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and Zimmer was also involved in this movie as if it was in the previous ones?<br>======================<br><br>Hmm, I don't think Hans was involved here. He helped on TF4 and did some work on TF2 (to what extent I don't know) but that's pretty much it. Then again, Hans seems to be always around when it's a Michael Bay production.... :)and Zimmer was also involved in this movie as if it was in the previous ones?Really waiting for this soundtrack and hope Wallfisch will bring new vision into Hellboy universe.@Hybrid thanks a lot for your answers and your detective work!<br>Funny to see that Lorne does that much uncredited help (I know it’s only the tip of the iceberg, and that he isn’t the only one, as Bayhem said the rcp composers must help each other every time...)Please Hybrid. Make a forum with register members.
It and A Cure For Wellness by Benjamin Wallfisch.<br>.....................<br><br>Well, I'll be goddamned! I totally forgot about 'A Cure For Wellness'. I absolutely loved the movie and yes, the score is truly great and memorable, especially the main theme. Wallfisch knocked it out of the park with that one.<br><br>It seems that every time Gore Verbinski makes a horror movie we're treated with a great score. First it was 'The Ring' - which IMO is one of the best horror scores ever - and more recently 'A Cure For Wellness'. Both very immersive, creepy and atmospheric scores. Exactly the type of horror scores that I love.I think it's safe to say that the power anthems and the tracks that were very much an homage to the 90's MV/RC sound were done by Jablonsky. Balfe was never a "power anthem" type of composer. He's more like John Powell, while Steve is more like Hans. Steve has embraced the MV/RC sound, while Lorne is more "reserved".<br><br>That's why I'm extremely curious to hear Lorne's music for SIX UNDERGROUND. The 13 Hours score is great but it was very, for lack of a better word, contained. Which is understandable, considering the subject matter. But Six Underground is a huge balls-to-the-wall action adventure that takes place all over the world and Lorne really has a shot to go as wild and big as he can. I'm sure Bay would love that :)We'll see...When is the new website gonna be up? and will there be a forum with registered members?I remember seeing discussion several times on this forum about how Lorne would often reply to people on his social media accounts when they asked him for his credits in the scores he did additional music for. So does anyone have any credits that he or other composers have shared about this film?
This feature will be gone from the future website, AT LAST...I just saw the show last night in London and loved the visual integration  of the movies into the show .<br><br>Overall I reckon I preferred his show last time in London as he did not do interstellar which was really disappointing for me :( I also wish he did more tracks from the dark knight series as they were my faves at his last show.<br><br>In all the soundtracks the voters give very low note. You are a gang of unhappy people.Probably.Are there any other tracks in the album which were composed by Balfe? Just wondering...
I assumed you meant the forums themselves. I knew composer websites were a way to find their credits, I just didn't think to do it for this score yet for some reason.See the guys uotop listed next to jablonsky? click their names and go to their websites. You have to do the work. But there they are. Right on this site.^ Have to agree with you there. It’s not a terrible film by any means, but given the concept it is surprisingly bland. There were so many opportunities to do something cool with the dream concept, but it felt to me like they played it “safe”. And yes, the characters are extremely forgettable. I will give credit to Jackie Earl Haley, he does a pretty good job with the material he is given.<br><br>And I just remembered 2 excellent horror scores from the past few years: <br>It and A Cure For Wellness by Benjamin Wallfisch."Luke Richards did “Ospreys” and Gary Dworetsky did “Calling All Autobots”. You can find that out from this very site." <br><br>I've looked through this thread several times and I never saw that information, but I appreciate you filling me in! And yeah, Hybrid, it is kind of difficult for me to distinguish between Lorne and Steve's TF styles. They both kind of blend in since the style was established with their heavy collaboration in the first 2 films.<br>The music is good, definitely better than Amityville (which I never found scary or interesting). The overuse of the cello and ambient/atonal cues gets annoying at times, but unlike a lot of modern horror there is real substance here. A decent amount of themes (but not too many), some decent suspenseful ostinato bits, good use of children's choir, and good thematic development. I don't have any interest in Steve's ambient horror scores because I really dislike that type of music.<br><br>As for the remake it's really mixed for me. There are genuinely creepy visuals and ideas, but with often poor execution. My go-to example is there's a great dream sequence with "not-Johnny Depp" in the library with dream-like visuals such as Freddy turning around inhumanly quickly. But that final visual is accompanied by a jump-scare for no reason and completely kills the impact of it. If his turning was completely silent, it would have been much more terrifying. <br><br>Jackie Earle Haley did a really good job as Freddy, (especially in the alternate ending), and Rooney Mara executed the material she was given very well. But unfortunately the characters are bland, all fitting into the emo/hipster teenager stereotype and little else. It also doesn't help that much of the deleted and alternate scenes ended up being much more interesting than the final ones we were stuck with, (Hospital Opening, Dean's original death scenes, and Alternate Ending).
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  10. Variation 15 (Dunkirk) (5:51)
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Kingfannypack is the Milfcommander reply Replies: 1 || 2018-01-24 21:17:01
So we should expect to see a FYC or expanded/complete/ReordingbSessions score soon?


badbu2018-01-25 07:51:42
i dont think so. The FYC Score is the "standard" Score.

Mikkel reply Replies: 34 || 2018-01-16 16:13:22
is there a complete score out there? the score is so amazing!


MaxPotcats2018-01-23 14:14:34
If it's nominated for the Oscar, the complete score will be released. So it should be out these weeks.


Badbu2018-01-23 14:34:11
YES HANS!!! The second Oscar is COMMING! :D


Edmund Meinerts2018-01-23 14:39:56
I'd like Hans to win another Oscar but please, not for this.


