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Just listened to the whole thing, kind of a let down. Nothing interessting except for some action moments. Donít even recall hearing some sort of theme. Overall it was like listening to Cars 4: Spanish World Cup.I have already listened to The Jumanji Overture and I must say it sounds really great. Let's see how the rest of the score sounds.Tracklist with track duration:<br>01. The Jumanji Overture (03:20)<br>02. Digging Up The Past (01:43)<br>03. Brantfort High (01:09)<br>04. Into The Jungle (01:23)<br>05. Out of Character (02:31)<br>06. The Legend of the Jewel (02:23)<br>07. The Adventure Begins (01:40)<br>08. Special Abilities (01:16)<br>09. The Bikers (03:44)<br>10. Van Pelt (01:00)<br>11. A Test Of Friendship (01:22)<br>12. The Bazaar (01:16)<br>13. Snake Charmer (03:41)<br>14. The Power of Bravestone (01:04)<br>15. Seaplane McDonough (02:17)<br>16. The Missing Piece (01:46)<br>17. Lost In Time (01:18)<br>18. Flirting With Danger (01:36)<br>19. Albino Rhinos (03:44)<br>20. Retrieving the Emerald (01:54)<br>21. Out of Lives (01:49)<br>22. First Kiss (01:22)<br>23. The Jaguars (03:03)<br>24. Ring of Fire (02:07)<br>25. Begin The Climb (01:56)<br>26. Call Out Its Name (02:23)<br>27. leaving Jumanji (03:03)<br>28. An Older Friend (02:40)<br>29. Back To School (01:53)@ds the same for desplat's victory with Budapest Hotel.Maybe. I'd sure be happy for you lot ;) And I'd definitely rather see Powell attached to a project than, say, RGW, Junkie or Desplat. <br><br>That Solo movie is going to be a disaster, though.
One more thing: if indeed the reason for Powell's semi-hiatus was to be with his family as much as possible, we may well see his activity increase again in coming years now that his wife has passed away and his son is close to graduating high school (I couldn't find an exact date of birth for him but I think he's 16 or 17). Him taking on a project as big and ambitious as Star Wars isn't exactly the sign of someone who wants to take it easy. It's too early to say yet though.hans should win the oscar for best sound effects and not for the best music/score. just as a statement.And it's also unfair to use Balfe to criticize Powell. He started working on American projects in 2005 with Batman Begins, and only after 2010 did he receive individual projects. Is it accurate to compare someone who entered the party at the last minute with two others who are in it for 20 (Powell) and 30 (Zimmer)?<br><br>I'm in a hurry and I put everything into a translator. Forgive the many mistakes.<br> <br><br><br>Composers do not need to worry about the attention, acceptance of the public of the same or the same intensity as pop music artists do. There's no need to do that. Occasionally some name draws attention to the public and causes many people to be in the genre, Williams and Zimmer are the main examples that I can bring the table. However it is not because Williams or Zimmer are extremely popular and perhaps worry about the material they are offering to the public who adores them that all the composers of the world need to do equal. Most of these men and women even enxeega as "celebrity". They are more like artisans or the rest of the crew of a film that occupies with the lights, effects and costumes and that will never have the same response from the public as the main actor. And they don't even expect it. So I think it's foolish to wait for Powell to occupy himself in 2,3 movies a year to please a fanbase.<br><br>I'll agree with you when it says it's deplorable to see CPR composers who talk so much about building a single voice and giving emerging talent the opportunity to use so many additional composers (many of them with a possible promise that in the future they will work with Zimmer and thus have the opportunity to show his face in Hollywood.The sense is almost always these.You start with a secondary composer, he arrives at Zimmer and gains some kind of notoriety). But Powell is not the only one who does this. So he should not be the only one criticized.Well...it's a film score. It has no obligation to provide a pleasant or enjoyable listening experience, and for an award like this that doesn't really come into consideration. So if it works in the film, it did its job and that's all that matters.<br><br>For me personally, as someone who cares about music first and films second, a score like Dunkirk has little value. A few years ago I probably would have been pretty mad about this score winning awards and acclaim (you should have seen how salty I got when The Social Network beat out HTTYD), but these days... *shrug*. I know what I like, Dunkirk isn't it, and that's fine. It wasn't written for me. Do I wish Hans still wrote the kind of music I like? Of course. But he gets to make his own choices as an artist, just as I get to choose what to listen to as a fan.
