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Shaken.... Not Stirred ;)California here. Will travel to Europe to see you. No need to come to USA. We will come to you. Best regards, GarySingle from Ben's score for The Invisible Man was released and I'm pleasantly surprised by it. https://youtu.be/f-aH9kDKVBYI’ve been coming back to “But I Will Always Be Faster” and “Sonic The Hedgehog” repeatedly, I’m genuinely impressed by how strong the writing is in both cues. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Holkenborg (mixing aside).Hi there,<br><br>i have seen that the Score (Soundtrack) will be released on 27th of march. But i would like to know somthing maybe any of you knows:<br><br>Will the Song itself be released physical as a Single CD? Or will it be available just for download?<br>Because if there will be no CD, it would be the first James Bond Song which is not released as a Single CD.
Rejected scores have gotten official releases before, such as Timeline by Jerry Goldsmith. So even if the Snyder Cut never gets released, I'd hope Junkie could potentially still work out a deal to get his original score out there. Keeping my fingers crossed.No Time to Die coming by Decca 27th March<br><br>https:// www.udiscovermusic.com/news/hans-zimmer-no- time-to-die-soundtrack/?fbclid=IwAR1UtjXatRpCQyXWJ9f7YYfT9Eb k5jy4d7XnlS6XzX4vTiOTxFfvQ0PWgaIIt all depends on whether WB releases the Snyder Cut OR no I don't even want to think about the other case & with the way things are going now it looks like we'll definitely get Zack Snyder's Justice League if not today then tomorrow and only then your question will have any meaning.<br>TL;DR the score will only happen after WB #ReleaseTheSnyderCutHybrid, Oscar Senen and Joan Martorell orchestrate the score ?Budapest, please :(
Same question here, is concert in Poland even concidered to occur?if the link doesn't work for some reason, the song is called Cliffhanger Sky High on youtubeHi All, sorry it took so long to upload, My friend helped me set up a youtube channel to upload tracks to. I am very inspired by the classic Zimmer Scores of the 90's. I envisioned A climactic rescue aboard A speeding train for this particular cue.<br>https://youtu.be/4WyMIcpqMRk <br>I avoided bringing up the TF films in this thread until AFTER you dragged them into it.<br>===============<br><br>No one dragged anything. <br><br>I briefly mentioned that franchise, among many other things you conveniently ignored (you do that a lot), to prove a simple point: that a director doesn't get to make 5 movies from the same franchise if people aren't enjoying his work. Simple as that. I never talked about the "quality" of each of those movies. Go see the comment again.<br><br>YOU picked up on this and started talking obsessively about the TF. <br><br><br>==============<br>Going after every person that doesn't like Bay and trying to obsessively "debunk" them is psychotic, yes. <br>==============<br><br>Look at your first comment here, pal. Look at it good! Snarky, dismissive, almost trollish, and with a clear intention to provoke people. Let me quote it: "Another day, another Bay film that doesn't know what fun is." <br><br>I only "go after" people who can't share their opinions in a respectful, mature way. There are a lot of comments here I disagreed with. But I never confronted those people. Why? Because they know how to properly share an opinion. <br><br>I only go after people who provoke, make fun of someone/something and troll. I've never "attacked" a person who didn't deserve that kind of response. My post history here speaks for itself. <br><br><br>===================<br>And constantly referring to other people's opinions and whinging about the box office doesn't make you objective, especially with how self-contradictory the latter has been.<br>===================<br><br>Nope. Not even close. <br><br>You're just bitter that I'm using quotes from proven, talented people like Spielberg who support Bay. What quotes can your side use? Just quotes from knucklehead film bloggers and critics who hate half of what Hollywood makes. <br><br>No one with an actual integrity and knowledge of the film business can dismiss what Bay has accomplished. You may not like his stuff, but to completely dismiss him as a filmmaker is.......moronic. Truth is, it's only small fries on the internet who are angry that their favorite mid-level directors aren't as big and successful as Bay.<br><br>That's really the bottom line. <br><br>Speaking of that, who is YOUR favorite filmmaker? Go ahead, share it with us. Let's see who is that PERFECT filmmaker you drool over.<br><br>I'm really curious.<br><br>==============<br>By your own "objective" reasoning, this would make them his worst films. But you don't acknowledge that, because you don't actually care about objectivity.<br>==============<br><br>Huh??<br><br>When did I said that box office success or box office failure means that a movie is good or bad?? I never that. So if you don't mind, stop putting words in my mouth.<br><br>Thank you. <br><br><br>==================<br>You care about faking it when it suits you, and chucking it when it doesn't<br>==================<br><br><br>Kinda ironic coming from the person who ignored the majority of the stuff I said here. Careful cherry-picking, convenient ignoring of stuff, and putting words in my mouth is apparently what you like to do. <br><br><br>================<br>What do you mean "next time?" Your first reply here was calling my opinion a joke.<br>================<br><br>Uhhhh, that's because it IS a joke. Because it is not true and because it was posted with the clear intention to provoke. You are the Negative Nancy here, my friend. Not me. Jesus Christ, even your nickname tells people exactly what they can expect from you......"Cynical Makooti". <br><br><br>====================<br>I didn't insult you for anything other than lying to win an argument<br>====================<br><br>Oh, that's true....................you're certainly not winning this argument. I mean, that's obvious. <br><br>And..... I never posted a lie. Just because "your sources" claim something different doesn't mean it's the truth. Pacific Rim wasn't a success - considering the huge expactations and the fact that the movie's budget is $200 freakin' million - and they DID try to start a franchise with 300. They failed. <br><br><br>================<br>Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.<br>================<br><br>That's rich. Coming from the guy who calls himself "Cynical Makooti". The guy who now plays the victim, even though he was the one who started this with a childish, trollish comment. <br><br>Look at my first reply to you. I was jokingly mimicking your style. Intentionally. Then you tried to be a smartass with your next reply. But EVEN THEN, I responded in a normal way with my second post. After that........you unleashed your true self. <br><br>And now, you're acting like the victim: "Poor me, being attacked by a crazy Bay fan!" <br><br>So please, don't talk about self-awareness. It ain't working.<br><br><br><br>================<br>Pacific Rim was a domestic bomb that turned things around with its international box office.<br>================<br><br>Haha, maybe you should read more Forbes. Take a look at what they said about the entire (already failed) Pac Rim universe. Read a bit more on how much money the studio lost from the first flick and why they actually went with a sequel. It ain't because the first one was a beloved hit. <br><br><br>=======<br>The Last Knight lost about $100M according to Paramount themselves. That doesn't sound like an international success to me.<br>=======<br><br>Okay, I believe you. Now, would you please share the link to that statement from Paramount. <br><br>Thank you. <br><br><br>=============<br>Maybe it does to you, but I can't speak for that little fantasy world you seem to be living in right now.<br>=============<br><br>Hey, it's certainly a better and more reasonable place than your world. A world where you completely dismiss and ignore the accomplishments of one of the biggest filmmakers out there.<br><br>What's your next claim? <br><br>That Donnie Trump is the best President in history?<br><br><br>Have a nice day!Do any of you think that Junkie's Justice League score will ever get released or leaked? I was really excited to hear how Junkie planned on developing the themes used in the prior DCEU movies. Especially the Batman themes from BVS. It's a damn shame how WB handled that film.
"Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1."<br><br>Newsflash: I avoided bringing up the TF films in this thread until AFTER you dragged them into it.  Only then did I treat them as fair game.  Considering they make up a third of his filmography, I don't see why I SHOULDN'T address them.  How convenient is it that bringing them up is only ever valid when YOU do it?<br><br>More to the point, I already said I thought his decline kicked in from Pearl Harbor onwards.  The TF films are just his rock bottom.<br><br>"So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic."<br><br>Going after every person that doesn't like Bay and trying to obsessively "debunk" them is psychotic, yes.  And constantly referring to other people's opinions and whinging about the box office doesn't make you objective, especially with how self-contradictory the latter has been.<br><br>Pain & Gain and 13 Hours, his supposedly best films, also have his lowest box office turnouts.  13 Hours was a flat-out bomb.  By your own "objective" reasoning, this would make them his worst films.  But you don't acknowledge that, because you don't actually care about objectivity.<br><br>You care about faking it when it suits you, and chucking it when it doesn't.<br><br>"Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything."<br><br>What do you mean "next time?"  Your first reply here was calling my opinion a joke.  You already have this method down.  You're just too dishonest to admit it.<br><br>Notice how I avoided accusing you of anything until AFTER you started outright lying about movies and flaunting it as objective fact.<br><br>You insulted ME first, pal.  I didn't insult you for anything other than lying to win an argument.  Not for your opinions, not for your celebrity crush, for being a disingenuous twat. <br><br>Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.<br><br>"Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality."<br><br>Then it's a good thing I never quoted a single one of those, let alone as objective proof, isn't it?<br><br>Man, appeal to authority, appeal to popularity, mistaking correlation for causation, slothful induction, strawmanning, I could make a bingo game outta this.<br><br>"So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?"<br><br>Not "according to me."  According to the studios that make the actual films.  And Forbes.  Remember Forbes?  You considered their word inarguable fact a couple posts ago.<br><br>https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/09/02/pacif ic-rim-and-more-domestic-flops-that-became-global-hits/#3f3e 914d7c18<br><br>Well whaddaya know?<br><br>Pacific Rim was a domestic bomb that turned things around with its international box office.<br><br>That thing you said TF5 was but actually wasn't.<br><br>The Last Knight lost about $100M according to Paramount themselves.  That doesn't sound like an international success to me.<br><br>Maybe it does to you, but I can't speak for that little fantasy world you seem to be living in right now.<br><br>Wow!  Just wow!ThxSeville, The Bait, Ambrose Welcomes Nyah, Chimera Myth, Beach Fight, Ambrose Dies.Can we stop? I agree with the other guy more in his points, but it's clear that this is gonna keep going nowhere if you're gonna be so overly defensive about something that you claim is merely subjective.But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br>======================<br><br><br>Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1. <br><br>So no, "challenging the viewer" is not about Transformers. You chose to focus on these movies. Not me. I was actually reffering to Bay movies like The Island and especially Pain and Gain. <br><br>But I guess you like to talk only about Transformers.....Good for you. But that's not how a discussion works. <br><br><br>===================<br>Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.<br>===================<br><br><br>So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic? <br><br>Wow! Just wow!<br><br>Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything. For you, that is apparently the normal behavior.<br><br><br>======<br>Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.<br>=======<br><br>Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality. Also, a "bad" movie to you is the greatest movie for the guy walking next to you on the street. As Kevin Smith said: "Every movie is someone's favorite movie". <br><br>Let's try to keep that in mind.<br><br><br>============<br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br>============<br><br>Really?<br><br>Then what do you have to say about Pacific Rim 1. I present to you.......the pure numbers:<br><br>Budget: $200 million. And that doesn't include the marketing cost.<br>Worldwide gross: $411,002,906<br><br>So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?<br><br>Wow! Just.....wow!
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Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales
Label: Walt Disney Records
Length: 71'42
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  1. Dead Men Tell No Tales (1:51)
    Geoff Zanelli
  2. Salazar (4:27)
    Geoff Zanelli
  3. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel (3:59)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  4. You Speak Of The Trident (1:58)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil
  5. The Devil's Triangle (2:45)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  6. Shansa (3:12)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  7. Kill The Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait (4:50)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  8. The Dying Gull (1:01)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  9. El Matador Del Mar (8:05)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  10. Kill The Sparrow (6:16)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  11. She Needs The Sea (2:32)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  12. The Brightest Star In The North (6:00)
    Geoff Zanelli
  13. I've Come With The Butcher's Bill (6:41)
    Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)
  14. The Power Of The Sea (4:07)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  15. Treasure (5:43)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  16. My Name Is Barbossa (5:34)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  17. Beyond My Beloved Horizon (2:41)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
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nvictor reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-16 20:22:13
truly amazing score! zanelli shows here that he mastered the DNA of the pirates music. would love to see him talk about this series, what makes its music so unique & recognizable, etc.