Ahmad2018-01-23 14:57:17
The score is brilliant. It does its purpose very well and it is an essential part of the movie. It's also the most creative of the bunch with the way it was recorded and edited.


badbu2018-01-23 15:06:28
yep ahmad! 100% right


George2018-01-23 15:10:31
Well it has officially been nominated. Fingers crossed for the complete score now


Ahmad2018-01-23 15:21:37
@badbu &#128077;

I honestly don't know how a complete score is going to work. They weren't kidding when they said the music is done like one long track.

What I understood from a Q&A with Nolan is that they didn't do it the usual way which means there are cues that are cut together / exist as segments. This was done in a different way where to create such cues, they used automation graphs to bring the layers in and out. Very complex.

One of the reasons why I think this deserves to win so many awards.


Anonymous2018-01-23 15:26:58
I hope Dunkirk wins just to make the so-called "reviewers" and those who say it isn't music, more frustrated and annoyed.


Ahmad2018-01-23 15:29:53
*That was a thumbs up but it didn't work :D

^This how I feel lol.


badbu2018-01-23 15:30:39
@Ahmad i only need "The Oil (Film Version)" :D Then i'll be happy :D


Edmund Meinerts2018-01-23 15:34:56
I hope it doesn't win if for no other reason than so we don't have to go through 5 years of Dunkirk temp tracks (although if 12 Strong is anything to go by, too late).


George2018-01-23 15:38:44
Here's an interesting opinion: I want Hans to win this one so that he DOESN'T continue making music like this. Sure its functional, but if he could reinvent the melodic score again and get back to writing memorable melodies I'd be pretty happy. He won for Lion King and then essentially abandoned that tone of music which transitioned into the Crimson Tide/The Rock sound... so maybe, just maybe, if he wins this year he'll completely reinvent his sound again and give us something both melodically memorable but also be a total game changer in terms of modern scores.


AndrewP2018-01-23 15:49:26
Edmund - gets you facts right please . 12 Strong was written before Dunkirk


Edmund Meinerts2018-01-23 16:09:39
Source? I find that hard to believe considering the release dates. Even if it is true, Balfe might have been concurrently working on Dunkirk and brought over some of the ideas. I find it spectacularly improbably that he and Hans just HAPPENED to come up with the same ideas at the same time.


MaxPotcats2018-01-23 16:44:21
Well, the credits say that Supermarine or the oil are pure Zimmer, and also the 3 first track I think. So Balfe helped him to develop some ideas during his tour but the majority of the score is Hans' work.
And it does deserve an Oscar. I never heard a score like that.. If you have a problem with the score I think it comes from the script. A classical melodical music wouldn t work for this film i think.


Mephariel2018-01-23 17:42:13
Doesn't deserve an Oscar. Hans Zimmer is my favorite composer but if he didn't win for Interstellar, he shouldn't win for this.

I can seriously say that I object this score winning based on that principle. This winning over Interstellar just isn't right.


Ds2018-01-23 17:53:40
Edmund, in all honesty what are the similarities between 12 Strong and Dunkirk? I know both scores and fail to see how they connect.


Ahmad2018-01-23 18:10:44
I've only heard the suite Hybrid made. The only similarity I was aware of is the siren-like sound.

People don't realize how difficult scoring Dunkirk was. Just because you love Interstellar (I do too - it's my favorite HZ score) but that doesn't mean Dunkirk doesn't deserve to win.


AndrewP2018-01-23 18:10:55
Edmund - the release dates do not matter . Check out Balfe’s Facebook page and you will see he was recording 12 Strong early last year .


Peter2018-01-23 18:40:51
Edmund - how do you think Zimmer wrote Dunkirk when he was on a world tour !!!Congratulations to Ben, Lorne also .


Ahmad2018-01-23 19:24:57
Hans finished the bulk of the score before he went on tour, you could find an interview where he himself says so.
Ben worked solely on Variation 15.
Scroll down on this page and you'll find the full cuesheet with the credits.


Olive2018-01-23 20:39:43
Balfe's hiring came out in May, when Dunkirk's production was already at the end. No contest.


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Miguel2018-01-23 22:39:11
Olive that is when it was announced !!! Not when he did it


Olive2018-01-23 23:15:16
I understand, but it does not make sense.
You're arguing that the score for a movie released in January this year was produced before of the score of a movie that went to theaters in July. If Balfe started working on "12 strong" a year before the movie release, the same can be said of Dunkirk. It is easy to infer that the Dunkirk's score has been working since the middle of 2016! Or even before, because of the tours that Zimmer has done.
The music/sound design, even being simple, was not made and recorded between January and May of last year.


superultramegaa2018-01-24 01:41:38
I'm with Edmund in that I'd love for Hans to win more Oscars, but not this score. I feel like even Blade Runner 2049 is more deserving of an award than this. Sure, it works great in the film, but that shouldn't be reason enough for an Oscar. I feel like Desplat's nominated score is more deserving than this one.

"But this one has a unique sound and recording!"

Okay... a lot of scores have that. A lot of Zimmer's work has that. Doesn't make them all masterpieces.

"But we have to spite those evil reviewers who hate this score!"

Why do you let their opinion get in the way of your enjoyment? If you love it enough, the critics' opinions should only make you enjoy it more because you see something in it they don't.

I agree with George in that Hans needs to go back to a melodic sound. I don't think whether this score wins or not will change Hans' mind on that, but I do want his next Oscar winner to mean something other than, "Oh cool! I won this award because I made weird sounds!" (Which by the way, involves things like programming and a lot of other technical adjustments that have nothing to do with Hans' composing ability).


