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I'll try to explain myself more with the scores I wasn't a big fan of. I really like a lot of Gears of War 3. It has a lot of faster paced, melodic action cues, and the cues from Gears of War 2 are improved. Its main problem is it's not very memorable, which Jablonsky is usually able to produce. <br><br>Ender's Game I found to be a bit of a slog. There was a lot of ambient/sound design cues which I found incredibly dull. However, it's possible I was expecting too much, or maybe I was too harsh on it. I'll try to have another listen to that one. <br><br>Gangster Squad was one where I just looked at the comments to see what people thought about it, and the consensus was "it copied every recent Hollywood score", so I just skipped that one. <br><br>TF3 had a lot of good thematic material, and the finale's action music was a lot of fun, but it lacks the memorability and excitement of the first 2, or the subtlety of 5, making it fall in the middle for me. Plus the Inception sound was pretty annoying. <br><br>Gears of War 2 falls into mediocre for me. The main theme is solid, but the action is repetitive and doesn't have much variation. Plus it also wasn't very memorable. It's basically a worse version of Gears 3 to me. <br><br>Transformers 1 and 2 don't really count to me because those were more an RCP effort than a Jablonsky one. Just to clarify, I don't hate that Jablonsky went down this route. I first learned of his existence through the Transformers scores for god's sake. It's just that listening to Steamboy, it makes me sad there wasn't more of this side of Jablonsky. Oh, and honorable mention to TMNT: Out of the Shadows, that was a great superhero score!Gangster Squad was Ok, but i prefer Ender's Game, actually the sound design in that i find it certain interesting.<br><br>In Battleship, yeah, it's nothing original, but for me, is a guilty pleasure, i love the percussion (i'm a big fan of the taiko sound)<br><br>Enderís Game isnít bad at all, there are some cool power anthems and orchestral moments in it. As for Battleship, while I find most of it generic, I genuinely do like the alien ďMRIĒ sound design he incorporated.<br><br>And one of Jablonskyís most underrated scores imo is Gangster Squad. If you want a fun Jablonsky score that strays away (mostly) from the Zimmer sound thatís it. Any score using Antz as a temp track is fine by me!I will disagree with TF3, Ender's Game, Gears of War 2 and 3, there are good scores, altough i'm a massive fan of that guilty pleasure is Battleship ;D<br><br>And A Nightmare on Elm Street was cool.John Powell to receive Henry Mancini Award. <br><br>Look it up at filmmusicreporter.<br><br>Congrats John
Edmund's right. It's really just sad that Jablonsky could have been one of the greatest composers ever, one with more notoriety and respect from the music community, but instead settled for being... a decent composer.<br><br>TF5 was a step in the right direction, D-War was a great monster movie score, Your Highness came close to Steamboy levels, and IDEA felt like Jablonsky's symphony in a lot of ways. But on the other end you have Ender's Game, Transformers 3 and 4, Battleship, Gears of War 2, Gears of War: Judgement, and a few others that range from ok, to flat out awful. Occasionally though you get some decent ones like Gears of War 3, and A Nightmare on Elm Street.<br><br>My point is, we get a composer overridden with bland projects, and musically inept directors, when he had the potential for being Oscar level.This just occurred to me. 1:44-2:10ish in Remember Who You Are kind of sounds like part of Mozartís Ave Verum Corpus...and we know Hans is a fan of that piece...@mpolonest: I'm the opposite side: BvS grown each time i listened.<br><br>Not the same for MoS ;D@DS<br><br>You are absolutely right, and it was something that I did think about while I was writing the post, I just never clarified it. <br><br>But that also has the opposite effect as well. I've had plenty of scores/songs which originally I liked that I gradually grew to dislike or simply lose interest. One of the most recent ones is BvS, which I enjoyed when it came out but looking back is probably one of my least favorite Zimmer scores.@Edmund @Ds totally agree! This days the only composer that convince me is Steven Price.
Is there a Balfe score that is not very temped? Every single Balfe score I listened to is basically giving an old score a fresh set of paint.mpolonest123: it's difficult to compare scores that are 10 years old and that you had plenty of time to digest, with brand new scores you've only heard a couple of times.<br><br>You said it yourself, when Clash of the Titans came out you thought it was generic and forgettable. It's only later that you noticed all these themes and all the work Djawadi put into it.<br><br>And actually it works like that with any new album released by any major artist. Fans are always like "it sucks, I prefer their previous albums". And yet 5 years later they love all these songs and know them by heart. :-pEdmund: I see your point, and if everyone could become 100% objective it would be actually true. But in practice, our personal tastes play a heavy role in deciding whether a score is interesting or fun or creative or intelligent or enjoyable. Some people like very classical, orchestral music more than anything else; even if JXL was creating the craziest soundtrack ever, his sound palette and synthetic approach alone would be enough to make these people dislike the score and say it's rubbish. The level of detail he put in Tomb Raider is astonishing, but sadly it'll only be noticed by people who are not upset by this style of brutal and synthetic environment. Of course it also works the other way, dry orchestral scores like Giacchino frequently writes do nothing to me, I don't particularly like this kind of sound, so I never spent a lot of time listening to them. As a consequence, I never was able to dissect them to discover all their (I guess) richness, subtleties, etc. So from my point of view, almost all Giacchino scores sound the same way and are not interesting, and I don't understand how and why he keeps getting all those major assignments. That's to say, our personal preferences will always interfere with our judgment, even if we honestly try to be fair.I feel like I see/have this kind of conversation on film music boards all the time. The approach isn't the problem, it's the execution. For example, when Man of Steel came out:<br><br>me: "I'm a bit disappointed by Man of Steel, it has its moments but I don't think it's a very good score overall"<br>fanboys: "JOHN WILLIAMS WAS YESTERDAY, ZIMMER IS TODAY, THIS IS A DIFFERENT SUPERMAN BLAH BLAH BLAH GET OVER IT"<br>me: "...did I mention Williams?"<br><br>or else Mad Max: Fury Road<br><br>me: "Mad Max is a decent score but I feel like the film deserved much more"<br>fanboys: "THERE'S LITERALLY A DUDE ON A DRUM CAR WITH A FLAMETHROWER GUITAR WHAT DID YOU EXPECT"<br>me: "...a composer who does more interesting things with those drums and that guitar?"<br><br>All over the place. It was really aggravating. This is a similar situation A talented film composer can write interesting, engaging music in all sorts of styles, for all sorts of films and under all sorts of directorial conditions. My issue with Tomb Raider isn't that it's not a traditional Jerry Goldsmith adventure score. I never expected that from this film, and certainly not from this composer. It's just not a very interesting or intelligent or enjoyable version of what it's trying to be, and that's the bottom line.@mrzimmerfan <br><br>I completely agree with you. Tomb Raider definitely didnít need a traditional score at all. And I love all the scores youíve mentioned. I even donít have a problem with the approach he took.<br><br>But I just donít like the score as is. We just have to agree to disagree, no harm done. :-)
I don't think he means that, just that it would have been interesting if Jablonsky had gone more into animated movies like Powell did, rather than mostly Michael Bay. I think maybe we got a hint of what that could have been like with Your Highness a few years ago, a score I'll always defend, but yeah...the lack of follow-up to Steamboy is a great tragedy in Jablonsky's career.@mpolonest: I will enjoyed more Run All Night than Mad Max, hell, even The Dark Tower.<br><br>But with Tomb Raider, this movie is harsh, with a real character, and an adventure score a la Goldsmith or JNH, will not benefit anything about it. And in there, there is a lot of great sounds and ideas pop up in all the score.<br><br>And this is telling you a guy who LOVE The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, the entire Indiana Jones and Jumanji scores.@mpolonest: I will enjoyed more Run All Night than Mad Max, hell, even The Dark Tower.<br><br>But with Tomb Raider, this movie is harsh, with a real character, and an adventure score a la Goldsmith or JNH, will not benefit anything about it. And in there, there is a lot of great sounds and ideas pop up in all the score.<br><br>And this is telling you a guy who LOVE The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, the entire Indiana Jones and Jumanji scores.I don't think Jablonsky is going to be a new John Powell ;)<br><br>But this one of his most notable efforts, i will said that.This is feels like a very temped soundtrack, only that explains why the score is so generic. I wonder which movies music scenes producer-director used to make lorne do this. <br><br>Track 8 - is Tron legacy (dont know maybe he worked on it, powell was involved maybe he was too)

