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Mancina's theme + Ad Astra + MW:2= Bad boys for Life.Please enlighten me on how Bad Boys 3 sounds the same as Lego Batman or Genius: Picassowhy his music always sound the same...if he doesn't have time why he keep scoring more and more films per year? is it all about money?Modern Warfare 2 is a lot in the album!<br><br>- It's Good Shit Lieatenant<br>- We're Dangerous People<br>- What Else You Got (Bad Boys Remix)<br>- God's Gun (Bad Boys Remix)<br>- We Ride Together, We Die Together (Bad Boys Remix)We're Dangerous People
Call of the Wild coming by Hollywood Records, that means, digital.Bloodshoot coming from Sony ClassicalCan confirm is in the albumavailable in nz itunes store. on the cover its correct now....motion picture score.What was Hans’ role in the treatment of Mantovani’s “Charmaine”. It sounds like the original, but cleaner, clearer, & without the limitations of 50/60’s recording technology. I’ve been fascinated by this piece for 25+ years, as it seems almost a precursor to Jarre & even Zimmer’s electronic music, while being entirely orchestral. Links to info appreciated.
@Scorefan: You know what "Motion" means right? Motion picture = moving picture = movie. U either call it "Original Movie Score" or "Original Score from the Movie" or u call it "Original Motion Picture Score". But u can't say "Movie Picture" lol. Its just wrong or like Macejko said.. "a retarded mistake" ;-)@Maho: Dude I know why its stated "Score", but thats NOT the issue. What I'm talking about here is "Movie" which should be called "Motion".If you are interested, here is an interview with Otomo https://www.japantimes.co.jp /culture/2004/07/14/ films/film-reviews /the-master-behind-the-otaku/#.Xiix-P4zbctI like to make you in positive way aware of that "Time" has been blended with Charlie Chaplin's message to humanity (The Great Dictator) and thoughful added images in a video on youtube. If it is blocked due to disturbing pictures, please use a proxy to see it.But there is still a chances. Steve was suggested to Otomo by music supervisor Keiichi Momose and in an interview Katsuhiro mention that he really liked Jablonsky's work on Steamboy.<br><br>So, we may hope that Keiichi Momose will work on Orbital Era or Otomo rememberes Steve's music for Steamboy. Time will tell.
To be honest it's just my thoughts. But what are the chances that Otomo will choose Steve for his new work after really long brake (almost 15 years)?I would love for another animated score from Steve. Why is it almost impossible for him to score for Katsuhiro Otomo out of curiosity?I just saw this, EXTREMELY HAPPY!!!! he's so dope and talented apparently he's already done a few tracks cause the actor lewis tan sais he liked what he already heard.He is scoring to Mortal Kombat reboot movie, I saw that news from film music reporter, but mortal Kombat 1995 score was my favorite score.@Evenstar Original Movie Picture Score? lul. Usually it's called Motion Picture but ok.<br><br>No not always. I have a lot of scores where it is on the front of the booklet. Especially when an album with songs was released. So that the laypersons don't get confused, but still always manage not to look through, you can see on Amazon.
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Geoff ZanelliPhill BoucherPaul MounseySteve Mazzaro
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Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales
Label: Walt Disney Records
Length: 71'42
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  1. Dead Men Tell No Tales (1:51)
    Geoff Zanelli
  2. Salazar (4:27)
    Geoff Zanelli
  3. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel (3:59)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  4. You Speak Of The Trident (1:58)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil
  5. The Devil's Triangle (2:45)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  6. Shansa (3:12)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  7. Kill The Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait (4:50)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  8. The Dying Gull (1:01)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  9. El Matador Del Mar (8:05)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  10. Kill The Sparrow (6:16)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  11. She Needs The Sea (2:32)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  12. The Brightest Star In The North (6:00)
    Geoff Zanelli
  13. I've Come With The Butcher's Bill (6:41)
    Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)
  14. The Power Of The Sea (4:07)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  15. Treasure (5:43)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  16. My Name Is Barbossa (5:34)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  17. Beyond My Beloved Horizon (2:41)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
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iamtommie reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-31 13:01:08
I've seen the movie twice and I concluded that "The Brightest Star In The North" is split up in the movie. In the movie in between the two pieces "I've come with the butchers Bill' is heard.


