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Might not have happened with Poltergeist, but it did with 300 ROAE !Lorne: "6 Underground has been a fantastic experience. I started writing just before he (Bay) started filming. And then while he was filming, I was writing throughout that process so he was able to hear the music and work with it during the early stages of editing. Itís just a fantastic movie.<br><br>Thereís nobody that can shoot like Michael Bay. Itís exciting and itís pure. Itís the reason why I got into movies. My movies that I would sit as a young teenager and look at were made by Jerry Bruckheimer and were films like Bad Boys or The Rock. Con Air and all these movies were what made me want to get into film and if Crimson Tide is on the television, thatís me for the next two hours. Iím not leaving. That was what made me fall in love with film. And so itís great to be able to work with Michael and Jerry. So yeah, 6 Underground was just an absolute blast and great fun."<br><br>- https://collider.com/lorne-balfe-interview-gemini-man-his-da rk-materials-bad-boys-3/<br>https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/ poltergeist-steven-spielberg-director-conspiracy-theory-conf irmed-tobe-hooper-a7846651. htmlDear Mr Antas,<br>I am a young 19 years old boy who lives in Germany (Rheinland-Pfalz). I am asking for permission to use the music īTimeī by Hans Zimmer. It will be used as background music for a motivational speech. I would give the credits of course and everything what I have to do, to use that music. Because I am in love with the music you produce and publish. What can I do for you for using it ? On what should I pay attention while publishing or creating my video? <br><br>Your sincerly<br>Ferhan IsbilirBalfe say it and i can confirmed now<br><br>6 Undergrond is coming by Paramount Music, and that means, only digital.<br><br>13 December, as the movie hit Netflix.
Nobody's has listened yet?<br><br><br>Well, easily the best score by Jackman this year, and one of my runner ups for 2019.<br><br>Such wonderful adventure score, like Welcome to the Jungle."holy crap! Sounds like Spielberg taking over Tobe Hooper on Poltergeist"<br><br>Never happened. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyViuLPVYAASnVT?format=jpg&name= small<br>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EErQOQWUUAAOjc1?format=jpg&name= smallHere is a short interview with Hans about Last Samurai. It's a little but I think it could be interesting for you.<br><br>https:/ /www.soundtrack.net/ content/article/?id=1 12Great movie and great music...<br>Does anybody knows what song is running during the "love scene"?Barcelona, pleaseeee!!!
Are there any Interviews were Hans talks about Last Samurai? Somehow I can't find any video or text interviews or anything... there must be something. Thanks!Sadly Last Samurai wasn't featured in World of Hans Zimmer Concert.Btw do we have info on Who will score Snyder's next movie? I dont see him going back down to Bates, and if it was HZ or JXL I think we would know it already...Yes please, do not forget Barcelona!Hans is not used to making concerts in Catalunya :( We'll have to travel again, or just wait for new dates...
Actually thinking about it, Bates was probably busy with GOTG to do anything for RofE.It was post MoS, so it was likely he picked him based on that (though it's also possible bringing back Bates might've been a risk post the debacle with the previous film).No concert in Barcelona ?And Snyder didn't bring Bates back due to the whole Plagiarism thing, or he just brought Tom as a last minute replacement?Soundtrack album from season 5 is out... that came out of nowhere
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Kyle Webb Watkins reply Replies: 2 || 2019-12-02 01:25:02
Itís ashamed some Williams can be heard in this. I like Elfman but this was just him reusing old themes from the 80ís and reworking the Avengers theme for the entire score. Should have brought Junkie or Balfe or Giacchino.


superultramegaa2019-12-03 02:03:39
What sucks is the composition and orchestration is really good, but there's no memorable new themes! I can't tell you the difference between the Hero and Anti-Hero themes, and I don't think Steppenwolf even has a consistent motif. None that I can hear.


HunterTech2019-12-03 04:26:00
The Hero theme is so simplistic that it'd be hard to somewhat forget if you hear it enough times. I always assumed the MoS Launch temp track from the Anti-Hero theme was supposed to be the villain motif, but having not seen the film doesn't give me a sense on how its utilized.

I think the Flash motif is pretty good as a "running" theme of sorts. And the titular JL theme is fine, if not really strong enough to carry a whole score (though I do like it appearing once the team is presumably fully formed). I haven't any other themes, even though I'm told there's others.

Junk is XL reply Replies: 24 || 2019-11-22 14:56:14
Whedon has his particular tastes which are guaranteed to be more sensible than 'Anonymous' below. This was a case where Snyder was facing an uphill struggle and a personal tragedy. He left the project. Josh came on board and he does not think highly of the RCP school, as anyone with a sensible ear will do. So he hired Elfman who did Age of Ultron for him after Tyler copy-pasted himself too much. It's ironic that fanboys here lambast Elfman for not being Zimmer enough in scope while Tyler does whatever he does, sounding EXACTLY the same on all projects.

But it's also heartening to see that all of the good RCP composers like Jackman, Junk, Balfe are now going for scores that sound a lot like 1990s or 2000s - Silvestri (Jumanji), Jones (Alita), or Shore (Dark Materials), respectively.


superultramegaa2019-11-22 19:51:30
I definitely agree with your last sentence. I really like seeing the RCP composers going back to orchestral splendor and melody. Shame Jablonsky's been MIA because of his family. I would have loved to see him come back with the orchestral, melodic voice that Balfe and Tom have had lately.


Hybrid Soldier2019-11-22 20:05:19
If you ask me, that "personal tragedy" for Snyder, though real, was just an excuse for them to fire him. It was convenient for Warner. They saw his film and they probably got scared it was impossible to sell, too long, too much BvS, too much this, too much that... This irony is now they made a billion with the darkest DC movie ever... Nice call WB... The minute Whedon & Elfman were "in", you understood this film was not Zack Snyder's anymore. This film is so terrible, I rewatched it lately, you can feel pretty much 80% of it is Whedon reshoots (just look for actors that look nothing like themselves when they shot the initial film, "New Haircut" Amy Adams, "Bottox" Batfleck, "Mustache" Cavill... And you can see from miles away how they all act like they don't care, that they hated every minute of reshooting it. I'm really sad Geoff Zanelli had to participate into this travesty, but I hope he got a huge paycheck for the pain ! lol Especially since Geoff was at the very beginning of the DCEU since he started working on ideas with Hans on Man Of Steel, before he left early to handle The Lone Ranger...

#ReleaseTheSnyderCut

Oh and btw Brian Tyler was fired from Avengers 2. And not because of the music he was writing. Whedon brought Elfman at the last minute, first he was "additional music", then "co-composer", if he had, say, one more month, he would have replaced the entirety of Tyler's score... He just didn't get enough time to do that...