Kingfannypack is the Milfcommander2018-01-24 06:37:45
All those people who complain that Hans isn't sticking to more traditional scores forget that at heart, hes a synth man who loves his synthesizers and keyboards. Hans is just as much as a musical artist as Bowie or Paul Mccartney, in the sense that he goes through musical trends and his style adapts or changes. That's just the way it is, enjoy it for what it is.

Crucify me for comparing a human to David Bowie!


Mike2018-01-24 12:30:26
Olive the problem is to me at least 12 Strong sounds very like 13 Hours. That then totally messes your argument up !13 Hours must be nearly 3 years old now.


Edmund Meinerts2018-01-24 12:49:19
What if I told you it was possible for a score to sound like two different things sometimes?


Max Potcats2018-01-24 13:41:28
That's why the album is almost only suites and not the real score from the movie I guess.


Olive2018-01-24 15:20:06
"13 hours" sounds like Black Hawk Down (2001), The Thin Red Line (1999) and Tears of Sun (2002). The first track of the score is a carbon copy of the Prince of Egypt theme (1998). What do you guess? They were composed even before Balfe worked with Zimmer.

What's more likely? Zimmer look through the three scores he composed in the past or look at the latest war score produced by Balfe?
The problem here is that you want to elevate Balfe the category of composer wronged of everything that comes out in Rcp these days. Transformers 5? Balfe was a ghostwriter here. The Crown? RGW did not even bother to write a single note. Do you know all Zimmer scores for the last 10 years? This man is an old bastard, Balfe has been carrying him on his back for years.

If Balfe had made up half of the score as in KFP3, that would already be known to all of us. Hybrid does not hide anything. Nor is there any reason to do so. These reactions are normal and understandable to some extent. Zanelli is another composer who has very ambiguous credits (he made the arrangement of the current theme of Pirates of the Caribbean! And many of the themes known in the franchise were co-composed, arranged or produced by him!) The same can be said of Balfe in several other situations, but not in Dunkirk.

It's simple. 13 hours is a regular score, 12 strong is not the type of music I like to listen to, not even Dunkirk, but there is no reason to create discussion about who came up with the idea first. It's like to say that Jablonsky created the sound of the Transformers when there were already King Arthur, Tears of the Sun, Crimson Tide and The Rock. Or that Djawadi created the sound of Game of Thrones when we already had Gladiator, Pirates, King Arthur and The Last Samurai out there as well. Or that the current DreamWorks animation style is not derived from the animation scores made by Powell and HGW.


I know all this is a result of the fact that they have all worked together for so long. Their styles come together and at the same time this is the style of production that is asked by the directors and producers to them. But 12 strong is not original, Dunkirk is not either, and 13 Hours has never been.


Olive2018-01-24 15:20:07
"13 hours" sounds like Black Hawk Down (2001), The Thin Red Line (1999) and Tears of Sun (2002). The first track of the score is a carbon copy of the Prince of Egypt theme (1998). What do you guess? They were composed even before Balfe worked with Zimmer.

What's more likely? Zimmer look through the three scores he composed in the past or look at the latest war score produced by Balfe?
The problem here is that you want to elevate Balfe the category of composer wronged of everything that comes out in Rcp these days. Transformers 5? Balfe was a ghostwriter here. The Crown? RGW did not even bother to write a single note. Do you know all Zimmer scores for the last 10 years? This man is an old bastard, Balfe has been carrying him on his back for years.

If Balfe had made up half of the score as in KFP3, that would already be known to all of us. Hybrid does not hide anything. Nor is there any reason to do so. These reactions are normal and understandable to some extent. Zanelli is another composer who has very ambiguous credits (he made the arrangement of the current theme of Pirates of the Caribbean! And many of the themes known in the franchise were co-composed, arranged or produced by him!) The same can be said of Balfe in several other situations, but not in Dunkirk.

It's simple. 13 hours is a regular score, 12 strong is not the type of music I like to listen to, not even Dunkirk, but there is no reason to create discussion about who came up with the idea first. It's like to say that Jablonsky created the sound of the Transformers when there were already King Arthur, Tears of the Sun, Crimson Tide and The Rock. Or that Djawadi created the sound of Game of Thrones when we already had Gladiator, Pirates, King Arthur and The Last Samurai out there as well. Or that the current DreamWorks animation style is not derived from the animation scores made by Powell and HGW.


I know all this is a result of the fact that they have all worked together for so long. Their styles come together and at the same time this is the style of production that is asked by the directors and producers to them. But 12 strong is not original, Dunkirk is not either, and 13 Hours has never been.


AndrewP2018-01-24 15:53:26
But Olive , Hybrid doesn’t know everything !


Olive2018-01-24 17:40:22
And who among us knows more than he? ;)


Michael2018-01-24 20:15:35
Me !

Hardy reply Replies: 0 || 2018-01-24 11:45:51
where can i find the cue sheets? thx

Anonymous reply Replies: 6 || 2018-01-13 16:24:49
Excuse me , would you please explain what is the additional music ? And dose all of the composers have some other composers to write additional music for their project ?


Mandarin2018-01-13 17:30:05
The main composer hires a team of other composers which may work on extra themes. This is the addiional music. But hiring these people is not necessary


Mephariel2018-01-13 21:54:55
Nearly every composer in Hollywood uses ghostwriters. Horner, Elfman, Beltrami, you name it.


