher's, one that I like even more, and which only gets used once in Chamber (when Riddle rearranges the letters). I can understand liking Chamber better than Philosopher when you compare the albums, but in terms of the complete scores there's no contest at all, Philosopher wins by a country mile because of Chamber's rehash issues (and there are some good cues missing from the album, such as the Troll and Forbidden Forest scenes).@Edmund<br>The thing with the Nolan scores (at least Interstellar/Inception) is that they are repetitive, in as much as being built heavily around the suites that I’m guessing they use to edit and temp the film. <br>And while the themes are simple I do think they are structured in a unique enough way which builds emotional resonance through the gradual increase in chords/volume/speed/etc. Even Dunkirk is a relatively simple score theme wise, but is so technically complex.<br><br>And personally I’ve never been in love with Inception. I admire it on a technical level, but outside of “Time” I find it to be a fairly cold score. Obviously what it was meant to do so not a complaint, more of a personal preference thing.You know, I actually like Chamber of Secrets much more than Philosopher's Stone. It has the best moments from that score with improved themes. (I actually like the 3 note motif for Voldemort better than it being used for the stone, it already sounded like the Sith theme from Star Wars so might as well go all the way with it.) It felt more tight, better paced, and had an overall more energetic feel to it.<br><br>The Hobbit, I'm not entirely sure where you're getting heartbreaking from. If you mean the state of its release I absolutely agree, if you're talking about its reprisals the only one I had any issue with was the Return of the King/Gondor Restored theme which had nothing to do with Thorin and Bilbo's relationship. <br><br>The Nazghul theme being used for Azog I thought was fine as he was a servant of Sauron in the movies, History of the Ring and Gollum's themes were used effectively, and the new thematic material for the first film, I thought was wonderful. The themes A Baggins of Bag-End and The Lonely Mountain song being used as a Fellowship type of theme are the greatest highlights for me.See, I don't find Inception or Interstellar (or Thin Red Line) all that "complex". Especially not compared to At World's End (how many themes are in that score, like 15? 20? Pretty much all of which show up in rapid succession during the Maelstrom battle?). The Nolan scores are more about building up around very simple conceptual ideas.<br><br>Unless you're talking about emotional complexity, which is a very different thing and not really possible to objectively judge...You know, I don't think I've ever really gotten the full story surrounding that score. I've heard conflicting reports. My personal belief is that Ross did little to no substantial composition and that all the new stuff (themes, suites, new cues and also significantly fresh arrangements of old material) is pure Williams, but that film is full of reused music from the first film (it's actually quite frustrating, not as bad as On Stranger Tides or as heartbreaking as The Hobbit, but a bit of a rehashy mess and it makes the key error of using the Philosopher's Stone motif as a Voldemort theme). That's where I think Ross comes in and was responsible for taking those cues verbatim from the first film and tweaking/rearranging them just enough to match the timings of the scenes without actually adding any of his "own" notes. His role is likely somewhere between additional music, arrangement and music editing (but as Hybrid likes to point out, oftentimes those sorts of roles are really blurred and overlapping anyways).<br><br>A guy at jwfan did an analysis that helps understand the nature of that score, but be warned, it goes *really* deep:<br><br>www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27619-finished-chamber -of-secrets-thematic-and-originality-analysis/
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Ramin DjawadiBrandon CampbellGavin GreenawayStephen Coleman
ComposerAdditional MusicConductorOrchestrator
The Great Wall
Label: Milan Records
Length: 62'07
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  1. Nameless Order (4:27)
  2. Prologue (1:49)
  3. What A Wall (3:46)
  4. The Great Wall (4:30)
  5. First Battle (7:39)
  6. Captive Heroes (1:38)
  7. A Clean Start (2:27)
  8. We Are Not The Same (3:17)
  9. Funeral Song (3:01)
  10. Foggy Loyalty (3:02)
  11. Fog And Fire (3:01)
  12. The Greed Of Man (1:57)
  13. Fools And Thieves (3:16)
  14. The Great Experiment (2:54)
  15. Bianling Boogie (3:43)
  16. Tower Tactics (4:20)
  17. Powder Rangers (3:27)
  18. Xin Ren (3:55)
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Joseph Solano reply Replies: 4 || 2017-03-23 01:55:37
Can anybody give me a list of the names of themes and motifs in the movie. I would appreciate it.


Macejko2017-03-23 08:27:55
Sure, pal.

Blue female troops theme (heard in "Nameless Order")
Great Wall theme ("What a Wall")
William's theme ("The Great Wall")
Tao Tei (monsters) theme (first heard in "First Battle")
Tovar's guitar motif (briefly heard in "First Battle")

These are the most prominent/identifiable ones.


Joseph Solano2017-03-25 18:06:14
Thanks. Would the Blue Female Troops theme be considered Lin Mai's theme as well? And does Damon's character have a theme?


Macejko2017-03-25 21:46:35
I would need to rewatch the movie to be absolutely sure she doesn't have a separate theme. And the name of Damon's character is William, his theme is listed above :)


Joseph Solano2017-03-28 02:08:15
I wanted to see the movie and never did. Now I know what to listen for when I see it. Thanks for the help!