The score is already on itunes.This score... so many mixed emotions. Does it work for the film? Heck yeah. Does it improve the film? So much so. Did Hans do what he set out to do? Totally. Is it an award winning masterpiece? Um, not so fast.<br><br>Dunkirk, while super effective within the context of the film (I wouldnít change a thing about it), I must admit, it doesnít have nearly the same effect as a stand-alone listen. Itís literally the same textures and notes over and over again, just slightly rising and falling in pitch and tempo. Does that make it ďawardĒ worthy? Iím not sure. If based solely on the film, you betcha. If based purely on the music itself, I donít think so. Thatís where Interstellar succeeds so far and away over Dunkirk. As a pure listening experience, Interstellar is interesting, multi-layered and emotional. Whereas Dunkirk is just flat, void of any sort of feeling or ďactualĒ music (again, works IN the film). Itís glorified sound FX (save for the end, which, no doubt, is in large part to Ben).<br><br>Hmm... Iíve never had a score tear me apart more than this one. I both love it and hate it. Maybe it did itís job... lol.<br><br>Excuse me while I go listen to No Time for Caution yet again.I think most of us agree that he should've won for Interstellar but I think Dunkirk deserves it too. The work Hans and the music department did on this movie is just incredible. Must've been a lot of hard work. <br>An award is an award, Hans' 2nd Oscar is long overdue so I'd be glad to see him win. But it would be weird to see him win for THAT score, after all the greatnesses of the past 20 years. Same thing with Morricone who won his only Oscar for his very light and insignificant work on Hateful Eight. Good for the man, good for the fans, but doesn't really make sense. But have Oscars ever made sense? :-phaha hybrid :D made my day
Hybrid, yes!wow man, hybrid. this isn't right from you. actually really embarrasing and an absolute no-go from a staff/member of this site to write such a comment. even if it's a joke, this is a shame and sad.I was a bit over the line, I admit. I should have made it clearer that all of that "hottest shit in town" bit was meant purely as a part of my personal opinion regarding his output. I never saw or read any interviews with him. <br><br>I also know about his wife, of course... but I guess I'm just too cynical to accept it as an all-encompasing excuse while seeing such massive fanbase clamoring for his new music. I don't know, I admittedly feel a bit bad about what I'm saying myself. I AM an asshole, sure, but only to an extent. <br><br>I think that saying "he is writing scores that he feels comfortable with" and "living his life however he wants", albeit understandable, is still ignoring the fact that he is an artist with a fanbase. We are living in a time when film composers are slowly getting a mainstream recognition as a type of musicians comparable to bands or singers. And that creates a certain responsibility towards that fanbase. An artist doesn't have to fulfill it, sure, but he should at the very least acknowledge and address it.<br><br>Which brings to mind an image of Hans going on a massive tour whilst giving zero fucks about the CD presentation of his scores, but I digress.<br><br>I wouldn't dare giving Powell advices about how to deal with a pain of the loved one's loss. But on the other hand, I strongly believe in artist's responsibility towards the fans. <br><br>For example, that's why I would kick everybody saying "GRRM is not your bitch" right in the goddamn nuts.Now I have ONE true reason to want this score to win !<br><br>PEACE ! lolI stand corrected. Though it's still possible that the score is a combination of live orchestra and samples, a lot of RCP music does that.
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Transformers - The Last Knight
Label: Paramount Pictures / La-La Land Records
Length: 129'34
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  1. Sacrifice (6:46)
  2. The Coming Of Cybertron (4:58)
  3. Merlin's Staff (5:49)
  4. No-Go Zone (3:28)
  5. Stay And Fight (6:26)
  6. Code Red (2:12)
  7. Izzy (4:00)
  8. Purity Of Heart (3:34)
  9. Megatron Negotiation (3:37)
  10. Today We Hunt (1:46)
  11. Running Out Of Tomorrows (1:20)
  12. Drone Chase (5:07)
  13. You Have Been Chosen (2:17)
  14. Seglass Ni Tonday (6:27)
  15. Quintessa (6:36)
  16. Vivian (3:52)
  17. Abduction (3:04)
  18. History Of Transformers (4:23)
  19. Cogman Sings (2:09)
  20. Vivian Follows Merlin (6:41)
  21. The Greatest Mission Of All (2:19)
  22. Dive (3:15)
  23. Two Moons (2:03)
  24. Merlin's Tomb (3:18)
  25. Claim The Staff (3:36)
  26. Prime Versus Bee (2:45)
  27. Your Voice (4:34)
  28. I Had My Moment (2:29)
  29. Ospreys (1:49)
  30. Battlefield (3:43)
  31. Did You Forget Who I Am (1:56)
  32. We Have To Go (5:48)
  33. Calling All Autobots (2:55)
  34. Sir Edmund Burton (4:10)
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Ricky reply Replies: 3 || 2017-06-24 18:41:50
When does this come out?


