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final veredict?Oh dear . Where is the theme ?Comes across very likeable and enthusiastic.Now I'm even more excited!I'm on track 9 at the moment. Nothing especially memorable so far, but I do love the return of the Love Theme and Hoist the Colors.<br><br>Salazar's theme isn't as bad as I thought it would be, but it does seem to get repetative quickly. Hopefully the score isn't as blatantly bad on-screen as OST was. That film and score was a mess.
Cool insight on POTC 5 !Now that the album is out there I can easily say that I love this score. Definitely my 2nd favorite behind MoS. <br><br>Musically, much of it has that "Last Samurai/Transformers" power anthem style (with one of the themes sounding like King Arthur) but with RGW's string writing style as opposed to the bass heavy approach of those scores. The WW cello theme isn't used a whole lot, but when it gets some screen time it feels earned, and steals the show. The villain material is the weakest part, but instrumentally is pretty cool with the incorporation of the cimbalom (it reminds me slightly of Sherlock at points)<br><br>Overall, easily one of the best scores so far this year.Hans has not done this one because he was working on dunkirk at the time as far as I know. I saw the movie last night and for sure things like "What shall we die for", "One day", "Jack Sparrow", the legendary "He's a pirate" or even the bit of the musical clock/bell theme from davy jones and Calypso at the VERY end of the film are things that Hans wrote of course. In the movie itself you hear this stuff very often especially in the first hour of the movie which is packed with old themes. But Geoff Zanelli still wrote the other 60%/65% of the music so I can imagine that Hans said that they can give it to Zanelli because even if most of the themes are from Hans, he was most likely not heavily involved at the writing and scoring process. He was most likely there at the beginning of the process like Zanelli said in an interview and made sure that this story needed things like one day or the medallion calls. And he is not credited because of the fact that he was doing dunkirk and for sure his live tour and so he was like mentioned before only there at the beginning of the process and wrote/refined the new versions of one day or he's a pirate if he did anything. But i thought as well that they could have mentioned him in the credits like they mentioned Zanelly or even Steve Jablonsky in the credits of the first one or John Williams at Rogue One.I missed that, sorry! I agree with your other comment.<br><br>Jackman's contribution to the 2nd half of love suite, his rollicking orchestral mayhem in "I don't know if now is the best time" provide plenty of evidence of him imposing his style effectively on the material. <br>"Going back to ground 0" doesn't mean "make a poor movie".<br>I would like more Pirates movies, but not if they make them as bad as the 4th and 5th ones. They could have written an original story (I'm sure there are good writers out there who could have found something fresh) and started a new adventure just like the 2nd and 3rd movies did. It's not impossible.<br>But rather they just tried to remake the 1st movie. If they did it for the 5th one, why do you think they wouldn't do it for the 6th one? Judging by the post-credit scene, they are clearly not afraid of ripping off the previous movies even more... :-D
Hi Hans!<br><br>Your scores helped me pass through difficult times, in life.<br>Never heard music that touches me so deep inside.<br>Thanks - to you and your Team - and go on like this.<br>When do you come to Germany with your Team (live in concert)?<br><br>If you like to answer: atlantis42195@gmail.com<br>------------------------------------------<br>Hallo Hans!<br><br>Ein dickes Lob an Sie und Ihr Team.<br>Ihre Musik half mir, durch schwere Zeiten im Leben zu kommen.<br>Nie zuvor kannte ich Musik, welche mich derart berührt.<br>Wann kommen Sie wieder nach Deutschland, mit Ihrem Team?<br><br>Weiter so und beste Grüße, aus Düsseldorf!<br>Falls Sie antworten möchten:atlantis42195@gmail.com<br><br>Jill W.<br>Yeah... I know what you mean...<br><br>First of all, I want this movie to be a fun ride. I cannot ask of it what I would ask of a Nolan production, for once. But I know I cannot ask of this movie what I would ask of a 2nd or a 3rd part. I say this because since DMTNT begins production they (producers) hinted it was the BEGINNING of a new adventure, So they had to go back to "ground 0". And is not too difficult to guess that they'd try the Star Wars formula; POTC 5 is basically Force Awakens in its intentions at the least.