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And as far Zimmer scores that I don’t like for the most part, there is a small handful (Madagascar, MI2, etc.)That’s completely fair, and I honestly couldn’t defend this score and be genuine about it. I think it does help that I love this movie (despite being hard to watch) and have come to associate the music with it so much. Still, I can’t lie that I find portions of it to be incredibly effective, even when the music does become solely ambient. In terms of listenability/originality the best cue is, ironically, the 24-second “Washington” cue.<br><br>I would kill to know what Zimmer personally thinks of this score. I’m sure he had a great working relationship with Steve, hence him working on “Windows”, but I’m sure the temptrack must have been murder on his creativity...This is my least favorite Zimmer score, actually. Or else the one that I feel has the least going for it; I guess it doesn't make me mad like On Stranger Tides, but at the same time it lacks anything even remotely compelling. "Boat Trip to New Orleans" is the only halfway interesting cue and even then I don't really like to listen to it much. The experimental parts aren't interesting experiments (ooh...clapping...wow), and the Journey to the Line stuff is just tired and bland (on top of being super derivative). I get that it works in the movie or whatever but if I had a gun to my head with orders to delete one Hans score from my library and never listen to it again, I'm pretty sure this would be the one I'd go for.Even 5 years later, I’m still not sure how I feel about this score. <br><br>On one hand, the music complements the film extremely well. “Boat Trip to New Orleans” and “Soap” are both incredible in context, and even some of the more ambient cues are pretty effective. Alongside Interstellar probably Hans’ most minimilastic score, something which actually suits him well.<br><br>On the other hand, the Time/Journey to the Line temp is extremely blatant, and it definitely doesn’t help that 60% of the music used in film is basically a variation on that one idea (and some cues are purely sound effects). I still admire the score though, regardless of the familiarity issues.<br><br>With Windows coming out I’m very curious to see what approach will be. Personally, I like seeing Zimmer tackle a project with minimalism. Hopefully McQueen (who is a very talented director) doesn’t box Hans in with another TTRL temp... or any temp for that matter.Are you going to visit Russia?!) We are waiting for very much!)
He posted it before this site added the tracklist.Did you just copied and paste the tracklist above? lmaoThe reprise of "Batman on Fire" from Begins (1:59-2:30 in the Transfiguration suite) is good stuff! I wonder why Hans decided to reuse that particular idea.When are we going to see you in Chicago?Indeed, this score reminds me — in a good way — of The Rock.
Track 11, Onwards, here is my most favorite cue from the CoH franchise. It has that old school "power anthem" thing going on about it with full force. I truly wish this style is brought back to life again soon.Are there any more tour dates planned?Lord of the Rings - Shore<br>Battlestar Galactica - McCreary<br><br>Both are up there as my two favorite collection of works. GOT doesn't even compare to BSG. <br><br>For solo albums, my candidates are:<br><br>Titanic<br>The Lion King<br>Interstellar<br>Memoirs of a Geisha<br>Jurassic Park<br><br><br> <br><br>@superultramega<br>Honestly I feel like most of the issues with AUJ (and the other two hobbit films) were stemming from Peter Jackson editing the hell out of the music after the fact. It could be why they ended up dumping some themes in the following films.<br><br>Still, I don’t understand some of the criticism that the Hobbit trilogy scores received. DoS has some of the best action material imo, and the interpolations of Smaug’s theme(s) throughout the films are personally some of my favorite music from any LoTR project.<br><br>And this might be controversial, but I would put PoTC (the first three at least) on the level of Lord of the Rings in terms of the sheer amount of themes and development they receive. Maybe not quite as complex but they shouldn’t be overlooked.The Lion King and The Last Samurai are good choices, but I'm not as much of a fan as Zimmer's aesthetic or thematic work nearly as much as Howard Shore, or even Jablonskly at times. Game of Thrones I still can't comment on as I've never watched the show, or payed attention to Djawadi in general.<br><br>I would say Shore's heart wasn't in Desolation and Five Armies, but to say that about Unexpected Journey doesn't really feel right to me. Even themes like Gondor Restored and Nazgul's uses have some logic to them. <br><br>Gondor Restored was also used when the Ring is destroyed, meaning it also has a secondary meaning of victory against evil, (yes I know it affected Gondor too, but Gondor it isn't as direct). Which also applies in The Hobbit, as Bilbo saving Thorin was not only important for their relationship but also the future of Middle Earth as Thorin is vital to the battle against the orcs in Five Armies. <br><br>The Nazgul theme also makes sense as its first appearance is in Fellowship's opening, playing over Sauron's army of orcs, then Sauron himself. So it's linked both to Sauron himself and his servants, which includes Azog. Plus the version that plays in the film is the exact same variant (and lyrics) that plays in the Fellowship prologue. It serves almost as a precursor to the Nazgul. Plus I don't see why themes can't have several meanings anyway.  <br><br>Plus I love most of the new themes of AUJ (before they were abandoned in later films).
Not really a fair comparison, Hybrid, since videogames as a medium are much younger than films, and their scores weren't using real orchestras right until... mid 90's, would be my guess (feel free to correct me, guys).<br><br>The all time best film score for me would be a battle between The Last Samurai and Lion King. If "movie" includes TV shows, then it's Game of Thrones without a doubt, but I'm not gonna have this argument again ;)<br><br>Btw. I wouldn't mention Hobbit in the same sentence with LotR, even music-wise. A couple of great cues cannot hide the fact that Shore's heart wasn't in it.IS * lion kingBest film score of all time in lion king. Without any doubt. ;-)Can I just add, the album presentation for MW2 is really lame? It's a big, dare I say "epic" score in the 1990s Media Ventures mold. I think it's really solid. There are lots of different ideas from the first mission to the last, and a lot of them are written in the power anthem style that Hans ans co. don't really use much these days. Even Opening Titles is a throwback for Hans himself. <br><br>Unfortunately, almost none of the music as heard through the game is here. Instead, we got a bunch of shortened theme suites. :P<br><br>But the Gulag mission, the oil rig stuff, The Enemy of My Enemy, and lots of other missions all have pretty engaging and powerful music. I wish the RCP guys would do scores like this one more.Lord of the Rings (and even The Hobbit), are the only film scores that I'm buying an entire book for, just to fully understand the themes and motifs.
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Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales
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  1. Dead Men Tell No Tales (1:51)
    Geoff Zanelli
  2. Salazar (4:27)
    Geoff Zanelli
  3. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel (3:59)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  4. You Speak Of The Trident (1:58)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil
  5. The Devil's Triangle (2:45)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  6. Shansa (3:12)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  7. Kill The Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait (4:50)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  8. The Dying Gull (1:01)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  9. El Matador Del Mar (8:05)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  10. Kill The Sparrow (6:16)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  11. She Needs The Sea (2:32)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  12. The Brightest Star In The North (6:00)
    Geoff Zanelli
  13. I've Come With The Butcher's Bill (6:41)
    Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)
  14. The Power Of The Sea (4:07)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  15. Treasure (5:43)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  16. My Name Is Barbossa (5:34)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  17. Beyond My Beloved Horizon (2:41)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
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Peter reply Replies: 2 || 2018-01-27 17:01:33
When will the album in the version "Complete Motion Picture Score", "Expanded Motion Picture Score", or maybe "Recording Sessions"?