axel2017-06-24 19:16:46
It's already available since yesterday :)


Everan2017-06-24 19:26:22
There's a 2 CD release from La La Land Records on July 11th. In itunes it's already up


Ricky2017-06-25 05:37:56
Awesome Thx.

ST8V8N reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-25 05:04:34
which tracks are suites, cuz it seems like a bunch are...?

Scorefan reply Replies: 2 || 2017-06-24 02:02:46
@Hybrid, what do you think about the score? Is it a good or bad score? Thanks


Hybrid Soldier2017-06-24 10:27:26
Haven't had time to listen to it yet. I hope it's anywhere near TMNT 2 which I love... lol


MrZimmerFan2017-06-24 10:48:04
If you like violin solos, female/male choirs and string action ostinatos and certain electronic pulsing action...

You're welcome

Alexander reply Replies: 1 || 2017-06-23 23:32:45
A question for everyone who has Seen the Movie: is there another Version of arrival to Earth in the Movie or just the Part from "I had my Moments" ?


Bayhem2017-06-24 10:37:31
I saw the movie twice, but I can't seem to recall another version. It's only "I Had My Moment".

Bayhem reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-24 09:42:45
The "Quintessa" track = ear orgasm. It's weird, it's not even a melody, but it's still very appealing to me. Listening to it as we speak. Jablonsky really did a good job with this one.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 6 || 2017-06-23 06:41:10
Ironically this score definitely is the closest to the sound of the first film in terms of the action music and chord progressions. There are some truly standout tracks (Seglass Ni Tonday is as gorgeous as anything Steve has written so far for this series, Arrival to Earth and Infinite White aside) and I think is overall a stronger package than both DOTM and AOE.

That being said, I'll never understand why Bay decided to move away from the original themes. When the most memorable aspect of the score are the already established themes (which are only used a handful of times) something clearly is wrong. Hell, what happened to the awesome Decepticon motif?


Anonymous2017-06-23 07:28:10
At least Danny Elfman didn't replace Jablonsky after he already started it. Glad that hasn't ever happened. Oh, wait.


MrZimmerFan2017-06-23 11:24:21
Better than AOE, that's for sure


SmartGuy2017-06-23 16:06:10
Well, I think this one is truly amazing. I did not exept too much, but eventually I'm happier with Steve's T5 then I was for example with BvS by Zimmer and JunkieXL, that really dissapointed me.


Backbiter2017-06-23 17:36:48
The Decepticon Motif is used in AOE


mpolonest123 2017-06-23 20:23:50
It was hinted at in "Presence of Megatron", right? Even then, none of the TF sequels really used it outside of the chanting in ROTF.


superultramegaa2017-06-23 21:31:48
Honestly, that reprise of No Sacrifice, No Victory at the end gave me everything I wanted, along with the reprises of Arrival To Earth. I just need a few songs with the main 3 themes (Arrival To Earth, Optimus, and Autobots,) to make the score feel connected with the others.

Alexander reply Replies: 5 || 2017-06-23 00:17:32
Can anyone here create a List which titles are actually old themes like "autobots" or "arrival to Earth" ? :)


LS100Studios2017-06-23 01:42:55
Someone probably knows better, but I'm almost certain that "Your Voice", "Did You Forget Who I Am" and "Calling All Autobots" feature theme reprises. Haven't heard the score yet but this is just judging by the movie.


Alexander2017-06-23 11:29:31
Ok, thank You !
Really like it that they don't replace Steve jablonsky so that there is at Last one continuity in the franchise.


SmartGuy2017-06-23 16:11:13
Also track "I Had My Moment" is theme from Transformers 1.


Medigo2017-06-23 20:19:59
Calling all Autobots definitely reuses the Autobot theme


Alexander2017-06-23 20:27:35
My god the arrival to Earth Part in "I had my Moments" would have been Perfect to give us a New, more mayestic Version of arrival to Earth O just don't get it why they stoped the Song at that Point. But yea "calling all autobots" has defenetly more of the old autobots theme than "I had my Moment" has of arrival to Earth. Still the best Version of the Start from arrival to Earth.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2017-06-23 19:08:38
At the end, James Sale conduct the orchestra, NGS left for the HZ Tour


Hybrid Soldier2017-06-23 19:15:35
Nick conducted some of it during his tour breaks ! ;)

George reply Replies: 2 || 2017-06-23 03:49:46
Steve did an awesome job with this. First listen I was a little disappointed, but the second time through I got a lot more out of the tracks. Give it two or three listens through!


Phil2017-06-23 11:36:32
I agree


Waymann2017-06-23 11:57:49
This is a good score, the fact that it's mostly new music with new themes is interesting. But maybe a little more of the older themes here and there would have been great. Although many tracks on this score are actually older theme's with just some notes that are left out from them. Something Michael Giacchino did on his score for Rogue One.