David2017-05-31 15:52:28
Having seen it twice are you able to put it in chronological order?? :D


Iamtommie2017-05-31 15:57:00
Yes, why not. I'm a filmmusicfreak, so I know most of the soundtrack by heart. So if I watch yhe movie I can easily put the right tracks under the right scene.


Medigo2017-06-01 23:26:16
the tracks seem to be mostly chronological anyway
and none of them are suites

Oscarilbo reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 22:19:04
https://youtu.be/3mUcaauaNrs

If you want to listen to a very interesting interview with Zanelli discussing not only his composer career, but his input on the POTC saga from COTBP to DMTNT to a great detail, here it is from Film.Music.Media, just released 6 days ago.


Lejti2017-06-01 15:32:12
This video is on the main page of the site.

zulu reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 16:40:58
Worst Movie & Score ever!


Alexander 2017-05-31 17:30:28
Come on it is not the worst score ever. For sure it can't lift up to "At worlds end" but with "At worlds end" the bar has been risen very high. It's a nice too hear score and it is a bit like the first one.

Jack Afrogarrix 2017 reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-30 00:08:23
Nice Music By Geoff Zanelli This Is my First Time I see The movie And Is Awsome . But With Hans Zimmer's pirates Theme plus With Salazar's Theme best movie & Score Ever


Edmund Meinerts2017-05-30 00:43:27
Best Movie and Score Ever?????? WOW!!!!1!!111!1!oneoneone1!1!


Amber2017-05-30 01:31:15
The score is good. In the same level of the first and second ones. The only problem is the weakness of the new themes.For a pirate score: 3,5/5


Mephariel2017-05-31 16:18:26
Best Move AND Score ever...WOW


Dan reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-29 17:13:06
Twice heard and already the first time it was exhausting. The biggest disappointment of the year! Typical 08/15 score


Meta2017-05-29 18:17:35
I see nothing wrong with this score.

It doesn't have the gimmick of Tides with the Spanish guitar riffs, doesn't have a crappy album presentation, sounds pretty much like a pirates score...

and at least has a couple of decent themes in it, to boot.

At film number 5 I don't expect genius. I expect serviceable and respectful to what came before, and we get that here....

No prob, Bob!


Iamtommie2017-05-29 18:25:52
If you listen to El Matador Del Mar from 4:50 to 6:50, you can't say it'sthe biggest dissappoinment of the year. That cue and a bunch of ithers are very 'Pirates'.
Together it is a good solid score.


Dan2017-05-29 22:13:07
It is my opinion! Just because a minute or so good is not the whole soundtrack is great.

Alexander reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-29 19:10:19
Is anyone here who thinks that the version of the opening music which joachim roenning has posted, on his instagram, sounds much better than the one that is used in the movie ?!?


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-29 19:17:51
It was a previous version and honestly, it was just POTC 2's opening rip... lol


Alexander 2017-05-29 21:09:31
Yea sounds a bit like pirates 2:D I still think that the "demo version" was much better because of its melody, the film version is just the beat if you want so.

Miska reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-28 12:44:39
Do anyone know what was that soundtrack that plays at opening scene? There where The Flying Dutchman rises from the sea, adn will and Henry have a little discourse. I think it`s some variation of "one day".


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-28 12:51:25
It's not in the OST release... :/


Eric2017-05-29 03:48:36
It's the same as One Day just re-scored


Alexander2017-05-29 19:00:35
I think it is a huge mistake that this is not on the score because it is (in my opinion) one of the best version of "one day". And its the full song and not just a short version like "my name is Barbossa". But at least you can say that the version in the ending scene sounded very very big and majestic.

Oscarilbo reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-28 20:08:16
Well.. I saw the movie, and I liked though not as much as the trilogy, but its very enjoyable in its own right. Capture much more of the firsts movies feeling that OST did. What I think I missed the most was Verbinski's weird sensibilities, grittiness and timming, but oh well as long as he doesn't want to return to this series, it will be something to miss for ever.

As for the Zanelli's score I loved it. I think is much better than Curse of the Black Pearl, which I think is the one we should compare with. Remember this new movie is, in theory the 1st one of a new part of the saga, so... compare it to AWE I think is very unfair... Not just the characters but the story itself must earn the epicness just as AWE did, thats how Zimmer desceibed it at the time. So this new one is the lowest end of Pirates epicness yet, or at least is the way I see it. If they keep doing more and Zenlli is still there, I'm sure it'll have to grow in scope and reach AWE highs and maybe even more.