Olive2018-01-14 01:22:54
I've never heard of Horner or Desplat, but Beltrami, Tyler, Doyle, McCreary, Elfman, JNH, all the composers of the Zimmer team and even Williams have additional composers listed or not on CD credits.

The role of the additional composer is very clear. He writes what the lead composer does not write because of lack of time. Delivery time is short and there is a lot of work involved in producing a score. Several professionals are involved in the process. And there are composers who grab a lot more work than they can do alone. Bear McCreary is an example. The man works on several television shows at the same time and still finds time to write music for movies. And the guy has a family (children need attention xD). It is almost impossible for him to control everything himself. The same goes for the others.


Anonymous2018-01-14 18:23:25
Thank you very much for your answers. Because i never saw other composers like wiliams or elfman credit other composers i had misunderstanding that only hans has additional music. Thank you again


Olive2018-01-14 21:18:20
The ghostwriter's identification on the soundtrack is subjective. Elfman, for example, gives credit for additional composer (the best known are Steve Bartek and Debora Lurie, now in JL Geoff Zanelli and Pinar Toprak have been credited so, and there are various situations like these), Zimmer gives credit as an additional composer as well , but sometimes masks the name of one or another composer by designating it under the function "ambient designer" and "additional arrangements". And Williams gives orchestrator credit as well as Goldsmith (since the two are musicians per lineup the contribution here is far less than in the cases of Zimmer and Elfman which are songs without technical training), and that works best for them.


oliver2018-01-15 00:17:01
# who are musicians***

Max Potcats reply Replies: 2 || 2017-12-28 01:53:04
This is two differents movies with two differents tones, we can just note how well Interstellar can be warm and emotional and how well Dunkirk is tension and suspense. Hans excels at both so it's hard to choose one best but obviously they arn't ment to be compare so can we stop this pointless debat here?
However, it deserve an Oscar as Interstellar, but will be ignored (as Interstellar)?


badbu2017-12-28 07:37:56
i don't care for what...but he has to get his second oscar!!! and i think dunkirk has good chances :-)


linus2018-01-14 17:58:24
YEEEESSSSS!!!! Hans has to win the Oscar. I mean: Maybe this soundtrack is not beautiful. But it is so intense and it makes the movie so much better. The music is just perfect.

R reply Replies: 7 || 2018-01-08 06:36:31
Lost to shape of water..Guess the jury has listening disabilities


Edmund Meinerts2018-01-08 09:42:41
Shape of Water is a lovely score.


MrZimmerFan2018-01-08 11:33:54
Agreed with Edmund


Mephariel2018-01-08 18:41:27
Shape of Water is a better score than Dunkirk.


k2018-01-09 04:46:24
i cant even think of a single person who even bothered to listen to that score


HZ fan2018-01-09 07:25:39
Agreed, If you are fan of shape of water, don’t post it on Dunkirk forum


Edmund Meinerts2018-01-09 08:48:49
I wouldn't say I'm a "fan" of it exactly, but there's nothing wrong with it winning. It's a fine score, not a masterpiece, but by the standards of scores that usually win awards it's perfectly okay. As for Mr "k", what a stupid statement considering that the three replies above you clearly are from people who did, in fact, listen to that score.


Ian2018-01-09 09:29:22
^ LOL, classic Edmund (intended as a compliment, btw)

I've not listened to Shape of Water, but Dunkirk (although it's growing on me) is blatantly not award material IMO; it plays much more like a standalone experimental piece than a film score - a bit like Inception, but with far less substance.

Speaking of which, some of the clicking/clanging effects in cues like The Mole sound to be almost directly lifted from some of the ambient cues from Inception.

Gotham Rogue reply Replies: 2 || 2018-01-08 07:14:10
Does anyone think if a (more) complete score had been created for FYC purposes that Dunkirk would have had a better chance of winning best score at the Golden Globes? Because purely based on album experience, Shape of Water is obviously a better listen. That being said, a complete score of Dunkirk would have made a huge difference; even the first 10-15 minutes of score would have been quite a good listen compared to the first 10-15 minutes of the official soundtrack release.


Gotham Rogue2018-01-08 07:15:51
And I'm sure voters watch the film as well when deciding on best score, but they must use the included CD to some extent or it wouldn't be given in voting packets.


mpolonest123 2018-01-08 17:22:49
You are absolutely right. The album edit for Dunkirk is such a disappointment, especially considering it is a score that not only is designed to compliment its film but work as one long musical piece. You take one section out (as Nolan said regarding the editing in film) you ruin the whole. Honestly I wish they wouldn’t have even put out an album if they weren’t going to use the whole score.

As for the GG win, I’m happy Shape of Water got it. It’s a very strong score, nothing groundbreaking but definitely better than say, The Last Jedi.

nvictor reply Replies: 1 || 2018-01-07 01:33:19
just listened to Hans podcast about Dunkirk. it confirmed a few things i suspected.

Hans started afresh __but__ he took with him everything he has gathered on his score making journey. writer Stephen King said one should build a toolbox. Hans has a big one.

you guys said Interstellar many times. yes it is. DK? MoS? BvS? you are right. you forgot all that ambient sound from the Langdon series and Inception. it's all in the technique. the little things that work.

Dunkirk presented many of that in a concise form. that's why i love this score so much.

comments like the one below will come up often. but all i can wish is more scores like this. i absolutely can't get enough of it.

i don't blame you guys... really. onwards and upwards like Junkie said ; )


Max Potcats2018-01-07 13:55:27
What is the podcast name please?

Tom reply Replies: 6 || 2017-10-03 16:37:33
I hate to be a party pooper here, but IMHO Dunkirk is a horrible soundtrack. Just a couple of sustained dissonant chords played over and over and over, ad nauseum. I mean come on Hans, can't you write beautiful and epic melodies anymore? This movie screamed for an epic theme that never materialized.