i think what's happening is that there are far too many characters, each with their own themes, to focus & develop any one in particular. salazar is the exception, in both the movie and the music. his intriguing character is the reason i watched the movie. and his theme kept coming into my head months after the movie.

but yea there are too many stories being unpacked onto the viewer in just a few hours in the latest pirates. but zanelli did a great job all the same.

em reply Replies: 2 || 2019-11-03 19:47:32
I listened to this again when I saw it pop up in the comments here. Something about it still just doesn't quite work for me and I can't put my finger on it. There just isn't a strong voice. With a Hans score even when he can't be bothered writing any of the cues you can hear his direction and his 'vibe'.

This score doesn't have any vibe: maybe except for Salazar which feels like a retread of Blackbeard. It's just all rightish action music. Tbh I prefer Zanelli's additional music contributions to Pirates over his composer effort.

But in his defence... they were way better than films with a good director at the helm. And On Stranger Tides score is probably one of the worst to come out of RCP, so even having the original composer doesn't guarantee anything. It's such a shame this series rotted so much.


mpolonest123 2019-11-03 19:54:27
The writing here is phenomenal and Geoff did an amazing job keeping the spirit alive. That said, the mixing is just so flat in this score. There are so many cues that are amazing but get undercut by the lack of vibrant recording. If the “sound” was closer to the previous scores I think it would be ranked higher.


superultramegaa2019-11-04 02:22:45
Honestly, the mixing isn't even what bothered me, b/c IMO the 1st Pirates movie had terrible aesthetics as well! I mean for God's sake, this is not the franchise I come to for top of the line mixing, with the 1st film's synthy, flat style. The issue is more what em said for me.

Zanelli does have a nice original voice in scores like Christopher Robin, and can adapt his style to new series fairly well as shown by Maleficent 2, but this time it just didn't work. It feels like Zimmer, again, which wouldn't necessarily be a problem if there was compelling original themes, but there really isn't. All of the new stuff sounds like variations on old material, with very little new voice.

Salazar feels like a combo of every other villain theme, the female lead's theme sounds like a slight variation on the original Pirates 1 theme, and other atmospheric motifs feel like Pirates 4 again. The only material worth noting IMO is Zanelli's variation on Sparrow's comedic theme with added heroism, and his reuse / remakes of nostalgic pieces from the series. Except that weird remake of Beckett's death, screw that.

Not that I hate the score, it's just so blah compared to the first 3, I just don't re-listening to it. However, I agree with mpolonest that it does very much feel like a Pirates score, and along with the spirit that comes with that.

nvictor reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-03 04:14:34
i just added this score to my scores collection. i already have a few PoC scores but i kept going back to youtube to listen to the salazar's theme. it's such a powerful theme! i finally decided to get the full score :)

George reply Replies: 6 || 2019-05-22 20:43:59
Geoff is doing Maleficent: Mistress of Evil! Happy for him... glad the Pirates 5 gig opened up the Disney door for him, he deserves it :)


Knight2019-05-22 21:18:53
Geoff has done several other Disney projects besides Pirates 5. (All Pirates movies since the first, Lone Ranger, Christopher Robin, Odd Life of Timothy Green). And I have to say that I would rather JNH return for the sequel, as that would allow him to expand on his fantastic score for the first film.


George2019-05-22 21:25:45
True, but he didn’t really get credit for The Lone Ranger or any of the Pirates films other than #5... those are billed strictly as HZ scores. I would say Christopher Robin likely was a result of the success of his Pirates score, and Timothy Green wasn’t really a Disney tentpole release. Maleficent isn’t a Marvel or Star Wars level tentpole, but it is still a blockbuster film that I think he’ll do an awesome job with.


iamtommie442019-05-22 21:32:57
I was hoping for JNH, but we'll see what he does. JNH's themes were amazing zo it would be stupod not to use them. But he used the Pirates themes, so I'm feeling actually quite ok about it


HunterTech2019-05-22 23:20:43
Sure, but there's two things to consider.
1). Pirates has such an iconic sound that it'd be really stupid for them to suddenly abandon it at #5. Especially when we hired the guy who has worked on the previous 4. 2). Maleficent, as successful as it was to warrant a sequel, isn't quite as well known in the score department, despite being well received by those who have heard it. 3). Because Zanelli worked on all Pirates, he had enough familiarity with the sounds and motifs that he knew where to go once he led the ship. In Maleficent's case, he's taking over from a previous composer, and is working with a director who likely only knows his work on POTC5. As such, there's no knowing yet if he might be compelled to continue on from JNH, or if it's decided he just does his own thing.