Megalith reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-23 02:15:22
Just listened to the whole thing. Unfortunately, like four, this seems to be lacking a really strong theme like the first three soundtracks.

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Joseph Solano reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-22 21:17:15
Tracks 1,3,7,15,16,and 34 are probably suites. Sounds good to me!

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 20 || 2017-06-21 18:38:52
Friday 23rd!

Merlin's Staff is awesome


Everan2017-06-21 19:04:42
It's in La La Land Soundcloud for anyone that looks for it.

And my god, is gorgeous!!


MrZimmerFan2017-06-21 19:08:43
And the physical version release is July 11th, 2-CD Limited


Everan2017-06-21 19:20:08
Now they are just spoiling us lol


Bayhem2017-06-21 19:56:01
"Merlin's Staff" surprised me in a good way. Loved the track. And I can't believe that there will be a physical version. As someone who always supports (and prefers) physical media, this is really great news. Will definitely buy the two-disc set. There will be only 3,000 units though....


Waymann2017-06-21 20:12:46
Hopefully the artwork is better than that one on soundcloud. That poster is hideous.


Everan2017-06-21 20:14:40
The 2cd will probably have a different cover. You can still find alternate covers on the internet, I myself made 8 covers with all the different posters for example.


Bayhem2017-06-22 05:46:16
Let's hope you're right, Everan. I'm hoping for a different cover for the two-disc set, because as much as I enjoy watching the movies, some of the posters they make for them are....not exactly great, at least in my opinion. I still think TF1 and TF3 have the best posters and the best covers for their scores/soundtracks. But hey, great thing is, there are people out there who can make some terrific fan/alternate covers for the scores.


Waymann2017-06-22 08:43:37
Great! It's that awful cover art. Who ever signed off on that poster?? Looks fan-made, no wait even fans can do better... Now I have to mess with the itunes file and change the artwork.


Waymann2017-06-22 10:04:24
So I made my own cover art. Think of it what you want but I like it better than the official one. It resembles an important sc&#232;ne in the movie, as for the color pallet of this film. Plus it fits next to other score covers.

https://s9.postimg.org/fu46mey4v/T5_Last_Knight_Score.jpg


Alexander 2017-06-22 15:17:52
Is it out in the US and/or UK ?!? I am in Germany and it is not even on iTunes for pre order.


MrZimmerFan2017-06-22 15:21:30
Wait for tomorrow!


Waymann2017-06-22 16:10:22
It's coming out tomorrow, no worries. I just checked it on itunes Sri Lanka. It will include 34 tracks with a runtime around 2 hours and 9 minutes!


MrZimmerFan2017-06-22 16:33:20
ht t ps:/ /itunes.apple.com/lk/album/i-had-my-moment/id1250753808?i=12 50755068


Everan2017-06-22 16:45:07
That's a lot of tracks!


MrZimmerFan2017-06-22 19:54:15
1. Sacrifice (6:46)
2. The Coming of Cybertron (4:58)
3. Merlinís Staff (5:49)
4. No-Go Zone (3:28)
5. Stay and Fight (6:26)
6. Code Red (2:12)
7. Izzy (4:00)
8. Purity of Heart (3:34)
9. Megatron Negotiation (3:37)
10. Today We Hunt (1:46)
11. Running out of Tomorrows (1:20)
12. Drone Chase (5:07)
13. You Have Been Chosen (2:17)
14. Seglass Ni Tonday (6:27)
15. Quintessa (6:36)
16. Vivian (3:52)
17. Abduction (3:04)
18. History of Transformers (4:23)
19. Cogman Sings (2:09)
20. Vivian Follows Merlin (6:41)
21. The Greatest Mission of All (2:19)
22. Dive (3:15)
23. Two Moons (2:03)
24. Merlinís Tomb (3:18)
25. Claim the Staff (3:36)
26. Prime Versus Bee (2:45)
27. Your Voice (4:34)
28. I Had My Moment (2:29)
29. Ospreys (1:49)
30. Battlefield (3:43)
31. Did You Forget Who I Am (1:56)
32. We Have to Go (5:48)
33. Calling All Autobots (2:55)
34. Sir Edmund Burton (4:10)


Smartguy2017-06-22 20:04:31
It could leak out already, come on! I don't want to wait anymore!!


Everan2017-06-22 20:28:56
It did, but not telling where. Still downloading my itunes version tomorrow though, original always wins.


Smartguy2017-06-22 20:30:23
C'mon Everan....