I can not wait


Hybrid Soldier2018-01-28 08:04:32
Today


Snoke 2018-06-06 01:34:54
Yeah still hasn’t came out and are you a composer yourself Hybrid Solider? I see talking about your credits on some scores. And you seem to work on this website a lot.

Peter reply Replies: 3 || 2017-10-23 16:24:43
When Will Complete Motion Picture Score


Mandarin2017-10-23 20:18:29
Soon™
Soon™ - when disneys want.
Actually the number of tracks isn't even leaked. Complete score for "On Stranger Tides" was in 2012, maybe we'll see DMTNT in 2018


Mandarin2017-10-23 20:20:10
Sorry, complete for "On Stranger Tides" was in 2015...
"crying..."


Peter2017-10-23 22:15:55
I am doing the private Complete Score With SFX album for myself, I am separating scenes, where the music is playing, I am holding the Original of the Film of course Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Men Tell No Tales - Salazar's Revenge. And I am asking, since I don't know how works are called, and in the film the music is probably interfacing, there are no breaks.
Sorry, I am from Poland and with difficulty for me with English
I am doing everything through explain the Google

Snoke reply Replies: 4 || 2018-06-06 01:37:28
Ok it’s been a Year I’ve patiently waited for the complete score and all of be got was SFX ones off youtube come one we want the complete score. I want that first part with the Dutchman and when it turns to One Day. And some other cues.