Now I know I am about to be attacked by all the die-hard Zimmer drones here but I'm just voicing my opinion. I long for the days when you could always count on Hans to deliver goose bump inducing epic memorable themes.


Waymann2017-10-03 16:57:24
I will not attack you but I don't agree that this film screamed for an epic main theme. Dunkirk is an expensive indiefilm, not Hacksaw Ridge or Saving Private Ryan. I think it was pretty clear from the beginning that this would be a more atmospheric score. Be prepared for Blade Runner 2049 this friday. It will be just the same.


Ahmad2017-10-03 16:58:58
"I mean come on Hans, can't you write beautiful and epic melodies anymore? This movie screamed for an epic theme that never materialized."

I hate to be the first one to break this down for you...

but maybe, just maybe, the guy who is in charge doesn't want that? If Nolan wanted an epic melodic theme, Zimmer would've written one. What part of collaboration you people don't understand?
It's not Zimmer's film it's Nolan's, he liked the score PERIOD.
You don't like it? that's okay, but it's perfect as it is and it served the film well. #TrollHarder


Ahmad2017-10-03 17:06:51
Wow that last line came off rude.
There are many ways and approaches to score a film and it makes me sad that some people want the same thing over and over again.

Although I disagree with you, I respect your opinion @Tom


Ds2017-10-03 17:40:08
Hans himself said that this score was more like "music by Christopher Nolan".

Christopher Nolan himself said this score had to be frustrating for Zimmer because his hands were tied for the whole process.


Der-Profl2017-10-03 21:40:27
What I like about humans is, that everyone has a different taste of music. It would be so boring if everyone would like the same. So, you don't like it, Tom, it's okay and I'm fine with that, and I like the score pretty damn much, cause it represents for me the pure sound of suspense, what the film also is, pure suspense. The score suits the film so well, that it is a great score. For me, of course!


Michael Conway Baker2018-01-06 23:52:29
I absolutely agree, Tom. I feel the score ruined the film.

Sami_Fares reply Replies: 0 || 2018-01-06 22:08:44
Hello Zimmer lover just want to ask what's the next project of him if anyone know something please enlighten us.

FaresTdkr reply Replies: 3 || 2017-12-30 09:24:38
Well yesterday I watched Batman vs superman and I really (100%)heard a lot of cues similar to Dunkirk. So I believe Hans did again and just copied from his previous work...disappointed!
this cues didn't exist in the soundtrack so you don't believe me watch the movie again.


Hybrid Soldier2017-12-30 21:05:40
Mmmmh... Nope.


Everan2018-01-05 23:28:12
Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.


Kingfannypack2018-01-06 05:56:10
Even if he did “copy” from his past work, it’s inevitable. When you score as many films as Hans has, repeating yourself just happens voluntarily or involuntarily. John Williams does it all the time, but never gets criticized for it- he shouldn’t anyways.

Dunkirk reply Replies: 5 || 2018-01-05 10:16:48
In a Deadline interview, Zimmer reveals (at 14:45) that they had made an entirely different, orchestral score for Dunkirk and had to scrap it because it didn't pair well with the movie. Too bad it wasn't released.


Hybrid Soldier2018-01-05 10:58:06
Well it's part of the process.

Hans can write 2 or 3 scores for certain movies. Matchstick Men was written 3 times, so was I'll Do Anything... Rango too...


Dunkirk2018-01-05 13:05:21
crazy...
is there a phisycal fyc cd out there? maybe with other cues from the movie? @Hybrid


Dunkrik2018-01-05 13:05:53
edit: physical


badbu2018-01-05 13:10:19
Yes! But the standard Score!


CalendarMan2018-01-05 19:50:20
interesting to hear Zimmers oppinion about this score in that interview. "it's a strange hybrid of ... things!". it pretty sums it up.

pipin reply Replies: 3 || 2017-12-29 11:37:56
the fyc score is on ebay


Medigo2017-12-29 11:49:05
the only images I see include the regular soundtrack release


badbu2017-12-29 15:37:48
yes, but the standard score...


Der-Profl2017-12-30 22:00:00
@pipin: Can you send a link? Or isn't it allowed here?

dunki reply Replies: 1 || 2017-12-22 17:26:10
The Shape Of The Water FYC on the website is the CD, but the ones being sold on Ebay are the complete score. So maybe there's one from Dunkirk as well.


ffaa2017-12-23 15:31:39
send the link

Frank reply Replies: 18 || 2017-12-19 04:50:23
So the Academy posted 141 scores eligible for nomination and Dunkirk is in! I was so worried about the use of Nimrod might disqualify it.


JBSO992017-12-19 09:13:30
So the nomination is almost assured ( and I would say that even the winning, but that depends on the other nominations)


Cynist2017-12-19 16:42:19
if he didn't win for interstellar he's certainly not gonna win for Dunkirk


Max Potcats2017-12-19 19:30:34
the academy desn't deserve Hans


JBSO992017-12-19 21:28:21
@Cynist Yeah, I think Interstellar was a better score for winning an award. I think this year might go for Master Williams (Star Wars and The Post) but there might be some surprises.

From the RCP family, I wish benjamin Wallfisch got at least nominated. He has had a really great year (A Cure For Wellness, It, Blade Runner, and well, collaborating in Dunkirk), and he deserves some recognition.


Macejko2017-12-19 21:54:11
Yeah, sure, let's jerk Williams' old cock some more. God forbid he didn't get nominated every time he squeezes a tune through one buttcheek.