Anonymous2019-11-22 22:29:33
Hybrid, any insight into why Tyler was fired from Age of Ultron? Iíve always wondered but have never seen an actual reason. Iíve heard he violated his contract to work on Furious 7 or something?

Just was curious because he still takes full credit for that score, and the more I see of him the more annoyed I get with his arrogant attitude. The dude thinks heís the greatest thing to ever happen to film scores.


Hybrid Soldier2019-11-22 22:39:44
I won't go further cause it's not exactly the place, but I won't say you're wrong either... :P


Scorefan2019-11-23 00:16:23
@Hybrid, do you think the SnyderCut will release soon?


Hybrid Soldier2019-11-23 00:21:24
I wish !

I have zero info, just following what's happening on social networks like everybody else...

If you asked me last week about it, I'd have told you "Sure, it will happen... in 20 years maybe, but it will happen..."

Now it seems it might be sooner than that... :)


HunterTech2019-11-23 08:45:30
I want the Snyder Cut to release, just so people can finally leave Elfman alone, as I think it's a very likable score when removed of this whole mess (and probably my favorite thing Zanelli has worked on so far).

I actually thought Tyler's original AoU score was his best Marvel work, though basically leaving out Silvestri's theme wasn't the best choice. The final cut of the film didn't do him and Elfman any justice.


Edmund Meinerts2019-11-23 13:07:35
Defending Elfman on HZ.com, HunterTech? You're a brave one...


mpolonest123 2019-11-23 13:23:05
Iím with Hunter on this one. Do I think Elfmanís score is appropriate for the universe they had set up and the style Zack was going for? Not in the slightest. Do I think itís a fun standalone score with some catchy themes and good action writing? Yeah, I definitely do.

And this coming from a guy whoís been burned out by Elfman in the past decade (Wolfman, Terminator, and Alice notwithstanding)


Hybrid Soldier2019-11-23 13:24:18
Love Danny.

But his Josstice League score is just wrong, and the old Superman / Batman quotes are poorly used and laughable on screen. He's part of that debacle too. He's a key member of Whedon's destruction team.

"Elfman had its chance", 30 years ago, it was perfect then, because it was his Batman universe.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-23 13:51:02
I wish if we have a listen of what Tom write for the movie. As for Elfman's score, is wrong for the movie, but for a standalone listen, is good.


superultramegaa2019-11-23 19:12:27
Well, considering how much of a confused, unfunny, tonal mess this movie is, I don't think there is a way Danny or Tom could have scored the final cut to make it fit perfectly.

Joss tried to lighten the movie up tonally and make it more adventurous and quippy instead of brooding and dark, so it makes sense to use the older, more heroic themes for Superman and Batman. Just because Elfman had a shit canvas to paint on (so to speak), doesn't mean his score fits terribly.


Hybrid Soldier2019-11-23 19:41:51
Whedon tried nothing more than making a huge pile of shit of this movie, and he succeeded.

I'm glad Junkie was let go and didn't have to work for 1 minute on Josstice League.


#ReleaseTheSnyderCut


superultramegaa2019-11-24 17:49:27
I agree Joss made the film worse, but I don't think Snyder's Cut is much better. This is a studio monster. The studio wanted a lighter film than BvS.

So similarly to Suicide Squad, we would have gotten a semi-dark film with lame, failing, awkward jokes, and underdeveloped characters who we rush through to meet (much like the final cut), as they had no previous intro to the universe.

The only difference is we'd have the pretentious, self-important dialogue, and Superman = Jesus symbolism we got from Man of Steel and BvS, along with Batman making lame jokes instead of being brooding (that shit was in the 1st trailer too before Snyder's replacement).


Hybrid Soldier2019-11-24 19:01:23
So you made it clear you don't get much of Snyder's cinema.

And you're judging a film you haven't seen... Nice ! Josstice League is a studio monster. Suicide Squad was (they screwed David Ayer, who's an amazing director).

MOS & BVS are great superhero movies, I wanna see the sequel to that. We got robbed. Thankfully, it was mostly finished before they fucked it up. Richard Donner didn't have this chance and had no choice but use some of the terrible Lester takes.


superultramegaa2019-11-24 22:27:17
No, I get Snyder's cinema. There's nothing to get, and that's not me saying there's no meaning in his films. There's nothing to get because Snyder and his screen writers tell you what the meaning of the films are.

Whether it's through Lois, Lex, Batman, Wonder Woman, etc, the characters are literally saying the meaning of the film and what each event in the movie means or symbolizes. I get why the jar of piss said "granny's peach tea" in Congress in BvS, believe me.

Don't immediately shut my arguments down as being unintelligent or "not getting" films just because I don't share your love of Snyder's cinema, Hybrid. That is so beneath you. I'm judging what the Snyder Cut is probably like based on the previous films, particularly Suicide Squad.

If you didn't like Suicide Squad, you probably won't like the Snyder Cut since the studio probably wanted similar changes.


Hybrid Soldier2019-11-24 22:58:53
The studio killed Suicide Squad AND Justice League. That's exactly why we want a Snyder Cut.


Oh and Junkie wrote a whole score for Suicide Squad, btw. As a back-up. Price's score got better test screenings... Would be interesting to hear !


mpolonest123 2019-11-25 01:06:20
@Hybrid
Wait what!?!? :O

Did he record the entire score? So not only do we have one but two unreleased Junkie scores now. Omg


tilibro2019-11-25 03:00:59
All this corporate backstabbing and executive meddling with Justice League is even worse than Superman's upper lip.


Bill Koufo2019-11-25 11:18:46
Well, the fact is that even the Snyder Cut isn't exactly the movie that Zack originally intented. After the BvS backlash they even forced Snyder and Terrio to make some changes on the script, so the tone of Justice League was a bit spoiled from the beginning.

I think there was a scene where Darkseid kills Lois inside the Batcave and this was what drove Superman crazy against Batman ("She was my world and you took her from me"). And WB didn't even allow this scene to be shot.

However, the Snyder Cut would be at least more consistent with the previous movies and as a movie itself.