<br><br>So what really put me off is the fact that all this hate will only cause to not greenlit more adventures :( , because, well.. apparently audience doesn't want this dessert anymore.If that cheesy ending was "so so cool", it's just because it's a powerful reminder of how beautiful the 3rd movie was. And even more so in comparison to this dreadful 5th outing.Yeah I made a shitty suite ! :( :( :( lolLots of people complaining about the film and the score, makes me a little bit irritated. Of course this was never gonna reach the level of the first films. It never will be, it's been 10 years. I am a hugh fan of these films and after watching the new film I felt so good. That cheesy ending was actually so so cool. The movie wasn't perfect put they did some good things in it. I haven't heard this album yet but I listened to the samples and everything I wanted on this album, I did hear those parts in the samples. Afterwards I was humming that new adventure theme all day, even how unoriginal it is. It's cool and Carina's theme is a great new addition. This score is much than On Stranger Tides maybe think about that. Let this score grow on you. Most people now base their opinion on just this suite. Honestly ? It doens't reflect the score that well.
I have yet to listen to the score, and I will after see the movie because I want to experience it on the movie itself first.<br><br>But if you read the very insightful interview with Zanelli for filmmusicamg, he talks about the "differences" between composers at RCP, and when Zimmer liked something of Zenelli its because, in Zimmer's words "it sounds so Geoff" (I think he was racalling it about Tia Dalma's theme and the tribal island music from DMC). So I think is kind of unfair to expect Geoff's music to sound very Zimmer's, realistically speaking. <br><br>I've been listening Zanelli's scores a few years now, and I think I Identify his style and his type os themes, which are not like Zimmer`s at all (talking about notes specifically)... so based on his scores I expect this to be a very Geoff Zanelli score leaning to POTC style and just a little of Zimmer.<br><br>You can see the differences in the OST album, just listen on what Zimmer composed and the listen the Spaniard's theme, which is by Zanelli.Actually, iii, I expressed similar sentiments to yours in a reply below this post. :) Hans' absence is definitely felt. <br><br>As for Jackman vs. Zanelli, I'm not sure the two can be fairly compared. Yes, Henry made interesting arrangements, but most of what he did was the love theme from POTC 3. Zanelli, on the other hand, has worked on all four films and written a couple themes. So I feel like Jackman would have had to work on more for us to really say whether he's the stronger composer for the franchise.'I think they couldn't have picked a better composer than Geoff in Hans' absence'<br><br>I disagree, Mike. The strongest arrangements of Hans' material in the franchise were Henry Jackman. <br><br>'some would argue Geoff wasn't properly credited when Hans was in charge.'<br><br>'some' would be wrong. Geoff Zanelli was credited as an additional music arranger because that's what he did. The weakness of this score's ideas in comparison to particularly the third one speaks to the importance of the primary composer. There is nothing in this score the equivalent of "Marry Me" or "Hoist the Colors" or "Jack Sparrow" or "The Kraken" or even "Mermaids". <br><br>The score misses Zimmer big time, but I suspect if the film had looked interesting he might've been tempted back. The reality is Hans (love it or hate it) has a strong musical voice and you can feel its absence. <br><br>The main new theme is boring and the dreary cello version in the end credits is a completely over-used sound these days. And the mix of the whole score is appalling - even worse than On Stranger Tides flat soundscape. How did they manage to make a 100 piece orchestra sound like a demo for an off the shelf sample library? <br><br>Everything is just another backwards step. <br>Wow! 78 minutes of score! Cool.Man, I loved this movie.
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Ramin DjawadiBrandon CampbellGavin GreenawayStephen Coleman
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The Great Wall
Label: Milan Records
Length: 62'07
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  1. Nameless Order (4:27)
  2. Prologue (1:49)
  3. What A Wall (3:46)
  4. The Great Wall (4:30)
  5. First Battle (7:39)
  6. Captive Heroes (1:38)
  7. A Clean Start (2:27)
  8. We Are Not The Same (3:17)
  9. Funeral Song (3:01)
  10. Foggy Loyalty (3:02)
  11. Fog And Fire (3:01)
  12. The Greed Of Man (1:57)
  13. Fools And Thieves (3:16)
  14. The Great Experiment (2:54)
  15. Bianling Boogie (3:43)
  16. Tower Tactics (4:20)
  17. Powder Rangers (3:27)
  18. Xin Ren (3:55)
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Joseph Solano reply Replies: 4 || 2017-03-23 01:55:37
Can anybody give me a list of the names of themes and motifs in the movie. I would appreciate it.