Joseph Solano reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-27 21:10:12
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I will soon, but I've heard the soundtrack and I have only one thing to say. This is the best score of the franchise since At World's End. I had tears in my eyes every time an old theme played. I liked the score for On Stranger Tides, but I didn't like how it relied too much on older themes. I appreciate this score for not using the Ship battle theme and the rolling cage chase motif which I'm kinda tired of hearing them. I love the clever use of One Day as a theme for Henry Turner. Of course, everytime Jack's Themes (both the intro theme, the cello theme, and his DMC theme) and He's A Pirate show up, I can't help but smile and jump up and down. What about the new stuff? A lot of people have criticized Salazar's Theme for sounding like Blackbeard. It does don't get me wrong, but Zanelli isn't the first person to do this. The Winter Soldier is derived from Why So Serious. Optimus Prime's theme is IDENTICAL to the Knights March from King Arthur. Discombobulate from Sherlock Holmes, Absurdity from The Lone Ranger, and The Red Capes Are Coming from Batman v. Superman ALL SOUND THE SAME. They're awesome, but similar. Why is it so bad now? I like the rock elements in Salazar's theme and it makes it quite scary. Carina's Theme (The Brightest Star in the North) is also the main theme of the movie and it is perfect beyond belief. Her theme very much resembles past love themes, but it has a sense of herorism to it. I always gravitate to composer's themes for female characters (John Williams with my girls from Star Wars). The new adventure theme is epic! It does sound like He's A Pirate, but it is very catchy. I don't know what the score sounds like in the movie, but it sounds really good on the official soundtrack. To end this, all the action music is incredibly fun. Hans should be proud. Here are my top 5 favorite tracks:

1. Beyond My Beloved Horizon
2. The Brightest Star in the North
3. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel
4. My Name is Barbossa
5. The Dying Gull


James2017-05-27 21:30:26
Maybe because it is IDENTICAL the another theme of the same series?


Edmund Meinerts2017-05-27 21:36:50
"This is the best score of the franchise since At World's End."

Watch out you don't trip over that low bar. ;)


Iamtommie2017-05-28 00:03:21
I saw the movie tonight and I think that the music is great on the album, but in the movie it's fantastic. It gives something special and something extra to a lot of scenes. I think Zanelli did a great job on the score, with the use if new and old themes.

Soroush reply Replies: 4 || 2017-05-26 11:05:10
As "Hedon" said below, "Zanelli is a great arranger, but he is not a great composer". I extremely agree with him.
I believe if someone like John Powell had done this score, we would hear a far better soundtrack. All of us saw what a spectacular job he did in KungFu Panda 2 with Hans.
The obvious thing is people like John Powell, Harry Gregson-Williams, JunkieXL or Nick Glennie-Smith, their mind moves where Hans' moves.
I'm not saying Zanelli does not include this case, I'm saying there were so many better options to choose the right person to do this score.


Miguel2017-05-26 13:05:56
Would love to hear what Balfe would have done . Maybe next time


Alexander2017-05-26 15:51:46
I hope Hans will "return" to the Pirates franchise I mean he has not done "Dead men tell no tales" just because Dunkirk and his live tour were in the way. Even Zanelli said that they all sat together and felt ready to start the project. Because of the fact that Zanelli is responsible that the "he's a pirate" theme sounds like it does I would love to hear a Score by Hans Zimmer & Geoff Zanelli for the real Finale !


Hedon2017-05-27 19:46:51
What I don't understand is why couldn't they at least aim for the best soundscape this franchise have had by bringing the rest of the team from AWE of composers, arrangers and orchestrators back. If we look at AWE, apart from Zimmer, there was Zanelli, Jackman, Glennie-Smith, Balfe, Örvarsson, Gire and Sponsler on board. If they could choose one lead composer in Zimmer's absence, then whatever some dude wrote would at least sound interesting because of the colorful instrumentation and big, fresh orchestral sound AWE had. Or maybe, just rearrange old themes from the other movies in true AWE style would work just as well. There's plenty of material from POTC 1 that hasn't been used in the other films, and much of it would shine if orchestrated and performed in AWE's sonic fashion rather than the cheap sound the first film had.


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-27 20:51:29
The orchestrators are the same.