#ReleasetheSnydercut


Scorefan2019-11-25 16:10:26
@Hybrid. The most iconic superheroes of all time are from DC: Superman (movies and TV series, Batman (movie and TV Series) even Wonder Woman series in the 80's. Marvel welcome aboard with Raimi's Spiderman trilogy. Marvel began with Iron Man which for me is the beast movie in the entire MCU along with The Incredible Hulk. The tone of that movies are correct with no oversatured jokes. In fact those MCU superheroes began to show throw the movies, because people didn't know much about them. Disney and Marvel began to make a lot of money since Iron Man 2 and know they became so popular.
WB saw the potential (a lot of money) so they started their own universe. The contacted Nolan and he recommended Snyder. Snyder showed a complete DC universe to WB and he began with MOS. What was the problem? WB thought MOS did not do much money along with all the bad reviews with all those "critics" and starteg to get interference in the next movies. Remember when Snyder shows in a comic con all the movies in the DCEU?. Snyder shows superheroes in a realistic tone, serious, no oversatured jokes, the visuals are awesome. Many people complain about the "Martha line", but nobody is complain about the "Bucky is alive line". Many people said when Captain America The winter Soldier showed in theaters "Snyder, that's how you make a great superhero film". A bad joke.
I donk't know if this is importance but Disney and Marvel has one person in charge of every movie: Kevin Feige. WB and DC don't have a person like Kevin Feige, so WB got into every movie after MOS. Just to show how different are bot universe: The funeral of Superman was able to every people. The funeral of Iron man was able only to their universe.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-26 12:48:27
'WB thought MOS did not do much money along with all the bad reviews with all those "critics" and starteg to get interference in the next movies. Remember when Snyder shows in a comic con all the movies in the DCEU?'

Snyder dosen't show any movie, in July of 2013, the only movie annunced was BvS


Collector2019-11-27 09:37:30
@Hybrid Its so nice to read your thoughts on Snyders cinema and support of the Snyder Cut. Cant imagine anyone saying it better and Im really glad you are sharing the same thoughts as most of us.

Fingers crossed it will happen and we will finally hear Junkies score too!

For Zack! :)

#ReleaseTheSnyderCut


Ds2019-11-27 23:25:40
Clearly the most wonderful thing would have been to get the whole Snyder vision, with Justice League Part 1 having Superman resurrected on the wrong side, and Part 2 ending with Batman's death. Plus lots of exciting and bold ideas.
But Snyder didn't shoot that because of WB's panic. So this Snyder cut was already a truncated, hybrid thing. However, I'm absolutely positive it was miles better than what Whedon did with it. There's a fanmade cut floating around, with less Whedon jokes, snippets from MoS added as flashbacks and the whole score replaced by HZ/JXL tracks from MoS, BvS, King Arthur, Mad Max, etc. These changes alone made the movie significantly better, especially some action scenes which still had plenty of Snyder material. It's tragic how Elfman's score and Whedon's reshoots removed any kind of suspense of excitement from that movie.

On another topic, I find it surprising to read that Suicide Squad tested better with Steven Price's score. I wonder how test audiences even managed to distinguish a score in that movie - undermixed and polluted by songs.

Eobard reply Replies: 17 || 2019-11-18 02:15:51
Something is coming, Junkie XL aka Tom just posted this
https://twitter.com/Junkie_XL/status/1196111682398867456
#ReleaseTheSnyderCut


tilibro2019-11-18 09:30:52
Gal and Ben also announced their support for the Snyder Cut!


Anonymous2019-11-18 14:18:37
Even Snyder himself just tweeted it.

I bet the score of this version would be way better because Junkie/Zimmer worked on Batman, Man Of Steel and the Wonder Woman theme

What Elfman did was terrible butchering and ignoring all the themes and tonality of all the previous hero scores.


Ahmad2019-11-18 14:57:14
LOL! The only thing thatís coming is his brass library which he has been working on for quite some time.


Xavi2019-11-18 19:26:11
"LOL" Relax, Ahmad.

People are working really hard to release the movie and with it will come Junkie's score too.



MrZimmerFan2019-11-18 19:57:23
In a year, like Enos says


Ahmad2019-11-18 22:19:05
@Xavi I know. I also want the Snyderís cut and JXLís score to be released, but setting up expectations about the score when itís clear that Tomís post has nothing to do it is just kinda unnecessary.


Eobard2019-11-18 22:30:38
@Ahmad well my bad! I didn't know about this. It was just his post came at a time like this so...
Sorry guys.


Hybrid Soldier2019-11-18 22:47:32
Well for sure it became the worst timing ever for Tom...


He must be watching twitter sweating right now lol. Totally cornered...


Ahmad2019-11-19 01:33:18
donít worry about it @Eobard
With the timing, I wouldíve thought the same if I didnít already know about the brass library :)


Omar2019-11-21 01:49:43
Tom's score for Justice League was basically a mix of Mad Max and Deadpool. Zack wanted to go with a different approach for the score and make it more "fun" than serious. He didn't want a Zimmer sound for the movie.


Knight2019-11-21 10:05:29
Citation needed


Ds2019-11-21 11:47:20
Omar: Well tried, but Junkie XL was replaced after Snyder was fired and Whedon came in.
And just in case Snyder actually wanted another sound, he would just have told Junkie at the beginning instead of firing him after he departed himself :-p


Ahmad2019-11-22 00:57:44
@Ds Omar is saying that this was the direction Tom went with / what the score sounded like not that he was fired because he didnít deliver the sound heís known for :)
Of course he was replaced after Snyder left the project.

And yeah citation is needed.


Junk is XL2019-11-22 14:45:33
Did Holkenborg finish his score and have time to record it? Is there an actual score? It seems to me he got jettisoned early in the process when Whedon came on board. It would be surprising if he had time to record an actual score with players and an orchestra.


Ahmad2019-11-23 01:55:53
He said in a recent interview that the score exists ďfull tracksĒ. Who knows how much of it was ready considering he probably left the project before the cut was finalized - so probably nothing was recorded. But knowing how Tom likes to do things and judging by his studio time videos, he can do amazing things with samples. And if it contains lots of sound design then it wouldnít be far from the final product.


Omar2019-11-25 22:40:03
@Ds & Ahmad. Yeah like Ahmad is saying, the direction Tom took was the direction Snyder wanted, he wasn't "fired" because of his sound. I'm sure Whedon just wanted to work with Elfman because of their past collaborations and comfort. My only source is I used to intern for him during that period of time and Tom showed me a a few parts of the score he was working on (that I mentioned resembled Mad Max and Deadpool) and it was awesome!


Omar2019-11-25 22:51:29
@Junk is XL. Tom finished the score but didn't have the chance to record it

Mr.Unbreakable reply Replies: 0 || 2019-03-29 22:57:16
The cut's Snyder exists !!! Snyder himself has confirmed it. The movie has a duration of 3:40 hours. it's finished and you just need some effects retouching and you have the movie in your possession although it depends on the Warner executives.

