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so glad to see HZ back to the superhero genreso great to watch this new interview. it confirmed how i felt about wonder woman and widows. it is the right thing to do.<br><br>Hans's comment on losing his voice took me by surprise though. dunkirk touched on a few techniques i wanted to see explored more. i know other composers did it before. but i think dunkirk did a better job at putting those elements together... hopefully there is be a similar movie in the near future : )Steve is clearly spending time with his family. He had a second child just a few months ago. I think he will eventually be back on the Bay Train. <br><br>And Lorne is the right choice for a "replacement". He's been involved in one way or another with the Bay movies for more than 10 years now. He's certainly not a surprising choice and I'm looking forward to the score. It's a movie that takes place all over the world, so I have big expectations for the music.Hans says he worked so hard to get WW1 to Rupert, but didn't he also recommend that they try a female composer?Balfe has constantly been brought in on Transformers movies , so great to see him working with Bay properly
Apparently weíre in the wrong country :( If I could afford it, Iíd travel just to experience this.Lorne is now listed on IMDB and Wiki as the composer of 'Six Underground'. Clearly Bay likes working with him. Good for Lorne.You're absolutely right. Play's over. Exit's that way. On your feet. Go!<br><br>Good knowing you.Steve is just trying to spend a little time with his family i think, he's not as busy as he used to be but i think it's cause he chooses that. Film Composing is an insanely time consuming job. I like Balfe a lot though.Huh. I like Jablosnky, but I really liked the 13 Hours score, so it's hard for me to complain.
Maybe, Bay thinks Balfe is better than Jablonsky in terms of military tones and music.Balfe is doing Michael Bays next movie !!! Whatís happened with Jablonsky?Review widows: It's also scored by Hans Zimmer, which means it is immediately in the running for best score of the year...Blah Blah Blah...<br><br>Play's over, Shakespeare.Meta is right though...
Hope it gets fixed, I love listening to the suites you add to scores here.Nope.<br><br><br>Even if it wouldn't have helped, I guess ! lolArticle 13?Audio is down unfortunately.<br><br>Legal reasons... Nothing to do with Hans or any composer who have always been very supportive.<br><br>Maybe it'll return, maybe not...@Knight, it's not just you.
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  1. Everybody Knows - Sigrid (4:25)
  2. The Justice League Theme - Logos (0:48)
  3. Hero's Theme (4:17)
  4. Batman On The Roof (2:34)
  5. Enter Cyborg (2:00)
  6. Wonder Woman Rescue (2:43)
  7. Hippolyta's Arrow (1:16)
  8. The Story Of Steppenwolf (2:59)
  9. The Amazon Mother Box (4:33)
  10. Cyborg Meets Diana (2:36)
  11. Aquaman In Atlantis (2:39)
  12. Then There Were Three (1:10)
  13. The Tunnel Fight (6:24)
  14. The World Needs Superman (1:00)
  15. Spark Of The Flash (2:18)
  16. Friends And Foes (4:14)
  17. Justice League United (1:24)
  18. Home (3:24)
  19. Bruce And Diana (1:06)
  20. The Final Battle (6:14)
  21. A New Hope (4:36)
  22. Anti-Hero's Theme (5:35)
  23. Come Together - Gary Clark Jr. & Junkie XL (3:13)
  24. Icky Thump - The White Stripes (4:14)
  25. The Tunnel Fight (Full Length Bonus Track) (10:58)
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Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-13 01:11:18
Seeing a lot of controversy and interesting discussion here, and I just want to say this:

I totally get it if you're disappointed that Elfman threw out Zimmer's material in favor of his own and the cameos of Williams. Thematic continuity being ignored is a gigantic pet peeve of mine and it's happened in way too many franchises lately.

HOWEVER - when I see comments like "worst score of the year", "obsolete jingles from the 80s", "cheesy and cartoonish"...come on, guys. Be reasonable. It might not be what you wanted to hear but if you take the score on its own terms, it's not worthy of that sort of abuse by any standard. Maybe not what you hoped for, but it's not awful, or incompetent, or worst-score-ever level stuff.

And I'm especially saddened to see the disrespect shown to Elfman's Batman theme and Williams' Superman theme...maybe you think they don't belong in this particular DC Universe, which is your right to feel that way...but that doesn't mean that those themes are necessarily "old-fashioned" or "obsolete". Those are two CLASSIC and ICONIC themes. Far better than anything composed for the DCEU so far. Inserting them three films into an existing universe might not have been the best decision, but to say that they (or any music of that caliber - bold, orchestral, thematic) are somehow not viable to exist in a modern superhero movie is just ridiculous, IMO.