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Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales
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  1. Dead Men Tell No Tales (1:51)
    Geoff Zanelli
  2. Salazar (4:27)
    Geoff Zanelli
  3. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel (3:59)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  4. You Speak Of The Trident (1:58)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil
  5. The Devil's Triangle (2:45)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  6. Shansa (3:12)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  7. Kill The Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait (4:50)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  8. The Dying Gull (1:01)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  9. El Matador Del Mar (8:05)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  10. Kill The Sparrow (6:16)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  11. She Needs The Sea (2:32)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  12. The Brightest Star In The North (6:00)
    Geoff Zanelli
  13. I've Come With The Butcher's Bill (6:41)
    Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)
  14. The Power Of The Sea (4:07)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  15. Treasure (5:43)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  16. My Name Is Barbossa (5:34)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  17. Beyond My Beloved Horizon (2:41)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
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Jeffrey Rose reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-27 02:11:25
I swear I heard Last of the Mohicans in the movie twice. Maybe it was the slowing of the classic pirate theme. I will figure it out next time I watch.

Jeffrey Rose2017-05-27 02:21:34
Listen to 12:38 above and then also Main Title or Top of the World from Last of the Mohicans. Trevor Jones should have a listen.

James D.2017-05-27 03:54:12
This is "One day" theme of the third soundtrack xD

Iamtommie reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-26 20:44:45
Does anyone know if the score is in the same order it is played in the movie??

Max Potcats2017-05-26 22:15:18
Of memory I think is it the order of the movie, but I think some tracks are mixed in one, for exemple el matador del mar (like At Wit's End in potc3) :-)

Iamtommie2017-05-26 22:39:09

... reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-26 19:16:44
Y'know, if the Salazar sounded more like the variation in Kill the Sparrow, it would have worked way better than the generic sound we get through the rest of it.

Eric reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-26 13:35:00
Saw the Movie last night listening to the soundtrack now and I must say I'm impressed. I like how Salazars theme is sorta a collab of Previous villian themes from the films Zanelli probably did this to imply how Salazar is the most evil Villain in the franchise(do I think he will be in Pirates 6 returning as the villian alongside another certain villian if you watch the end credits scene, yes). Carina theme is just a beautiful elegant piece which I am now classifying as the Barbossa family theme. The new adventure theme reminds me of the song Skull And Crossbones from Curse Of The Black Pearl. They used Becketts theme for Barbossa in the film like they did in On Stranger Tides and had more tracks with it so theirs a big imporovment. The heroic Jack theme was used way more in this film than OST which wasn't their at all. What I like a lot that they did is this soundtrack has a lot of tracks from the movie so that is a huge improvement with a Pirates film. Sorta wished Davy Jones theme was used for Will but also glad they didn't. Geoff Zanelli did a great Job and he should come back or Pirates 6.