Smartguy2017-06-22 20:53:06
No need. Found it...


rockhound2017-06-22 21:16:29
Seglass Ni Tonday is a standout track. one of jablonskys best i've heard from him.

Waymann reply Replies: 5 || 2017-06-20 13:42:27
Is there going to be a original song for this new movie ?


Bayhem2017-06-21 09:09:36
Nothing indicates it. I guess they decided against it. Personally, I don't mind it. The score is more than enough for me : )


Waymann2017-06-21 09:42:43
Not minding either, but I kinda liked Linkin Park's contribution to the series. But still hate what Imagine Dragons made for the fourth film. That was awfull.


Everan2017-06-21 16:10:17
Haven't found anything on people that have seen the film, they don't mention a song or anything,


Ds2017-06-21 20:08:15
It seems to be a Chinese cover of the song "Torches" by X Ambassador. There's an official video, but it's not been promoted at all... outside of China I guess!

Pretty lame when you remember the great songs from Linkin Park and Imagine Dragons, and the way they were integrated in the score.


Everan2017-06-22 16:43:57
I ventured Youtube and spoiled myslef a bit, but saw the start of the credits and there is no song from either LP or Imagine Dragons, is score by Steve. However it's a pretty nice theme so I won't spoil what theme it is.

George reply Replies: 7 || 2017-06-21 01:36:12
wow this movie has a 95% on rotten tomatoes?! Oh wait just kidding


Bayhem2017-06-21 09:05:10
This has nothing to do with the topic at hand - which is the score from Jablonsky and crew. But since you brought it up, let me say some things. First, no sane person would let a rating on some website dictate his/her entertainment choices. Only sheep would let critics tell them what to watch and what not to watch. Second, Zimmer and company have never been "loved" by the critics, so that's that. Not that it matters in this day and age anyway... Considering that 90% of the film critics today are glorified comicbook fanboys who hate pretty much everything and have a very annoying behavior toward cinema as whole, and don't know crap about filmmaking as well. So yeah, I would rather trust the opinion of a peeled banana. Gone are the days of critics like Ebert and Maltin - critics who, first and foremost, LOVE cinema, and who were able to provide a constructive criticism without attacking the audience and without personally insulting filmmakers and actors. That's not the case anymore. Hate, snark, anger and annoying sarcasm are what the modern "critics" rely on. And that is wrong. So yeah, you'll never see me going to sites like Rotten Tomatoes and I'll never let critics tell me what to watch and what not to watch. I think I'm smart anough to make up my own mind. Also, Brett Ratner was absolutely right when he said that this Rotten Tomatoes site is the worst thing to happen to cinema. I would also add another site - Filmtracks (MV/RC fans know why).


meta2017-06-21 14:09:43
blame the internet


psycosid092017-06-21 15:11:42
don't blame the internet. Blame yourself


Bayhem2017-06-21 17:07:37
Oh, it is indeed to blame. But it's too easy to just blast the internet. Internet is not entirely to blame, but it definitely plays a part. Make no mistake about it. There was a time when people actually went outside their homes to buy newspapers and magazines, to read (among other things) reviews by respected, intelligent critics. In other words, people were exposed to the intelligently written, and very often quite measured, reviews. Now with the internet and social media, people are drowning in crappy reviews, written by 20 to 35 year old militant film geeks (some of them with serious anger issues) who wouldn't know what "constructive crit&#239;cism" means, even if their lives depended on it. I have NO respect whatsoever for these people and their opinions. And unfortunately, the internet + the regular sheeples who are unable to form their own opinions and who care a little too much about reviews, are helping them to spread their hateful bullcrap. In short, there's no filter anymore. Any knucklehead with a computer and an internet connection can be a critic now, and through social media his/her crap can reach thousands of people in a matter of seconds. I'm all for freedom of speech, but I'm against hateful, vile behavior, snark and personal attacks against those people who work hard to entertain us. You don't like a certain movie....fine. You're allowed to have an opinion. Just remember these things: your opinion, when it comes to appreciating art, is not a fact, and your opinion is just as valid as the opinion of a person who loves the movie that you hated. That goes for all people. Opinions on art are opinions. Not facts. And last but not least: don't get angry because of a freakin' movie. Unless the movie is about your life and they totally changed everything, you have no right to act as if the filmmakers have killed your entire family. Getting angry over a movie you didn't like is ridiculous. Try to focus that energy toward things that actually matter in our lives. Hollywood films, and I'm saying that as a huge, huge film fan, are made first and foremost for entertainment. They're harmless. If you like the flick, you like the flick, if you don't, you don't. Whatever the case, keep living your life and don't go all crazy over movies. Yes, it's great to have film discussions and all that stuff, but be measured, be respectful and calm your nerves. There are faaaaar more important things in this world to worry about or get angry about.


psycosid092017-06-21 18:34:10
Bayhem, just please calm down.