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 1 || 2017-03-05 01:32:39
This score is a lot of fun, honestly. Ramin has written better individual pieces than anything here but I'd say this is his most consistently entertaining album, never really gets boring (although sometimes I feel like he does sort of run out of ideas for action music rhythms and falls back on the same type of percussion a lot). Especially the first five tracks are great stuff, just very fun and entertaining. Love the Chinese choir additions.

Macejko, Mr. Djawadi Fanboy, you've been uncharacteristically quiet about this one, what did you think?


Macejko2017-03-05 10:14:35
Well Edmund my man, I obviously loved this album as well and I think that if we take GoT 6 out of the equation, this is Ramin's best score of the last year.
The first half of the album is a pure bliss for me, and although the second half doesn't pack that powerful of a punch, it's still great. After seeing the movie itself I was pleasently surprised of how many elements of the film were actually given a theme (like Pedro Pascal's character for example), albeit a small one.
When compared to Warcraft (which I also adored), that movie had sort of a primal, brute-force thing going on (obviously related to the nature of the Orcs). On the other hand, TGW is much more sweeping and adventurous and albeit a also fantasy film from the same year, I'd say those two scores are not interchangable at all. It just goes to show that Ramin puts a lot of serious thought into a movie, even if it's not a cinematic masterpiece (which, let's be honest, neither of those films were).

Michael Poleschuck reply Replies: 0 || 2017-02-19 13:01:32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bmlThSrdiQ&index=3&list=PLf zW_wEeYxk49mJ4kq_YIeYYzybMGSHz0

And here's a little one behind-the-scenes!

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 3 || 2016-12-18 00:09:37
Epic score.
A favorite together with Warcraft and Gears of War 4.


Adam Krysinski (Soundtracks.pl)2016-12-23 08:57:21
Expanded European CD Edition (with two more tracks & different cover) will be relased on January 13, 2017.


jjluffy2017-01-15 11:05:00
It would seem that it is the digital version that contains 20 tracks. There seems to be only one cd version with 18 tracks.


rockhound2017-01-16 13:44:33
i really like that end song. very nice melody. would be cool to have it on cd.

Adam Krysinski (Soundtracks.pl) reply Replies: 1 || 2016-12-23 08:57:43
Expanded European CD Edition (with two more tracks & different cover) will be relased on January 13, 2017.


Macejko2016-12-23 16:27:32
Thanks for the info, pal! I absolutely adore this score. Although it seems that there is only one track composed by Ramin, the other two appear to be songs by some chinese artists.

MB reply Replies: 5 || 2016-12-16 17:18:11
I've already listened to it. So what can I say? Nothing special. Yes, there are some interestings moments like flute and good choir. But... The main theme reminds me Backdraft and Beyond rangoon (this is not good), but in sum the score is 3 stars from 5. Badelt's Promise alot better.


Per2016-12-16 17:32:12
I hardly check out new scores anymore.. but Backdraft and Beyond Rangoon ? .. two of my favorite scores .. maybe I should try this then.

Btw. MB, do you mean the result is not good (even though Backdraft and Beyond Rangoon are), or that Beyond Rangoon (and/or Backdraft) is not good (the themes) ? Certainly Beyond Rangoon have one of the best theme(s) ever imho.


MB2016-12-16 17:42:37
Yes, I mean the result is not good (even though Backdraft and Beyond Rangoon are, which I love very much). Maybe the others don't hear the influence of Backdraft and Beyond rangoon, but I can hear it. The result is like I said, nothing special. But the other side this score hasn't the underscore crap, thats the good side. Strange thoughts))


Hybrid Soldier2016-12-16 17:46:11
It honestly sounds nothing like those scores... lol

It just sounds like Ramin, a more "actiony" Game of Thrones and less "darky" Warcraft, closer to Clash of The Titans...


MB2016-12-16 17:50:05
I mean that there are some elements in main theme which reminds these scores. That's it. I agree that its closer to clash of the titans, but more asian style.


Anonymous2016-12-17 12:57:38
I like it. Esp after the terrible Gears score this is a nice surprise.

Waymann reply Replies: 0 || 2016-12-16 10:14:53
Damn, track 4 The Great Wall is amazing!

MB reply Replies: 0 || 2016-12-15 22:05:04
This flute in Nameless order (1st half) reminds me Beyond Rangoon. This is cool)

Felix reply Replies: 0 || 2016-12-15 21:01:19
It's sounds really good :)

Waymann reply Replies: 1 || 2016-12-14 21:41:19
First tracks is here! It's amazing. https://soundcloud.com/milanrecords/ramin-djawadi-nameless-o rder-from-the-great-wall-ost

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mpolonest1232016-12-14 22:15:12
Wow, honestly didn't expect this. The string writing and percussion are 100% Ramin but the instrumentation and vocals are incredible. Really looking forward to this now.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 1 || 2016-12-04 10:15:01
Thanks Frank for finding this !


Waymann2016-12-05 13:27:04
Comes out december 16 I read...

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