I'm happy that Geoff at the very least has a safe career at Disney, considering two of their recent live action successes has had him involved. However, considering I hear his recently work hasn't been his best, JNH likely would've benefited from returning to a world that had some of his best material after he wasn't given the opportunity to do so with Glass. As such, it really is a severely missed opportunity, even if newer blood is getting more opportunities.


HunterTech2019-05-22 23:21:16
*3 things


mpolonest123 2019-05-22 23:39:19
Interesting news.

Geoff Zanelli is one of those composers who I’ve loved his additional music over his solo efforts, Pirates 5 excluded. I hope he gets a chance to write some great fantasy music for this, regardless if he reuses JNH’s themes or not.

ak reply Replies: 0 || 2018-10-25 06:48:16
Came across this trailer for a animated film from 2008 called Delgo, and if you go to 1:37 in the video you'll hear a very familiar theme from DMTNT. That theme can be heard in "Kill the Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait" at 1:54. And it turns out Geoff did the score for Delgo too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUpqZNlKzjs

Peter reply Replies: 2 || 2018-01-27 17:01:33
When will the album in the version "Complete Motion Picture Score", "Expanded Motion Picture Score", or maybe "Recording Sessions"?

I can not wait


Hybrid Soldier2018-01-28 08:04:32
Today


Snoke 2018-06-06 01:34:54
Yeah still hasn’t came out and are you a composer yourself Hybrid Solider? I see talking about your credits on some scores. And you seem to work on this website a lot.

Peter reply Replies: 3 || 2017-10-23 16:24:43
When Will Complete Motion Picture Score


Mandarin2017-10-23 20:18:29
Soon™
Soon™ - when disneys want.
Actually the number of tracks isn't even leaked. Complete score for "On Stranger Tides" was in 2012, maybe we'll see DMTNT in 2018


Mandarin2017-10-23 20:20:10
Sorry, complete for "On Stranger Tides" was in 2015...
"crying..."


Peter2017-10-23 22:15:55
I am doing the private Complete Score With SFX album for myself, I am separating scenes, where the music is playing, I am holding the Original of the Film of course Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Men Tell No Tales - Salazar's Revenge. And I am asking, since I don't know how works are called, and in the film the music is probably interfacing, there are no breaks.
Sorry, I am from Poland and with difficulty for me with English
I am doing everything through explain the Google

Snoke reply Replies: 4 || 2018-06-06 01:37:28
Ok it’s been a Year I’ve patiently waited for the complete score and all of be got was SFX ones off youtube come one we want the complete score. I want that first part with the Dutchman and when it turns to One Day. And some other cues.


Iamtommie2018-07-03 21:24:41
Is there anybody who knows something about a complete score. I know these sort of thing don't get officially released, but it's on my no. 1 of complete scores right now. There is so much stuff missing from the album.

If necessary, I'm even willing to pay for it. I desperatly need this!!!

Anyone?


mpolonest123 2018-07-03 22:19:44
Honestly I haven’t heard anything yet, although I’m sure there are some who have it. Ironically this is still the best album presentation of a pirates score, which is not to say there isn’t some good material missing.


mpolonest123 2018-07-03 22:20:58
Apparently Dunkirk is out there, although it’ll probably be a while before that drops...


Snoke2018-07-31 02:49:23
I agree I’m just slowly waiting it’s not long until some guy with the movie and a computer releases a non SFX complete score. Just release the damn score Zaneli and RCP.

Jean-Luc reply Replies: 0 || 2018-07-22 17:29:02
Last Night, I edited for the Traffik's score DVD sfx by Geoff Zanelli it's an okay score, but it's more like mystery music.

Here's the unreleased score

1.DVD Menu - 0:58
2.Logo - 0:58
3.Everything's Gonna Work Out - 1:16
4.The Northern Pines - 0:41
5.It's Your Lucky Day - 0:30
6.Car Chase - 0:52
7.Brea & John Riding Together In The Car - 0:27
8.Vacation House - 1:30
9.Human Trafficking - 0:24
10.Give Me The Phone! - 0:39
11.It's The Basement & Darren's Death - 2:22
12.Find The Case - 0:16
13.Should We Check It Out? - 0:25
14.Upload The Information To The Computer - 1:44
15.Biker Guy Shot The Old Man - 0:20
16.John's Death - 1:25
17.Nice And Slow - 0:38
18.Malia & Brea In The Tunnel - 0:49
19.Brea Escapes From The Tunnel - 1:03
20.Brea Finds Another Gas Station - 1:16
21.Call The Police - 0:37
22.Cops Rescue The Trafficked Women - 1:33



John reply Replies: 1 || 2018-05-28 10:49:59
Why hans zimmer himself didn’t score the movie?


Max Potcats2018-05-28 11:10:07
Issues with Bruckeimer, Verbinski wasn't involve, his Tour, he read the script :P

Oscarilbo reply Replies: 0 || 2018-04-04 22:52:45
Hybrid...
Do you know or intuate any particular reason on why did the Salazar's theme from POTC 5 sounds almost note for note like the intro "theme" from Blackbeard in POTC 4?

My first thought was that Zanelli himself wrote that part on Pirates 4, but apparently he wasn't involved in that one at all. So... It's odd because, I mean, it's POTC Universe of course, but there must be something other than mere "coincidence" I guess.