MG reply Replies: 0 || 2019-03-28 17:26:31
Two new Shazam! tracks released this morning. What does everyone think of those

Hari Haran reply Replies: 0 || 2019-03-28 11:27:28
Nope, this score is still absolute garbage trash.



mpolonest123 reply Replies: 4 || 2019-03-26 15:00:24
Snyder confirmed that his cut of the film is essentially done, itís just up to WB to release it.


Scorefan2019-03-26 22:21:48
I don't think WB release the Snyder Cut, because with the new way they take, it could affect the new movies.
But, i would like to see the Snyder cut


mpolonest123 2019-03-27 01:05:59
I could see it getting some kind of release down the line, itís not uncommon for Directors Cuts to pop up years after a film has left theaters. What I donít see is them shelling out money to finish/add effects or whatever other touch ups may be needed.

My personal hope is that (somehow) they get Junkie involved to finish whatever score he started, just to hear his take.


MrZimmerFan2019-03-27 11:02:55
'I don't think WB release the Snyder Cut, because with the new way they take, it could affect the new movies.'

The Snyder Cut was a toned down version of the ORIGINAL version (drafted between Snyder and Terrio before BvS release in threaters and was very dark, and adresses the Knitghmare vision of Bruce), but the studio wanted something more lighthearted and fun, Snyder says the original concept was still in the Snyder Cut.

Totally, there are three versions of the same movie: the unmade, the Snyder Cut and WB cut


MrZimmerFan2019-03-27 11:06:57
And wasn't affect the new movies, because Aquaman is same character was intended by Snyder (Wan work with him in that aspect, and the movie happens after the JL events and begins with a element of the Snyder Cut, with Arthur going to save a russian submarine) and Shazam, well the movie tells other story with an another character, but BvS happen.

About the James Gunn's Suicide Squad, well see.

tilibro reply Replies: 0 || 2018-10-11 05:47:46
Has it been confirmed whether or not Tom finished writing/recording any theme sketches or demos before he was replaced? If there were, it would be interesting to hear them.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2018-07-11 01:26:00
The complete score is out there iwth Wonder Woman Complete Score

David reply Replies: 2 || 2018-07-04 18:06:30
Hi every body. Any news about the composers of future DCEU films like shazam or green lanturn corps ? Is there any rumeors who will compose them ?
I truely like hans zimmer move on from DCEU to MCU and compose the captain marvel.


dirty_score2018-07-04 19:46:08
Pinar Toprak is scoring Captain Marvel. Hans Zimmer is with X-Men which is not in the MCU, yet.

Benjamin Wallfisch might be the one for Shazam since he worked with the director in the last 2 movies..


Mephariel2018-07-05 16:37:44
I am ok with Zimmer or Powell anchoring the X-Men franchise. But yeah, Zimmer needs to get as far from DCEU as possible unless he is asked to score for future WW movies or Man of Steel movies.

dark knight reply Replies: 12 || 2018-02-21 12:10:24
I really hated this score for not using Clark's theme from MOS but this particular track "Home" is really growing on me. Still nothing tops Zimmer's magnificent theme


Michael2018-02-21 13:49:20
I really hated the entire thing. Everything about it. Fuck WB, fuck Whedon, fuck Elfman.


mpolonest1232018-02-21 14:19:57
I couldnít agree more. In context ďHomeĒ is really out of place, especially when there is already an established theme for Clark. On its own itís not bad at all.

Thatís how this score overall is. On its own itís actually a pretty damn good superhero score, with a good balance of themes and solid action writing. In context of the film and the DCEU in general, itís such a departure from the prior themes/style that was established.


meta2018-02-21 14:24:30
cmon bro whaddaya expect? these dc people blew their wad with the Dark Knight and Nolan leaving, so they tried to keep it dark by employing GameBoy enthusiast Snyder who turned it into a farce. Zimmer wiping his ass with this was another nail in the coffin.

By this point with the whole gritty dark theme being an overplayed hand, the merging of these Superheroes took WB to the only one place they probably could still dig out some hope to salvage it - by mining the Batman and Superman cartoon series, hiring Whedon to punch it up a bit, and getting Elfman back to bring back the nostalgia (Im guessing Shirley Walker would have been the first person they call, but obviously she is deceased RIP).

Didn't work for many reasons, but whatever...I dont say FUCK EM....Not necessary.


mpolonest123 2018-02-21 14:32:50
@meta
And maybe the film was already a mess before Whedon came in too. Unless people know the whole story no one can point fingers. This is why hardcore fanboys bother me. They get so worked up over things that really arenít that big a deal. I understand not liking the film as is (and there are some truly bad moments there) but why start making assumptions before you know the full story?


Ian2018-02-21 21:34:54
@meta

I think Elfman is a phenomenally talented composer, and I agree with "the whole gritty dark theme being an overplayed hand", but nonetheless Hans's theme for Superman really, really works within the MoS universe. So yeah, dumping it didn't make any sense, IMO


meta2018-02-22 14:22:27
well i also think theres a little revenge at play with Elfman and Zimmer (Zimmer's dismissive insult to Elfman years ago about his music), which may explain why Elfman decided not to use Zimmer's music (outside of Wonder Woman, which was probably coerced by WB to include, albeit VERY briefly). I mean, if I was in Elfman's shoes I certainly wouldn't wanna use Zimmer's stuff after insulting my work.


Edmund Meinerts2018-02-22 14:32:07
These guys are pros and veterans, I HIGHLY doubt there's anything so petty going on.


Balfe2018-02-22 14:40:28
Well, they had to deal with JUNK xl as the opposite. Anything will probably sound more professional and appropriate after that nonsense this 'composer' would have analized. And to be fair, all of you critiquing the Snyder style forget that a big part of that style was the nonsense crap that Zimmer 'invented' for the genre.

Yes, Man of Steel is not bad and has some great moments of ingenuity especially when they are not destroyed by Balfe's banal inability to be creative. And Hans' work on the Nolan Batman trilogy is very stellar, but mostly when it references his other styles - the grabling nonsense of the Bane music not so much.

But remember that Snyder had Tyler Bates as his house composer until he sold out to Warner Brothers' demands for Zimmer.....

Interestingly, Tyler Bates is nowadays one of the most promising composers out there with his work on Guardians of the Galaxy and the John Wick franchise.

While exciting work is done by Bates and Goransson, Zimmer experiments with sound design like he is Gil Melle out of an atonal postmodernist movement that passed out of style forty years ago, sounding like an old man being cool (if you don't get the reference, don't worry, you are ignorant....).