You really think the other composers aren't busy enough these days ? It was 10 YEARS ago ! lol

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-27 15:56:03
Zanelli made a wonderful job with Zimmer's themes.
The new themes are great too, but he really did Zimmer's themes justice. I like the continuity.
Track 9.El Matador Del Mar, my favorite on the album.

Jeffrey Rose reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-27 02:11:25
I swear I heard Last of the Mohicans in the movie twice. Maybe it was the slowing of the classic pirate theme. I will figure it out next time I watch.


Jeffrey Rose2017-05-27 02:21:34
Listen to 12:38 above and then also Main Title or Top of the World from Last of the Mohicans. Trevor Jones should have a listen.


James D.2017-05-27 03:54:12
This is "One day" theme of the third soundtrack xD

Iamtommie reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-26 20:44:45
Does anyone know if the score is in the same order it is played in the movie??


Max Potcats2017-05-26 22:15:18
Of memory I think is it the order of the movie, but I think some tracks are mixed in one, for exemple el matador del mar (like At Wit's End in potc3) :-)


Iamtommie2017-05-26 22:39:09
Thanks!!

... reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-26 19:16:44
Y'know, if the Salazar sounded more like the variation in Kill the Sparrow, it would have worked way better than the generic sound we get through the rest of it.

Eric reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-26 13:35:00
Saw the Movie last night listening to the soundtrack now and I must say I'm impressed. I like how Salazars theme is sorta a collab of Previous villian themes from the films Zanelli probably did this to imply how Salazar is the most evil Villain in the franchise(do I think he will be in Pirates 6 returning as the villian alongside another certain villian if you watch the end credits scene, yes). Carina theme is just a beautiful elegant piece which I am now classifying as the Barbossa family theme. The new adventure theme reminds me of the song Skull And Crossbones from Curse Of The Black Pearl. They used Becketts theme for Barbossa in the film like they did in On Stranger Tides and had more tracks with it so theirs a big imporovment. The heroic Jack theme was used way more in this film than OST which wasn't their at all. What I like a lot that they did is this soundtrack has a lot of tracks from the movie so that is a huge improvement with a Pirates film. Sorta wished Davy Jones theme was used for Will but also glad they didn't. Geoff Zanelli did a great Job and he should come back or Pirates 6.


Waymann2017-05-26 14:30:40
I'm impressed either with the fact that for now I don't recall any big parts missing in this score like with the previous movies. The only thing i'm missing now is the part right after the first track (the music used in the beginning on the Dutchman) but that was actually the One Day suite from AWE so not really a big deal.

Marco Antonio reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-26 12:31:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgLktF1bSpE There is the full Soundtrack on Disney Vevo ;)

Micah reply Replies: 5 || 2017-05-26 00:03:25
I'm on track 9 at the moment. Nothing especially memorable so far, but I do love the return of the Love Theme and Hoist the Colors.

Salazar's theme isn't as bad as I thought it would be, but it does seem to get repetative quickly. Hopefully the score isn't as blatantly bad on-screen as OST was. That film and score was a mess.


Oscarilbo2017-05-26 02:02:10
final veredict?


Micah2017-05-26 04:28:58
After my first listen, it's a good score, but nothing extremely memorable.

Carina's theme is nice, as is the new adventure theme. I would have liked a bit more of the classic POTC themes, but after re-watching OST tonight, I'm kind of glad they didn't overdo it the way they did on that score.

My biggest gripe is that the score tends to blend together without much to differentiate it. The action cues are...good, but don't stand out the way "Wheel of Fortune" and "I Don't Think Now's The Best Time" do.

The main highlights are "The Dying Gull" and "My Name Is Barbossa", both which rely on old themes from At World's End. I LOVE Zanelli's mixture of the love theme and Hoist the Colors, and the mixture of Henry and Carina's themes is beautiful. The latter half of "Barbossa" does seem to be a direct rip from earlier scores, but it's still the standout.

All in all, I'd give it a 6 or 7/10. I've heard worse, but it could be better. It will most likely grow on me, though. Most albums tend to do that.


Mephariel2017-05-26 07:30:44
I just finished the score. All I really wanted Zanelli to do was to create a fun, high energy score, and even that...I can't really say he did a successful job. The first half of the score was just flat out boring. Unlike Zimmer, Zanelli completely stripped the score of ethnic, percussion idiophonic elements, sweeping romantic themes, and dynamic epic composition. The only two cues that really captured the Pirates series are "The Power of The Sea" and "Treasure" and even those cues pale in comparison to the power anthems in At World's End. The other cue that stood out was "My Name is Barbossa," but only because of its complete reliance on Zimmer's best themes. None of the new materials are at all memorable.