Everan2017-06-21 19:16:33
He's right though. Critics can only articulate thoughts with insul to injury, just like an internet commenter, because it's waht attracts these days, and is way wrong.


Bayhem2017-06-21 19:50:33
psycosid09, what's the matter? Got nothing to say, so you go with short, meaningless replies, huh? There's a good saying: "Don't start what you can't finish." Next time, don't post on the web if you're not prepared to support your statements.

Evan reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-21 18:25:52
Finally !

http:/ew.com/movies/2017/06/21/transformers-last-knight-scor e/

Yura reply Replies: 3 || 2017-06-20 21:30:16
Who knows? The album will be released this month? Or will there be a delay?


MrZimmerFan2017-06-20 21:53:31
The score album is created... in Steve's desktop ;P


George2017-06-20 21:53:37
I looked around all over the internet and certain film score sites have the release as this Friday... but also Steve Jablonsky said he doesn't have an official release date... so my fingers are cautiously crossed for Friday.


Everan2017-06-21 00:18:06
Maybe he got a release date since? We'll find out on friday I guess

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-19 17:08:10
A guess is not a official release date

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2017-06-19 16:16:07
And how you know that?


Waymann2017-06-19 16:43:45
Scroll down and look for the post by Bayhem.

George reply Replies: 1 || 2017-06-19 15:56:31
So does anyone know if the score will be released this week with the movie, or are we gonna have to wait a few weeks like with every other Transformers score?


Waymann2017-06-19 16:01:08
As Steve Jablonsky stated, the score has no release date yet but will be available around 2 weeks after the movie has been released.

Bayhem reply Replies: 17 || 2017-06-09 10:18:44
I'm really looking forward to this score, but there's one thing that kinda bugs me....I love what Steve and crew are doing with the "Transformers" scores but man, I really do miss the "heavenly choir" and all the chants/voices from the first two movies. You know, the MV/RC sound we all love. I'm listening to the "Revenge of the Fallen" score now, and all the choir parts, chants, the vocals by Lisbeth Scott, it's all absolutely stunning. Beautiful and powerful. They should've used more from the first two movies, that's what I think. Not repeating the same themes of course, but keeping the style, while still trying some new stuff. I like the "Age of Extinction" and "Dark of the Moon" scores, but if I have to choose I would definitely go with the first "Transformers" and "Revenge of the Fallen". Much more layered, much more powerful scores. Kind of ironic, since Steve said that he didn't have enough time for "Revenge of the Fallen"... Anyway, let's hope for at least some small parts with choir and vocals in "The Last Knight" score...


mpolonest1232017-06-10 23:45:11
I fully agree, but you do have to take into account that each score uses a different template based off of whatever musical trend (more often than not what Zimmer previously did).

The first Transformers had a lot of King Arthur/Batman Begins influence with the chord progressions and use of choir. RotF definitely borrowed some A&D/Gladiator, DoTM was TDK/Inception, and AoE had elements from MoS mixed with the whole "incorporate a band to write a theme or two" approach.

To your point though, nothing tops the first two scores in terms of dynamic themes and writing. At the end of the day it all comes down to whatever Bay wants, or whatever temp track they end up using.


Edmund Meinerts2017-06-11 00:20:31
The Transformers scores are, for better or for worse, consistently a reflection of whatever Hans (or other RCP) scores and trends came out the two or three years before it and were super popular on temp tracks at the time. mpolonest, you nailed it with the first four... so for this one, I'd expect to hear a lot of Mad Max (that descending ostinato is EVERYWHERE right now...Turtles 2, Moana, Lego Batman, Guardians 2, Pirates 5, it's the most pervasive temp track since probably "Time") mixed with maybe some more Man of Steel/Batman v Superman drums and a few customary Horns of Doom (although those have been waning lately, thank God; I guess that trend is finally, slowly running its course).

Of course, with the King Arthur storyline this time around, I am hoping that gives Jablonsky the chance to go back to the more melodic and, well, King Arthur-like approach from the first score. :)


Ds2017-06-11 02:18:24
Edmund, which descending ostinato are you speaking about? I'm curious because I never noticed any Mad Max influence in all the scores you listed here. Do you have examples of specific tracks? :-p


Optimus Prime2017-06-11 03:54:55
h t t p s://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6KCRcR0uIM


Ando2017-06-11 09:16:15
I think Edmund gets confused with the descending line . It existed prior to Mad Max. It was in such score as Megamind, Predator and most Rock and Roll Songs !!!!!


