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Extremely pleased with the release, remastering, and liner booklet notes.  Nice to finally have all of this music.  Sure, some things could have been done differently, like anything else.  I'll be enjoying a thorough listen this weekend, and may watch the film again, as it's been years.The Thin Red Line >> The New World....Good for you?I don't like Hans Zimmer, James Horner is my favorite.Uhh, I don't electronic music ain't gonna work on Alita Battle Angel.
Jasha just released a neat little piano album!<br>Go check it out: https://itunes.apple .com/no/album/time-lapse-ep/1452867752My only real gripes left with the score is the somewhat uninspired choral writing (and the fact that the choir sounds like samples in a lot of moments) and the reused percussion samples from every JXL action score ever since Mad Max.After repeated listens of the score and seeing the film 3 times, I'd say now that the score is MUCH better than I initially gave it credit for.<br>Alita's theme (the 4 notes first heard at 1:53 in A Discovery) is used many times throughout the score in many instrumental varieties and variations, and used to great effect in emotional scenes<br>(I Don't Even Know My Own Name, What's Your Dream?, In Time You'll Remember, With Me, I'd Give You My Heart, What Did You Do), In the Clouds especially)<br>And do yourself a favor and get I See Church from somewhere, it's the 2nd best action track of the score after Motorball.<br>--------------------<br>In short, I would now give it a 4.5 / 5 from my previous 3 / 5Hybrid, what's the story with Finale vs. Safe Now? On this page Finale is listed as Jackman and Zimmer. On the OST page, it's Jackman, Zimmer, & Jasha Klebe. The two versions are different too. Finale has a longer intro and a big outro that makes the Time thing even more obvious. So are they two different tracks with different credits, or is Safe Now just Finale clipped short?Oh man, that's a tough question...I haven't listened to Curse of the Black Pearl in a while.... He's credited on almost every track for themes used... "Fog Bound" is the big Klaus Badelt cue from that movie (the real, 5-minute one in the movie is pretty much all Klaus I believe). <br><br>But Hans appears almost everywhere in POTC 1. Sometimes it's arrangements of his themes by the other guys, sometimes it's parts of the tunes that he wrote put directly in like he wrote them... The following scenes are pretty much directly Hans, if I remember right (this is the list I'm referencing — but as you can see, Zimmer's name is almost everywhere hans-zimmer . com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1128): <br><br>3. Captain Jack Sparrow (Hans wrote the big theme here, as well as the Jack Sparrow stuff at the end)<br>8. Breaking the Chains (more Jack Sparrow theme...) <br>17. Boarding the Dauntless (Jack Sparrow theme...)<br>24. Moonlight Serenade (Zimmer said he wrote this scene like Cinderella walking into a Metallica concert)<br> <br>Aaaaand a lot of the final fighting music is lifted directly out of the suite Zimmer wrote, so it's 90% him. But once again, his themes as arranged by other people appear everywhere. Hybrid can answer way more about all this than I can.<br>
Oh wow! That’s all really interesting. So how much of the OST is really HAnS Zimmer then???Hans was composing The Last Samurai while the first POTC was being made. He had promised Tom Cruise and Edward Zwick (might have even signed a contract) that he would only work on The Last Samurai and no other movies at that time. So while Hans agreed to write the POTC themes for Gore Verbinski, he wasn't allowed to be credited due to his obligations to the Last Samurai. So he wrote a few themes and then handed the score off to Klaus Badelt, who got the "name" credit on the score. But the whole score is really Klaus, Geoff Zanelli, Nick Glennie Smith, Ramin Djawadi, and a few others doing arrangements of the theme that Hans wrote (and Hans writing for a couple scenes incognito, like when Elizabeth first sees the skeleton pirates). Then Klaus did do the dark "Fog Bound/Underwater March" tune, as mentioned.Can’t insult me! I am genuinely curious. What’s this about The Last Samurai???I'm not saying this to insult David, but it's funny to me that even now, 16 years later, after so many clarifications from HZ and others, people still get confused because of the way POTC 1 got credited. All because Hans had to work on The Last Samurai (which is one of my favorite scores of his, so I guess it was worth the confusion).Saw the film last sunday and loved it. Also loved what Tom Holkenborg did hear. It did not felt nor 300. RoE nor Mad MAx. It's something else and loved it how it worked in context.
he is working on the new Terminator movie?! :OCredits for Dua Lipa's single "Swan Song" for the movie:<br>Written by Dua Lipa, Justin Tranter, Kennedi Lykken, Mattias Larsson, Robin Fredriksson & Tom Holkenborg<br>Produced by Mattman & RobinMy definition of a Complete score is somewhat different. My goal is to find and mix everything you hear in the movie. Some things you find, others you don't. That's always an adventure in itself.<br><br>The source cues are not hard to find, sometimes it can be tricky to find the right performance/conductor.<br><br>In the case of TTRL, it's mostly the Beam cues that are difficult to find. Francesco Lupica wrote several pieces of Beam cues specifically for the movie, 5 of them which were used. There's also the 'Concerto for Beam' written by Powell, and there's the 'Sit back & Relax' album that was used. So to me, that's a pretty substantial (and important!) amount of music  that made it into the cut, which hardly anyone ever talks about.<br><br>Anyway, maybe a future project will tackle most of these issues.So he's scoring that and the new terminator? Damn dude's getting as busy as Henry JackmanUnless they're composed by Zimmer or someone else from RCP, I wouldn't expect source cues to appear here. And there's like two tracks with Beam in the title listed, so what else would have that name?
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Mark MancinaDon HarperJohn Van TongerenBruce Fowler
ComposerAdditional MusicAdditional MusicOrchestrator
Twister (Expanded Archival Collection)
Label: La-La Land Records
Length: 64'07
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  1. Wheatfield (Film Version)** (1:26)
  2. The Hunt Begins** (3:51)
  3. The Sky** (1:03)
  4. Dorothy IV (Film Version) (1:56)
  5. The First Twister* (0:49)
  6. In The Ditch - Where's My Truck? (2:00)
  7. Waterspouts** (2:49)
  8. Cow (5:42)
  9. Walk In The Woods* (2:05)
  10. Bob's Road (2:13)
  11. Hail No! (2:43)
  12. Futility (Film Version) (2:17)
  13. Drive-In Twister** (2:57)
  14. Wakita (Film Version)** (5:19)
  15. Sculptures (Film Version) (3:06)
  16. House Visit (4:47)
  17. The Big Suck (Film Version)** (1:47)
  18. End Title** (2:20)