Waymann2017-05-26 14:30:40
I'm impressed either with the fact that for now I don't recall any big parts missing in this score like with the previous movies. The only thing i'm missing now is the part right after the first track (the music used in the beginning on the Dutchman) but that was actually the One Day suite from AWE so not really a big deal.

Marco Antonio reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-26 12:31:54 There is the full Soundtrack on Disney Vevo ;)

Micah reply Replies: 5 || 2017-05-26 00:03:25
I'm on track 9 at the moment. Nothing especially memorable so far, but I do love the return of the Love Theme and Hoist the Colors.

Salazar's theme isn't as bad as I thought it would be, but it does seem to get repetative quickly. Hopefully the score isn't as blatantly bad on-screen as OST was. That film and score was a mess.

Oscarilbo2017-05-26 02:02:10
final veredict?

Micah2017-05-26 04:28:58
After my first listen, it's a good score, but nothing extremely memorable.

Carina's theme is nice, as is the new adventure theme. I would have liked a bit more of the classic POTC themes, but after re-watching OST tonight, I'm kind of glad they didn't overdo it the way they did on that score.

My biggest gripe is that the score tends to blend together without much to differentiate it. The action cues are...good, but don't stand out the way "Wheel of Fortune" and "I Don't Think Now's The Best Time" do.

The main highlights are "The Dying Gull" and "My Name Is Barbossa", both which rely on old themes from At World's End. I LOVE Zanelli's mixture of the love theme and Hoist the Colors, and the mixture of Henry and Carina's themes is beautiful. The latter half of "Barbossa" does seem to be a direct rip from earlier scores, but it's still the standout.

All in all, I'd give it a 6 or 7/10. I've heard worse, but it could be better. It will most likely grow on me, though. Most albums tend to do that.

Mephariel2017-05-26 07:30:44
I just finished the score. All I really wanted Zanelli to do was to create a fun, high energy score, and even that...I can't really say he did a successful job. The first half of the score was just flat out boring. Unlike Zimmer, Zanelli completely stripped the score of ethnic, percussion idiophonic elements, sweeping romantic themes, and dynamic epic composition. The only two cues that really captured the Pirates series are "The Power of The Sea" and "Treasure" and even those cues pale in comparison to the power anthems in At World's End. The other cue that stood out was "My Name is Barbossa," but only because of its complete reliance on Zimmer's best themes. None of the new materials are at all memorable.

A lot of the reviews complained about the score being annoying or loud. I haven't seen the movie, but I can believe it. Some of the action stuff are just irritating to listen to, especially since they sounded so cheap.

Hedon2017-05-26 10:37:47
The thing is... Zanelli is a great arranger, but he is not a great composer. No one writes Zimmer tunes like Zimmer. Things work out excellent, however, when Zimmer composes and Zanelli arranges his themes. To compose new themes for this franchise I would rather see Nick Glennie-Smith, Klaus Badelt, Matthew Margeson, Steve Jablonsky or James Dooley handle the composing duties. My top picks other than Zimmer for great tunes/themes would be Thomas Bergesen (from Two Steps from Hell), John Powell or Harry Gregson-Williams. But I'm not sure if their "sound" would fit into the franchise. If they just wrote the themes, Zimmers arrangers would make it work.

Rebel2017-05-26 11:09:28
After listening to the full score several times I can say that it's a nice mixture of arround 60% new themes and 40% old themes. Moreover it's cleverly written in a sense that it feels familiar yet new. Althought Zanelli is definitely no Zimmer, he definitelly does get pirate scoring. If I had to give it a rating it would be a definite 7.5/10.
It's definitely a score worth listening and you should skip it just because Zimmer didn't write it.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-26 02:26:19
For everyone complaining about the mix of this album don't forget, nothing beats Curse of the Black Pearl in terms of an awful recording mix. When you have a 'synthy' sounding orchestra and bass gain distortions that actually make it to album this really isn't anything in comparison.

And I think the key difference between Zimmer and Zanelli (at least on this franchises' terms) is that most of the themes Zimmer wrote for the franchise (Davy Jones, Beckett, Kraken, pretty much all of the original tunes from the 1st one, etc.) were actually incredibly simplistic. Geoff's tunes are less streamlined. They aren't bad by any means, but it's telling when the strongest parts are the reprises of things like Hoist the Colours and Marry Me.

Oscarilbo2017-05-26 03:07:33
Well... as you say, Zanelli's tunes tend to be less streamlined. You can hear it in his themes for Into the West, The Pacific, Outlander (the movie) and even the Spaniards themes in OST.

Not to say Zimmer's aren't great in their own merit, but are not always the same exact approach.

mpolonest123 2017-05-26 03:27:28
Right. The difference between Zimmer and many other composers (for me at least) is that you can almost immediately tell if you like a Zimmer score off the bat. DMTNT is something that needs a few listens to grow on you, and so far I'm liking what I hear.

When I heard Fantastic Beasts for the first time I was initially disappointed but after about 3 listens and hearing it in context it became my favorite score of the year. Everyone is different of course, but I feel like this score will grow on people with time.

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 5 || 2017-05-25 19:05:36
I have to say, it still surprises me there's no "theme by Hans Zimmer" credit on the cover or in the booklet. This score has the main theme (1), Jack's theme (2), the Marry Me theme (3), and Hoist the Colors (4), along with some obvious temp stuff, and all Hans gets is a thanks?