Everan2017-06-11 20:38:22
What Edmund said, but we are getting some really amazing strings around too, and the choir is back. The trailer music that ends with Prime cutting off heads is most likely part of the score, and what Optimus posted is very likely as well.

I'm getting excited as the days roll by, anticipating those samples really soon now.


Bayhem2017-06-13 15:01:39
mpolonest123, good points and I agree. And yes, at the end of the day it is what Bay wants. I'm glad that he and Jablonsky are willing to experiment with different sounds and themes, but I guess I'm just one of those people who still want to hear the classic MV/RC sound. That heavy, choir-filled, dynamic, epic sound that we got in "The Island", "The Peacemaker", "The Rock" and "Transformers 1". Guess I'm just old school and the new scores sound too electronic and artificial to me. But it doesn't mean that I hate them. That's just what happens when a person loves the classic MV/RC sound a bit too much : ))


mpolonest123 2017-06-13 18:29:13
@Bayhem Nothing wrong with loving the older scores too much, nothing tops that old school electric guitar/keyboarded/testosterone anthem approach. They were definitely a product of their time however. You would hear see something like Drop Zone or Armageddon nowadays.

That being said, I'm personally glad to see that music (both score and song-wise) has evolved the way it has. Everybody loves Hans in 'Crimson Tide/Peacemaker' mode but if he continuously wrote in that style it would get old... Fast.
We are currently in Tom Holkenborg era where sound design and traditional scoring are becoming more intertwined and experimentation is definitely more popular, which I actually think is great.

And who knows, just like how 80's style music is making a big resurgence we might see some throwbacks in the future if the demand is there. The most important thing is that music keeps changing and allowing for new ideas and voices to come onto the scene. As for this score in particular, I personally would like to see something fresh that doesn't completely neglect its roots like Dark of the Moon or Age of Extinction both did.


Edmund Meinerts2017-06-14 01:36:32
Yeah...I know that kind of descending ostinato line was not exactly invented by JXL for Mad Max. But neither were low brass notes invented for Inception. And yet you just know that every Horn of Doom/BWAAAAAMMMM that you heard in a movie or trailer for the next seven years was probably directly inspired by it, it's just one of those things that really caught on. And right now it's that Mad Max string line - I think it's happening too often, and the score/movie was too popular, for it to be a coincidence. For reference, what I'm referring to is at 0:19 of the extended version of "Brothers in Arms" from MM:FR (among other places).

TMNT: Out of the Shadows has it in "Casey Jones" (this is the most clearly "temped" of the lot, the electronics from the beginning are really similar too, and the ostinato comes at around 0:47).

Moana has it in "Kakamora" at 1:20, it's only very briefly in this one, but considering how much the *scene* this cue accompanies owes to Mad Max I doubt it's a coincidence :p

Guardians 2 has it in "vs the Abilisk" and "Kraglin vs Drax", both from the very beginning.

Lego Batman has it in a few places, "Joker Crashes the Party" at 1:00 is maybe the most obvious.

Pirates 5 has it in "Kill the Sparrow" at 1:15.


Ds2017-06-14 19:09:36
Thanks Edmund, all I can say is you have an incredible musical ear because I never noticed anything :-D
Not that I know these scores very well in their entirety, I must say.
Yeah I think we can be there'll be some Mad Max influence in TF5. Actually it was already the case in TF4, except we called it "MoS influence" at the time. In fact it's just "JXL influence" :-p


Bayhem2017-06-15 20:49:33
mpolonest123 - to be completely honest, I'm still not on the "Holkenborg fan-train" and if there's a vote for the guy who would lead and represent MV/RC in the future, my vote would go to Jablonsky. I'm one of those people who - ever since 2007 - think that he is the "new Hans Zimmer". Having said that, I really enjoyed parts of Holkenborg's Mad Max score. Some parts of Deadpool as well. But I guess he's too much of an experimental guy for me. Of course, I'm not as familiar as you are with him, and if I listen to some of his other scores maybe I would change my mind. I'm glad that he gets to score big movies, but on the other hand I'm worried about him, because maybe he got into the "big composer league" a little too quickly, and I would hate to see him become another Klaus Badelt. And I'm saying that as a huge fan of Badelt. Unfortunately, he - though still working on smaller and some B-movies - is not in the "big league" anymore, which is a damn shame. Badelt got famous pretty quickly during the Time Machine and Pirates 1 days, and just as quickly he fell of the radar (it was around Poseidon). I hope that doesn't happen to Holkenborg. And...I still REALLY hope for another "big movie score" from Badelt. As for the TF5 score - from the small bits I've heard on Jablonsky's YouTube channel, I get the feeling that it will be closer to the TF3 score. Not bad, but honestly I would have preferred a sound closer to TF2. But hey, that's just me. My opinion : )


mpolonest123 2017-06-15 22:34:50
@Bayhem
if you want to hear JXL outside of his usual comfort zone definitely take a listen to both Divergent and Black Mass (and maybe parts of Brimstone, such as; "Genesis", "Liz", "The Reverend", "Exodus", and "Watching Over Me") The biggest issue with him isn't his lack of talent as everyone seems to think, but what producers keep hiring to write which is that Mad Max/300 sound which is trending. Even the "Run All Night Sketchbook" shows more variety in style than some shit like Deadpool.