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 5 || 2018-04-03 18:57:11
Is it fair to say the many RCP guys vary considerably with how much they think their contributions with Hans "matter"?

Looking at Geoff Zanelli, for example, he seems to be very forthright with saying (or at least claiming, but I'm sure he's being honest) that "these are my contributions, this is my musical voice in Hans' score," etc... And Hans doesn't even get a "themes by" credit on POTC 5, even though themes and sometimes whole cues from Hans and co. get reprised.

But then we have people like Lorne Balfe, who also do a lot with Hans but don't really mention their involvement like it was significant. On Inception, for example, Lorne talks about being the producer of the score, "and I did some additional writing on it." But from conversations on this site, it sounds like that's a bit of a...modest assessment.


George2018-04-03 19:53:55
Maybe my opinion is completely wrong, but maybe GZ is more vocal about his credit because he’s still trying to break out on his own and get a major film to work on other than pirates? Balfe, on one hand, is well on his way and is getting major film deals... same with Henry Jackman, Ramin Djawadi, Steve Jablonsky, etc... so they don’t feel the need to point out “I did that on this Zimmer score, blah blah blah.” but Zanelli, on the other hand, hasn’t really had a break out major film score other than Pirates 5, which I really like. But he’s still trying to get his voice out there, which is maybe why he’s more vocal about what he wants credit for, like in Lone Ranger and Pirates.

Again, that’s just a thought... I could be completely wrong lol.


Edmund Meinerts2018-04-03 20:23:31
Maybe, George, but at the same time it could just be a matter of differing personalities. Perhaps Balfe is more modest and prefers to downplay his role, whereas Zanelli is proud of what he has composed and wants people to know what his work is. Not trying to say that one or the other is a better person or that their way of doing things is right, mind you, just that people are fundamentally different and handle things in different ways.


superultramegaa2018-04-03 21:26:24
Edmund are you saying that you hate Balfe? Edmund your opinions are boring don't you know that? Are you putting Balfe fans down? Are you saying Zanelli is better than Balfe?????

*Trigger Overlay as Peter and Andrew enter the thread*


Edmund Meinerts2018-04-03 21:40:03
Balfe's PR agency doesn't pay Peter and Andrew to enter other threads, I doubt they'll show up here


superultramegaa2018-04-03 23:10:36
We can only hope. As for the credits situation, I think George is right because I've seen the same behavior with Jablonsky. Now that he has a well known franchise and sound people know him for he's been very casual whenever he mentions his credits to Zimmer projects. Like when he mentioned Pearl Harbor in an interview and said nothing more than "I wrote a lot of cues for that one". He barely mentions them like Balfe and Djawadi.

However it's also very possible it has to do with differing personalities too as Jablonsky has been known to be a very humble and unpretentious person about his work. I don't know as much about Ramin and Lorne, but it may be a similar situation there.

Trace reply Replies: 0 || 2018-04-02 20:59:57
in the 4th trailer of dead men tell no tales,
the song that plays after
"What a Horrible way to live!"
It is so epic.
what is it called?
will it be in the full score?

Homer reply Replies: 5 || 2018-02-26 18:36:55
Was there a specific reason Hans didn't return to score Pirates 5? Did he have a bad time on 4? Would he return for 6 if Gore Verbinski directed?


Max Potcats2018-02-26 21:03:56
Well, Hans was working on Dunkirk and preparing his tour then. Or maybe he just red the script of P5 :P


MrZimmerFan2018-02-26 21:24:24
Or still piss of with Bruckheimer


Olive2018-02-26 23:08:38
Did he pissed with Bruckheimer?


Bukowski2018-02-27 14:03:17
Zanelli did most of the work for the other sequels so he let him take the lead this time. Still sounds like a corporate soundboard to me.



Bibi2018-02-27 14:17:37
I think if we ask me to do just a "best-of" of my precedents scores without any cohérence and entirely based on temp-tracks... I will never sign for any sequel again.

ak reply Replies: 2 || 2017-12-19 18:59:06
I wonder why they didn't use Jack's action theme from DMC. There were many moments in the film where it would've worked


Iamtommie2017-12-19 20:07:02
It's the bank heist. When Jack is pulled back by rope and lands on his chest.



james (now james callahan)2017-12-20 02:57:06
Even though I really liked the current theme for Jack and put it up together as one of the best themes of the franchise, I also missed and missed the cello melody of the previous entrances and the comic subthene played by the flutes.

George reply Replies: 0 || 2017-12-04 18:34:16
I honestly like this score a lot but man whoever mixed this needs to be fired. I feel like maybe Zanelli wanted so many things to be heard in the score which, in my opinion, muddled it up a bit and “frontloaddd” it, meaning there is a lack of depth to these tracks and makes it sound kinda flat :/ I’d pay good money for someone to re-master this score.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 3 || 2017-10-29 11:06:43
And if you want the full cuesheet (no, don't ask "when leak ? when leak ?", it's just a cuesheet lol) :

PROLOGUE
Geoff Zanelli

FATHER AND SON
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

9 YEARS LATER - DEVIL'S TRIANGLE
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

GHOST ATTACK
Geoff Zanelli

CONFESSION
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

CHASE CARINA
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

NO WOMAN HAS EVER HANDLED MY HERSCHEL!
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

BANK HEIST
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

MY BANK Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

NO LONGER OUR CAPTAIN
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

SPEAK OF THE TRIDENT
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil

WASHED UP JACK Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

COMPASS
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

JACK ARRESTED
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

SILENT MARY ATTACKS PIRATE SHIP
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