Iamtommie2018-07-03 21:24:41
Is there anybody who knows something about a complete score. I know these sort of thing don't get officially released, but it's on my no. 1 of complete scores right now. There is so much stuff missing from the album.

If necessary, I'm even willing to pay for it. I desperatly need this!!!

Anyone?


mpolonest123 2018-07-03 22:19:44
Honestly I haven’t heard anything yet, although I’m sure there are some who have it. Ironically this is still the best album presentation of a pirates score, which is not to say there isn’t some good material missing.


mpolonest123 2018-07-03 22:20:58
Apparently Dunkirk is out there, although it’ll probably be a while before that drops...


Snoke2018-07-31 02:49:23
I agree I’m just slowly waiting it’s not long until some guy with the movie and a computer releases a non SFX complete score. Just release the damn score Zaneli and RCP.

Jean-Luc reply Replies: 0 || 2018-07-22 17:29:02
Last Night, I edited for the Traffik's score DVD sfx by Geoff Zanelli it's an okay score, but it's more like mystery music.

Here's the unreleased score

1.DVD Menu - 0:58
2.Logo - 0:58
3.Everything's Gonna Work Out - 1:16
4.The Northern Pines - 0:41
5.It's Your Lucky Day - 0:30
6.Car Chase - 0:52
7.Brea & John Riding Together In The Car - 0:27
8.Vacation House - 1:30
9.Human Trafficking - 0:24
10.Give Me The Phone! - 0:39
11.It's The Basement & Darren's Death - 2:22
12.Find The Case - 0:16
13.Should We Check It Out? - 0:25
14.Upload The Information To The Computer - 1:44
15.Biker Guy Shot The Old Man - 0:20
16.John's Death - 1:25
17.Nice And Slow - 0:38
18.Malia & Brea In The Tunnel - 0:49
19.Brea Escapes From The Tunnel - 1:03
20.Brea Finds Another Gas Station - 1:16
21.Call The Police - 0:37
22.Cops Rescue The Trafficked Women - 1:33



John reply Replies: 1 || 2018-05-28 10:49:59
Why hans zimmer himself didn’t score the movie?


Max Potcats2018-05-28 11:10:07
Issues with Bruckeimer, Verbinski wasn't involve, his Tour, he read the script :P

Oscarilbo reply Replies: 0 || 2018-04-04 22:52:45
Hybrid...
Do you know or intuate any particular reason on why did the Salazar's theme from POTC 5 sounds almost note for note like the intro "theme" from Blackbeard in POTC 4?

My first thought was that Zanelli himself wrote that part on Pirates 4, but apparently he wasn't involved in that one at all. So... It's odd because, I mean, it's POTC Universe of course, but there must be something other than mere "coincidence" I guess.

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 5 || 2018-04-03 18:57:11
Is it fair to say the many RCP guys vary considerably with how much they think their contributions with Hans "matter"?

Looking at Geoff Zanelli, for example, he seems to be very forthright with saying (or at least claiming, but I'm sure he's being honest) that "these are my contributions, this is my musical voice in Hans' score," etc... And Hans doesn't even get a "themes by" credit on POTC 5, even though themes and sometimes whole cues from Hans and co. get reprised.

But then we have people like Lorne Balfe, who also do a lot with Hans but don't really mention their involvement like it was significant. On Inception, for example, Lorne talks about being the producer of the score, "and I did some additional writing on it." But from conversations on this site, it sounds like that's a bit of a...modest assessment.


George2018-04-03 19:53:55
Maybe my opinion is completely wrong, but maybe GZ is more vocal about his credit because he’s still trying to break out on his own and get a major film to work on other than pirates? Balfe, on one hand, is well on his way and is getting major film deals... same with Henry Jackman, Ramin Djawadi, Steve Jablonsky, etc... so they don’t feel the need to point out “I did that on this Zimmer score, blah blah blah.” but Zanelli, on the other hand, hasn’t really had a break out major film score other than Pirates 5, which I really like. But he’s still trying to get his voice out there, which is maybe why he’s more vocal about what he wants credit for, like in Lone Ranger and Pirates.

Again, that’s just a thought... I could be completely wrong lol.


Edmund Meinerts2018-04-03 20:23:31
Maybe, George, but at the same time it could just be a matter of differing personalities. Perhaps Balfe is more modest and prefers to downplay his role, whereas Zanelli is proud of what he has composed and wants people to know what his work is. Not trying to say that one or the other is a better person or that their way of doing things is right, mind you, just that people are fundamentally different and handle things in different ways.


superultramegaa2018-04-03 21:26:24
Edmund are you saying that you hate Balfe? Edmund your opinions are boring don't you know that? Are you putting Balfe fans down? Are you saying Zanelli is better than Balfe?????

