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"Shatterdome Attacked", at least we'll get one 7-minute action cue...<br><br>Also. TRACKLIST YOU GET DID WHERE???An agent isn't the problem. Powell is choosing to work less, and only on certain types of movies.Damn the tracks are really short, i was hoping for some long epic music. Hopefully he'll deliver on the epic (I'm sure he will)Giacchino has some points about Powell because of the variety of his work. The man works on several beloved franchises through the pubic and every year makes some score for Pixar. From Powell, so far we've only had Bourne and the animated films from Dreamworks and Blue Sky. That's the only problem with him. The lack of a good agent to get projects beyond the territory conquered by him in the mid-00's.where got you did tracklist have been?
Where did you get the tracklist ???????Where you get the tracklist?<br><br>;)Ian<br>I would rather choose Giacchino over Powell any day.<br>Don't get me wrong, Powell is great but always found Giacchino's Scores much more memorable.<br>The only score made by Powell that i keep listening is Bourne's Supremacy.Ian<br>I would rather choose Giacchino over Powell any day.<br>Don't get me wrong, Powell is great but always found Giacchino's Scores much more memorable.<br>The only score made by Powell that i keep listening is Bourne's Supremacy.And @Ian, re: talent of assistants, to add to your point... Kick It was, according to Hybrid, Hans’ theme turned into a suite by Balfe...so even there, with his interesting stuff, the nucleus of it is still Zimmer. If you’re talking about Training from Begins for Djawadi, ditto there. Hans said that was the first theme he (Hans) wrote for the movie. So in both cases, these guys kinda sound best when expanding on Hans’ ideas.
His KPM and Extreme library tracks are excellentOh I know! I'd say I've heard maybe 20 scores or so by him, so not totally useless, but he's definitely someone I still need to explore more.It would be good to see Kawczynski doing more.Chappie was excellentIan - I prefer Rogue One over Jurassic World. The movie and the score.<br><br>Edmund - You have missing a lot of great stuff by Goldsmith! :DProbably the only reason Goldsmith isn't in my top 3 is I haven't heard enough of his music. :p
Wallfisch is a good composer indeed, but BR2049 (and Dunkirk) were absolutely the wrong place for him. He's not a synth guy. He was originally a protege of Dario Marianelli, for heaven's sake - he's got a far more classical/orchestral sensibility. A score like Cure for Wellness is a much better fit for him. I'm not sure why Hans thought it was best to bring him of all people in on BR2049 when the more electronically-inclined Mazzaro/Kawczynski duo would have made more sense for a Blade Runner score (I say this based mostly on Chappie).Ian - no one is trying to compare Balfe to Zimmer !Firstly there is a 20 year age gap!!!Zimmer will always be the best in my eyes but doesn’t harm saying someone else can be good <br><br>Still confused why this conversation is still troubling some.I remember saying last year that I thought Lego Batman was one of the best animation scores that year and it caused some to have heart attacks.there are a hand full of people that don’t think he is either good or should be working .... we get !!!! <br><br><br><br>Edmund - given the rationality you've displayed in your comments, I'm disappointed Goldsmith isn't in your top three. ;)<br><br>In all seriousness, I'd put money on Powell fucking nailing the integration of Williams's theme. While Giacchino did a solid job on Jurassic World and Rogue One (I tend to think my assessment of the latter is a bit more positive than most), frankly I just think Powell is a far better composer - a genuine A-level guy, whereas Giacchino is moreso very competent without that spark of pure talent seen in Williams, Goldsmith, Elfman, Zimmer etcI think it's worth noting that Zimmer's popularity at this point is largely under his direct control - meaning that if he were to decide to stop touring, go back to writing full-time, and return to his 'epic' thematic style, I think we'd see a surge in his popularity of the sort we saw from Batman Begins through til Interstellar. However, I just don't think he's interested, which is totally his right.<br><br>I certainly agree that the RCP proteges at this point are, frankly, shit compared to how they used to be. I mean, even a guy like Steve Mazzaro (who I genuinely like and who wrote some of the coolest cues in Chappie, and basically co-wrote BvS - a score I actually like) just utterly pales in comparison to the Powell era.<br><br>Actually, I have to take that back a bit; Wallfisch is a very, very talented guy, honestly so much better than someone like Junkie that I weirdly tend to forget he's under the RCP roof now.@HunterTech<br><br>"I only get annoyed when people decide he's suddenly the most amazing thing ever, which he really isn't. Even on his most competent scores, it's unlikely many would recognize him as one of the greats. Respect him, sure, but not think he's out of this world."<br><br>Exactly. Hans, for all the criticism he gets (much of it for good reason), has written some of the best film music of all time (seriously, having listened to huge amounts of Williams and Goldsmith, I still find Science & Religion my favorite cue ever). On the other hand, Lorne has written innumerable adequate-to-good scores, but none that I can recall are iconic. I'd say the closest he's come is in the form of his contributions to some of Zimmer's work (personally, I think his Kick It theme is the most interesting of those in Inception), but even then he hasn't done anything as memorable as Djawadi's theme from Batman Begins.
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Dunkirk
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Length: 59'46
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  1. The Mole (5:35)
    Hans Zimmer (Sir Edward Elgar)
  2. We Need Our Army Back (6:28)
    Hans Zimmer
  3. Shivering Soldier (2:52)
    Hans Zimmer
  4. Supermarine (8:03)
    Hans Zimmer
  5. The Tide (3:48)
    Hans Zimmer (Sir Edward Elgar)
  6. Regimental Brothers (5:04)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe (Sir Edward Elgar)
  7. Impulse (2:36)
    Hans Zimmer
  8. Home (6:02)
    Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch (Sir Edward Elgar)
  9. The Oil (6:10)
    Hans Zimmer
  10. Variation 15 (Dunkirk) (5:51)
    Benjamin Wallfisch, Hans Zimmer (Sir Edward Elgar)
  11. End Titles (Dunkirk) (7:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Benjamin Wallfisch (Sir Edward Elgar)
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Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 1 || 2017-07-21 16:27:45
I like that Lorne is directly credited on Regimental Brothers and End Titles. Ditto Wallfisch with Home, Variation 15, and End Titles. That's three credits from the start!