A lot of the reviews complained about the score being annoying or loud. I haven't seen the movie, but I can believe it. Some of the action stuff are just irritating to listen to, especially since they sounded so cheap.


Hedon2017-05-26 10:37:47
The thing is... Zanelli is a great arranger, but he is not a great composer. No one writes Zimmer tunes like Zimmer. Things work out excellent, however, when Zimmer composes and Zanelli arranges his themes. To compose new themes for this franchise I would rather see Nick Glennie-Smith, Klaus Badelt, Matthew Margeson, Steve Jablonsky or James Dooley handle the composing duties. My top picks other than Zimmer for great tunes/themes would be Thomas Bergesen (from Two Steps from Hell), John Powell or Harry Gregson-Williams. But I'm not sure if their "sound" would fit into the franchise. If they just wrote the themes, Zimmers arrangers would make it work.


Rebel2017-05-26 11:09:28
After listening to the full score several times I can say that it's a nice mixture of arround 60% new themes and 40% old themes. Moreover it's cleverly written in a sense that it feels familiar yet new. Althought Zanelli is definitely no Zimmer, he definitelly does get pirate scoring. If I had to give it a rating it would be a definite 7.5/10.
It's definitely a score worth listening and you should skip it just because Zimmer didn't write it.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-26 02:26:19
For everyone complaining about the mix of this album don't forget, nothing beats Curse of the Black Pearl in terms of an awful recording mix. When you have a 'synthy' sounding orchestra and bass gain distortions that actually make it to album this really isn't anything in comparison.

And I think the key difference between Zimmer and Zanelli (at least on this franchises' terms) is that most of the themes Zimmer wrote for the franchise (Davy Jones, Beckett, Kraken, pretty much all of the original tunes from the 1st one, etc.) were actually incredibly simplistic. Geoff's tunes are less streamlined. They aren't bad by any means, but it's telling when the strongest parts are the reprises of things like Hoist the Colours and Marry Me.


Oscarilbo2017-05-26 03:07:33
Well... as you say, Zanelli's tunes tend to be less streamlined. You can hear it in his themes for Into the West, The Pacific, Outlander (the movie) and even the Spaniards themes in OST.

Not to say Zimmer's aren't great in their own merit, but are not always the same exact approach.


mpolonest123 2017-05-26 03:27:28
Right. The difference between Zimmer and many other composers (for me at least) is that you can almost immediately tell if you like a Zimmer score off the bat. DMTNT is something that needs a few listens to grow on you, and so far I'm liking what I hear.

When I heard Fantastic Beasts for the first time I was initially disappointed but after about 3 listens and hearing it in context it became my favorite score of the year. Everyone is different of course, but I feel like this score will grow on people with time.

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 5 || 2017-05-25 19:05:36
I have to say, it still surprises me there's no "theme by Hans Zimmer" credit on the cover or in the booklet. This score has the main theme (1), Jack's theme (2), the Marry Me theme (3), and Hoist the Colors (4), along with some obvious temp stuff, and all Hans gets is a thanks?

Not that it really matters, and hey, some would argue Geoff wasn't properly credited when Hans was in charge. Oh well. We know crediting has never been something RCP particularly cares about. :P I do like the overall score, and I think they couldn't have picked a better composer than Geoff in Hans' absence. Geoff said Hans and the directors and he all got together to discuss the music, so...was it Hans' idea to, say, use the Marry Me theme for Henry?


iii2017-05-25 19:38:29
'I think they couldn't have picked a better composer than Geoff in Hans' absence'

I disagree, Mike. The strongest arrangements of Hans' material in the franchise were Henry Jackman.

'some would argue Geoff wasn't properly credited when Hans was in charge.'

'some' would be wrong. Geoff Zanelli was credited as an additional music arranger because that's what he did. The weakness of this score's ideas in comparison to particularly the third one speaks to the importance of the primary composer. There is nothing in this score the equivalent of "Marry Me" or "Hoist the Colors" or "Jack Sparrow" or "The Kraken" or even "Mermaids".