Hybrid Soldier2018-02-22 18:50:36
Meta your comment is based on smoke...


Do you have any idea of what Hans & Elfman's relation is ? How many scores Danny mixed at Remote Control ? That when Hans was writing Batman Begins, Danny was in the next room and Hans invited him to check what he was doing ? How many people from RCP Elfman recruited to help him ?


Meta2018-02-23 02:14:13
Actually Hybrid my comment is based on their separate interviews years apart. Zimmer's arguably dismissive comment years ago and Elfman's arguably stern remark about his theme being the only Batman theme, of recent note.

If they are both good friends who go to each other's barbecues on Sundays and drink beer together, more power to them. If they have a stellar working relationship, well, I obviously am not privy to that, but good on them. However based on what I've heard my impressions don't lean towards the latter.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.




Mike (OTM)2018-02-23 04:39:37
Hybrid, what did Danny think of what Hans was doing? Since he tries to claim that no Batman composer after him wrote a "theme"...


Snoke2018-06-06 01:48:33
The DCEU scores basically became like the MCU scores. Few uses of old themes but completely new. Like the Avengers theme is recurring but is their a distinctive theme for Iron man in the MCU? No. Whatís Supermanís theme in the DCEU now Williams or Zimmer. Elfman should have just compiled the two. Iíve listened to videos of people combining the MOS and Williams Superman and it is not st beautiful.

Junkie XL reply Replies: 1 || 2018-02-26 14:51:10
Hi Guys,

I am sorry to fail you guys. I tried out some Hollandic beats. Hans master told me to make it more real, more serious. For me, serious means hard core. Hard core means more pump. Sexy pump that makes my bold spot shine. I like samples from the 90s. They make me shit-snatch. My term, don't use it.

So, I made a groove for the team. It sounded like the car squel from the Dutch show Salamander. This is my main theme. In a Junkie World, you will listen to my groans as I navigate Amsterdam. Mad Max - fuck you, Slag X. That is me.



Snoke2018-06-06 01:44:43
Iím calling BS

Danny Elfman reply Replies: 24 || 2018-02-23 14:51:42
At the end of the day, the Zimmer style for Batman is now done. It had its ten years of glory but now sounds like bad advertising music as all of Hans' music tends to do after its cycle runs out.

Junkie does not have the skills to come up with a new style nor do any of the lackies Hans employs currently.

Good at doing additional, terrible at anything original.

Think back to the days of Powell etc and now we have Krazcynski. Fuck.

The Hans factory is dying finally. This is a positive thing for film art as Balfe was the epitomy of a drone/clone composer and now the industry is catching up.

They can get either a computer/Balfe to do the same thing or find someone who has actual skills and talent.

Maybe we can finally get some real composition here.


Mike (OTM)2018-02-23 21:59:33
Oh, hey, Balfe turned into Danny Elfman, guys!

That being said, I agree with some of the above points.


MrZimmerFan2018-02-23 22:03:18
Can somebody erase the troll?


Meta2018-02-24 12:00:24
Honestly, I do feel bad for Elfman, because for Chrissakes hes been doing 50 Shades of Grey these days, and the last memorable scores I have of him are from 2012. But I don't think Zimmer or even Elfman for that matter are done as yet. I predict by the end of this decade Zimmer will have a new wave in popularity wash in. I'm just waiting for Elfman's wave right now...not quite seeing it yet.


Olive2018-02-24 17:52:31
Yeah, Silvestri, Newman, Goldenthal and JNH too. The six most popular "new" composers, along with Horner, of the 80's and 90's.


Olive2018-02-24 17:53:31
Seven with Zimmer


Ahmad2018-02-24 22:29:35
Yeah... I'm not sure about Elfman's wave. The guy decided to bring back his old Batman theme instead of actually writing a new one. He has to re-invent himself.


Olive2018-02-25 01:37:48
It was a missed opportunity.


Meta2018-02-25 03:31:13
I agree. His Justice League theme is just a deconstruct of his Batman theme. Clever, yeah sure - he's done similar things with the Men In Black sequels and I'm sure there's others I can't think of right now - but I personally dont consider Elfman's involvement in this new DCEU to be very welcome. Zimmer paints a different canvas than Elfman, and I love both their works.


Ian2018-02-25 05:27:28
I think it's worth noting that Zimmer's popularity at this point is largely under his direct control - meaning that if he were to decide to stop touring, go back to writing full-time, and return to his 'epic' thematic style, I think we'd see a surge in his popularity of the sort we saw from Batman Begins through til Interstellar. However, I just don't think he's interested, which is totally his right.

I certainly agree that the RCP proteges at this point are, frankly, shit compared to how they used to be. I mean, even a guy like Steve Mazzaro (who I genuinely like and who wrote some of the coolest cues in Chappie, and basically co-wrote BvS - a score I actually like) just utterly pales in comparison to the Powell era.

Actually, I have to take that back a bit; Wallfisch is a very, very talented guy, honestly so much better than someone like Junkie that I weirdly tend to forget he's under the RCP roof now.


Edmund Meinerts2018-02-25 10:27:13
Wallfisch is a good composer indeed, but BR2049 (and Dunkirk) were absolutely the wrong place for him. He's not a synth guy. He was originally a protege of Dario Marianelli, for heaven's sake - he's got a far more classical/orchestral sensibility. A score like Cure for Wellness is a much better fit for him. I'm not sure why Hans thought it was best to bring him of all people in on BR2049 when the more electronically-inclined Mazzaro/Kawczynski duo would have made more sense for a Blade Runner score (I say this based mostly on Chappie).


Miguel2018-02-25 11:58:25
It would be good to see Kawczynski doing more.Chappie was excellent


Olive2018-02-25 22:20:09
Yeah, Mazzaro and AK would be more interesting choices, even Balfe.

Maybe Zimmer has more confidence in Wallfisch? He delivered Verbinsky's "Cure" gratuitously for him and then tied him up on two of his major projects last year.

When I refer to security, I talk about the "assurance of delivering a good job".


Ian2018-02-26 09:27:23
1000000% agreed that Wallfisch was the wrong choice for Blade Runner; I'd have been genuinely to hear a Zimmer/Mazzaro collaboration (Andrew K.'s stuff tends to be extremely grating, IMO), but they were both on tour last year, which might explain Wallfisch's involvement.

Now that I think about it, if Hans and Steve were on tour, and Wallfisch and Lorne were working on Dunkirk and BR2049, where was Kawczynski?


Ian2018-02-26 09:28:00
*genuinely curious


Medigo2018-02-26 10:22:26
Considering IT. I dont see Benjamin as a bad choice for synthetic music myself.