Mike (OTM)2017-07-21 16:33:20
*four. Yes, I can do math. :P

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 10 || 2017-07-20 21:21:00
This is 100% a score you need to hear in film before listening to on album. If I had to make any comparisons, this is probably most like Deepwater Horizon or Gravity in that it takes a primarily tense sound design approach as opposed to thematic scoring. I honestly can't think of another Zimmer score that's less melodic than this.

Not that it's bad of course, music definitely has to serve the film first and foremost.


Hybrid Soldier2017-07-20 23:20:55
Actually, to talk about something Hans & Lorne worked on, I would compare this score more to Captain Phillips...


James2017-07-20 23:24:02
They co-composed the score together as in Philips like Hans and Jackman?


James2017-07-21 00:02:38
Oops!
Lol
I undestand now!
Only now!
You refers to mode of the score and no to the collaborative way.
SORRY!


Kriknud2017-07-21 00:26:10
Hybrid YOU'RE RIGHT! As soon as I heard that bassy, almost rusty, metallic sound in the lower registers, I was like "This is really similar to Captain Phillips" (which is fine with me because I enjoyed that particular soundtrack). It also means Filmtracks.com is going to roast this soundtrack SO HARD. As for the rest of the score, I was unimpressed for the first half or so, but as soon as I started to get a feel for what it was going to be like, I started to enjoy it more. I will probably have to listen to it a few more times before I start to fall in love with it.


mpolonest123 2017-07-21 02:36:22
@Hybrid It's been a while since I took a listen to Captain Phillips (I remember being extremely unimpressed with that one) and I always forget HZ/LB contributed to that mess. I'll definitely relisten though...

And yes, Filmtracks is going to shit on this one for sure. I normally love that reviewers style of writing (even if I usually disagree) but after TASM2 you can tell he has an extreme bias against Zimmer and his colleagues.


Halo2017-07-21 07:40:18
Some Cues are missing on the "official" Score right?


Hari Haran2017-07-21 10:00:31
mpolonest123, he's actually admitted to using Zimmer to draw numbers to his site a few months back, so there goes his credibility. When it comes to Zimmer, no matter how much he tries to lie and cower otherwise, he is without a doubt severely biased against him and has resorted multiple times to bashing him more than actually analysing his music. A reviewer who has lost his touch of professionalism long ago, I'm afraid.


...2017-07-21 12:42:14
Where does the filmtracks guy admit that?


mpolonest123 2017-07-21 13:05:49
@Hari

Oh really? For any reviewer out there, if you can't go in without some bias you shouldn't review it. It's a shame too, he is one of the few score reviewers who really breaks down and analyzes the music. Oh well....


James2017-07-21 14:08:10
@Hari "I am afraid?"

There is no need to fear. Lol.
They have been doing this since ... always
Filmtracks since 2003.
The problem is that HZ has no formal musical training and this will always put him on a step down when compared to those who have or who in one way or another try to follow in a more orchestral way."At least for people who claim to be more cultured"

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@Hari No! He never assumed that. The other day, I think in BvS or Boss Baby review, he commented that people accuse him of always bashing HZ works in exchange for views. But he denies, saying he does this to make it clear that not all people are satisfied with the current situation of the scores produced these days. And that HZ has yes, his share of guilt about it.

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I do not like hatred in what he writes. First because it influences other reviewers to do the same and second because it is not 100% fair.

For PoTC 5, for example, he gave 3 stars. While the other scores of the franchise were always migrating between 1 and 2 stars.
If everyone had 3 stars, with the exception of the 4 effort, I'd be okay with that.And his justification for this is that Geoff is ridding the music of the damage franchise brought by Hans. WTF?

But at the end of the day I'm okay with that too.
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I make it clear that I do not have so much trouble with the way he review the scores. No problem. The problem is the use of hate words whenever it comes with a score review by Hans.

He called Captain Philips of a piece of shit. Even if I agree with him that it is bad, is sad that you read this. But okay.