Brian72017-12-19 22:22:33
Why isn’t Balfe and Ben mentioned as co writers for the awards?


Ds2017-12-19 22:41:48
From what I remember, Interstellar was kind of snubbed for the major awards nominations (best picture, director, actors, etc.), and was only nominated in the technical categories and the score. No surprise it didn't win.

Dunkirk on the other hand has more chances to get nominated in the top categories, thereby increasing its chance to win best score.

But anyway I don't think Hans will win. There are enough Academy members who love him to secure a nomination, but not enough for a win.


Ahmad2017-12-19 23:09:54
Interstellar was perfection, but you people are ignoring how incredible Dunkirk's score is. It's not just background music, it's part of the movie. Hans and the music department did a wonderful job.

Anyway, the academy is inconsistent. There are many scores that had incredible melodies which some might call "real music" and were snubbed because the movies themselves were snubbed. This time, it seems like Dunkirk will release more recognition (best picture, best director and many technical awards probably) so I say it definitely has a chance at winning.


james (now james callahan)2017-12-20 02:38:51
The victory for Dunkirk is given as an assured thing. Good or bad, this happens several times, either to guarantee the most beloved film of the year the largest possible number of Oscars or because of social awareness policies. Tan Dun's victory in 2000 came mainly because of the latter. His score is wonderful, but Gladiator had the advantage of having been nominated for many more categories.

But I think that Matt Reeves will be remembered. Or not. The man did a great job with Apes. However he can be ignored this year to be remembered in the future. Nolan was forgotten by The Dark Knight simply because this movie was a blockbuster. Reeves will be no different. but it is sad the lack of recognition.


james (now james callahan)2017-12-20 02:49:49
About Williams, The Post has not yet been released, but I find hard he to win for any of them. He did a great job with TLJ, even not innovating with themes.But this year is not his. Maybe an honorary award in the future. As one that Morricone received years ago.

About Balfe and Wallfisch, they were credited as additional composers along with Andrew K, Steve Mazzaro, Andy Paige and Satnam R. That's the problem of the Academy with HZ.


isildur2017-12-20 10:47:35
Yeah. If Hans actually cared about getting an Oscar, just like other composers he would've put only his name on all his scores. Gladiator was disqualified just because Hans refused to drop Lisa's name event though she didn't compose any of the score. He values and acknowledges the contribution of all those who even remotely helped him on his scores so much and still gets the hatred for having so-called "Ghost Writers".

If it was Hans who scored the recent "Justice League" movie and had Geoff Zanelli, Pinar Topak as an additional composers everybody would've said Hans did very little but as it was someone else nobody mentions it even once. Meh.


James (now calahan)2017-12-20 11:12:01
Lisa wrote all her vocal contributions in Gladiator. Most of them along with Badelt. Hans alone is responsible for 80% of the album perhaps. "Roma is Light", for example, is Gerrard and Badelt.
People tend to relativize when other composers use additional composers. Zanelli and Toprak would appear in the eyes of these people as main composers if Zimmer signed the album.

I think the main problem is that the Hans composition process varies widely and is incomprehensible. Sometimes he makes a suite and lets several teams take care of certain parts of the score (at worlds end, angels and demons), other times he does the same and leaves it in the hands of a single composer (inception, the dark knight rises),others that he co-signs, but that clearly has almost no material truly composed by him (Boss Baby, The Little Prince) and which he works with several people, but still make up more than 50% of the song (Dunkirk, Gladiator). Apart from the fact that he needs conscious orchestrators who need to correct mistakes and improve the presentation of the music so that it can be played by real instruments.


Edmund Meinerts2017-12-20 13:01:26
Macejko, do you have to be a dick about everything?


isildur (Original)2017-12-20 14:48:46
Hey! That isn't me. Get your own name dude.


Macejko2017-12-20 16:03:29
No, but I do enjoy it, Edmund.


Jessica2017-12-20 16:05:22
@ Edmund: why is he a dick? just because he's talking about JWs ol' dick? He's right, so don't be a pussy.


Edmund Meinerts2017-12-21 17:27:37
I AM a pussy. Everyone knows.


Edmund Meinerts2017-12-22 10:18:51
^ not me, obviously.

Yes, he has a point, Williams does get nominated for everything, deserved or not (as does Thomas Newman and increasingly Alexandre Desplat), but there are less...distasteful ways to put things.

Ahmad reply Replies: 19 || 2017-12-11 15:09:10
The score is nominated for a Golden Globe!
Other nominations: Best Picture and Best Director.


badbu2017-12-11 15:21:04
YEES!!! And Best Director :-)


nvictor2017-12-11 20:27:55
hope it wins the golden globe nomination as well.


Kosto82017-12-11 21:05:39
Congratulations to Hans, Ben and Lorne.excellent music


FaresTdkr2017-12-13 20:11:49
If this nominated for golden globe or even Oscar and win the title I'll kill my self.

This score is nothing compared to interstellar or even to POTC 3.


Macejko2017-12-13 20:14:58
If only every annoying film music fan would be so willing to take his own life as this one...


Hybrid Soldier2017-12-13 23:15:02
Now I have ONE true reason to want this score to win !

PEACE ! lol


Bob2017-12-14 00:22:57
wow man, hybrid. this isn't right from you. actually really embarrasing and an absolute no-go from a staff/member of this site to write such a comment. even if it's a joke, this is a shame and sad.