Not that it really matters, and hey, some would argue Geoff wasn't properly credited when Hans was in charge. Oh well. We know crediting has never been something RCP particularly cares about. :P I do like the overall score, and I think they couldn't have picked a better composer than Geoff in Hans' absence. Geoff said Hans and the directors and he all got together to discuss the music, so...was it Hans' idea to, say, use the Marry Me theme for Henry?

iii2017-05-25 19:38:29
'I think they couldn't have picked a better composer than Geoff in Hans' absence'

I disagree, Mike. The strongest arrangements of Hans' material in the franchise were Henry Jackman.

'some would argue Geoff wasn't properly credited when Hans was in charge.'

'some' would be wrong. Geoff Zanelli was credited as an additional music arranger because that's what he did. The weakness of this score's ideas in comparison to particularly the third one speaks to the importance of the primary composer. There is nothing in this score the equivalent of "Marry Me" or "Hoist the Colors" or "Jack Sparrow" or "The Kraken" or even "Mermaids".

The score misses Zimmer big time, but I suspect if the film had looked interesting he might've been tempted back. The reality is Hans (love it or hate it) has a strong musical voice and you can feel its absence.

The main new theme is boring and the dreary cello version in the end credits is a completely over-used sound these days. And the mix of the whole score is appalling - even worse than On Stranger Tides flat soundscape. How did they manage to make a 100 piece orchestra sound like a demo for an off the shelf sample library?

Everything is just another backwards step.

Mike (OTM)2017-05-25 19:45:15
Actually, iii, I expressed similar sentiments to yours in a reply below this post. :) Hans' absence is definitely felt.

As for Jackman vs. Zanelli, I'm not sure the two can be fairly compared. Yes, Henry made interesting arrangements, but most of what he did was the love theme from POTC 3. Zanelli, on the other hand, has worked on all four films and written a couple themes. So I feel like Jackman would have had to work on more for us to really say whether he's the stronger composer for the franchise.

iii2017-05-25 21:48:46
I missed that, sorry! I agree with your other comment.

Jackman's contribution to the 2nd half of love suite, his rollicking orchestral mayhem in "I don't know if now is the best time" provide plenty of evidence of him imposing his style effectively on the material.

Alexander2017-05-25 22:58:43
Hans has not done this one because he was working on dunkirk at the time as far as I know. I saw the movie last night and for sure things like "What shall we die for", "One day", "Jack Sparrow", the legendary "He's a pirate" or even the bit of the musical clock/bell theme from davy jones and Calypso at the VERY end of the film are things that Hans wrote of course. In the movie itself you hear this stuff very often especially in the first hour of the movie which is packed with old themes. But Geoff Zanelli still wrote the other 60%/65% of the music so I can imagine that Hans said that they can give it to Zanelli because even if most of the themes are from Hans, he was most likely not heavily involved at the writing and scoring process. He was most likely there at the beginning of the process like Zanelli said in an interview and made sure that this story needed things like one day or the medallion calls. And he is not credited because of the fact that he was doing dunkirk and for sure his live tour and so he was like mentioned before only there at the beginning of the process and wrote/refined the new versions of one day or he's a pirate if he did anything. But i thought as well that they could have mentioned him in the credits like they mentioned Zanelly or even Steve Jablonsky in the credits of the first one or John Williams at Rogue One.

Edmund Meinerts2017-05-26 02:04:13
"How did they manage to make a 100 piece orchestra sound like a demo for an off the shelf sample library?"

MV/RC has existed for over two decades now and you're actually still surprised at this? XD

Waymann reply Replies: 4 || 2017-05-25 20:25:21
Lots of people complaining about the film and the score, makes me a little bit irritated. Of course this was never gonna reach the level of the first films. It never will be, it's been 10 years. I am a hugh fan of these films and after watching the new film I felt so good. That cheesy ending was actually so so cool. The movie wasn't perfect put they did some good things in it. I haven't heard this album yet but I listened to the samples and everything I wanted on this album, I did hear those parts in the samples. Afterwards I was humming that new adventure theme all day, even how unoriginal it is. It's cool and Carina's theme is a great new addition. This score is much than On Stranger Tides maybe think about that. Let this score grow on you. Most people now base their opinion on just this suite. Honestly ? It doens't reflect the score that well.

Hybrid Soldier2017-05-25 20:28:52
Yeah I made a shitty suite ! :( :( :( lol

Ds2017-05-25 20:31:17
If that cheesy ending was "so so cool", it's just because it's a powerful reminder of how beautiful the 3rd movie was. And even more so in comparison to this dreadful 5th outing.

Oscarilbo2017-05-25 20:42:59
Yeah... I know what you mean...

First of all, I want this movie to be a fun ride. I cannot ask of it what I would ask of a Nolan production, for once. But I know I cannot ask of this movie what I would ask of a 2nd or a 3rd part. I say this because since DMTNT begins production they (producers) hinted it was the BEGINNING of a new adventure, So they had to go back to "ground 0". And is not too difficult to guess that they'd try the Star Wars formula; POTC 5 is basically Force Awakens in its intentions at the least.

So what really put me off is the fact that all this hate will only cause to not greenlit more adventures :( , because, well.. apparently audience doesn't want this dessert anymore.

Ds2017-05-25 21:10:08
"Going back to ground 0" doesn't mean "make a poor movie".
I would like more Pirates movies, but not if they make them as bad as the 4th and 5th ones. They could have written an original story (I'm sure there are good writers out there who could have found something fresh) and started a new adventure just like the 2nd and 3rd movies did. It's not impossible.
But rather they just tried to remake the 1st movie. If they did it for the 5th one, why do you think they wouldn't do it for the 6th one? Judging by the post-credit scene, they are clearly not afraid of ripping off the previous movies even more... :-D

Oscarilbo reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-25 20:01:25
I have yet to listen to the score, and I will after see the movie because I want to experience it on the movie itself first.