Naji reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-21 13:21:51
its just Tick Took effect, Great for the Movie but so Disappointed As an Album.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 13 || 2017-07-20 15:42:35
Every single one giving an opinion on the score without having seen the film is irrelevant.

Nolan has done it again, it's good to see some "cinema" after sinking ships (no pun) like Transformers 5...


Petermb2017-07-20 15:50:16
Well I have seen the film and the score is amazing . I want to see it again . Lorne Balfes name at the end says score producer. What does that mean ?


Everan2017-07-20 15:53:23
I thought the TF5 bashing was on the TF5 thread.


Ahmad2017-07-20 16:30:19
I totally agree. It's too eqrly for me to give my opinion on the score, but I find the album release to be quite disappointing, specifically for people who've seen the prologue and build expectations based on it.


Ahmad2017-07-20 16:45:35
*early


Kusi2017-07-20 16:58:05
*jokemode=on* the motto from this score: DUI DUI du du DUI DUI du du *jokemode=off* :D


Edmund Meinerts2017-07-20 23:24:25
Irrelevant? I don't know. I prefer to judge film music apart from the movie, for my own private purposes...it's just as valid a way of looking at things IMO. And it doesn't sound like I will like Dunkirk very much. :/


James2017-07-20 23:49:17
Well .. I promised not to listen until tomorrow, but I did anyway. :-)

The score is not inaudible as many "haters" want to appear to be. It remembers a lot to Thin Red Line, only a bit more monotonous.

As Nolan said in an interview, he required Hans to enter "David Julyan" mode on his soudtracks for "The Prestige" and "Memento" for this work.

It's a score that runs the same path as the ones written for "The Arrival," "The Girl of the Train," "The Revenant," but a little less inspired. It is more a work that adds the wave of minimalism in the current scores.

It still recalls Lorne's work for soundtracks like Saints & Strangers, Churchill and The Last Man on The Moon (the strings!).

It lacks a little of the energy employed in other Hans' works but is a good score.


Ahmad2017-07-21 12:16:28
After a couple of listens, *not judging the score but judging the album release itself* it's not bad it's just incomplete and that's coming from some who has only seen the prologue and clips from the movie. I wish there would be an isolated score option or a complete musical experience release similar to La La Land (even though that was a musical but it'd still work).

Hybrid, I know I'm fighting a war by myself here but is there any chance for the prologue music to be released as a bonus track?


Guitwo2017-07-21 12:21:49
It is just mind boggling tbh... it's probably what nolan tried to pursue in his last three movies but couldn't totally achieve.
An entire movie, without breathing room or time out and a supreme mastercraft for building cmplexe narratives, mind f***ing characters' arc and he challenges "the truth" and "the fact" and the ambiguity of the truth/fact in the next scene constantly. this is insane... this is just insane... and it's gonna get a lot of hate because of it.
it is very modern interpretation of our H24 media oriented word and the different pov you can have, and the angle you choose to take... damn... damn...damn.
It ain't your classical war movie, it's really truly an immersive experience of war for 1h37 minutes which is truly daring and original in cinema. I haven't seen a war movie like that so far


Guitwo2017-07-21 12:24:18
Ahmad: Wait until you watch the movie bro... i did not risk myself watching anything but the prologue for one time only... I did not listen to supermarine beforehand... you have to discover this score in the movie.
it's probably the sole purpose of this score because it's just so important into context.


Ahmad2017-07-21 12:41:24
I totally get what you're saying @Guitwo, that's why I'm not judging the score itself, I'm just bummed at how the album seems like an after thought. The fact that I'll be walking out of the movie wanting to listen to my favorite cues but I won't be able to bothers me a lot. Anyway, I'm seeing it on Thursday.


Guitwo2017-07-21 13:03:16
@ahmad when u'll watch the movie u'll see that it does not need any cues or melodies or main theme. and hopefully u'll understand
basically, the main character of the movie is an idea hence the music.


Ahmad2017-07-21 13:14:44
You misunderstood me, everything I've heard about the score excited me and I still am very excited to see the movie and to hear the score. I was one of the people who defended Hans' approach early on when "Supermarine" was released. I like what i've heard from the score and I don't want a melody or a main theme. (even though it seems like Supermarine can count as a main theme from what I've heard about the score)

My issue is with the 11 track 59 minute album. Let's take "The Mole" for example, I've been told that at the 2:00 mark there was a section that's in the movie but was cut out of the track so "The Mole" would've been much longer than 5 minutes. That section is one of my favorite things about the score (it was featured in the prologue). The first clip with Mark Rylance featured music that is similar to the end of "The Mole" but it's not the same cue and it doesn't appear elsewhere on the album.
I'm a big, big fan of Hans and Nolan but the fact that they keep screwing up their soundtrack official releases is bothersome to me.

Dunkirk reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-21 12:04:31
Finally end titles included for this movies

Laurens reply Replies: 1 || 2017-07-21 09:33:54
Very strange that the iTunes release does not contain track 11 (End Titles). I haven't checked for other countries, but at least that's the case in the Netherlands.


Laurens2017-07-21 09:40:17
Hmm never mind they just updated it it seems...