The score misses Zimmer big time, but I suspect if the film had looked interesting he might've been tempted back. The reality is Hans (love it or hate it) has a strong musical voice and you can feel its absence.

The main new theme is boring and the dreary cello version in the end credits is a completely over-used sound these days. And the mix of the whole score is appalling - even worse than On Stranger Tides flat soundscape. How did they manage to make a 100 piece orchestra sound like a demo for an off the shelf sample library?

Everything is just another backwards step.


Mike (OTM)2017-05-25 19:45:15
Actually, iii, I expressed similar sentiments to yours in a reply below this post. :) Hans' absence is definitely felt.

As for Jackman vs. Zanelli, I'm not sure the two can be fairly compared. Yes, Henry made interesting arrangements, but most of what he did was the love theme from POTC 3. Zanelli, on the other hand, has worked on all four films and written a couple themes. So I feel like Jackman would have had to work on more for us to really say whether he's the stronger composer for the franchise.


iii2017-05-25 21:48:46
I missed that, sorry! I agree with your other comment.

Jackman's contribution to the 2nd half of love suite, his rollicking orchestral mayhem in "I don't know if now is the best time" provide plenty of evidence of him imposing his style effectively on the material.


Alexander2017-05-25 22:58:43
Hans has not done this one because he was working on dunkirk at the time as far as I know. I saw the movie last night and for sure things like "What shall we die for", "One day", "Jack Sparrow", the legendary "He's a pirate" or even the bit of the musical clock/bell theme from davy jones and Calypso at the VERY end of the film are things that Hans wrote of course. In the movie itself you hear this stuff very often especially in the first hour of the movie which is packed with old themes. But Geoff Zanelli still wrote the other 60%/65% of the music so I can imagine that Hans said that they can give it to Zanelli because even if most of the themes are from Hans, he was most likely not heavily involved at the writing and scoring process. He was most likely there at the beginning of the process like Zanelli said in an interview and made sure that this story needed things like one day or the medallion calls. And he is not credited because of the fact that he was doing dunkirk and for sure his live tour and so he was like mentioned before only there at the beginning of the process and wrote/refined the new versions of one day or he's a pirate if he did anything. But i thought as well that they could have mentioned him in the credits like they mentioned Zanelly or even Steve Jablonsky in the credits of the first one or John Williams at Rogue One.


Edmund Meinerts2017-05-26 02:04:13
"How did they manage to make a 100 piece orchestra sound like a demo for an off the shelf sample library?"

MV/RC has existed for over two decades now and you're actually still surprised at this? XD

Waymann reply Replies: 4 || 2017-05-25 20:25:21
Lots of people complaining about the film and the score, makes me a little bit irritated. Of course this was never gonna reach the level of the first films. It never will be, it's been 10 years. I am a hugh fan of these films and after watching the new film I felt so good. That cheesy ending was actually so so cool. The movie wasn't perfect put they did some good things in it. I haven't heard this album yet but I listened to the samples and everything I wanted on this album, I did hear those parts in the samples. Afterwards I was humming that new adventure theme all day, even how unoriginal it is. It's cool and Carina's theme is a great new addition. This score is much than On Stranger Tides maybe think about that. Let this score grow on you. Most people now base their opinion on just this suite. Honestly ? It doens't reflect the score that well.


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-25 20:28:52
Yeah I made a shitty suite ! :( :( :( lol


Ds2017-05-25 20:31:17
If that cheesy ending was "so so cool", it's just because it's a powerful reminder of how beautiful the 3rd movie was. And even more so in comparison to this dreadful 5th outing.


Oscarilbo2017-05-25 20:42:59
Yeah... I know what you mean...

First of all, I want this movie to be a fun ride. I cannot ask of it what I would ask of a Nolan production, for once. But I know I cannot ask of this movie what I would ask of a 2nd or a 3rd part. I say this because since DMTNT begins production they (producers) hinted it was the BEGINNING of a new adventure, So they had to go back to "ground 0". And is not too difficult to guess that they'd try the Star Wars formula; POTC 5 is basically Force Awakens in its intentions at the least.

So what really put me off is the fact that all this hate will only cause to not greenlit more adventures :( , because, well.. apparently audience doesn't want this dessert anymore.