JBSO992017-11-13 11:40:21
I think some people in here are too radical. I mean, I don't think it's great but I don't think it's the worst of the year at all. If you listen to it without thinking inside the same universe, it's enjoyable. The problem comes when you compare it to the previous movies of the DCEU.

I agree that Elfman's Batman and William's Superman are iconic and really great themes. The Batman theme fits at times but the Superman theme not and I don't really get why they just forgot about anything that came before (MoS, BvS & WW). Elfman could have introduced a reference to Williams theme inside a new representation of MoS theme by Zimmer or something like that. And the same goes with the Batman theme.

Pincel reply Replies: 8 || 2017-11-12 15:47:51
You'd expect fanboyism from a page like this, but this discussion is off the charts!...

You guys can seriouslly say that this is one of the worst score you've ever heard, and keep a straight face? Wow...

That it MAY not fit the movie; well that's acceptable criticism, even though I doubt anyone here has even seen the movie yet...
That Elfman did not use previous themes established in the universe for whatever reason; that's fair criticism as well to an extent (very arguable, considering what he had to work with IMO).

To call this an inherently bad score, as in the music is terrible and without craft. Well, sorry to say, but I believe you may very well all be insane...

MoS and BvS scores had their merits, they fit the movies the were made for, which a film score should always do, sure. But was the music really that great by itself? Outside of a theme or two, I really don't think it holds up outside the respective movies, but then again, my opinion.

I'm really not crazy for this JL score either, trust me, but I can't say I don't appreciate the more orchestral tone and less bullshit propaganda approach (drummer circle publicity stunt anyone?).

I'm sorry, but most of you just come out as cry babies, because it's not Hans, Junkie XL or Lorne Balfe or whatever RCP clone. Let's wait for the movie, and then the discussion can be more focused.




Hybrid Soldier2017-11-12 16:08:08
"hat it MAY not fit the movie;"

That's my main concern, my only fear is that it will ! It sounds an average Marvel score made for an average Marvel movie, and that's not what I wanted to finish this trilogy...

Granted, I'm not a HZ fanboy here, I'm a Zack Snyder fanboy, and I absolutely hate that hack Whedon and his aweful Avengers TV movies that weirdly managed to get screened in actual cinemas. The moment he took over JL, I knew he could only ruin everything because of scared producers and lost all hope on that film. Firing JXL (which I saw coming from miles away the minute he took over) was just an expected cherry on the cake ! ;)

A few days left before that film comes out, I'm scared it'll make me wish Superman stayed dead in that grave at the end of Bat v Sup... lol


rockhound2017-11-12 16:21:04
i also think that the score will fit the movie and i mean it also not in a positive way for the movie. from the last trailer the movie looks so cartoonish and the score sounds in parts exactly like that. this "in the middle of face" humor is very annoying. the production design looks as fake as the old Batman movies. it seems like they changed direction in 180į with this movie.


Cyberpunk882017-11-12 16:31:36
Yes, MoS & BvS scores were great by themselves. There is a reason we're here on a Zimmer fan page, not Elfman. His music is very different from Zimmer's, so it's not strange that people (like me) don't often or ever listen to Elfman's music because some (or maybe most) of us like Zimmer's type of style better.

So when somebody replaces his music with something completely different in the middle of a sequence of movies that are tied together, it's not really fanboyism, it's fair criticism on both the decision to dump the previous themes, and to the new score itself which is very different to Zimmer's/XL's previous scores and not what we are used to listen to as Zimmer fans..


mpolonest123 2017-11-12 17:28:12
@Pincel
I can definitely agree with you on some of the points you make. DCís music doesnít need to be relegated to just RCP. Creatively that would be stifling. And in regards to the music itself, I personally like it. Yes, itís a departure from the previously established sound, but itís an interesting take on this universe. And in context who knows, it might work wonders.