CARINA WRITES ON WALL
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

HENRY FINDS JACK
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil

MESSAGE FROM SOMEONE YOU KNOW
Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)

DIVERTIMENTO IN E-FLAT MAJOR FOR STRING TRIO
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (W.A. Mozart)

BARBOSSA IN CABIN
Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)

ARRIVAL TO EXECUTION SQUARE - GUILLOTINE
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

KILL THE FILTHY PIRATE - EXECUTION SQUARE
Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)

LAUNCHING THE DYING GULL
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

UNREASONABLE DIRECTION
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

BLUFFING AND BLUSHING
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

SCARFIELD WANTS THE TRIDENT
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

JACK AND HENRY
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

SCIENCE OR SUPERSTITION
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey

FLASHBACK
Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)

HOROLOGIST
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

SHARK ATTACK
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

CAN'T STEP ON DRY LAND
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

THE ANSWER IS ON THAT SHIP
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

IT'S YOUR WEDDING DAY
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

KISS THE BRIDE
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

DOUBLE-CROSS THE DEAD - RELEASE THE BLACK PEARL
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

SHIP RACE A
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

SHIP RACE B
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

ORPHAN - BRIGHTEST STAR IN THE NORTH
Geoff Zanelli

THE TRIDENT WILL BE MINE CANNON BATTLE
Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)

BLACK ROCK ISLAND - TRIDENT
Geoff Zanelli

HENRYZAR
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

TREASURE
Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)

MY NAME IS BARBOSSA
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

REUNION
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

MAIN ON ENDS
Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)

THE TRIDENT WILL BE MINE CANNON BATTLE (END CREDITS)
Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)

FLASHBACK (END CREDITS 1)
Geoff Zanelli

NO WOMAN HAS EVER HANDLED MY HERSHEL! (END CREDITS)
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

BANK HEIST (END CREDITS)
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

FLASHBACK (END CREDITS 2)
Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)

BARNACLES
Geoff Zanelli

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Iamtommie2017-10-29 12:11:24
Thanks thanks thanks!!! This is awesome!!


mpolonest123 2017-10-29 14:17:18
Thanks for this! It’s a shame the full bank chase cue and the variations on “Barbossa is Hungry” were never released.


Mandarin2017-10-29 15:54:35
Thanks!! Guess, it's sfx...

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 1 || 2017-10-26 11:01:05
Composer credits !


David2017-10-27 05:30:45
Thanks!!!! :D

No themes by Klaus Badelt though? Or Blake Neely? :(

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 10 || 2017-05-31 18:06:24
Honestly this score has been growing on me. Granted, it's definitely not in the same league as the other three but I do have to give Zanelli props for treating the material with respect and putting some actually effort into it. Even the themes, which I didn't really grasp the first few listens, have begun to stick with me (particularly the 'trident' motif). It's one of those scores where repeated listens definitely improve the experience.

I think one of the big issues that I've noticed is that Zanelli's writing style doesn't seem to mesh as well with the previous Pirate tunes. The recording mix certainly doesn't help either. The overall sound somewhat lacks that beefier Zimmer style which, to a degree, is understandable. Also, whoever forced the temp of Beckett's death in "Treasure" should be flogged.

Last but not least, I think this album certainly could have benefitted from some more suite type cues, assuming Zanelli wrote any. Say what you will about Zimmer inundating his albums with suites, at least it gives you an idea of the development of themes for that particular score. Just my two cents.


PLEASE2017-05-31 18:46:03
does anyone know the song that pays on the string quartet when they first introduce Barbossa in the movie?

He is eating what looks like marshmellows and scratching his head during this scebe. Please guys!


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 19:44:14
I keep wondering why anyone would feel like that about the new themes when Zanelli himself wrote several themes throughout the whole franchise?

His themes (at the least) includes Tia Dalma theme, the Music Island from DMC and The Spaniards theme from OST, and nobody said anything about not "meshing" well. I think if Zimmer had written them, maybe would have been criticized for not being as catchy as the main ones, but not for not matching with the rest.

Besides, I don't remember any of the main themes of the whole saga learned and sticked with me after several listens. I do loved them immediately the first time I watched the movies and listened to the albums, but couldn't humble them after a while (specially my favorite theme of all which is the AWE main theme. Same happened with The Force Awakens new themes).

So I think they are good-to-great themes, just wait a little longer.


mpolonest123 2017-05-31 19:58:48
I never said the themes themselves don't mesh, moreover the writing style/orchestration/recording mix of this particular score. Understandably, Geoff Zanelli isn't Hans Zimmer so obviously DMTNT isn't going to sound like Zimmer. But I do find it somewhat interesting that the previous Pirate scores, despite each having about 8 or 9 different composers on the team, always had a cohesive sound.

When listening to them as a whole (without the credits included) you can't always necessarily point out individual voices in the score as far as style or orchestration (such as that's a Zanelli or Jackman cue). That's one thing Zimmer has always excelled at, being able to write music in a group setting and always pull it together with one distinctive sound and cohesiveness. When I listen to this album I can obviously hear it not being from the same group that did Curse of the Black Pearl and so on.

It might sound like I'm complaining but I do like the fact that Zanelli wrote this in his own voice. I just feel like the reprises of previous themes do somewhat expose the differences in style and whatnot. But hey, that's just me. Overall I genuinely like this score, even the Salazar theme has grown on me (and to be fair I never really cared for Blackbeard's tune)


mpolonest1232017-05-31 20:01:21
And to clarify one thing, I do know that you can hear some DNA of the different ghost writers in the previous scores, but each cue meshes insanely well together without feeling like a team effort as opposed to TASM2 or Rango.