    ADDITIONAL MUSIC
  19. Wheatfield (Alternate) (1:33)
  20. Waterspouts (Alternate)** (2:50)
  21. The Big Suck (Alternate) (1:13)
  22. End Title - Respect The Wind§ (9:21)

*Previously Unreleased
**Contains Previously Unreleased Material
§Written & Performed by Edward & Alex Van Halen
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Bayhem reply Replies: 4 || 2018-06-28 12:41:11
IMO, easily one of the best action-adventure scores. Mancina and his team knocked it out of the park. There's not a single track that I don't like. Love them all.

Compare this score to the scores we have today and you'll see how messed up a lot of modern scores are. What happened to THAT type of music? Adventurous, exciting, beautiful.....Seems to be gone nowadays.


P.S. I still don't know why they didn't include the "Leaving Wakita" track in any of the official releases of the Twister score. I think it's only available on YouTube....ripped from the movie. Not a great quality, but I'm glad someone did it. It's an awesome track. Pure Mancina.


Mr Tweedy2018-06-28 13:26:24
The "Leaving Wakita" track is featured on this release (the "La La Land" one).
It's track 9 "Walk in the Woods".


superultramegaa2018-06-28 16:25:11
"What happened to THAT type of music? Adventurous, exciting, beautiful.....Seems to be gone nowadays."

Lost in Space, Transformers 5, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, most animated films, the Destiny videogame soundtracks, The Hobbit films, Pirates of the Caribbean 5, Blue Planet II, Solo: A Star Wars Story, the final 2 Harry Potter films, Most John Powell works...

If you're speaking purely for RCP and generic action films, the answer is Hans Zimmer devolved and the industry devolved with him. If you're speaking for artful, obscure films, those scores have almost always had little substance besides sounding nice aesthetically.


Bayhem2018-06-29 10:23:06
Mr Tweedy,

Oh, wow! Had no idea. So much for my research then......lol.

Thanks!


Bayhem2018-06-29 10:37:41
superultramegaa,


Good examples, but - as much as I love them - they're just not the same as Twister and say, Jumanji. Hell, put Braveheart in there as well. Fact is, the 90's were an AMAZING decade for adventurous, melodic, exciting, beautiful scores. Scores that "lift you up". The only recent ones that can come close, IMO, are the Hobbit scores.

The recent MV/RC scores you mentioned are solid, but they're nowhere near Twister. With Twister, there's just more meat to the bones. The music fills you up. It's very hard to explain with words. And it's something that rarely happens nowadays, at least from my perspective. Most similar modern scores just feel......emptier. And yes, I talk mainly about mainstream big Hollywood scores. I think Zimmer's Inception was the point where things kinda changed. Sound design, crazy electronics and VROOOOOOOM, BROOOOOOOM play too much of a part nowadays. You rarely get something truly melodic. A real theme. Jablosnky gets really close, Powell gets really close, but still......a lot of it feels too artificial.

Yes, I get it - things change and we can't be stuck with the 90's scores forever, but I don't think things got better with film music. It's really sad actually - Horner (one of the great melodic composers) left us way too soon, Mancina is pretty much gone from mainstream Hollywood, Rabin rarely scores......It's like most of the great "melodic composers" are gone. It's really sad.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 3 || 2016-12-30 23:09:59
Yes!!! :D

One of my holy grails, I'm especially looking forward to the orchestral lead-in for Humans Being.


Angelos2017-01-17 20:22:27
Finally, LaLaLand has done it! Many kudos to them!!!! One my holy grails as well. I've been waiting for this for ages!
Take my money LaLaLand Records! Just take it!


Kusi2017-01-17 21:06:44
There's a sample of this cue on their site :)


mpolonest1232017-01-17 23:54:49
And it sounds great! It also seems like the original end titles are included as well.

One interesting thing, the mix sounds a bit different in the samples. The percussion and brass are both more pronounced I think.

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