*Trigger Overlay as Peter and Andrew enter the thread*


Edmund Meinerts2018-04-03 21:40:03
Balfe's PR agency doesn't pay Peter and Andrew to enter other threads, I doubt they'll show up here


superultramegaa2018-04-03 23:10:36
We can only hope. As for the credits situation, I think George is right because I've seen the same behavior with Jablonsky. Now that he has a well known franchise and sound people know him for he's been very casual whenever he mentions his credits to Zimmer projects. Like when he mentioned Pearl Harbor in an interview and said nothing more than "I wrote a lot of cues for that one". He barely mentions them like Balfe and Djawadi.

However it's also very possible it has to do with differing personalities too as Jablonsky has been known to be a very humble and unpretentious person about his work. I don't know as much about Ramin and Lorne, but it may be a similar situation there.

Trace reply Replies: 0 || 2018-04-02 20:59:57
in the 4th trailer of dead men tell no tales,
the song that plays after
"What a Horrible way to live!"
It is so epic.
what is it called?
will it be in the full score?

Homer reply Replies: 5 || 2018-02-26 18:36:55
Was there a specific reason Hans didn't return to score Pirates 5? Did he have a bad time on 4? Would he return for 6 if Gore Verbinski directed?


Max Potcats2018-02-26 21:03:56
Well, Hans was working on Dunkirk and preparing his tour then. Or maybe he just red the script of P5 :P


MrZimmerFan2018-02-26 21:24:24
Or still piss of with Bruckheimer


Olive2018-02-26 23:08:38
Did he pissed with Bruckheimer?


Bukowski2018-02-27 14:03:17
Zanelli did most of the work for the other sequels so he let him take the lead this time. Still sounds like a corporate soundboard to me.



Bibi2018-02-27 14:17:37
I think if we ask me to do just a "best-of" of my precedents scores without any cohérence and entirely based on temp-tracks... I will never sign for any sequel again.

ak reply Replies: 2 || 2017-12-19 18:59:06
I wonder why they didn't use Jack's action theme from DMC. There were many moments in the film where it would've worked


Iamtommie2017-12-19 20:07:02
It's the bank heist. When Jack is pulled back by rope and lands on his chest.



james (now james callahan)2017-12-20 02:57:06
Even though I really liked the current theme for Jack and put it up together as one of the best themes of the franchise, I also missed and missed the cello melody of the previous entrances and the comic subthene played by the flutes.

George reply Replies: 0 || 2017-12-04 18:34:16
I honestly like this score a lot but man whoever mixed this needs to be fired. I feel like maybe Zanelli wanted so many things to be heard in the score which, in my opinion, muddled it up a bit and “frontloaddd” it, meaning there is a lack of depth to these tracks and makes it sound kinda flat :/ I’d pay good money for someone to re-master this score.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 3 || 2017-10-29 11:06:43
And if you want the full cuesheet (no, don't ask "when leak ? when leak ?", it's just a cuesheet lol) :

PROLOGUE
Geoff Zanelli

FATHER AND SON
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

9 YEARS LATER - DEVIL'S TRIANGLE
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

GHOST ATTACK
Geoff Zanelli

CONFESSION
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

CHASE CARINA
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

NO WOMAN HAS EVER HANDLED MY HERSCHEL!
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

BANK HEIST
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

MY BANK Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

NO LONGER OUR CAPTAIN
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

SPEAK OF THE TRIDENT
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil

WASHED UP JACK Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

COMPASS
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

JACK ARRESTED
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

SILENT MARY ATTACKS PIRATE SHIP
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

CARINA WRITES ON WALL
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

HENRY FINDS JACK
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil

MESSAGE FROM SOMEONE YOU KNOW
Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)

DIVERTIMENTO IN E-FLAT MAJOR FOR STRING TRIO
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (W.A. Mozart)

BARBOSSA IN CABIN
Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)

ARRIVAL TO EXECUTION SQUARE - GUILLOTINE
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

KILL THE FILTHY PIRATE - EXECUTION SQUARE
Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)

LAUNCHING THE DYING GULL
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

UNREASONABLE DIRECTION
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

BLUFFING AND BLUSHING
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

SCARFIELD WANTS THE TRIDENT
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