Where I disagree is on the quality of the previous scores. Granted, Iím not a huge fan of BVS, but MoS still is one of my favorite scores. Elfman (or more like Whedon) jettisoning the themes in exchange for Williamsí music is definitely in bad taste. Thematic consistency is one thing DC has over Marvel, and to see it fo is very frustrating. I think people would be more accepting if the old themes were still incorporated.


mpolonest123 2017-11-12 17:30:38
On the flip side though, I will admit that Iím ok with Elfmanís Batman theme returning. I was never crazy about the previous theme, so thematic consistency aside it doesnít bother me. Just my opinion of course.


F1-TARS2017-11-12 21:05:46
The man of steel theme and wonder women theme for me has become iconic with those characters, will be a big shame to not here them in the justice league movie

Very forgetful and poor score


Pincel2017-11-12 23:12:13
Look, I'm with most of you regarding the movie, It's not looking great judging from the trailers, specially with the out of place humor and all that. Definitely a huge turn from the darker and more serious tone of the previous entries, with the exception of Wonder Woman, which was already much lighter.

I just wanted to point that I feel like there's a hugely negative overreaction to the music, which I don't believe is really fair, since it's pretty serviceable at the very least, and with some strong statements of orchestral power.

Some of you give very valid arguments for not liking it, and I 100% respect that. My post was more of a reaction to those who are making some negative and downright asinine comments, as if it was Elfman's fault for being hired and accepting to do the music.
He did his job, and I'm sure Whedon/WB are happy enough with the result, wether we like it or not.

Bringing back the old themes, sure, doesn't really make any sense, but boy, it felt good to hear that old Batman theme once again, even if just part of it.


META2017-11-13 00:40:20
The Justice League theme IS the Batman theme....deconstructed and reconstructed.

Out of this entire score, I managed to cut away 30 minutes total. What my ear caught most were the first 5 notes to the Batman theme which tend to lead into the hero theme, of which its based on.

To be honest, this score is like Elfman ignored Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, Nolan's Dark Knight, Man of Steel and BvS and said "you know what? This is my BATMAN 3!"

Because it kind of IS...His theme dominates this score whether you realize it or not.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-12 09:50:35
Well guys you need to understand Elfman is not really to blame... Warner & Wedhon are...

I mean Junkie was scoring Snyder's Justice League, both departed... MOS & BvS had good box officie results but nothing compared to the Marvel machine, and got a lot of criticism... Warner decided to drop the dark DC universe (like suddenly making a "bright / jokes / fun" Marvel-like movie will get them the figures of Marvel lol...) to go the opposite way recycling recent Marvel people like Wedhon and Elfman...

What I mean is, it's not the score departing from the previous entries... It's the film !


Ds2017-11-12 10:38:53
Yeah, the tone change is one thing, but the complete departure from Hans' themes is something else. Danny could have taken Hans' MoS theme and arranged it in a brighter, more heroic and upbeat way.

Do you think it's also Whedon's fault if the themes have been trashed? Or more some kind of laziness/ego thing of Elfman?


META2017-11-12 15:38:36
"Batman only has one theme." - Elfman

(my theme, he means to say)

Now that I'm done defending Elfman, I'm beginning to suspect...You say he didn't have a hand in it. Based on his remarks, it makes me think he kinda DID, actually.

Mk reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-12 09:15:46
One of the worst scores this year.

Congratulations Whedon and Elf Man, you absolutely destroyed the epic of Justice League created by Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL and Rupert Gregson-Williams in MoS, BvS and WW with your obsolete jingles of the 80s.

You both, STAY AWAY from the upcoming DC films.


James2017-11-12 11:05:06
The people take things a little too far. While DC films depended exclusively on the vision of their filmmakers, the scores maintained a sound unit. Now that they have expanded the Universe and will release two or three films in a year, other directors and composers will work with these characters and will try to bring something new to it. That's what happens to Marvel today. How many different themes do we have for Thor (3)? And for Iroh Man (4 or 5)? In the future, even Star Wars will suffer with this. Williams will not make all the films they intend to release in the next decade. And not every composer will be content to just imitate his style


Mk2017-11-12 12:40:58
Simply read forums, reddit, social networks, etc.

For once everyone is unanimous, hating EVERYWHERE this soundtrack. A soundtrack that should be incredible (and it is not) for a blockbuster of this caliber .

"Too common."
"Sound heard many times."
"No substance, totally typical and unnoticed."
"We are not at Christmas yet."
"Forgettable."
"I can't remember any piece. Nothing."
"Looks like music for a TV commercial."
"Elfman composed this soundtrack in 5 minutes."
"Only the rework/suite of the Batman theme in the last track is good."