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 20:42:17
Oh I see.. sorry, I understand you better now.

And yes, I totally agree with you... it sounds different, but I think, by the interviews with Zanelli, you can tell is not by accident. In fact, for me at least, it sounds closer to a wider orchestral soundscape quality if you will than previous POTC scores. Which if you listen to pasts Zanelli's works you'll find more understandable (his personal musical preferences leans a little bit more towards classical than Zimmer's)

I listened the score with my Senn HD598 headphones and contrary to what others say, I found it to be a more breathable, wider, and orchestral recording than the previous soundtracks.


mpolonest123 2017-05-31 21:26:25
Yeah, I definitely agree. It has (for lack of a better word) a more swashbuckling sound as opposed to the faux rock style of the first two or the epic movements of AWE.

And DMTNT would definitely have sounded different regardless of who wrote it. Imagine a Lorne Balfe take on the idea. Or a John Powell. Or a Junkie Xl (lol)


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 21:56:25
Exactly! ... liked the expression; a bit more of a "swashbuckling sound" is just what I tried to say. If I recall correctly is part of the "freshness" they wanted to "reboot" with this franchise.

And yeah, definitely it would have sounded different with any of those.



MrOLX2017-06-26 15:11:32
This theme is probably Branderbourg Concerto no. 3.


MrOLX2017-06-26 15:19:45
Oh, theme is Brandenburg Concerto no. 3, no Branderbourg Concerto no. 3.


mpolonest123 2017-09-16 02:18:43
Just saw the film recently and boy, what a mess. In some ways it’s worse than Stranger Tides, mainly because the writing comes across as fan fiction and you can tell that they put effort into making it, which increased my personal disappointment.

The score on the other hand, after hearing it in context, is incredible. While my issue with the recording mix still stands, Geoff knocked it out of the ballpark. Each theme is used correctly and actually receive development throughout. And there are SEVERAL unreleased cues that stood out to me. The only reason I want this franchise to continue is to hear what else he would write lol

David reply Replies: 3 || 2017-07-25 10:15:50
Doesn't beat the first three films, however, I think this score is brilliant in its own right. I love the new themes Zanelli brought to the table (Carina/Barbossa theme, Salazar's theme, Adventure theme, etc.) and he did a fantastic job at blending old and new music to create something that sounded unique, yet classic at the same time. Cannot wait until the Complete Score is released.

I would say On Stranger Tides is my least favorite score (although it has some fantastic cues and themes (Blackbeard's theme, Angelica's theme, Spanish theme, etc.). Just felt like it was really missing the heart and emotion of the first 3 scores, which Dead Men Tell No Tales brought back. Honestly, it's still a fantastic score, and much better than the majority of blockbuster soundtracks I hear today.


David2017-07-25 23:32:25
Oh great, there's another David! :/

It's funny you and Everan (over on the TF5 page) think the complete scores for these films will be getting "released"! :P


Everan2017-07-26 02:27:59
Never said they will be released, I said might.


David2017-07-26 12:05:47
When I say "released" that doesn't necessarily mean in a...legal sense

Catastrophic Jones reply Replies: 3 || 2017-07-21 01:40:42
Having gotten the chance to meet Geoff a couple months back at the ASCAP Expo (albeit very briefly) it was clear he was very enthusiastic about working on Pirates, and even The Lone Ranger which the Disney soundtrack executive tried to silence him on talking about lol While nothing will ever compare to the original trilogy, score wise and film wise, this is a very nicely executed extension of the music in the world of Pirates. It's on the scale of honoring the original style and themes while injecting some new material much like what Giacchino did with Rogue One, which I happened to have liked as well. It's not meant to be the kind of score that stands out as 'unique and different', it's about honoring the tradition. I look forward to hearing what else Zanelli has to offer in the future.


Callahan2017-07-21 01:54:17
Yes. PoTC 5 is not the best score of the franchise, but it sure is, until now, the best CD that RC / MV produced in the year.


Hale2017-07-21 13:31:50
Wonder Woman wasn't too bad :D


Callahan2017-07-21 15:44:49
I agree, but this one is much better.

romuald reply Replies: 6 || 2017-07-10 19:20:55
Hello,

Anyone can tell what is the instrument used in Dead Men Tell No Tales at about 1:00, I like it.

Regards

Romuald


James2017-07-10 19:40:06
A duduk.


Max Potcats2017-07-10 23:14:36
Wasn't it used in Gladiator and in At World's End (at the end of the discussion with Keith Richard and Sparrow ?). Sounds like


James2017-07-10 23:57:55
Indeed


Iamtommie2017-07-11 10:06:51
It's also used in the first Narnia. In a Narnia Lullaby. This is what Tumnus is playing in his house.


romuald2017-07-11 10:26:10
Thank you everybody, what a cool instrument!!! Could I find a plug in with this instrument???