JACK AND HENRY
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

SCIENCE OR SUPERSTITION
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey

FLASHBACK
Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)

HOROLOGIST
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

SHARK ATTACK
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

CAN'T STEP ON DRY LAND
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

THE ANSWER IS ON THAT SHIP
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

IT'S YOUR WEDDING DAY
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

KISS THE BRIDE
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

DOUBLE-CROSS THE DEAD - RELEASE THE BLACK PEARL
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

SHIP RACE A
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

SHIP RACE B
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

ORPHAN - BRIGHTEST STAR IN THE NORTH
Geoff Zanelli

THE TRIDENT WILL BE MINE CANNON BATTLE
Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)

BLACK ROCK ISLAND - TRIDENT
Geoff Zanelli

HENRYZAR
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

TREASURE
Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)

MY NAME IS BARBOSSA
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

REUNION
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

MAIN ON ENDS
Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)

THE TRIDENT WILL BE MINE CANNON BATTLE (END CREDITS)
Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)

FLASHBACK (END CREDITS 1)
Geoff Zanelli

NO WOMAN HAS EVER HANDLED MY HERSHEL! (END CREDITS)
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

BANK HEIST (END CREDITS)
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

FLASHBACK (END CREDITS 2)
Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)

BARNACLES
Geoff Zanelli


Iamtommie2017-10-29 12:11:24
Thanks thanks thanks!!! This is awesome!!


mpolonest123 2017-10-29 14:17:18
Thanks for this! It’s a shame the full bank chase cue and the variations on “Barbossa is Hungry” were never released.


Mandarin2017-10-29 15:54:35
Thanks!! Guess, it's sfx...

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 1 || 2017-10-26 11:01:05
Composer credits !


David2017-10-27 05:30:45
Thanks!!!! :D

No themes by Klaus Badelt though? Or Blake Neely? :(

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 10 || 2017-05-31 18:06:24
Honestly this score has been growing on me. Granted, it's definitely not in the same league as the other three but I do have to give Zanelli props for treating the material with respect and putting some actually effort into it. Even the themes, which I didn't really grasp the first few listens, have begun to stick with me (particularly the 'trident' motif). It's one of those scores where repeated listens definitely improve the experience.

I think one of the big issues that I've noticed is that Zanelli's writing style doesn't seem to mesh as well with the previous Pirate tunes. The recording mix certainly doesn't help either. The overall sound somewhat lacks that beefier Zimmer style which, to a degree, is understandable. Also, whoever forced the temp of Beckett's death in "Treasure" should be flogged.

Last but not least, I think this album certainly could have benefitted from some more suite type cues, assuming Zanelli wrote any. Say what you will about Zimmer inundating his albums with suites, at least it gives you an idea of the development of themes for that particular score. Just my two cents.


PLEASE2017-05-31 18:46:03
does anyone know the song that pays on the string quartet when they first introduce Barbossa in the movie?

He is eating what looks like marshmellows and scratching his head during this scebe. Please guys!


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 19:44:14
I keep wondering why anyone would feel like that about the new themes when Zanelli himself wrote several themes throughout the whole franchise?

His themes (at the least) includes Tia Dalma theme, the Music Island from DMC and The Spaniards theme from OST, and nobody said anything about not "meshing" well. I think if Zimmer had written them, maybe would have been criticized for not being as catchy as the main ones, but not for not matching with the rest.

Besides, I don't remember any of the main themes of the whole saga learned and sticked with me after several listens. I do loved them immediately the first time I watched the movies and listened to the albums, but couldn't humble them after a while (specially my favorite theme of all which is the AWE main theme. Same happened with The Force Awakens new themes).

So I think they are good-to-great themes, just wait a little longer.


mpolonest123 2017-05-31 19:58:48
I never said the themes themselves don't mesh, moreover the writing style/orchestration/recording mix of this particular score. Understandably, Geoff Zanelli isn't Hans Zimmer so obviously DMTNT isn't going to sound like Zimmer. But I do find it somewhat interesting that the previous Pirate scores, despite each having about 8 or 9 different composers on the team, always had a cohesive sound.

When listening to them as a whole (without the credits included) you can't always necessarily point out individual voices in the score as far as style or orchestration (such as that's a Zanelli or Jackman cue). That's one thing Zimmer has always excelled at, being able to write music in a group setting and always pull it together with one distinctive sound and cohesiveness. When I listen to this album I can obviously hear it not being from the same group that did Curse of the Black Pearl and so on.