But if you read the very insightful interview with Zanelli for filmmusicamg, he talks about the "differences" between composers at RCP, and when Zimmer liked something of Zenelli its because, in Zimmer's words "it sounds so Geoff" (I think he was racalling it about Tia Dalma's theme and the tribal island music from DMC). So I think is kind of unfair to expect Geoff's music to sound very Zimmer's, realistically speaking.

I've been listening Zanelli's scores a few years now, and I think I Identify his style and his type os themes, which are not like Zimmer`s at all (talking about notes specifically)... so based on his scores I expect this to be a very Geoff Zanelli score leaning to POTC style and just a little of Zimmer.

You can see the differences in the OST album, just listen on what Zimmer composed and the listen the Spaniard's theme, which is by Zanelli.

Soroush reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-25 19:14:59
I like the score but the thing is, Hans increased our expectations with those amazing themes and creative melodies (which all of us love them). But now, obviously, we will not hear what we expected from a "Pirates of the Caribbean" soundtrack. I really admire Geoff Zanelli and I know he is trying as much as he can to do this score.
But eventually, I myself wanted an orchestra playing some "Hans Zimmer style" pirate melodies.
That's all.

Mike (OTM)2017-05-25 19:22:16
Like someone said below, regardless of how much Zanelli or others worked on the previous films, you could always tell you were listening to a Zimmer score on the whole. And for good or ill, Zimmer made some really memorable themes in these movies. Sure, they were derivative at times (Drop Zone? Gladiator? The Rock?), but throughout the films he worked on, he always brought interesting stuff to the table. His absence is noticed here, IMHO. He was always - pardon the pun - steering the ship when other people wrote material on the other films, so even on cues that were mostly someone else, his imprint was there directly.

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 5 || 2017-05-25 13:30:50
Wow...the Gladiator temp at 5:05. :/

mpolonest1232017-05-25 16:05:56
I kept wondering where I had heard that before and now that you mention it.... wow that's blatant : /

Oscarilbo2017-05-25 17:35:08
haha to be fair, POTC have always had "that" moment from Gladiator (the battle) in the main theme. So, in a weird sense is kind of congruent hahaha.

It really is the RC sound at its purest. Happens with many of the RC productions, they "collide".

Bioscope2017-05-25 17:43:10
And what about that Patricide/Zucchabar mashup in AWE?

Oscarilbo2017-05-25 17:49:02
Yeah... in the end, Gladiator and POTC share much of the same soundscape. Same for 2004's King Arthur.

Hybrid Soldier2017-05-25 18:31:27
The worst is still the cue "Elizabeth Declares War" from POTC 3 which is note for note "Afraid Of The Dark" from Gladiator lol...

meh reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-25 16:20:48
The movie was horrendous and the score was annoying. really disappointed. :/

They spend three years on THAT script! It's terrible!!!

Oscarilbo2017-05-25 16:36:55
...and you loved the past trilogy and OST ??

meh2017-05-25 17:53:13
no OST was bad as well. None of movies are perfect but this one they said would be better.

the script sucks. jokes for babies. jerry bruckheimer just has no ideas.

Hah reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-25 15:53:49
Told you Zimmer was involved. Maybe not there to score, but helped in a way. Don't question me hybrid hah!

Eric reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-25 13:47:01
The Blackbeard theme is not Salazar theme it is from what I hear used for his Crew I have heard a little snippet of Salazar theme and it sounds completely different.

meta2017-05-25 14:14:42
Salazar theme sounds like a hybrid of Blackbeard plus Beckett.

Oscarilbo2017-05-25 15:36:42
what do mean? the beginning segment of the Blackbeard theme is what Salazar's theme sound like, not the theme itself.

Or are you saying that minute of preview on the "EL MATADOR DEL MAR" does not include Salazar's theme yet?

M4dRocket reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-25 15:09:06
Good score. Of course not the level of the trilogy, but "On stranger tides"not the inferior.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 12 || 2017-05-24 21:34:37
OK here is a suite I made of it !

GPrice2017-05-24 21:39:34
My man. Thank you

Crisp Rat2017-05-24 21:56:35
Is that Blackbeard's theme at 2:15? Is that a flashback or is it just a lazy reuse of themes?

Micah2017-05-24 21:59:37
Thanks, Hybrid. Once again, you're the man!

Anyone know what the theme at the beginning is? I assumed it was Carina's theme, but it could be the new adventure theme instead?

Micah2017-05-24 22:10:09
Then again, I assume 9:40 is the new adventure theme?

Also, 9:40 is the best part of the suite. Can't get enough of it.

mpolonest123 2017-05-24 22:36:31
Eh, I'm not really like Blackbeard's - I mean Salazar's theme. It sounds like a temped mix of the Blackbeard theme and Ramin's Kaiju theme from Pacific Rim.

The rest sounds pretty good, especially the references to "Marry Me"

Hybrid, what are your impressions of the full thing?

Hybrid Soldier2017-05-24 22:56:21
Well I saw the film today as well and I can't express how disappointed I was by it... Such a mess, with a bunch of horrible things and some good ones halas buried in the rest...

As for the score, it flows better on CD, but Geoff did really good, much better than the 4th.

Eric2017-05-24 23:04:04
Does ol Hector Barbossa get his own theme or do they use Becketts again?

mpolonest1232017-05-24 23:06:17
That's not surprising to hear, this series really has become one big cash grab (moreso than it already was)

I'm really excited to hear the full score on album when it drops, Geoff is enormously talented. Judging by the suite alone there really aren't any new moments that pop out to me or scream
memorable. Even On Stranger Tides managed to fit in some pretty solid new ideas, and a decent album presentation outside of the remixes.