Ds2017-05-25 21:10:08
"Going back to ground 0" doesn't mean "make a poor movie".
I would like more Pirates movies, but not if they make them as bad as the 4th and 5th ones. They could have written an original story (I'm sure there are good writers out there who could have found something fresh) and started a new adventure just like the 2nd and 3rd movies did. It's not impossible.
But rather they just tried to remake the 1st movie. If they did it for the 5th one, why do you think they wouldn't do it for the 6th one? Judging by the post-credit scene, they are clearly not afraid of ripping off the previous movies even more... :-D

Oscarilbo reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-25 20:01:25
I have yet to listen to the score, and I will after see the movie because I want to experience it on the movie itself first.

But if you read the very insightful interview with Zanelli for filmmusicamg, he talks about the "differences" between composers at RCP, and when Zimmer liked something of Zenelli its because, in Zimmer's words "it sounds so Geoff" (I think he was racalling it about Tia Dalma's theme and the tribal island music from DMC). So I think is kind of unfair to expect Geoff's music to sound very Zimmer's, realistically speaking.

I've been listening Zanelli's scores a few years now, and I think I Identify his style and his type os themes, which are not like Zimmer`s at all (talking about notes specifically)... so based on his scores I expect this to be a very Geoff Zanelli score leaning to POTC style and just a little of Zimmer.

You can see the differences in the OST album, just listen on what Zimmer composed and the listen the Spaniard's theme, which is by Zanelli.

Soroush reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-25 19:14:59
I like the score but the thing is, Hans increased our expectations with those amazing themes and creative melodies (which all of us love them). But now, obviously, we will not hear what we expected from a "Pirates of the Caribbean" soundtrack. I really admire Geoff Zanelli and I know he is trying as much as he can to do this score.
But eventually, I myself wanted an orchestra playing some "Hans Zimmer style" pirate melodies.
That's all.


Mike (OTM)2017-05-25 19:22:16
Like someone said below, regardless of how much Zanelli or others worked on the previous films, you could always tell you were listening to a Zimmer score on the whole. And for good or ill, Zimmer made some really memorable themes in these movies. Sure, they were derivative at times (Drop Zone? Gladiator? The Rock?), but throughout the films he worked on, he always brought interesting stuff to the table. His absence is noticed here, IMHO. He was always - pardon the pun - steering the ship when other people wrote material on the other films, so even on cues that were mostly someone else, his imprint was there directly.

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 5 || 2017-05-25 13:30:50
Wow...the Gladiator temp at 5:05. :/


mpolonest1232017-05-25 16:05:56
I kept wondering where I had heard that before and now that you mention it.... wow that's blatant : /


Oscarilbo2017-05-25 17:35:08
haha to be fair, POTC have always had "that" moment from Gladiator (the battle) in the main theme. So, in a weird sense is kind of congruent hahaha.

It really is the RC sound at its purest. Happens with many of the RC productions, they "collide".


Bioscope2017-05-25 17:43:10
And what about that Patricide/Zucchabar mashup in AWE?


Oscarilbo2017-05-25 17:49:02
Yeah... in the end, Gladiator and POTC share much of the same soundscape. Same for 2004's King Arthur.


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-25 18:31:27
The worst is still the cue "Elizabeth Declares War" from POTC 3 which is note for note "Afraid Of The Dark" from Gladiator lol...

meh reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-25 16:20:48
The movie was horrendous and the score was annoying. really disappointed. :/

They spend three years on THAT script! It's terrible!!!


Oscarilbo2017-05-25 16:36:55
...and you loved the past trilogy and OST ??


meh2017-05-25 17:53:13
no OST was bad as well. None of movies are perfect but this one they said would be better.

the script sucks. jokes for babies. jerry bruckheimer just has no ideas.

Hah reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-25 15:53:49
Told you Zimmer was involved. Maybe not there to score, but helped in a way. Don't question me hybrid hah!

Eric reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-25 13:47:01
The Blackbeard theme is not Salazar theme it is from what I hear used for his Crew I have heard a little snippet of Salazar theme and it sounds completely different.


meta2017-05-25 14:14:42
Salazar theme sounds like a hybrid of Blackbeard plus Beckett.


Oscarilbo2017-05-25 15:36:42
what do mean? the beginning segment of the Blackbeard theme is what Salazar's theme sound like, not the theme itself.

Or are you saying that minute of preview on the "EL MATADOR DEL MAR" does not include Salazar's theme yet?

M4dRocket reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-25 15:09:06
Good score. Of course not the level of the trilogy, but "On stranger tides"not the inferior.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 12 || 2017-05-24 21:34:37
OK here is a suite I made of it !