It might sound like I'm complaining but I do like the fact that Zanelli wrote this in his own voice. I just feel like the reprises of previous themes do somewhat expose the differences in style and whatnot. But hey, that's just me. Overall I genuinely like this score, even the Salazar theme has grown on me (and to be fair I never really cared for Blackbeard's tune)


mpolonest1232017-05-31 20:01:21
And to clarify one thing, I do know that you can hear some DNA of the different ghost writers in the previous scores, but each cue meshes insanely well together without feeling like a team effort as opposed to TASM2 or Rango.


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 20:42:17
Oh I see.. sorry, I understand you better now.

And yes, I totally agree with you... it sounds different, but I think, by the interviews with Zanelli, you can tell is not by accident. In fact, for me at least, it sounds closer to a wider orchestral soundscape quality if you will than previous POTC scores. Which if you listen to pasts Zanelli's works you'll find more understandable (his personal musical preferences leans a little bit more towards classical than Zimmer's)

I listened the score with my Senn HD598 headphones and contrary to what others say, I found it to be a more breathable, wider, and orchestral recording than the previous soundtracks.


mpolonest123 2017-05-31 21:26:25
Yeah, I definitely agree. It has (for lack of a better word) a more swashbuckling sound as opposed to the faux rock style of the first two or the epic movements of AWE.

And DMTNT would definitely have sounded different regardless of who wrote it. Imagine a Lorne Balfe take on the idea. Or a John Powell. Or a Junkie Xl (lol)


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 21:56:25
Exactly! ... liked the expression; a bit more of a "swashbuckling sound" is just what I tried to say. If I recall correctly is part of the "freshness" they wanted to "reboot" with this franchise.

And yeah, definitely it would have sounded different with any of those.



MrOLX2017-06-26 15:11:32
This theme is probably Branderbourg Concerto no. 3.


MrOLX2017-06-26 15:19:45
Oh, theme is Brandenburg Concerto no. 3, no Branderbourg Concerto no. 3.


mpolonest123 2017-09-16 02:18:43
Just saw the film recently and boy, what a mess. In some ways it’s worse than Stranger Tides, mainly because the writing comes across as fan fiction and you can tell that they put effort into making it, which increased my personal disappointment.

The score on the other hand, after hearing it in context, is incredible. While my issue with the recording mix still stands, Geoff knocked it out of the ballpark. Each theme is used correctly and actually receive development throughout. And there are SEVERAL unreleased cues that stood out to me. The only reason I want this franchise to continue is to hear what else he would write lol

David reply Replies: 3 || 2017-07-25 10:15:50
Doesn't beat the first three films, however, I think this score is brilliant in its own right. I love the new themes Zanelli brought to the table (Carina/Barbossa theme, Salazar's theme, Adventure theme, etc.) and he did a fantastic job at blending old and new music to create something that sounded unique, yet classic at the same time. Cannot wait until the Complete Score is released.

I would say On Stranger Tides is my least favorite score (although it has some fantastic cues and themes (Blackbeard's theme, Angelica's theme, Spanish theme, etc.). Just felt like it was really missing the heart and emotion of the first 3 scores, which Dead Men Tell No Tales brought back. Honestly, it's still a fantastic score, and much better than the majority of blockbuster soundtracks I hear today.


David2017-07-25 23:32:25
Oh great, there's another David! :/

It's funny you and Everan (over on the TF5 page) think the complete scores for these films will be getting "released"! :P


Everan2017-07-26 02:27:59
Never said they will be released, I said might.


David2017-07-26 12:05:47
When I say "released" that doesn't necessarily mean in a...legal sense

Catastrophic Jones reply Replies: 3 || 2017-07-21 01:40:42
Having gotten the chance to meet Geoff a couple months back at the ASCAP Expo (albeit very briefly) it was clear he was very enthusiastic about working on Pirates, and even The Lone Ranger which the Disney soundtrack executive tried to silence him on talking about lol While nothing will ever compare to the original trilogy, score wise and film wise, this is a very nicely executed extension of the music in the world of Pirates. It's on the scale of honoring the original style and themes while injecting some new material much like what Giacchino did with Rogue One, which I happened to have liked as well. It's not meant to be the kind of score that stands out as 'unique and different', it's about honoring the tradition. I look forward to hearing what else Zanelli has to offer in the future.


Callahan2017-07-21 01:54:17
Yes. PoTC 5 is not the best score of the franchise, but it sure is, until now, the best CD that RC / MV produced in the year.