JamesT2017-12-14 05:11:39
Hybrid, yes!


badbu2017-12-14 07:40:17
haha hybrid :D made my day


Ds2017-12-14 08:23:31
An award is an award, Hans' 2nd Oscar is long overdue so I'd be glad to see him win. But it would be weird to see him win for THAT score, after all the greatnesses of the past 20 years. Same thing with Morricone who won his only Oscar for his very light and insignificant work on Hateful Eight. Good for the man, good for the fans, but doesn't really make sense. But have Oscars ever made sense? :-p


Ahmad2017-12-14 08:54:40
I think most of us agree that he should've won for Interstellar but I think Dunkirk deserves it too. The work Hans and the music department did on this movie is just incredible. Must've been a lot of hard work.


Brent2017-12-14 10:13:49
This score... so many mixed emotions. Does it work for the film? Heck yeah. Does it improve the film? So much so. Did Hans do what he set out to do? Totally. Is it an award winning masterpiece? Um, not so fast.

Dunkirk, while super effective within the context of the film (I wouldn’t change a thing about it), I must admit, it doesn’t have nearly the same effect as a stand-alone listen. It’s literally the same textures and notes over and over again, just slightly rising and falling in pitch and tempo. Does that make it “award” worthy? I’m not sure. If based solely on the film, you betcha. If based purely on the music itself, I don’t think so. That’s where Interstellar succeeds so far and away over Dunkirk. As a pure listening experience, Interstellar is interesting, multi-layered and emotional. Whereas Dunkirk is just flat, void of any sort of feeling or “actual” music (again, works IN the film). It’s glorified sound FX (save for the end, which, no doubt, is in large part to Ben).

Hmm... I’ve never had a score tear me apart more than this one. I both love it and hate it. Maybe it did it’s job... lol.

Excuse me while I go listen to No Time for Caution yet again.


Edmund Meinerts2017-12-14 11:00:09
Well...it's a film score. It has no obligation to provide a pleasant or enjoyable listening experience, and for an award like this that doesn't really come into consideration. So if it works in the film, it did its job and that's all that matters.

For me personally, as someone who cares about music first and films second, a score like Dunkirk has little value. A few years ago I probably would have been pretty mad about this score winning awards and acclaim (you should have seen how salty I got when The Social Network beat out HTTYD), but these days... *shrug*. I know what I like, Dunkirk isn't it, and that's fine. It wasn't written for me. Do I wish Hans still wrote the kind of music I like? Of course. But he gets to make his own choices as an artist, just as I get to choose what to listen to as a fan.


Gringo19762017-12-14 12:00:06
hans should win the oscar for best sound effects and not for the best music/score. just as a statement.


Olive2017-12-14 13:34:58
@ds the same for desplat's victory with Budapest Hotel.


Hybrid Soldier2017-12-14 21:03:24
@Bob

Thank you for the enlightment, I will consider opening my wrists for misconduct in the next few days, thank you very much... :o



Ok seriously though, you guys should know that if there's one guy that could not care less about awards... it's Hans... :)


Ben2017-12-16 11:10:12
quote: "This score is nothing compared to interstellar or even to POTC 3."

How do you know or how do you judge? By musical complexity, number of themes, etc.? I think the Dunkirk score perfectly serves the movie - which is what it's supposed to do.

Hans' last and only Oscar-wining score was Lion King, and that one wasn't so remarkable either - on its own. So it would kind of make sense for a score like Dunkirk to get him the award.

After all, when it comes to the academy, I don't think they look at a score in isolation - like we do as Zimmer fans - but rather how well it serves the film. If they love a film and let it win best picture and other categories, it's very likely they'll also give it "best original score".


FaresTdkr2017-12-16 11:28:54
In the last 7 years or so the only Oscar that I think was deserved is Gravity by Steven price. By the way hybrid it was a tough comment for me. Thanks to all people here who think it was.
I totally agree that the music fit the movie perfectly Hans always did great job in this but as a standalone music for me and again (for me) the docking in interstellar do all the job on Dunkirk ( I mean suspense) so for me all Dunkirk soundtrack = docking in interstellar.


James2017-12-16 14:57:37
@Ben: "Hans' last and only Oscar-wining score was Lion King, and that one wasn't so remarkable either."

The original presentation, of 1994, is not very good to confess. They left out the score to emphasize the songs. However the latest launches "expanded score" and "Legacy Collection" (in my opinion) are among the best as Gladiator, the last Samurai,Prince of Egypt, House of Spirits, Rain Man,
Backdraft, regarding Henry,Beyond Ragoon, the Rock, King Arthur, Interstellar, Rush, At worlds End and the Dark Knight (The Collector's version). I like many themes by Hans, but when I come to head the organization factor of the albums most satisfactory these are some of the few that comes to mind.

George reply Replies: 3 || 2017-12-12 19:17:52
From the bonus features, Turning Up the Tension is indeed about Hans' score. Very interesting, definitely watch it if you can!


AndrewP2017-12-13 00:52:59
Strange Balfe is not mentioned ?


RR2017-12-13 02:49:05
hope we get the complete score soon..It's just adding salt to the wound watching this features


badbu2017-12-13 07:36:20
And Hans say nothing about the score :D The Complete Score...i don't think so...the FYC Score is the standard Score...maybe in 2-3 years...fml

badbu reply Replies: 1 || 2017-12-11 09:52:13
is there any making of out there? (making the score)


babdu2017-12-11 15:38:06
okay there is a making of out there :-)
(youtube making of dunkirk)

isildur reply Replies: 0 || 2017-12-06 06:25:57
So, as the rumors of Nolan directing the next Bond movie haven't died down yet, do you think we'll finally get a Hans' Bond score. I really hope we do. It would be so kick ass.