Also, is it just me or is the recording a bit flat?

Oscarilbo2017-05-25 00:24:45
I imagine some kind of connection between Salazar and Blackbeard. Not that is in the movie, may be conceptual, but I don't think is "accidental" or laziness. It sounds pretty intentional

-2017-05-25 01:06:40
Hybrid - what did you like/not like about it?

Manulder2017-05-25 10:57:40
Thanks Hybrid

Merci Hybrid &#128512;

Medigo2017-05-25 11:11:15
Yes that Salazar theme does basically take a segment from the Blackbeard theme, lets not be kidding ourselves. But Ill reserve judgment until I hear the full rendition.

Max Potcats reply Replies: 6 || 2017-05-24 23:13:51
salazar's theme guys : ymusic

bbs272017-05-25 00:05:02
just a recall of the Davy Jones first appearance music :

huh?2017-05-25 00:11:35
this sounds nothing at all like davey jones. or blackbeard as other people said. i think many people decided not to like this score before it came out. that's all i think when i see these comments. is anyone actually listening?

iii2017-05-25 00:27:23
Quite the opposite most people (who care) were/are looking forward to seeing what Geoff Zanelli would do after the uninspiring On Stranger Tides.

Having said that I'm not feeling this one. I'm glad it was composed by someone who wanted to do it but I think Hans' creativity is missed, honestly. For all the talk about ghost-writers (which I've argued about on here a few times), it's telling when you hear the original work of people who've arranged his compositions and compare.

I will say one thing in defence of it. Last time out (with OST) we got our first exposure to the score back when there was a possibility the film would still be good. Sadly it's been confirmed as shit and I wonder if that biases my view when listening to it and makes me less receptive.

Oscarilbo2017-05-25 02:17:51
It sounds very much like the intro motif from Blackbeard theme, not the theme itself, although not the same exact notes neither.

I think is merely intentional to these have the same "DNA", is not accident. Remember Zanelli was heavily involved in Stranger Tides, much more than the trilogy.

Brent2017-05-25 02:41:40
I'm actually pretty excited by what I'm hearing. Carina's new theme is nice and I love the orchestral energy Geoff brings to this one. The one gripe I have with this so far is that Salazar's theme, at least the beginning, is almost Blackbeard's theme note for note. It even has some of the same instrumentation. Other than that, I tip my hat to Geoff.

Olivia2017-05-25 04:03:16
It is the Black Beard theme with a new arrange. Maybe exist some reason behind this

Joseph Solano reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-25 00:27:23
The suite brought tears to my eyes. The music I hope is Carina's theme is too beautiful for words.

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Eric reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-24 22:51:39
The Suite sounds great and the music from the instagram video the director Joachim Ronning posted is at around the 0:25 second mark I think but Geoff Zanelli did great with this.

Iamtommie reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-24 21:28:53

Geoff Zanelli about the new Pirates movie, the soundtrack and the character themes in the movie.

Waymann reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-24 17:14:27
Just when we thought there would be no remixes on this soundtrack. The digital release will included a bonus track with this piece of shit track: by Dimitri Vegas en Like Mike (those guys who play music with there macbooks and usb sticks.)

Nobody asked for this track. This is going to the trash once the soundtrack is downloaded on my ipad.

Waymann reply Replies: 5 || 2017-05-24 00:00:05
Just saw the film. Was great by the way, much much beter than On Stranger Tides. Now on the score: I'm not blow away by it (Not all the new theme's are great) BUT... First the new theme for Carina and the stars is by far the best new thing in the pirates soundtrack universe. It's beautiful, something new and adventurous. The new adventure theme is actually a new variation on He's a Pirate or Jack's theme (can't really tell, need to here it again.) which has been used a lot in previous films during the action sequences. First time i heard it, it thought it was a little bit simple and unoriginal but hearing it for a multiple times in the film I really started to like it! It's good they made something new to use during the action sequences instead of the overused he's a pirate or jack's theme, It gives the movie it's own voice.

Salazar's theme was for me the most dissapointing, it sounded too much like Davy Jones and his crew, also I don't even remember it. Missed opportunity over here. But what really stood out for me are the old themes. Dear lord I got goosebumps at the end when One Day (Will & Elizabeth's theme from Pirates 3) is used, it's emotional and epic. Also the beginning of the movie has a some tragic variations of Will and Elizaberh theme from Pirates 3. Hopefully this will be on the soundtrack! Also somethimes the Marry Me suite is used shortly for Henry during action moments.

It's amazing to see that these themes, made 10 years ago, still have there effect as they are used in a new movie (it also helpes ofcourse that storylines from At World's End finally pay off in this film) and they are used in a proper way, they always fit the scene in this movie (not like in On Stranger Tides we're theme's are used in scenes that didn't have a connection to it at all). I really hope the score album will make a good represention of this films complete soundtrack, waiting another multiple years for a complete score? (the opening track in this film for exemple, or that short little string piece when Carina appolizes to Henry) I don't think I can do that. Looking forward to friday to hear what they will give us.

Ds2017-05-24 00:41:44
Well for me sadly it is just a reminder of how great the original trilogy was. The best things in this movie are the returning characters, and the returning love theme from At World's End. Aside from that, it's just like the 4th movie: another forgettable round in the same old attraction. Except this time there are some naval battles, so at least it looks like a pirates movie, which makes it just a little better than the 4th one. But still far, far below the first 3 movies.

genius2017-05-24 01:39:13
Salazar is just another version of Davy Jones and his crew but with no motivation.