As far as composers who compare with Zimmer, I would easily put Lorne Balfe at the top of my list (and as far as writing great themes on his level; Trevor Rabin ftw)
Steve Jablonsky is certainly talented, but my number one gripe with him is that most of his music seems to borrow heavily from outside sources. Which isn't to say I don't like it, but scores like Gangster Squad, Enders Game, and the TF series wear their "inspirations" on their sleeves.


Petras7912017-06-16 00:18:20
Totally agree with you that Balfe is the best to come
From the Zimmer camp. His melodies are fantastic


James2017-06-16 00:23:38
One guy who plays well with old MTV times is Rupert Gregson Williams (WW, Hacksaw Ridge ...). Balfe, Jablonsky and XL have *different* voices even comparing with Zimmer. And that's a good thing.


Andreas2017-06-16 07:09:25
Balfe had the most memorable tunes. His assassins creed is fantastic .


Bayhem2017-06-16 08:55:44
mpolonest123 - thanks for the recommendations. I would definitely check these scores out. I totally forgot that he did Black Mass, though I remember enjoying the music while watching the movie itself.

As for Lorne Balfe, I'm also a fan of the guy, so I definitely understand why he's on top of your list. After all, he's been involved in some of the biggest Zimmer scores and like any good student he gradually kept on climbing the ladder. He didn't just pop out of nowhere. He had more than enough time to master his craft and I was happy when Bay hired him to score 13 Hours.

You're not wrong about Jablonsky and even though I'm a huge fan of the guy I don't deny that sometimes he "borrows" from other sources. But I would argue that it happens mostly on some of his bigger scores. Kind of like Holkeborg, Jablonsky really shows his talent outside of his comfort zone, in smaller movies, videogames and TV shows. Examples are his work on Desperate Housewives, Steamboy, Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars, some bits of The Hitcher, and my personal favorite Pain and Gain. IMO, these scores prove that the guy has a voice of his own and that he can definitely offer more than just huge, bombastic scores. By the way, an interesting observation: Balfe did some addition scoring on the first two Transformers films, which happen to be my favorite scores of the frachise. Maybe Jablonsky needs to team up with Balfe again : )


Andrew2017-06-16 18:18:10
I totally agree . Balfe came out of no where and then he is doing everything . It's great following his career . His music is the strongest from RCP since John Powell. Home and Lego Batman blew me away .

Bayhem reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-13 14:45:54
Jablonsky on social media: "Don't have an official release date yet but it (the score) is currently sitting on my desktop &#128540;"


My guess is, they will release it a week or two after the movie starts rolling. Waiting, waiting...

Mehmetcan reply Replies: 1 || 2017-06-11 09:28:48
Hi there :) Which ones are Blake's composed Themes for the movie "The Da Vinci Code"?


James D.2017-06-11 14:58:38
Does not matter. Just kidding. Search your site somewhere on Google. If there's nothing there ... There's no way to tell. And leave that question for the Da Vince Code topic.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-10 22:38:54
The last poster confirm it... La La Land Records and Paramount Music

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 8 || 2017-06-06 21:50:58
Well then I guess it's time to add this ?


MrZimmerFan2017-06-06 23:27:59
Imdb says the conductor is James T. Sale, not NGS

Weird


Joshua2017-06-06 23:34:36
YES!!!! &#128077; My #2 most anticipated score this year only behind Dunkirk.


Evenstar2017-06-07 15:37:57
Thank you La-La Land Records!!!


Everan2017-06-07 15:57:39
OH GOD YES YES YES THANK YOU!!
I hope it comes out on the US premiere date instead of the Mexico one (July 23)


Ds2017-06-07 18:39:25
Yes the US premiere is Wednesday 21 June, it's only in 2 weeks! <:o)


Zimson2017-06-07 19:10:35
Anyone can write on IMDB. It's a bit like wikipedia.


Luis2017-06-08 09:30:05
Hybrid, do you actually work for Hans?


Evenstar2017-06-08 11:29:02
MV from LLL kinda announced it in the FSM Forum. ;-)

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