Catastrophic Jones reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-21 02:14:21
Very interested with this one. Normally I stray away from the war movies from recent years but the fact that Nolan considered this a story worthy enough to make into a film makes it a must see in my book. Chris has that style of elegance and intelligence in his films, while also being capable of delivering a full on action powerhouse that easily rivals Michael Bay. (Seriously, how is that guy still allowed to make 'films'?) Hans' score is no exception. I can understand why it may cause some people to turn away but personally, for me if something works for the film it is intended for, the composer has succeeded in his job. Not every score has to be an engaging hundred piece orchestra and an ambient-electronic film score is nothing new, it's an approach that has been around for decades! The way of cinema isn't being destroyed by it. It's simply another way to tell a story. I personally feel this music will best suit the film based on what I've heard so far and even as a stand alone listening experience I love it. That tense feeling that dread and doom is near, that I am about to go to war against someone or something. Sounds like he took the feel of Interstellar if it wasn't a space film, the ambiance of Inception and effects from Inferno. Supermarine is easily my favorite, but I do like Variation 15 and End Titles a lot as well. Just to give you an idea, I once use to exclusively listen to only orchestral music. Me several years ago would've probably hated this kind of score but instead of ignoring it and turning away I began to open myself to other styles. I stopped holding music to a certain set of expectations. Now I've discovered some very incredible and unique stuff out there, and not just in terms of music. Give it a chance, if the first listen doesn't grab you try a few more. Only then can you decided with a definitive stance. Worst case scenario, there's always the next Hans Zimmer score to enjoy.

Juliano reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-21 01:17:34
The Variation 15 is so amazing deep. WOW

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-20 23:16:15
Truly unique soundtrack

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 6 || 2017-07-20 03:22:36
So here's what I'm expecting:

—Lorne Balfe's name will be on most cues, and he'll have at least a couple cues without Hans' name at all
—the "beautiful" parts of the score will be the Elgar adaptations by Wallfisch
—Hans' music will work wonders as an accompaniment to the film, but be an underwhelming solo listen
—the cues in the film will be substantially recut compared to what the album gives us
—in the future, it will be difficult to tell what's by Zimmer here and what's by the other guys

Thoughts?


Waymann2017-07-20 08:44:54
Well you are right about the second, fourth thing you are saying.


AndrewM2017-07-20 08:58:30
Mike - good points . Definatly had a lot of Balfes touches on the score . Bits of 13 Hours . The Elgar variations aren't that original . The Original Elgar is better . BUt the score is great to the film .


badbu2017-07-20 09:01:52
Lorne is a King too :-)


James2017-07-20 22:17:21
- I find it difficult. Lorne joined the project in the last two months of producing the film.
- I agree. And the reviews that came out even before the official debut confirm that.
- I hope it is so.
- Those who watched the movie have already confirmed that.
- Meh. But I do not doubt it.

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I waiting for tomorrow to listen.


James2017-07-20 22:35:43
@AndrewM You're not so wrong. I always imagined this score as something reminiscent of Black Hawnk Dawn, in the same way as 13 Hours is.


James2017-07-20 22:37:28
*Black Hawk Down*


badbu reply Replies: 4 || 2017-07-20 18:24:45
Damn it...this part is missing...
twitter. com/anto volk/status/884874191878619138


Anon2017-07-20 20:04:00
It's in THE MOLE. The clip is just pitched up 4% as it was shown in the UK.


badbu2017-07-20 20:06:05
oh...you're right! thank you :)


badbu2017-07-20 20:23:38
BUT it is a little bit different. In the Clip are some deep Piano parts :P Maybe it's a "film version".


Ahmad2017-07-20 21:10:52
It's NOT the same! Similar but not the same and it's not just in a different pitch, in the clip it builds and builds and it gets faster and faster. It seems like a lot of stuff were cut out.

Jordan reply Replies: 21 || 2017-07-20 13:21:13
Informations taken from the CD Album :

1. The Mole (05:29) - Hans Zimmer (includes a theme by Sir Edward Elgar)
2. We Need Our Army Back (06:04) - Hans Zimmer
3. Shivering Soldier (02:51) - Hans Zimmer
4. Supermarine (07:59) - Hans Zimmer
5. The Tide (03:49) - Hans Zimmer (includes a theme by Sir Edward Elgar)
6. Regimental Brothers (05:02) - Hans Zimmer & Lorne Balfe (includes a theme by Sir Edward Elgar)
7. Impulse (02:34) - Hans Zimmer
8. Home (06:00) - Hans Zimmer & Benjamin Wallfisch (includes a theme by Sir Edward Elgar)
9. The Oil (06:10) - Hans Zimmer
10. Variation 15 (Dunkirk) (05:52) - Benjamin Wallfisch (based on a theme by Sir Edward Elgar)
11. End Titles (07:13) - Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe & Benjamin Wallfisch (includes a theme by Sir Edward Elgar)


SmartGuy2017-07-20 13:38:32
It just leaked. Does anybody know where to listen to it?


Jordan2017-07-20 13:41:13
I listened to part of the CD, it seems particular and some sound design.

I'll listeting to the full album tonight to have a real opinion on the score.