Jerry Bruckheimer -

Before OST:
"Blackbeard is probably the evilest character we've ever had"
"It harkens back more the first one."
"The beginning of a whole new adventure... a whole new fresh look to the pirates movies"
"We've got these two beautiful new characters"

Before DMTNT
"I think Salazar is the head of the family tree of the previous villains. He is the most frightening weíve ever had because heís merciless."
"What's fresh about this is the fact we're introducing these new characters"
"It's so fresh, so different, so scary"

Eric2017-05-24 02:21:16
Does Barbossa have a theme in Dead Men Tell No Tales?

Max Potcats2017-05-24 02:26:09
no Eric sorry but there is nothing noticeable in the score for Barbossa. Nothing new i mean :/

Cayman2017-05-24 10:05:08
I have to admit, that new adventure theme it's stuck in my head all day. Don't know how suddenly popped up into my head.

Max Potcats reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-24 02:19:09
Ok guys, I just saw the movie too, in "avant-premi&#232;re" in France. I must begin by saying i'm a huge fan of PotC since 10 years now, and especially thanks to the music, such original for a "hollywood movie". I remember myself earing the Singapore theme in the theatre, and thinking "ooh my god, I've never heard something like that before ! It's sooo coool !". And, I have never heard anything like this since in others blockbusters. The scores was very uniques.
Since 10 years now i'm a fan of Zimmer too and i know every single note of every Pirate film, and i'm not kidding.
So the movie was ok, great beginning, disappointing ending but LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SCORE !!!

First of all, Zanelli is not Zimmer. It's simple : after watching any pirate movie (even OnStTi) we had a new theme in mind (The Main Theme, the Kraken Theme, Davy Jones, Hoist the Colors, One Day, Up Is Down, Mermaids etc.). Here, we don't. The music "feels pirate" but that's all ; no remarquable new great theme... sorry guys. Well, the only really remarquable is the Salazar's theme, between The Kraken, BlackBeard and Davy Jones, but we just remember the rock guitar, not the melody ;-(

It's hard to admit, especially from a fan who expected a lot from Zanelli, but the Soundtrack is just another hollywood soundtrack, barely remarkable, without originality. The greats themes are these from the others movies, the Zimmer's ones. And very often that's almost exactly the same : "Day One" in the beginning ; "Barbossa Is Hungry" or the Beckett's Death music in "I Don't Think Now Is the Best Time" is steel for the climax of potc5...

So, i'm nor waiting the soundtrack anymore, maybe IF there is some suites in it, but I don't think so... Too Bad. I miss Zimmer and Verbinski ;-(

Oscarilbo2017-05-24 02:48:47
Well... Zanelli composed Tia Dalma and the percussive Island music from the past trilogy at the least... also the spaniards theme from OST which was my favorite new theme.

in a new interview Zanelli explains that he, both directors and Zimmer sat down to decide on the new music, so Zimmer is still present... search the interview in

Randy Watson2017-05-24 09:56:16
There are a lot of ways to describe the Pirates scores, but "original" or "never heard something like that before", certainly not.

Micah reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-24 02:17:33
Somebody on Reddit posted that the soundtrack is already on sale at Disneyland.

kingfannypack reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-24 01:58:00
Where can we find out about deluxe soundtrack releases, for instance if Dunkirk was also released in a "special edition" or whichever, where could I learn or hear about it?

Scott reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-23 22:03:28
Anyone know when the soundtrack will be released? I'd assume the day of the film's release, May 26, but usually the series' soundtracks have been released earlier. I haven't seen anything for the soundtrack on iTunes, which is a bit concerning.

Micah2017-05-23 23:39:24
Amazon has it listed for this Friday, May 26th.

genius reply Replies: 16 || 2017-05-22 18:50:21
Looks like the film is shaping up to be a disappointment and to be honest the music we've heard so far doesn't sound great either. The new themes are simplistic and boring.

I hope I'm wrong but it's not looking great.

Max Potcats2017-05-22 19:31:44
mdr don't you want to... i don't know... see the movie and listend to the score before juge it ? i do.

The Pale King2017-05-22 19:34:23
I'd say the reception has been decidedly mixed so far; however, many reviewers I've trusted, some of whom aren't even terribly smitten with the series itself, have cited the return to the classic Pirates theme(s) / sound as a definite positive.

We'll have to see, I suppose ...

Olivia2017-05-22 21:39:58
Guy wait for release

...2017-05-22 21:48:06
I am looking forward to this score, although I did hear a couple of reviewers say the score was loud and boring (and composed by Zimmer ;))

Oscarilbo2017-05-22 22:24:25
Haven't heard anything of the score yet, but read a couple of twitter comments (specially from GoSoundtrack) and said Zanelli neiled perfectly, combining old themes with new themes.

Alyssa2017-05-23 00:12:01
Yup. Whatever's being said about the movie itself, the majority of the reviews I'm seeing seem to be agreement that the music score is a high point this time around.

rt2017-05-23 02:54:42
None of the reviews I've read mention the music.

34% on Rotten Tomatoes. Depp is Box Office poison as well.

No wonder Hans abandoned the ship.

Micah2017-05-23 04:36:33
To be fair, Pirates hasn't ever been a critical darling.

Waymann2017-05-23 10:59:02
The main thing i'm reading is that it's better than the fourth one and that's all I need to know. Of course it will never be like the original trilogy. Pirates 2 en 3 are my favorites and those have indeed mixed reviews. Tonight i'm finally going to see it.