Edmund Meinerts2018-02-26 10:25:51
Kawczynski did work on Wonder Woman last summer...as well as Mark Mothersbaugh's Thor Ragnarok, strangely enough.


JBSO992018-02-26 10:37:51
About Wallfisch, I agree with Medigo. IT had several cues with synths and those were great. And BR2049 was also great and I think a big part of the score was created by him and maybe Zimmer helped with the overall sound or with the themes.

That being said, I prefer Wallfisch doing orchestral tracks like A Cure For Wellness that in my opinion is one of the best scores of RCP from the previous year.


rockhound2018-02-26 10:44:58
the funny thing with BR2049 is, that they hired someone, who couldn't deliver what the filmmakers wanted. then they hired someone, who had no time to do the movie, so they had to hire a third guy, who was also at the end the wrong guy for that project, because the music added nothing to the movie, just in a very few moments. the music was loud, but didn't create atmosphere. the music was just there. the one theme, that sounded a bit like the the theme from The Fan was pretty nice and also effective, but that was all....sadly.


Hybrid Soldier2018-02-26 11:38:35
Because Kawczynski had 2 solo films (one being one of my fav' action scores of 2017) to score.


Medigo2018-02-26 12:43:18
I'd say the music added a lot to the movie myself
But then I dont know why we're talking about BR2049 here


Ahmad2018-02-26 15:45:05
LOL what? Nonsense. The "not a synth guy" wrote the bulk and the heart of the whole score, the horse theme. It is featured in so many cues (2049, Sapper's Tree, Someone Lived This, Sea Wall, etc...). It is one of the most beautiful themes ever written. I've been listening to those tracks since October non stop. Don't think they could've done a better job. It's perfect.
As much as I love the movie, I don't think it would've had the same impact on me if it had been scored differently.

Wallfisch's contribution to Dunkirk was also great.



Edmund Meinerts2018-02-26 16:10:24
Wallfisch's contribution to Dunkirk was playing Elgar's Enigma on a 30-year-old keyboard.


,2018-03-10 00:35:57
Yeah I sometimes think Hans can be over-generous with the crediting/praise for others.


Snoke2018-06-06 01:41:19
Elfman,Zimmer,and other Composers styles may be dying but John Williams is still going strong. Always hop on the Williams train.

jewen reply Replies: 4 || 2018-03-26 20:39:14
Hybrid Soldier, Do you know if Junkie XL could finish his work on Justice League?
I other words...
Can we believe that there is a rejected score in some HDD of some computer in the planet earth?

Thanks.


Hybrid Soldier2018-03-26 20:58:58
I'm sure he was far in the process, and wrote a lot of cues already. Probably at the stage of mock-ups though, I doubt anything was recorded...


mpolonest123 2018-03-26 21:11:53
Apparently he did actually compose a good chunk, although itís a big possibility that it was just score demos for the completed scenes. So yeah, there is a good chance that they are on his hard drive.


Bondo2018-03-26 21:41:31
Fingers are crossed that WB and DC realizes the terrible mistake they made in replacing Snyder/JunkieXL with Whedon/Elfman, and uses some of their DVD and Bluray sales to fund a Snyder cut. What's interesting is that Snyder has been leaking images from his deleted scenes on Vero, and there has been no reprisal from WB over ownership...


jewen2018-03-26 23:06:24
Thanks a lot for response. I know that now is the promotinal campaig for the dvd/bluray...but sooner than later I strongly believe that WB will make an anunce. It is possible that they says we'll never see the original cut/work from Snyder and Co. or maybe they listen to the fandom and release what thousands of people are claiming more and more.
And the same to Tom Holkenborg's work to this movie.
Hope Never Dies.

Micah reply Replies: 1 || 2018-03-09 20:07:25
Junkie: "Just one week until my Tomb Raider - 2018 score is released!

Along with something else... stay tuned. ;)"

PLEASE tell me this is happening!


MrZimmerFan2018-03-09 20:23:17
Nop, is one of his very interesting Studio Time

Jose Damian reply Replies: 0 || 2018-02-28 11:56:41

How it seems that Hans does not have many short-term projects, and it seems that snyder's cut will come out, it is possible that he is collaborating in the development of music together with junkie, since we have him back to the world of superheroes ?

Booby reply Replies: 0 || 2018-02-26 16:05:58
I hope I am done in the film industry. I went too Moroder, and no one goes too Moroder.

My buddies are administrators. They put the notes where they are meant to be. None of my good time artists are here as they left. I wonder why.


Steve R reply Replies: 0 || 2018-02-20 19:18:30
where is the Zanelli/Lindgren music in the movie??

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 2 || 2018-02-20 14:28:37
Can someone please answer this for me; why would the studio be opposed to Junkie putting this music out there in promo form? Or any rejected score for that matter. It seems strange that they wouldnít want music released that isnít going to be used anyways. Just curious.


Edmund Meinerts2018-02-20 14:50:08
It's a good question. I guess you might also say why does it matter if you get a bootleg of a complete score, so long as you also legally own the album you're not really "stealing" anything because it's not available to buy in the first place. But that's not how the law works. JXL wrote that music under contract and Warner can do whatever they want with it, including but not limited to locking it in a vault until the end of time.

Does it make sense? No. But studios are weird about their property, and there's not much we can do.


mpolonest123 2018-02-20 15:08:34
That does make sense. I can definitely understand them being wary about recording sessions, considering that is still a part of the film. But if JXL went to them and asked if he could put out the music, I wonder if they would be against that. Very strange if so....

... reply Replies: 1 || 2018-02-10 20:25:08
So apparently Junkie DID in fact write a sketchbook for the film, along with demoing up a big part of it. The question is, how much did he actually get to write for?


Anonymous2018-02-10 20:40:11
Source

dirty_score reply Replies: 0 || 2017-12-23 16:29:05
I can't be the only one to have noticed that Cyborg's theme is the same as Terminator Salvation. Another movie in which Elfman ditched the iconic and classic theme to write his very own.

jewen reply Replies: 5 || 2017-11-24 00:26:41
HOPE NEVER DIES.

Sources confirm this days on social media that Zack Snyder Original Cut of Justice League not only exists, but have VFX's work and Junkie XL's score on it.

That could be really EPIC.

The Fight for this can happens is bigger every minute passes, dont lose the faith, not now.