Waymann2017-07-20 13:53:14
Wow, Elgar's theme is all over the place. Don't recall hearing it so much while watching the film. Thought it was only going to be in track 8 and 10.


George2017-07-20 14:07:20
Just finished listening to the whole thing. Much more entertaining than I expected, to be honest.


badbu2017-07-20 14:14:43
WOW! The Score is amazing!!!!!!!


Ahmad 2017-07-20 14:25:04
Can anyone confirm if "The Mole" is the music from the prologue? (If you've seen it of course). I only want to listen to that since I've heard it already.


Ahmad2017-07-20 14:50:04
Haven't listened to it in full. Prologue music is not on the album. I'm very disappointed. It was one hell of a track.


Edgar2017-07-20 14:51:03
Just finished aswell, and i simply can't understand what is so amazing or entertaining at all?!

Track 01 - 03 are unbelievable boring sound design/effects, like an 13 minute intro to the ugly track 04 (supermarine). track 05 - 08 are boring and sound-effects aswell. track 08 has at minute 4 an interesting part, where edward elgars theme pops out, but that's it. curious to hear and see that scene in the movie. track 09 (the oil) is super-ugly, almost more then "supermarine" - wow! the highlight of the score is then track 10 "variation 15", which isn't even a zimmer cue and also a huge inspirated and variated cue from edward elgar. the last track sums everything up, there is a mix of electro sound effects with edward elgars music and again some supermarine and the oil parts.

i can't describe how much dissappointed i am, this is super-super-ugly. i remember when hans made the joker theme how punkish and ugly he stated that cue, but this one here is simply terrific ugly - the whole score! i don't know, this has nothing to do with film music anymore. it sounds for me like a frustrated zimmer who wants to prove, that he can bring up anything out, and people will kiss his a** and say how amaziiiiing this is. i'm sorry for my harsh words, i'm just so dissappointed here. i've considered myself as a zimmer-addictive, but here with this score, i had to choke up, it was that bad. i was so happy it ended. oh lord, where's my hans, where's my zimmer...


Waymann2017-07-20 15:04:11
The prologue is also not a scene from the actual film.


babdu2017-07-20 15:08:29
@Edgar Yes, it is not the best score from Hans but ugly? What do you think about the interstellar score? this was a bad score (for me)...i like this score very much!


Medigo2017-07-20 15:13:14
only listened to the first track
saying that its just soundeffects is doing the music disservice


badbu2017-07-20 15:18:23
But hey, Steven Price gets an oscar for his "sound" Score Gravity :D


Waymann2017-07-20 15:21:37
Ugh I hated that gravity score, just awful and I even like those kind of scores. That oscar win was out of place.


badbu2017-07-20 15:24:00
@Waymann YES! 100% right!!! At the Oscar Night i was like this -> oO WTF?!?!? :D


Medigo2017-07-20 15:27:41
Music can come in many forms
Gravity is a soundtrack, whether you like it or not.
Admittedly this score is not grabbing me very much. its very moody and plodding. (probably fits the film)
but to dismiss it because of how it sounds is rubbish


Kusi2017-07-20 16:25:06
As for Gravity: My first reaction about the film music Oscar was: WTF? BUT never judge on a score before you watched the movie. This is a perfect example for that. After I watched the movie I immediatly bought the score and it's still one of my favourites.


Ahmad2017-07-20 16:44:38
Gravity... one of the most creative scores. I haven't listened to the whole score on its own, but whenever I watch sequences from the movie, the score impresses me more than it did before.
I did listen to "The Mole" and did remind me of Gravity.


Mike (OTM)2017-07-20 17:01:48
Hmmm, so this is a much shorter album release than Interstellar. I hope we don't have another No Time for Caution situation!


Mike (OTM)2017-07-20 17:20:54
The differing track times here and above tell me the CD is probably crossfaded, while the digital version has the tracks extended to remove the crossfades.


ss2017-07-20 17:26:50
Trailer Music better than soundtracks lol


Waymann2017-07-20 17:32:08
First watch the film then listen to this score. Thank me later. No way you will like this score before you see the film.

Everan reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-20 16:39:28
This is like the son of Hans Zimmer and David Julyan. Home, around the 4:00 minute mark reminds a lot of The Descent, but with a tiny bit of Zimmer's Interstellar touch.

It's definetely not what I expected, but I'm liking. And pretty sure it works amazingly with the film, which is really the main purposed of the score.

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 1 || 2017-07-20 15:47:53
Since I cannot access the vote on this site, I have to say that the Dunkirk soundtrack is as epic as Inception (another film by Chris Nolan). Despite the 11 tracks, that doesn't stop me from enjoying Hans' musical prowess. Overall, I have to give it a 4.5 out of 5 stars.


badbu2017-07-20 16:04:25
Yep. For me it is 4.5 too!

ss reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-20 15:35:55
I dont like this tracks again dissapointment Hans.

Waymann reply Replies: 5 || 2017-07-20 11:10:28
I found on a reliable online store for books, films and music the track lengths. But the one for Supermarine is just a few seconds shorter than the runtime for the digital single. But of course the file on the cd different. This seems official to me.
It's is 53:53 min. long.