Macejko2017-03-23 08:27:55
Sure, pal.

Blue female troops theme (heard in "Nameless Order")
Great Wall theme ("What a Wall")
William's theme ("The Great Wall")
Tao Tei (monsters) theme (first heard in "First Battle")
Tovar's guitar motif (briefly heard in "First Battle")

These are the most prominent/identifiable ones.


Joseph Solano2017-03-25 18:06:14
Thanks. Would the Blue Female Troops theme be considered Lin Mai's theme as well? And does Damon's character have a theme?


Macejko2017-03-25 21:46:35
I would need to rewatch the movie to be absolutely sure she doesn't have a separate theme. And the name of Damon's character is William, his theme is listed above :)


Joseph Solano2017-03-28 02:08:15
I wanted to see the movie and never did. Now I know what to listen for when I see it. Thanks for the help!

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 1 || 2017-03-05 01:32:39
This score is a lot of fun, honestly. Ramin has written better individual pieces than anything here but I'd say this is his most consistently entertaining album, never really gets boring (although sometimes I feel like he does sort of run out of ideas for action music rhythms and falls back on the same type of percussion a lot). Especially the first five tracks are great stuff, just very fun and entertaining. Love the Chinese choir additions.

Macejko, Mr. Djawadi Fanboy, you've been uncharacteristically quiet about this one, what did you think?

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Macejko2017-03-05 10:14:35
Well Edmund my man, I obviously loved this album as well and I think that if we take GoT 6 out of the equation, this is Ramin's best score of the last year.
The first half of the album is a pure bliss for me, and although the second half doesn't pack that powerful of a punch, it's still great. After seeing the movie itself I was pleasently surprised of how many elements of the film were actually given a theme (like Pedro Pascal's character for example), albeit a small one.
When compared to Warcraft (which I also adored), that movie had sort of a primal, brute-force thing going on (obviously related to the nature of the Orcs). On the other hand, TGW is much more sweeping and adventurous and albeit a also fantasy film from the same year, I'd say those two scores are not interchangable at all. It just goes to show that Ramin puts a lot of serious thought into a movie, even if it's not a cinematic masterpiece (which, let's be honest, neither of those films were).

Michael Poleschuck reply Replies: 0 || 2017-02-19 13:01:32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bmlThSrdiQ&index=3&list=PLf zW_wEeYxk49mJ4kq_YIeYYzybMGSHz0

And here's a little one behind-the-scenes!

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 3 || 2016-12-18 00:09:37
Epic score.
A favorite together with Warcraft and Gears of War 4.


Adam Krysinski (Soundtracks.pl)2016-12-23 08:57:21
Expanded European CD Edition (with two more tracks & different cover) will be relased on January 13, 2017.


jjluffy2017-01-15 11:05:00
It would seem that it is the digital version that contains 20 tracks. There seems to be only one cd version with 18 tracks.


rockhound2017-01-16 13:44:33
i really like that end song. very nice melody. would be cool to have it on cd.

Adam Krysinski (Soundtracks.pl) reply Replies: 1 || 2016-12-23 08:57:43
Expanded European CD Edition (with two more tracks & different cover) will be relased on January 13, 2017.


Macejko2016-12-23 16:27:32
Thanks for the info, pal! I absolutely adore this score. Although it seems that there is only one track composed by Ramin, the other two appear to be songs by some chinese artists.

MB reply Replies: 5 || 2016-12-16 17:18:11
I've already listened to it. So what can I say? Nothing special. Yes, there are some interestings moments like flute and good choir. But... The main theme reminds me Backdraft and Beyond rangoon (this is not good), but in sum the score is 3 stars from 5. Badelt's Promise alot better.


Per2016-12-16 17:32:12
I hardly check out new scores anymore.. but Backdraft and Beyond Rangoon ? .. two of my favorite scores .. maybe I should try this then.

Btw. MB, do you mean the result is not good (even though Backdraft and Beyond Rangoon are), or that Beyond Rangoon (and/or Backdraft) is not good (the themes) ? Certainly Beyond Rangoon have one of the best theme(s) ever imho.


MB2016-12-16 17:42:37
Yes, I mean the result is not good (even though Backdraft and Beyond Rangoon are, which I love very much). Maybe the others don't hear the influence of Backdraft and Beyond rangoon, but I can hear it. The result is like I said, nothing special. But the other side this score hasn't the underscore crap, thats the good side. Strange thoughts))


Hybrid Soldier2016-12-16 17:46:11
It honestly sounds nothing like those scores... lol

It just sounds like Ramin, a more "actiony" Game of Thrones and less "darky" Warcraft, closer to Clash of The Titans...


MB2016-12-16 17:50:05
I mean that there are some elements in main theme which reminds these scores. That's it. I agree that its closer to clash of the titans, but more asian style.


Anonymous2016-12-17 12:57:38
I like it. Esp after the terrible Gears score this is a nice surprise.

Waymann reply Replies: 0 || 2016-12-16 10:14:53
Damn, track 4 The Great Wall is amazing!

MB reply Replies: 0 || 2016-12-15 22:05:04
This flute in Nameless order (1st half) reminds me Beyond Rangoon. This is cool)

Felix reply Replies: 0 || 2016-12-15 21:01:19
It's sounds really good :)

Waymann reply Replies: 1 || 2016-12-14 21:41:19
First tracks is here! It's amazing. https://soundcloud.com/milanrecords/ramin-djawadi-nameless-o rder-from-the-great-wall-ost


mpolonest1232016-12-14 22:15:12
Wow, honestly didn't expect this. The string writing and percussion are 100% Ramin but the instrumentation and vocals are incredible. Really looking forward to this now.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 1 || 2016-12-04 10:15:01
Thanks Frank for finding this !


Waymann2016-12-05 13:27:04
Comes out december 16 I read...

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