Leonard Dante2017-11-24 01:54:26
Perhaps. But it would be a disrespect to Whedon and Elfman. Okay. If that means more money on the table, they will.


cody2017-11-24 03:59:39
imo whedon and elfman screwed up the movie, i'd say Zacks original cut would be better, then again thats just me tho


scarecrow92017-11-24 06:15:30
Hybrid, do you think that the Snyderīs Cut could really exist somewhere? Let alone with Tomīs score, do you think that he even began scoring the film? I would love to see that version. Thank you for your answer


Solomon2017-11-24 11:21:50
@scarecrow9: Wikipedia says that filming originally wrapped in October 2016, and that Zack was taken off the project in May 2017. That's at least 6 months of post-production, so hopefully yes.
@Leonard Dante: You don't think it's disrespect to Snyder that the film bears his name but Whedon cut it up and redid his story with terrible reshoots and replaced his nominated composer?

Lastly, I will say that I watched the film earlier today and thought it was absolutely terrible. The best part was the few seconds where Zimmer's "Krypton" theme was playing in the scoutship!


GR72017-11-24 16:43:52
Exactly Solomon !
THe use of the krypton theme in the spaceship scene made this moment more intense and it felt... natural... as if the rest of the music doesnt blend in the atmosphere we were used to with the previous movies.

Rigby reply Replies: 15 || 2017-11-21 03:10:40
Seeing as how Lorne Balfe ďleakedĒ his own score, I wonder if Tom could easily do the same?


Kingfannypack2017-11-21 05:09:44
Which score would that be?


Everan2017-11-21 05:30:54
Ghost in a thing that doesn't have life but does


Ahmad2017-11-21 07:39:41
GITS was unreleased, JXL's JL score was completely rejected. The real qustion is how many rejected scores have leaked in the history of modern film scoring?


Edmund Meinerts2017-11-21 14:42:04
Gabriel Yared leaked his Troy back in 2004 but I think he got in quite a lot of trouble for that. There's a reason he hasn't done too many high profile films since then, I think. A few rejecteds have slipped out over the years but it's pretty unheard of for the composer himself to be the one to leak it I think, that would be career suicide if they got caught. Usually they come out the same way complete scores do, some anonymous person working on the scoring team probably did it.


Ahmad2017-11-21 15:00:36
There you go. So we probably will never get to hear what Tom planned/did for this movie. I really believe that it would've been great compared to the generic score we got.
Only two tracks stood out to me and only one was an actual cue from the movie.


Olive2017-11-21 15:47:57
The studio is the music owner now.


Edmund Meinerts2017-11-21 15:54:50
I certainly understand the criticisms leveled at Elfman's JL score, but I'm not at all convinced Junkie would have been a better option. I've never been too convinced by him anyway (Mad Max was a situation where his sound happened to be a good fit, but even then I think a better composer could have made much more out of the same ingredients). And since anything worthwhile in the previous two (and yeah, I'm aware I like MoS and BvS waaaaaaaay less than the average reader of this site) ended up being by Hans anyway, I really doubt Junkie flying solo would have been up to much. My guess is he would have pulled out stock, barely-altered reprises of Zimmer's themes all over the place without adding much new material on his own, which would have satisfied the DC fans more than what Elfman did, sure, but would have been a lot less interesting as a score album. I mean, say what you want about the questionable thematic decisions Elfman made, the two gigantic full-length action cues are pretty solid in and of themselves. I'll take that over Junkie letting the drums pound for eleven minutes straight, any day of the week.


Gotham Rogue2017-11-21 17:58:50
Edmund, I somewhat agree - I've seen very little from Junkie to make me think this would have been a groundbreaking, wonderful score. However, maybe it's the Zimmer fan in me, but I would have loved to hear "stock, barely-altered reprises of Zimmer's themes all over the place" in this score. So many scenes begged for just that. Compositionally it doesn't make for an interesting soundtrack or film score, I agree, but I would be willing to sacrifice that for thematic continuity.


mpolonest123 2017-11-21 18:22:52
@Edmund
Given the chance I think Junkie probably could deliver a pretty fun score that stayed thematically consistent with the current universe. It all depends on what the studio/director wants out of the music. The biggest disappointment to me is that this was a huge missed opportunity to do a heroic take on Zimmerís Superman theme, something we havenít heard since MoS. Hell, even the trailers did that.... -_-


Olive2017-11-22 04:03:34
The score reflects the situation of DC movies very well. If Zimmer, like Snyder, continued, the result may not please everyone. A lot of people were unhappy with Snyder's work in the genre, just as many fans of soundtrack were with Zimmer's contributions that never followed the path taken by all the other composers who came before him.

The two left (regardless of the reason that led them to do this).

When Zimmer left everyone knew that XL would not hold the pressure or that the result would not be satisfactory for most.

When Elfman and Whedon were announced we all knew that they were hired to go against everything DC has done before to try to reach the first film of the franchise to reach 1 billion. Even if they were to follow Marvel's script and drop their originality.

But the hiring of Elfman and Whedon shows that the studio was long lost. Snyder succumbed to BvS. The only salvation for the DCEU are the solo films like Wonder Woman, the next Batman, Aquaman ...and freedom. Freedom for the directors, composers... Warner has always had this advantage over Marvel.


meta2017-11-22 13:05:54
Honestly, the purpose of RCP is essentially to take Zimmer's style and make it widespread for use...WB not using ANY RCP to score this seems to have been deliberate, as there's literally no reason it couldn't be done.


James2017-11-22 13:53:55
I agree that Elfman's theme fits into Nolan's films as long as they are adapted to them. However, I think the way things have gone was not bad. TDK trilogy was marked as a project fruit of Nolan's unique vision. Although the themes do not respect the orchestral tradition are more memorable than those composed for more than half of the films of heroes of the last 25 years.Zimmer's entry into the genre can be interpreted as a breath of fresh air in a saturated marketplace at the time. But I agree that the lack of originality these days falls on Zimmer and his company and that the goal of it goes far beyond bringing talents to light.Now we need something new, again.


MrZimmerFan2017-11-22 14:51:53
@Olive: Rumors says Zimmer didn't want compose Justice League because of Snyder, and left behind Junkie


James2017-11-22 14:56:29
Were the two men no longer talking or did Zimmer anticipate Snyder's departure as he did in Pirates?


Iamtommie2017-11-22 16:23:45
I heard and thought that Zimmer stopt scoring superhero movies (including Justice League and what comes after) because it has taken 13 years of his life and he wanted to do something else

Scorefan reply Replies: 11 || 2017-11-16 04:46:02
h t t p s : //www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4jbBeshH3s


GR72017-11-16 17:17:26
Elfman must have balls or be a damn old prick to speak like that about Zimmer music. How can someone can shit on someone else's job like that and state that his batman theme is and will be THE only batman music ever....