GPrice2017-05-24 21:39:34
My man. Thank you


Crisp Rat2017-05-24 21:56:35
Is that Blackbeard's theme at 2:15? Is that a flashback or is it just a lazy reuse of themes?


Micah2017-05-24 21:59:37
Thanks, Hybrid. Once again, you're the man!

Anyone know what the theme at the beginning is? I assumed it was Carina's theme, but it could be the new adventure theme instead?


Micah2017-05-24 22:10:09
Then again, I assume 9:40 is the new adventure theme?

Also, 9:40 is the best part of the suite. Can't get enough of it.


mpolonest123 2017-05-24 22:36:31
Eh, I'm not really like Blackbeard's - I mean Salazar's theme. It sounds like a temped mix of the Blackbeard theme and Ramin's Kaiju theme from Pacific Rim.

The rest sounds pretty good, especially the references to "Marry Me"

Hybrid, what are your impressions of the full thing?


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-24 22:56:21
Well I saw the film today as well and I can't express how disappointed I was by it... Such a mess, with a bunch of horrible things and some good ones halas buried in the rest...

As for the score, it flows better on CD, but Geoff did really good, much better than the 4th.


Eric2017-05-24 23:04:04
Does ol Hector Barbossa get his own theme or do they use Becketts again?


mpolonest1232017-05-24 23:06:17
That's not surprising to hear, this series really has become one big cash grab (moreso than it already was)

I'm really excited to hear the full score on album when it drops, Geoff is enormously talented. Judging by the suite alone there really aren't any new moments that pop out to me or scream
memorable. Even On Stranger Tides managed to fit in some pretty solid new ideas, and a decent album presentation outside of the remixes.

Also, is it just me or is the recording a bit flat?


Oscarilbo2017-05-25 00:24:45
I imagine some kind of connection between Salazar and Blackbeard. Not that is in the movie, may be conceptual, but I don't think is "accidental" or laziness. It sounds pretty intentional


-2017-05-25 01:06:40
Hybrid - what did you like/not like about it?


Manulder2017-05-25 10:57:40
Thanks Hybrid

Merci Hybrid &#128512;


Medigo2017-05-25 11:11:15
Yes that Salazar theme does basically take a segment from the Blackbeard theme, lets not be kidding ourselves. But Ill reserve judgment until I hear the full rendition.

Max Potcats reply Replies: 6 || 2017-05-24 23:13:51
salazar's theme guys : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL7vHk9sq3s&ab_channel=disne ymusic


bbs272017-05-25 00:05:02
just a recall of the Davy Jones first appearance music :
https://youtu.be/Lhb4FccPrOI?t=2m58s


huh?2017-05-25 00:11:35
this sounds nothing at all like davey jones. or blackbeard as other people said. i think many people decided not to like this score before it came out. that's all i think when i see these comments. is anyone actually listening?


iii2017-05-25 00:27:23
Quite the opposite most people (who care) were/are looking forward to seeing what Geoff Zanelli would do after the uninspiring On Stranger Tides.

Having said that I'm not feeling this one. I'm glad it was composed by someone who wanted to do it but I think Hans' creativity is missed, honestly. For all the talk about ghost-writers (which I've argued about on here a few times), it's telling when you hear the original work of people who've arranged his compositions and compare.

I will say one thing in defence of it. Last time out (with OST) we got our first exposure to the score back when there was a possibility the film would still be good. Sadly it's been confirmed as shit and I wonder if that biases my view when listening to it and makes me less receptive.


Oscarilbo2017-05-25 02:17:51
It sounds very much like the intro motif from Blackbeard theme, not the theme itself, although not the same exact notes neither.

I think is merely intentional to these have the same "DNA", is not accident. Remember Zanelli was heavily involved in Stranger Tides, much more than the trilogy.


Brent2017-05-25 02:41:40
I'm actually pretty excited by what I'm hearing. Carina's new theme is nice and I love the orchestral energy Geoff brings to this one. The one gripe I have with this so far is that Salazar's theme, at least the beginning, is almost Blackbeard's theme note for note. It even has some of the same instrumentation. Other than that, I tip my hat to Geoff.


Olivia2017-05-25 04:03:16
It is the Black Beard theme with a new arrange. Maybe exist some reason behind this

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