Things like that and more is what I can't stop seeing everywhere. And I also have to agree because it's absolutely true.

The soundtrack for Age of Ultron was very gorgeous because Brian Tyler was holding the ship's wheel, but if Elfman had been alone it would have been also as bad.

He don't know how to compose music for this kind of films in our time because there are many stuck composers who no longer serve in music industry due they don't know how to use new technology (like the glorious synth room of Junkie XL). Instead, he probably think that we still in 1989, but no, we are in 2017, his music is no longer useful, I can't have a scene with Flash running or fighting with a xylophone ringing in my ear in the background for example.


James2017-11-12 13:37:08
No way. If you search forums and review sites you will see that Elfman was responsible for the best moments of the Ultron score. And yes, when I refer people who are criticizing to the extreme, I am referring to all those who are criticizing on Youtube, Facebook, Amazon, Twitter, Reddit, forums ... It is not the worst work of Elfman, not even the worst score of the year or the worst of the DCEU ... And this situation will be repeated many times because no composer wants to be the shadow of the work of another. The only exception to date are the Bond films, Superman Returns and Rogue One. Even Giacchino, who says cares about musical continuity in the films, has not made a commitment to create a new theme for Iroh Man.
I did not like of the soundtrack. Not because I expected Elfman to write music like Zimmer, but because he did not write music like he used to.


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-12 13:56:19
Ultron, Tyler was fired... It's only because Elfman had no time to rescore the whole thing that they kept part of Brian's score...

George reply Replies: 10 || 2017-11-10 06:21:10
Wow this is bad. This is coming from a guy who was excited to hear what Elfman had to offer. I don't even like the use of WW theme, it sounds so cheesy and cartoonish. Oh well. Hopefully warner bros doesn't let him ruin another score and they bring in Brian Tyler (here come the comments), Lorne (again, here come the comments lol), R Gregson-Williams, or Jablonsky. Rupert deserves it most in my opinion


JBSO992017-11-11 12:25:15
I think Rupert Gregson-Williams would have been better for this movie, because he created the Wonder Woman score wich kept old themes, introduced some new themes and still felt inside the same universe. Also Balfe could have keep the themes from BvS and MoS.

I like some of the moments with Elfman's Batman theme, but the Superman theme just does not fit and makes me miss the fantastic scores of Man of Steel and Batman V Superman.


Hedon2017-11-11 17:56:47
Anyone at RCP would have been better than what we got here. Why not give the whole thing to Zanelli and Tom?


James2017-11-11 21:36:05
Elfman did his job. It's too neutral, but there are good moments on the album. Other composers will take responsibility for the soundtracks of the upcoming films that will be released in the future. Giacchino with Reeves in Batman, Gregson Williams will likely return to Wonder Woman 2, and maybe Silvestri (?) With Zemeckis with Flash. Not is the end of the world.


Macejko2017-11-11 22:26:15
For fucks sake, keep Giacchino away from Batman.


Brent2017-11-12 02:04:56
Iím with Macejko on this one. Keep Giacchino miles away from Batman. Before Reeves stepped in, I thought Harry Gregson-Williams would be the perfect choice since heís worked with Affleck before.


love ! DC 2017-11-12 02:17:57
Danny Elfman is a great composer.
ZimmerÖ is a butcherÖ
Only a tone deaf person can appreciate his noise.
No emotionÖnothingÖ
Any kid with a synthesizer can do a better job.
Easy to emulate Zimmer but not easy to emulate Danny Elfman or John WilliamsÖ


Mike (OTM)2017-11-12 02:40:15
The Last Samurai, The Prince of Egypt, At World's End, Interstellar, and many other scores beg to differ...


Miguel 2017-11-12 03:55:53
I wish Zimmer has written the score . Hearing the Elfman theme in this music makes snigger a bit


META2017-11-12 04:36:35
LOL what were they thinking?

I guess this is Whedon's fault...

Elfman doesn't fit this new itineration.

Even though I can see he's trying to be and I respect his courage to do so.

Seriously...was there NO ONE ELSE from RCP?