Olive2017-11-16 18:00:03
Old news...


Brent2017-11-16 18:01:11
Danny Elfman IS talented. That I have no doubt about. However, this has just solidified what a toolbag he is. Seriously, ONE theme? Are you freakin' kidding me? Not only is that disrespectful to Hans and James, but also to all the other countless composers out there that have worked on Batman related material the past 40 years or so. What an ignorant and blatant disrespectful statement to make.

I seriously hope he apologizes, or at the very least, clarifies his statements.


Olive2017-11-16 18:04:34
Apologies are desnecrssary thing in this case. Hans calls Elfman theme of "happy and jolly" in a interview of 2005.


Brent2017-11-16 18:08:31
Olive, the major difference between Zimmer's "happy and jolly" statement and this one by Elfman is that Zimmer backed it up by relating his comments to tone. The tone/structure of Elfman's theme wouldn't work within the universe Nolan created for TDK trilogy. Please tell me how Danny justifies using his theme from 1989, other than "it's the only true Batman theme".


Olive2017-11-16 19:56:43
Elfman may have taken these comments a little seriously and decided to hit back.


Edmund Meinerts2017-11-17 09:58:10
Except that Zimmer's "happy jolly" comment was completely off the mark. That's now how I'd describe the tone of Elfman's Batman theme at all. It's brooding and dark, but in more of an old-school Gothic orchestral kind of way that still allowed for some bursts of heroism. I still maintain the theme itself could have worked in Nolan's films, albeit with substantially changed orchestrations and tone (and doesn't Zimmer kinda-sorta quote it at 7:18 in "A Dark Knight" anyways?).


Iamtommie2017-11-21 11:08:47
I think what Elfman said is not true.
Batman has different themes for different movies because every Batman is different.

Michael Keaton as Batman: Elfman's Theme
Christian Bale as Batman: Hans' Theme
Ben Affleck as Batman: Hans & Junkie's Theme.
Of course much more but the most important.

Each one if dies Batman's have a different story and a different universe. I think that for each universe a new theme is the best thing you can do. With a different theme you can relate more to this Batman than a previous one.

By the way, I think TDK, MoS & WW are 3 of the top 10 themes by Zimmer. I think what Elfman did the WW theme is an abomination. He removed the key instrument in the theme because he thought it was childisch.

I think the Justce League score is way worse than previous DCEU or Batman movies. I hope that Lorne of Junkie will do future DCUE movies instead of Elfman.

(Seeing Justice League thursday. I am curious if it is really that bad as everyine says)


JBSO992017-11-21 12:08:18
@Iamtommie You forgot the theme by Elliot Goldenthal for Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, for not to mention the theme from the 60's TV show and all the themes for all the different animated motion pictures such as The Dark Knight Returns, Mask of the Phantasm, or the videogames like the Arkham series.

Batman's musical legacy is very big so him saying there is only one theme and his the one he created is really disrespectful to a big amount of composers.


iamtommie2017-11-21 13:09:51
@JBSO99 you're right. It's so big and widely spread.

And you're right about me forgetting those score. I just picked these three because Elfman critized Zimmer


Meta2017-11-21 14:22:58
and Zimmer criticized Elfman...back and forth, etc. So what? The movie is lame, the score is about as lame as Bat V Sup

JBSO99 reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-19 10:56:42
After watching the movie, I just have to say it was okay. It had some great moments but for me it had also many problems. And one of them was the music. For most of the part it wasn't even noticeable and when it was, it was like random background music with no really emotion or heart.

BvS and MoS movies can be criticized for some things but the score is not one of them. The movie gave the movie a strong and powerful side, as well as a heart and emotion into it. In this movie there were so many moments that needed different score.
***SPOILERS***
Superman's resurrection needed the MoS in full epic form. Wonder Woman at the bank at the beggining needed her theme with the electric cello in full power.
The Batman theme at the beginning when he is after that Parademon.
We should have a really memorable theme for the whole Justice League as well as for each individual member.
The scenes with Clark and Lois at the house in Kansas and when his mother sees him, this needed the piano theme from This Is Clark kent or something like that.
And that final moments with Superman opening his shirt showing the Superman logo and then flying to the sky, we needed something like "What Are You Going To Do When You're Not Saving The World?" or "Flight" and not that unmemorable music we got.

I really hope that the petition of the Extended Cut of the movie made by Zack with Junkie's music gets to be released someday, but for now, I'm disappointed.


James2017-11-19 23:36:38
Horner and many others with Star Trek is a good example too.


JBSO992017-11-20 18:06:50
@James I don't know what you are referring to exactly, but I think that Horner's score in Star Trek II is a great example of a follow up movie score within the same universe.
I think all of those movies use the Alexander Courage theme for the original series but they still have some original material of their own and that's what Elfman should have done if he wanted to use the old themes for Batman and Superman. He could have used those in some moments but also keeping some material from BvS and MoS and creating new themes for the new characters and the League.


James2017-11-20 18:47:40
They all respected the theme of Courage, but each new composer brought a different sub-theme to the franchise.


JBSO992017-11-21 11:54:53
Yeah, that's what I thought you meant. And that's what Elfman should have done if he wanted to use the old themes.

scarecrow9 reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-19 17:22:35
what do you gyus think about this?

www . youtube.com/watch?v=9riigqWjovM


Ahmad2017-11-19 20:39:49
"Don't believe everything you hear, son."


Olive2017-11-20 16:30:22
This is a kind of Chappie mixed with Arcade of MoS.

Kal reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-19 13:28:03
Anyone else think Hans knew about all the studio meddling during pre-production, the rewrites etc and walked away ? I mean, when I heard Elfman's score I thought it was generic and wouldn't fit the movie. Then I watched the movie and it fits well. The movie is just as bland as the music in the background.

ThomasFernandoMusic reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-19 07:10:44
Any ideas on the Chronological Order of the Tracks?
I made a start here...


Logos
Batman On The Roof
Everybody Knows - Titles
Wonder Woman Rescue

...
Icky Thump
Aquaman In Atlantis
...
1m1a Krypton (from Man Of Steel)
Spark Of The Flash
Friends And Foes
...
Come Together - Credits
Anti-Hero Theme - Credits

edsonrln reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-16 15:12:03
Are these "Full Length" tracks from the JL: Extended Edition?


Olive2017-11-16 18:01:23
Yep. The three last tracks.


ThomasFernandoMusic2017-11-19 07:03:03
No, they are the full score cues- as presented in the film. The presentation of the final three tracks on the first disc are edited down for timing.

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