Oscarilbo2017-05-23 15:46:52
The problem is... everyone praises the 1st one as a "perfect" swashbuclking adventure, and I don't really know why! I like the first one, but didn't love this franchise until the 2nd came out... that's when I fell in love with Pirates of the Caribbean.

Not only the cinematography, but the pace and the characters and the epicness and the music, all got better the second and third time around, for me. And yes, the screenplay too, again, for me. Love all the complexity.

The 4th one? I like it as much as the 1st one. So this reports of the new one be better than 2 and 3 (and 4 mainly) "but not as much as the 1st one" means that maybe I will love it.

As Micah says... pirates hasn't been a critical hit, but Jack Sparrow is now a pop culture icon nonetheless and as long as they keep delivering a wet fun ride, I'll keep giving them my money.

Edmund Meinerts2017-05-23 15:51:03
"as long as they keep delivering a wet fun ride, I'll keep giving them my money."

Sounds like a Yelp review of a brothel.

depp2017-05-23 16:29:18
Depp's performance in the clips they released is awful. He looks fat and he acts like a clown.

Oscarilbo2017-05-23 17:37:42
It amaze me how volatile we as an audience are.
First we love an actor for being good, new, and fresh. Then by that, that actor keeps doing what we love him for... then we get bored and then we hate him and doom him for being what he "has become"...

suddenly he is a "bad" actor, just for keeping doing what made him a good actor in the first place.

Yes, we are also part of why hollywood is what it is now. We all are part of the same game of shallowness.

genius2017-05-23 22:31:24
"Geoff Zanelliís score is one of the most annoying of recent memory, but maybe itís not the composerís fault. For slow, dull action scenes he scores loud, propulsive music to make the audience think itís seeing something that isnít there. We get the horns of profundity and the strings of sincerity, not to mention the soaring choruses that tell us that grand things are really happening now, oh boy ó and that these people are really feeling something ó and arenít we privileged to be swept away on this epic of joy and adventure? . . . And none of it is on the screen."


" In the midst of all the galloping, carousing and general crazy hysteria of the movie, the score by Geoff Zanelli acts as a metaphor for the movie itself, working so hard to inspire feeling, but sounding like clanging desperation instead."

Score getting hammered as well. =

GPrice2017-05-23 22:36:54
Genius, to be fair, the score for At World's End got some, not a lot, but some nasty reviews as well, and for similar "reasons" as well: too loud, too bombastic, saying more than what's happening on the screen, etc. I think we just need to listen to the score and watch the movie to see for ourselves... because if anyone is like me, I love all the scores and movies except for On Stanger Tides... regardless of the poor reviews. I've been wrong before though lol

Oscarilbo2017-05-23 22:59:25
well... yeah. that's the purpose of film music... complement the images, not just being there... I had read that review, but only that critic I've seen trash the music as well...

But don't go to far.. that's exactly the type of criticism is being thrown at Spielberg/Williams lately.. and if you don't believe me, just search for WarHorse reviews.

That folkes, are how 80s and 90s film music used to work.

TDS-Matt reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-21 06:07:03
I'mg going to throw up a spoiler warning just in case, but I saw Pirates 5 for a second time tonight and have a pretty good idea where each of these themes fit, and I figured I'd let you know what you're in for.

Also, I'm not especially well-versed with specific cue titles -- I'm an idiot and always associate the Will and Elizabeth kiss from Curse of the Black Pearl with He's a Pirate instead of One Last Shot, etc. -- so I'll try to describe as best I can.

1. Dead Men Tell No Tales

A fair bit of One Day, with a little bit of Dutchman music as well.

2. Salazar

Salazar's new theme, which feels a little bit hard rock and modern.

3. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel

Classic Pirates action theme.

4. You Speak Of The Trident

I can't remember specific cues from this section of the movie, though I imagine Carina's theme makes an appearance.

5. The Devil's Triangle

Dark, Salazar's theme.

6. Shansa

This is Barbossa visiting the witch. I don't remember any returning themes here.

7. Kill the Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait

A mix of that classic Pirates action theme, One Day, and a brief Hoist the Colours appearance.

8. The Dying Gull

Hoist the Colours

9. El Matador Del Mar

More Salazar theme.

10. Kill The Sparrow

This is the flashback to Jack besting Salazar, so there's some of the latter's theme and bit of Jack to sell his origin story.

11. She Needs The Sea

This is all Black Pearl.

12. The Brightest Star In The North

Carina's theme!

13. I've Come With The Butcher's Bill

Action cues as Salazar attacks Jack and company at night.

14. The Power Of The Sea

More action cues.

15. Treasure

There's a slower, sadder version of the music that plays when Beckett is killed in At World's End. (I really like this part of the movie, and the score really works.)

16. My Name Is Barbossa

Spoilers :) Depending on the track split, One Day could pop up here...

17. Beyond My Beloved Horizon

...or here, along with He's a Pirate.

Eric2017-05-21 20:38:30
Does Barbossa have his own theme in the movie and if he does is it on any of the soundtracks from the first four movies.

Alyssa2017-05-22 04:52:17
Judging by the last minute or so of the premiere livestream, I'm glad that they've gone back to the tradition of having 'He's A Pirate' launching the end credits before segueing into what sounds like one of the brand new themes specific to Pirates 5. It's a shame that 'On Stranger Tides' cheated somewhat on this front by simply regurgitating Jack's heroic and action themes for their segue.

TDS-Matt2017-05-23 05:36:11
I didn't notice Barbossa having his own theme.

(I also goofed a little bit - pretty sure El Matador Del Mar is the flashback with Salazar and Jack, and Kill the Sparrow is the bit with zombie sharks.)

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