1. The Mole (05:29)
2. We Need Our Army Back (06:04)
3. Shivering Soldier (02:51)
4. Supermarine (07:59)
5. The Tide (03:49)
6. Regimental Brothers (05:02)
7. Impulse (02:34)
8. Home (06:00)
9. The Oil (06:10)
10. Variation 15 (Dunkirk) (05:52)
11. End Titles (07:13)


Waymann2017-07-20 11:16:06
I'm wrong it's 59 min. in total.


badbu2017-07-20 11:27:41
Cool! Thanks :-)


Ahmad2017-07-20 11:51:03
I've been waiting for the runtime, thanks. I expected it to be longer. Oh well. We were spoiled with Interstellar, now he's back with the Inception-like release. I don't expect a digital deluxe either.
It's interesting that Supermarine is the longest track on the album.


Waymann2017-07-20 11:53:39
Supermarine was cut into pieces and put all over the film. But I'm sure in the movie it sounded different.


babdu2017-07-20 11:57:30
there are some cues missing! 100% :D Hans like :D

Jack reply Replies: 5 || 2017-07-19 17:42:48
Curious, does anyone know if the track from the 1st trailer appears in the film at all? I heard that was composed by Zimmer but wasn't sure if it was only used as trailer music?


Ahmad 2017-07-19 18:06:04
Only the first one minute teaser/announcement was Zimmer.


Ahmad 2017-07-19 18:06:09
Only the first one minute teaser/announcement was Zimmer.


Ahmad 2017-07-19 18:06:51
Only the first one minute teaser/announcement was Zimmer.


Ahmad2017-07-19 18:07:45
Oops! Sorry, internet connection malfunction.


Waymann2017-07-20 09:52:05
That music is not in the film. The reverse piano sounds you are talking about right ?

Antovolk reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-20 00:52:24
Seen the film twice. I'm now even more curious how the album will handle it. I listened to Supermarine a fair number of times after last week, so I had it fairly fresh in mind...but the sound editors don't present anything as you hear on the album. Take Supermarine - that 8 minute track is sped up, slowed down, chopped and pasted all throughout the entire runtime. Listening to it on its own is probably like - an an analogy - watching The Air sections of the film as one without intercutting to The Mole and The Sea. I'd imagine the rest of the score is similar in this way in terms of how the album will present it.
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SmartGuy reply Replies: 12 || 2017-07-19 12:21:30
Well, just watched it. The movie as itself with Hans' music background is great. But it's really more about the sound effects and tick-tock thing, not so much about melody; which btw fits the movie perfectly, but as a standalone... Hmm, not so sure. When it comes to melody, there is pretty much just two scenes. Don't expect too much more then what you heared in Supermarine.


AndresM2017-07-19 14:46:03
Saw the film today and it was amazing . Zimmer's score is truly amazing. Lorne Balfe is credited as Score Producer . They did an amazing job


badbu2017-07-19 15:04:53
can't wait!!! :-)


PBudi2017-07-19 15:17:37
What does a score producer do ?


badbu2017-07-19 15:28:18
Lorne is doing the additional music.

A "additional" composer is brought on board to compose a cue (or cues) that is/are in a completely different style from the rest of the film.


PBudi2017-07-19 15:31:59
Additional music is a wrong credit . In the film it says Score produced by. He is not listed as an additional composer


badbu2017-07-19 15:38:08
mhh okay..maybe he is doing the mastering etc?


Maximouss862017-07-19 15:53:49
i just saw Dunkirk too, and i m waiting for the album because :
1- the music is great
2- there will be suites in it
(for instence Supermarine wasn't in the movie score, well, you know : we hear a bit of the begining and of the end of the music, but not the full music.


Mike (OTM)2017-07-19 16:58:14
In the past when Lorne has been a score producer, it's meant that he's worked with Hans to formulate the sound and instrumentation palette of the score (in general, "how" should the score sound?) and has contributed one or two themes in addition to the ones Hans had done.


Hybrid Soldier2017-07-19 18:58:13
Score producer, additional music, co-composer... Whatever, HZ & LB work together, that's all you need to know, call this what you want...

In the case of Dunkirk, as I explained Lorne did some "handholding" in the last month of scoring while was starting to get really busy with the tour, because things kept changing until the very end.


Medigo2017-07-19 19:52:11
ugh suites
I guess nobody cares for those who just want to have music directly from the film


Max Potcats2017-07-19 22:25:11
Well, Tick-Tock, Murph, Day One from Interstellar, or Earth and Arcade in Man of Steel, or even TIME from inception are suites, so I think it can't hurt to have some on an album, waiting for the complete score in the worst case.


Waymann2017-07-19 23:33:37
I'll admit that I'm one of the first people to whine about the fact that it's not the complete score they release for official albums. But in case of Dunkirk I don't mind actually how the official release is going to turn out,

I just saw this masterpiece and honestly I wouldn't call Zimmers work for this film a score in the first place. A lot of it is sound design, but oh boy this was so very well done. It's loud indeed but never too much and sometimes the music was radical considering this is an WOII film. I'm looking forward to hear how they will make an official soundtrack release of this film. Sure all those tracks will be suites on the album because of the non linear storytelling. I don't know if a recording sessions soundtrack would be nice to listen to, so suites for this album will do the score justice I think. Also the Nimrod piece is outstanding, a lot was changed and sounds very Zimmerisch. Although Wallfish was behind this.