Hale2017-07-21 13:31:50
Wonder Woman wasn't too bad :D


Callahan2017-07-21 15:44:49
I agree, but this one is much better.

romuald reply Replies: 6 || 2017-07-10 19:20:55
Hello,

Anyone can tell what is the instrument used in Dead Men Tell No Tales at about 1:00, I like it.

Regards

Romuald


James2017-07-10 19:40:06
A duduk.


Max Potcats2017-07-10 23:14:36
Wasn't it used in Gladiator and in At World's End (at the end of the discussion with Keith Richard and Sparrow ?). Sounds like


James2017-07-10 23:57:55
Indeed


Iamtommie2017-07-11 10:06:51
It's also used in the first Narnia. In a Narnia Lullaby. This is what Tumnus is playing in his house.


romuald2017-07-11 10:26:10
Thank you everybody, what a cool instrument!!! Could I find a plug in with this instrument???

Romuald



Patrick2017-07-11 13:41:10
There are some VST plugins, e. g. as part of the Quantum Leap East West RA Collection by Soundsonline (~300$), Desert Winds by Bestservice (~111€) and Ilya Efimov Armenian Duduk (~70€). There are also some free ones, but their sounds is more or less MIDI ringtone quality, e. g. "Oriental Scale" (vst4free.com/free_vst.php?id=417)

Nick reply Replies: 4 || 2017-06-25 10:32:24
I must be the biggest weirdo in all of film score history, because the highlight of DMTNT for me was "I've Come With the Butcher's Bill." It resonated instrumentally, most notably that badass cello (?) at around the 2:35 mark, it was the perfect blend of old and new themes, and best of all, it sounded like a swashbuckling theme. As much as I loved the action cues in the first three, I sometimes felt that they resembled a Latin hell choir more than a traditional pirate piece, especially AWE. It's good listening, but sometimes it sounded more like Gregorian Chanters of the Caribbean. :P
I seriously blast Butcher's Bill out loud on the highway, I love it so much.


mpolonest123 2017-06-25 16:01:17
Not at all! ; ) That's one of my favorite tracks as well. I would also throw in the major chord progressions of the Trident theme in "Power of the Sea" and the INSANE electric cello statement of Salazar's theme at 3:00 in "Kill the Sparrow". Great workout tracks!


Hybrid Soldier2017-06-26 16:37:41
That cue is Mazzaro !


...2017-06-26 17:05:02
Does anyone notice the Barbossa/Beckett theme from On Stranger Tides at 1:52 in "Shansa"?


Medigo2017-06-27 18:15:00
shame the movie decided to apparently remove the electric cello Salazar rendition
boo!

PLEASE reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 18:46:56
does anyone know the song that pays on the string quartet when they first introduce Barbossa in the movie?

He is eating what looks like marshmellows and scratching his head during this scebe. Please guys!


MrOLX2017-06-26 09:13:16
Probably Branderbourg Concerto no. 3

David reply Replies: 2 || 2017-06-06 07:34:21
Hey Hybrid is there any chance you could update the tracklist with which pieces contain material written by HZ & Co from the previous 4 films? Please?


Iamtommie2017-06-21 00:09:06
1. "Dead Men Tell No Tales" 1:50
2. "Salazar" 4:33
3. "No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate") 3:58
4. "You Speak of the Trident" 1:58
5. "The Devil's Triangle" 2:45
6. "Shansa" 3:12
7. "Kill the Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate", "Jack Sparrow" and "Hoist the Colours Suite") 4:50
8. "The Dying Gull" (includes elements of "Hoist the Colours Suite") 1:00
9. "El Matador del Mar" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "He's a Pirate", "Jack Sparrow" and "The Medallion Calls") 8:05
10. "Kill the Sparrow" 6:15
11. "She Needs the Sea" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "Jack Sparrow", "Wheel of Fortune" and "The Medallion Calls") 2:32
12. "The Brightest Star in the North" 6:00
13. "I've Come with the Butcher's Bill" (includes elements of "Lord Cutler Beckett", "Swords Crossed" and "Wheel of Fortune") 6:40
14. "The Power of the Sea" 4:07
15. "Treasure" (includes elements of "The Black Pearl" and "I Don't Think Now Is the Best Time") 5:43
16. "My Name Is Barbossa" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "Marry Me" and "Jack Sparrow") 5:34
17. "Beyond My Beloved Horizon" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate") 2:40


Guy Fawkes2017-06-21 16:00:13
"No Woman Has Ever..." also includes The Medallion Calls and Jack Sparrow. And "Kill the Filthy" also includes Marry Me. This list is way estimated... The best thing it will be know the credits of every song, I think.