James2017-11-12 10:44:46
A guy from RCP would have the right to write a bad and still be applauded.

katrin reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-12 02:39:15
So sad -,-

one of the worse scores i have ever heard.

i like the old batman-theme but here is so wrong!
this batman is not the same like the burtons-movie.

very sad that elfman this not realice

Eric reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-11 04:48:47
Iím glad Zanelli worked on Justice League. Heís been doing a lot of big name movies this year. He got his big break with Pirates Of The Caribbean: Dead Men Tells No Tales. I wonder what tracks on here he mainly contributed to. And Iím kinda sad Junkie and Hans didnít do it. But I do like Elfman he just should have used Zimmers Batman and Superman themes. Iíve been listening to the soundtrack and havenít heard them. But I did like John Williams Superman Returning. But with this whole Zimmer vs Elfman war. Iím on John Williams side waiting for the Star Wars: The Last Jedi Soundtrack. Iím hoping The Imperial March is in it.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-10 12:47:44
A part of me died listening to this... And probably the other will as well after seeing the film...

I will quietly leave the room and go listen to Arcade from MOS in loops... lol


Meta2017-11-10 14:21:08
"Batman on the Roof"...Elfman using his Batman theme without using his Batman theme, meanwhile trying to ape Zimmer's theme by using his own Batman theme....Oy vey.

Meh. I'm with you on this. I dont know what the hell WB or Whedon was thinking here...Simply doesn't fit the current style. Then again, if this movie is going to be about Gods fighting Gods and cracking jokes ala the Avengers, then yeah it IS a differently painted horse....Christ.


Ahmad2017-11-10 16:21:46
I listened to a sample of Track 6 and then went back immediately and played some MoS tracks.
I wonder how things would've been different if Zimmer was involved. Would they fire Zimmer for Elfman? :D


Scorefan2017-11-10 20:47:47
Well, for me the theme Arcade is the new superman theme. I mean, it's epic, it's amazing and sound it incredible. The way ii was used in the scenes where Zod disband the council and when zod and his army go to the black hole is amazing.


Olive2017-11-11 01:19:50
Arcade is by XL.

Mephariel reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-10 09:59:55
Pinar Toprak wrote additional music for this score. I wonder why she is not listed here. Is she still a part of RCP?


James2017-11-10 15:20:44
Yes, she is.


Scorefan2017-11-10 20:44:23
Pinar is not part of RCP. But she wrote additional music for the film.
@Hybrid do you know what parts did she wrote for the film score? thanks

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-10 19:03:44
Would Whedon have had the guts to fire Zimmer? Iím sure either way Hans would have done everything to make Whedon satisfied.


Ds2017-11-10 19:40:20
Warner would never have done that. You don't fire Hans Zimmer. It's an honor if he accepts to work on your movie, not the other way around.
And yes, no doubt Zimmer would have adapted the musical style to fit the tone of the movie, but he would still have used all the wonderful themes and soundscapes from MoS and BvS.
There was no need to erase all that, it's very lazy of Elfman.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-10 19:48:59
I agree. One of the big comments from Filmtracks about Batman Begins when it came out was that Hans and James were "lazy" for not using Elfman's music. But at least Zimmer's been true to the reboot philosophy. He didn't use his Dark Knight stuff for Ben Affleck. He wrote a new theme, even though the character didn't inspire him.

I usually love Elfman, but this was a big mistake. The old Batman theme works reasonably well, but the Superman theme is like a sore thumb in this world, and there's WAY too heavy of an Avengers vibe in "The Final Battle." I really wish Hans hadn't quit this universe. This might have been, at last, the movie where he used his Superman theme in full form.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-10 19:52:28
Also, for Elfman to say Zimmer write a theme for this Batman is purely idiotic. There's a clear, hummable tune in Batfleck's theme. It's not just rhythmic stuff.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-10 19:53:12
to say Zimmer didn't** write a theme. Autocorrect.

Bradyn reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-10 14:10:19
I feel like the only person on this site who loves this score.

Yeah, it was different, and I wish it used Zimmerís Superman theme, but I loved this. I felt like the music I heard when I was a kid watching the DCAU shows. I wouldnít even say the music is ďtoo MarvelĒ because nothing from Marvel hasnít been this outright epic in scope. This is music for gods fighting to to save the world, and I freaking loved it.


Ds2017-11-10 14:14:29
gods fighting to save the world... while making jokes and smiling at each other!


Mortifer V.2017-11-10 14:49:14
ďThis is music for gods fighting to save the worldĒ you canít possibly be serious.