Romuald



Patrick2017-07-11 13:41:10
There are some VST plugins, e. g. as part of the Quantum Leap East West RA Collection by Soundsonline (~300$), Desert Winds by Bestservice (~111€) and Ilya Efimov Armenian Duduk (~70€). There are also some free ones, but their sounds is more or less MIDI ringtone quality, e. g. "Oriental Scale" (vst4free.com/free_vst.php?id=417)

Nick reply Replies: 4 || 2017-06-25 10:32:24
I must be the biggest weirdo in all of film score history, because the highlight of DMTNT for me was "I've Come With the Butcher's Bill." It resonated instrumentally, most notably that badass cello (?) at around the 2:35 mark, it was the perfect blend of old and new themes, and best of all, it sounded like a swashbuckling theme. As much as I loved the action cues in the first three, I sometimes felt that they resembled a Latin hell choir more than a traditional pirate piece, especially AWE. It's good listening, but sometimes it sounded more like Gregorian Chanters of the Caribbean. :P
I seriously blast Butcher's Bill out loud on the highway, I love it so much.


mpolonest123 2017-06-25 16:01:17
Not at all! ; ) That's one of my favorite tracks as well. I would also throw in the major chord progressions of the Trident theme in "Power of the Sea" and the INSANE electric cello statement of Salazar's theme at 3:00 in "Kill the Sparrow". Great workout tracks!


Hybrid Soldier2017-06-26 16:37:41
That cue is Mazzaro !


...2017-06-26 17:05:02
Does anyone notice the Barbossa/Beckett theme from On Stranger Tides at 1:52 in "Shansa"?


Medigo2017-06-27 18:15:00
shame the movie decided to apparently remove the electric cello Salazar rendition
boo!

PLEASE reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 18:46:56
does anyone know the song that pays on the string quartet when they first introduce Barbossa in the movie?

He is eating what looks like marshmellows and scratching his head during this scebe. Please guys!


MrOLX2017-06-26 09:13:16
Probably Branderbourg Concerto no. 3

David reply Replies: 2 || 2017-06-06 07:34:21
Hey Hybrid is there any chance you could update the tracklist with which pieces contain material written by HZ & Co from the previous 4 films? Please?


Iamtommie2017-06-21 00:09:06
1. "Dead Men Tell No Tales" 1:50
2. "Salazar" 4:33
3. "No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate") 3:58
4. "You Speak of the Trident" 1:58
5. "The Devil's Triangle" 2:45
6. "Shansa" 3:12
7. "Kill the Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate", "Jack Sparrow" and "Hoist the Colours Suite") 4:50
8. "The Dying Gull" (includes elements of "Hoist the Colours Suite") 1:00
9. "El Matador del Mar" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "He's a Pirate", "Jack Sparrow" and "The Medallion Calls") 8:05
10. "Kill the Sparrow" 6:15
11. "She Needs the Sea" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "Jack Sparrow", "Wheel of Fortune" and "The Medallion Calls") 2:32
12. "The Brightest Star in the North" 6:00
13. "I've Come with the Butcher's Bill" (includes elements of "Lord Cutler Beckett", "Swords Crossed" and "Wheel of Fortune") 6:40
14. "The Power of the Sea" 4:07
15. "Treasure" (includes elements of "The Black Pearl" and "I Don't Think Now Is the Best Time") 5:43
16. "My Name Is Barbossa" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "Marry Me" and "Jack Sparrow") 5:34
17. "Beyond My Beloved Horizon" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate") 2:40


Guy Fawkes2017-06-21 16:00:13
"No Woman Has Ever..." also includes The Medallion Calls and Jack Sparrow. And "Kill the Filthy" also includes Marry Me. This list is way estimated... The best thing it will be know the credits of every song, I think.

Can I Just Say... reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-21 13:32:48
That 6:09 to 6:38 of "El Matador Del Mar" was clearly temped with 6:36 to 6:59 of "Barbarian Horde" from "Gladiator". It stood out so much that I had to do a double take and replay the track just to make sure I wasn't listening to the wrong album! But overall, I have really enjoyed this album: it is a nice extension and slight development of Hans' (and others') themes from the previous movies, and Zanelli's new additions (although a bit bland and generic) really fit in musically to the "Pirates of the Caribbean" sound we've come to know (and which some of us love). I actually also like the mixing work that was done on the soundtrack: it really gives the orchestral recording a big, thick, organic sound, much more so than the previous scores which were quite synthetic (even "On Stranger Tides", with barely any synths used at all, was mixed to a degree where it still sounded relatively unnatural and overly bassy).

Leo reply Replies: 6 || 2017-06-03 12:40:26
In Dead Men Tell No Tales, what is the song that plays right after Barbossa tells Jack "Time to race the dead."? The theme plays while Jack is complaint about going away from land.


Mandarin2017-06-03 18:34:45
Unfourtanately this theme wasn't included in the OST. Seems like we have to wait for complete score.


Pirate's Life2017-06-05 13:12:17
When will be the complete score?


iamtommie2017-06-05 14:11:02
I base my answer on last years Captain America: Civil War's complete score.
Civil War also out in May. The tracklist of the complete score was on this website in October. At the end of Decemeber the complete score was released.

Maybe this will be the same with Pirates 5


George2017-06-05 15:49:06
Well I hope that in the complete score release there will be more suites. I love the new adventure theme but I would like a track with it having more play time and more development, guess we'll see though


Mandarin2017-06-06 20:49:19
Complete score is usually released all of a sudden. We will be happy if it actually is released. Still waiting for complete score of Batman v Superman and Inferno...


Nikolas 2017-06-17 23:46:46
The song you are asking is a remake of the "Barbossa is Hungry" from the first movie

Alexander reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-06 14:12:17
For anyone here who is listening to vinyl music as well, the company "music on vinyl" is now trying to get the rights to press the pirates scores on vinyl :)

James reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-06 02:20:03
Where is the suite?

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