Can I Just Say... reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-21 13:32:48
That 6:09 to 6:38 of "El Matador Del Mar" was clearly temped with 6:36 to 6:59 of "Barbarian Horde" from "Gladiator". It stood out so much that I had to do a double take and replay the track just to make sure I wasn't listening to the wrong album! But overall, I have really enjoyed this album: it is a nice extension and slight development of Hans' (and others') themes from the previous movies, and Zanelli's new additions (although a bit bland and generic) really fit in musically to the "Pirates of the Caribbean" sound we've come to know (and which some of us love). I actually also like the mixing work that was done on the soundtrack: it really gives the orchestral recording a big, thick, organic sound, much more so than the previous scores which were quite synthetic (even "On Stranger Tides", with barely any synths used at all, was mixed to a degree where it still sounded relatively unnatural and overly bassy).

Leo reply Replies: 6 || 2017-06-03 12:40:26
In Dead Men Tell No Tales, what is the song that plays right after Barbossa tells Jack "Time to race the dead."? The theme plays while Jack is complaint about going away from land.


Mandarin2017-06-03 18:34:45
Unfourtanately this theme wasn't included in the OST. Seems like we have to wait for complete score.


Pirate's Life2017-06-05 13:12:17
When will be the complete score?


iamtommie2017-06-05 14:11:02
I base my answer on last years Captain America: Civil War's complete score.
Civil War also out in May. The tracklist of the complete score was on this website in October. At the end of Decemeber the complete score was released.

Maybe this will be the same with Pirates 5


George2017-06-05 15:49:06
Well I hope that in the complete score release there will be more suites. I love the new adventure theme but I would like a track with it having more play time and more development, guess we'll see though


Mandarin2017-06-06 20:49:19
Complete score is usually released all of a sudden. We will be happy if it actually is released. Still waiting for complete score of Batman v Superman and Inferno...


Nikolas 2017-06-17 23:46:46
The song you are asking is a remake of the "Barbossa is Hungry" from the first movie

Alexander reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-06 14:12:17
For anyone here who is listening to vinyl music as well, the company "music on vinyl" is now trying to get the rights to press the pirates scores on vinyl :)

James reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-06 02:20:03
Where is the suite?

dnp reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-05 18:16:57
not good

iamtommie reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-31 13:01:08
I've seen the movie twice and I concluded that "The Brightest Star In The North" is split up in the movie. In the movie in between the two pieces "I've come with the butchers Bill' is heard.


David2017-05-31 15:52:28
Having seen it twice are you able to put it in chronological order?? :D


Iamtommie2017-05-31 15:57:00
Yes, why not. I'm a filmmusicfreak, so I know most of the soundtrack by heart. So if I watch yhe movie I can easily put the right tracks under the right scene.


Medigo2017-06-01 23:26:16
the tracks seem to be mostly chronological anyway
and none of them are suites

Oscarilbo reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 22:19:04
https://youtu.be/3mUcaauaNrs

If you want to listen to a very interesting interview with Zanelli discussing not only his composer career, but his input on the POTC saga from COTBP to DMTNT to a great detail, here it is from Film.Music.Media, just released 6 days ago.


Lejti2017-06-01 15:32:12
This video is on the main page of the site.

zulu reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 16:40:58
Worst Movie & Score ever!


Alexander 2017-05-31 17:30:28
Come on it is not the worst score ever. For sure it can't lift up to "At worlds end" but with "At worlds end" the bar has been risen very high. It's a nice too hear score and it is a bit like the first one.

Jack Afrogarrix 2017 reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-30 00:08:23
Nice Music By Geoff Zanelli This Is my First Time I see The movie And Is Awsome . But With Hans Zimmer's pirates Theme plus With Salazar's Theme best movie & Score Ever


Edmund Meinerts2017-05-30 00:43:27
Best Movie and Score Ever?????? WOW!!!!1!!111!1!oneoneone1!1!


Amber2017-05-30 01:31:15
The score is good. In the same level of the first and second ones. The only problem is the weakness of the new themes.For a pirate score: 3,5/5


Mephariel2017-05-31 16:18:26
Best Move AND Score ever...WOW


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