Mephariel reply Replies: 7 || 2017-07-18 03:34:45
This review caught my eye:

"It’s aided greatly by a Hans Zimmer score that knows when to pound us with percussion and when to let the strings go soaring. (There’s a moment toward the end of the film that’s so gloriously old-fashioned and sweeping that it calls to mind the propaganda-film-within-a-film in “Their Finest,” another great tale that touches on the Dunkirk rescue.)"

First time I see "old-fashioned" used to describe Dunkirk's score.


theGordo2017-07-18 05:09:30
I would have to say that's because the "moment towards the end" uses the track "variation 15" which is pretty old-fashioned.


EoinC2017-07-18 15:56:07
My guess is that it's going to reference Elgar's "Enigma", which has 14 variations.


Ahmad2017-07-18 16:34:31
No guesses needed :) It is confirmed that Variation 15 (Dunkirk) is based on Nimrod by Edward Elgar which plays towards the end of the movie.


Waymann2017-07-18 16:49:28
Can't find it again, but yesterday I saw a tv spot which I'm sure of it featured this track. It sounded a bit different and heavier. But definitely had the same melody as Nimrod. Although i'm a bit disappointed that Nolan chose this music for the film, it's a bit cliché isn't it ? But i'll admit for me it has a very British feel to it, so again it will work out great in the film.


Ahmad2017-07-18 17:19:55
Well, if it makes you feel better about it, they didn't just pin drop the music. They changed it quite a bit so it almost becomes unrecognizable. Listen to Nolan's interview on ClassicFM if you can. He talked about it and about the score.


Ds2017-07-18 17:21:01
On watertower's website, if you click on the iTunes logo, a menu opens with 3 choices: 'Standard', 'Deluxe' or 'Streaming'.

But I think it appears like this by default on watertower's website, Wonder Woman also has a 'Deluxe' button.


isildur2017-07-19 08:04:35
Yes. As Nolan's interview on ClassicFM is really worth listening to get an insight into how and why the score is the way it is.

badbu reply Replies: 2 || 2017-07-18 21:27:50
okay...now i can't wait for the score!!!

THE GOOD:

Casting was perfect, the lesser known actors held their own weight against some of the veterans.

The cinematography was fantastic, you really felt completely immersed in the movie.

Hans Zimmer's score was oscar-worthy.

The movie will leave you on the edge of your seat throughout.

THE BAD:

The storyline is not always linear which was confusing.

Dialogue was sometimes hard to hear (but not necessary)


George2017-07-19 01:28:49
In what way was the score Oscar worthy? I believe you, I'm just dying to find some concrete details of what this score sounds like. Ostinato strings? Booming percussion? Is there a ton of synth? I guess I could be patient for Thursday night lol


badbu2017-07-19 07:38:52
no full orchestra, yes. but orchestral instruments experimenting with the ticking/rising motif.

the thing is - there's no real theme/melody until the end credits roll. again - in context it's fantastic, out of context though, you be the judge

Impatient reply Replies: 5 || 2017-07-16 17:00:20
It's only three days until the movie premiere, and the score has not leaked yet, and probably won't. We don't even have the track times yet. What happened? In the earlier days the score would typically leak a week before its release.


SmartGuy2017-07-16 18:04:41
Yeah, my words. I think it will eventually leak maybe like one day before....


Ahmad2017-07-16 18:32:07
Looks like they're doing a good job at keeping the score on lock. No info on run time and it's not available to pre-order on digital platforms. I'm really surprised that they even released a track before July 21!


Waymann2017-07-16 23:18:46
They just want the audience to go in without knowing too much about the film. Also the trailers didn't show that much (luckily we didn't get 5 trailers like most Hollywood garbage gets these days.) they also used the same footage for the tv spots. They seems very keen on what footage gets out. I'm seeing the film on wednesday. Can't wait for some new Nolan + Zimmer.


James2017-07-17 23:55:35
An IGN'S review:

"Moments of eerie silence are violently broken by thunderous walls of sound – piercing gunfire and screeching Spitfires. The sound design is incredible, and I spent entire scenes forcibly pressed into my comfy IMAX seat. This is only heightened by Han Zimmer’s colossal score, which plays a crucial role in making Dunkirk feel so intense and suspenseful. (I even laughed a couple of times, unintentionally, because I didn’t quite know how else to cope with the mounting tension.)

But amidst the sound and fury, Dunkirk possesses a meditative quietness. There can’t be more than a handful of pages of dialogue scattered within its 106-minute runtime. It’s a bold decision, creating a starkness at the level of plot and character, but it never bothered me in the slightest such is the quality of filmmaking and acting on show."


SmartGuy2017-07-18 19:03:24
It's really getting weird. I'm going to see the movie in not even 15 hours and I still did not listened to the soundtrack, which is still secretely hidden in secluded place of WaterTower's chamber of music.