Mephariel reply Replies: 3 || 2017-11-23 18:09:18
Should have gotten one for Interstellar, not this.


nvictor2017-11-30 14:41:51
should have got a nomination for this, not interstellar.


Edmund Meinerts2017-12-03 15:35:18
Should definitely have gotten one for Interstellar, not this.


Ian2017-12-04 08:39:45
I've never found Interstellar compelling as a whole (although it has a couple of very strong cues), but it is indeed drastically superior to Dunkirk.

Anton reply Replies: 0 || 2017-12-02 16:47:22
https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/geniussoundtrack

What a great gift from Maestro Zimmer for a charity

Miguel reply Replies: 0 || 2017-12-02 03:56:05
Here is a great auction on for a signed soundtrack by Zimmer lorne and Ron Howard and it’s personalised

Mephariel reply Replies: 7 || 2017-11-28 18:15:45
2018 Grammy Nominations:

Arrival — Jóhann Jóhannsson, composer
Dunkirk — Hans Zimmer, composer
Game Of Thrones: Season 7 — Ramin Djawadi, composer
Hidden Figures — Benjamin Wallfisch, Pharrell Williams & Hans Zimmer, composers
La La Land — Justin Hurwitz, composer

Zimmer nominated twice but this is a tough field with La La Land and Arrival.


Olive2017-11-28 18:40:19
La La Land, Arrival and Hidden Figures are not recommendations from last year?


Dom2017-11-28 18:40:47
Why are the Grammys so weird? Hidden Figures, La La Land and Arrival are 2016 film and Dunkirk is a 2017 film. It opened 7 months later.


Olive2017-11-28 19:05:42
And still mixes television series with films


Olive2017-11-28 19:06:59
La La Land will win, anyway.


Ian2017-11-29 02:57:01
^ Yeah, although I can appreciate that folks have different tastes, I really struggle to see how one could reasonably argue for anything else winning.


Edmund Meinerts2017-11-29 10:14:44
I'd argue against it because taken on its own, the actual score for La-La Land is nothing special. It's only going to win because it's carried by the songs.


nvictor2017-11-30 14:41:01
nomination acquired. now we just need to win right? ; )

badbu reply Replies: 5 || 2017-11-22 12:26:59
They're starting to send screeners. Finger crossed for the FYC :D


nvictor2017-11-22 21:02:15
this one is my pick for the oscar as well. hope it wins : )


badbu2017-11-23 08:09:53
jaa. but i think he will never get his second oscar...:-(


Edmund Meinerts2017-11-23 12:02:06
If he does I hope it's not for Dunkirk.


Max Potcats2017-11-23 13:06:01
An Oscar (or at lease a nomination) for Dunkirk or Blade Runner ; it would be great from the academy to reward this kind of score. In the last decade, only Gravity had also this kind of """""sound desing""""""" score.


Olive2017-11-23 15:50:00
Maybe a honorary in the future.

nvictor reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-11 02:44:41
i listened to Blade Runner. for that, i want to take a minute to say my deepest admiration for Ben Wallfisch for his collaboration with Hans Zimmer (Ben is truly amazing!).

i came back to this soundtrack after Blade because i needed to understand. and after that, i went back to Batman v Superman, Inferno, and Rush.

now, i understand. i think understand it all. where the music is going, in my own uneducated opinion. and i am very happy to live in this day and age with such great composers.

i wish i can meet you all one day and tell you in person all the things i have found and discovered that make me so happy.

love you all : )


Olive2017-11-11 12:16:31
"now, i understand. i think understand it all. where the music is going"

I do not understand.


nvictor2017-11-18 01:04:13
Olive i love your pseudonym : ) i wrote that comment in a rush, i was overwhelmed by the music!

listen to the latest soundtracks by the remote control people, slow each of them a tad bit, and let me know if you still don't understand : )

YFM reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-17 10:12:39
I'm working on my own version of "The Mole", "Escaping The Mole", or whatever the long warped/over music edited tension cue is named.

nightly demos will be posted every day until I finish it, but it sounds fine now if you "must have" it.

soundcloud.com/yourfavoratemusic/hans-zimmer-dunkirk-escapin g-the-mole-nightly-demo


badbu2017-11-17 13:07:10
the fyc is comming soon ;-)
maybe we get the "film version"


...2017-11-17 13:39:25
I really hope we get the FYC! The score needs to be heard in full

Great work btw!


Mike (OTM)2017-11-17 18:28:02
YFM, your work is awesome. Long time lurk-listener. Looking forward to this,


nvictor2017-11-18 00:57:47
oh noes can't find that page!?

Jacob reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-11 13:42:47
Hey guys,

I found this track on youtube. its the Mole (film Version)
Its quite good. I wish they would release the real version sometime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_995VzM9FYg


bro2017-11-13 04:39:30
pretty good but it is missing several layers/tracks of strings over the main track

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-11 20:10:19
Hybrid, I assume the above credits are incomplete? We're missing three names...

Dudu reply Replies: 2 || 2017-10-29 23:13:13
Hi Hybrid!
Don't know where else to post this but do you know more about Andrew K's involvement in the thor ragnarok score? I also saw that it was mixed by Alan Meyerson; did RCP did a rescue mission there?
And still about Andrew, do you know if there are any plans for a release of his score for sky hunter?
Thanks ;)


Hybrid Soldier2017-10-31 19:36:15
He worked on Thor... I have honestly no more info...

As for Sky Hunter, there are talks about a soundtrack release, if that happens of course you'll know about it here !


Dudu2017-11-02 14:05:21
Okay thanks for the info!

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