Waymann reply Replies: 5 || 2017-07-18 09:09:48
Some reviewer stated that the whole movie is accompanied with score, from beginning to end. Don't know if this is true but then there is no way the whole score is going to be cramped into 10 tracks for it's official release. Still wondering if we will get a Digital Deluxe version.


Iamtommie2017-07-18 09:56:24
Maybe the tracks are very long? He did it with Crimson Tide & Angels & Demons.
Hope this is true!


Waymann2017-07-18 10:10:13
Nah don't think 100 minutes of score fit on a physical CD... Anyway going to see the film tomorrow, really excited. Most people praise Zimmer his work for this film but don't know for sure if it will work as a stand alone listening experience. Which is good in a way because sometimes film score fans seem to forget that scores are made to work in a movie in the first place and not just to please you for is stand alone listening experience like other music genres.


badbu2017-07-18 11:22:22
@Waymann 100% right!!!


MrZimmerFan2017-07-18 12:59:03
The people says is most sound design, but FITS the movie perfectly and captures the restless pacing


Ahmad2017-07-18 16:38:30
There's big chance there won't be a digital deluxe. This seems like a release similar to Inception track number wise. The vinyl version which is a double LP release has the same exact playlist, so it might be an indication that the score is not short but we might not all of the music.

Ahmad reply Replies: 1 || 2017-07-17 11:18:52
So... It is confirmed (by Nolan himself) that track 10. Variation 15 (Dunkirk) is indeed based on Edward Elgar's Nimrod and orchestrated by Benjamin Wallfisch. It's not a suite, it's in the movie. To anyone expecting a melodic theme, that's as melodic as it will get, the rest of the score will be more experimental.


James2017-07-17 14:51:39
I already knew it. BRAAAAAMMM!

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-16 23:46:42
Hybrid,

Did Zimmer stop releasing the Z+ apps? I really loved the Inception app and liked the concept behind the TDKR one. Would love to see something interactive like that as opposed to trying to promote an album and headphones no one uses.

Trash XL reply Replies: 9 || 2017-07-14 23:05:04
Unpopular opinion: Steve Mazzaro & Andrew Kawczynski are the worst things happened to Hans Zimmer


Steve2017-07-14 23:10:51
anyone who enjoyed The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Chappie, or The Bible, Man of Steel, or The Lone Ranger scores would disagree ;)


Mephariel2017-07-14 23:44:11
I agree. I usually dislike any influence from Mazzaro & Kawczynski. I did like The Lone Ronger, The Boss Baby, Man of Steel, and The Amazing Spider-Man 2. But I felt like I like the parts that sounds the least like Mazzaro and Kawczynski.



Petrews2017-07-14 23:49:10
Agree - Hans has worked with so many talented people but not them. Great seeing Balfe back with the maestro


James2017-07-15 01:06:58
The Bible and Chappie were Zimmer's weak efforts. BvS is a cool "epic" score but very disappointing when we look back and see all the work he developed in TDK trilogy and even the results obtained by other composers in the same genres now and in the past. The fact is that HZ needs to abandon this "new style" that he is trying to develop or even follow. Since other composers have recently worked hard with this type of "ambient music".

Early reviews of Dunkirk point out that the score is effective in the film and that it probably will not function as an isolated listener. Which is good and bad at the same time.

But let's wait before judging


Anonymous2017-07-15 04:33:17
@James

Everything I'm reading about Dunkirk and those reviews that mention the score are glowing, to say the least. Which review(s) suggest the score would not be serviceable apart from the film?

Personally, I like Andrew and Steve's stuff! Esp Chappie, The Bible and TASM2. Also arrangements from Interstellar.


James2017-07-15 22:51:01
Yep.

The reviews that come out indicate that the score works very well in the film, some even elevate it to its protagonist position. However, they also say that it is an experimental score and they compare it to the work that Johansson has developed in films with "The Arrival". It is electronic for the most part, and some even claim that the only truly melodic part comes at the end of the movie, in the final credits.The reviews that come out indicate that the score works very well in the film, some even elevate it to its protagonist position. However, they also say that it is an experimental score and they compare it to the work that Johansson has developed in films with "The Arrival". It is electronic for the most part, and some even claim that the only truly melodic part comes at the end of the movie, in the final credits.


James2017-07-15 22:59:53
Oops!
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Mephariel2017-07-15 23:25:25
Honestly, if it works that well in the film, then I will have no problem with the score. At the end of the day, Zimmer's number 1 job is to make sure the score works well with the film, not as an isolated experience. There are plenty of Zimmer scores out there that works well in the film and as a isolated experience.


James2017-07-16 00:16:48
I know I know..
I'm not criticizing.
I only have one foot behind.
But ok.
It will be a good one.

OskarC reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-15 18:34:46
I'd like to.belive that the End Titles is an awsome long piece with some epic theme statements if there even is a theme.

Maximouss86 reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-15 11:28:06
Hey guys,
Could someone define the role of a Andrew Kawczynski and Steve Mazzaro as additional composers please?
I'm not sure to understand their investment in these scores.

Kingfannypack reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-14 09:20:00
Reviews for the film are good, the same is so for the soundtrack's effectiveness at being incredible tense- excitement building!!!!

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