Micah reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-08 22:35:13
Elfman: "I came up with two heroic themes, one which was just an overall Justice League theme and one which was a team theme. Iím using that more when the team is coming together. I also have an ďAnti-Hero ThemeĒ as well as a Steppenwolf theme. But then I tried to provide really simple little hooks for Cyborg, Flash and Aquaman, without going too far. Thereís a certain point where you just get a mess of themes, and thatís just going to be a nightmare. So, I tried to simplify those characters to just a few notes, so that thereís something recognizable, and I tried to keep my new thematic action more involved around the entire group as a whole, so it didnít get too fragmented."

You could learn a thing or two from Howard Shore, bub. Also, based on quotes earlier in the article, it sounds like a lot of the Batman/Superman themes are because of Whedon's meddling.

It sucks that we're not getting definitive, crowd-pleasing themes for Cyborg, Aquaman, and the Flash. Look at the magic Zimmer made with Wonder Woman's theme in her brief cameo.

Oh well, at least it means that Elfman won't be the be-all/end-all for those characters (thank God).


Will2017-11-10 05:45:21
"You could learn a thing or two from Howard Shore, bub." What kind of naive point are you trying to make there? They both know how to nail thematic interplay. Do you recall the themes for every single person in the Fellowship? Oh, that's right. There weren't individual themes for every single person in the Fellowship!


Meta2017-11-10 14:26:30
I think that's Micah's point, Will...

Ujal reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-10 08:57:23
Listen to this.... now go listen to "Ideal of Hope", "Beautiful Lie" and "We All to Blame". This soundtrack is a joke. They've done it, they Marvelized the DC Universe. Today a part of me died.&#65279;


Meta2017-11-10 14:23:46
You're not wrong,, Ujal.

I considered this to be a darker more realistic take, as kinda has been...But to be honest ever since Batman vs Superman I always feared this would turn into a comic book and realism would go out the window...

Oh well...

Bibi reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-10 10:48:32
God, it's boring and I found the re-use of old themes completly wtf here. What a mess.


Waymann2017-11-10 11:19:12
I actually started laughing when I heard the ancient themes. This is hilariously bad and awkward in every way.


Mortifer V.2017-11-10 13:20:23
It was cringeworthy. Total letdown.

Waymann reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-10 10:46:02
What is the point of those Full Length Bonus Tracks ??

Ds reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-10 09:31:58
WB needs to be punished for this insult towards Hans Zimmer and his fans! Please boycott this movie!

peter reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-10 02:07:50
Very disappointing...

YES Elfman chose not to use Hans and JXL's superman/batman themes but are you kidding me that he can't even properly utilize the John Williams and his own 89 theme beyond a little snippet here and there and where is at least some strong thematic material for the whole league and the forces of Apokolips.

I will wait until I have seen the film to pass proper judgement but bloody Whedon again TAKING MUSIC CONTROL.


Lejti2017-11-10 08:53:40
"..but bloody Whedon again TAKING MUSIC CONTROL."
I completely agree with that, we see (hear) this on Ultron, and it's a complete mess again.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 8 || 2017-11-09 19:39:44
Well, Iím disappointed. : /

Itís not that itís a bad score, but it lacks solid themes/ballsy orchestrations. Honestly the music just sounds flat. When Elfman uses previous themes (WW motif, Batman theme) is when the music stands out. But not including Zimmerís Superman material is a HUGE mistake.

This is making me really wish JXL has scored this. Iím all for a different musical perspective but you need to have music that matches the style at least somewhat. And this is coming from someone who really likes Elfman usually.

For the positives, some of the action music (in particular the descending string line from ďHulkĒ) does work, and Iíll give credit for the ďHeroesĒ track, which isnít half bad.


mpolonest1232017-11-09 19:45:43
And for anyone comparing this to AoU....

At least that score had solid thematic consistency. The Avengers theme, Iron Manís theme, and Captain Americaís theme were all incorporated into the score alongside the new material.


MrZimmerFan2017-11-09 19:49:32
One problem: The Avengers theme is by Silvestri, re-arranged by Elfman and Iron Man's is from Tyler.

Is not the same case here.

And when the Captain America's theme is in AoU?


mpolonest123 2017-11-09 20:09:54
@MrZimmerFan Thatís my point, Elfman/Whedon should have better incorporated Zimmerís themes like they did with Silvestriís music. It is the same exact case when you are dealing with a preexisting musical universe.

And the theme pops up once or twice, definitely in the opening of the last track.



rockhound2017-11-09 21:01:13
i also dont understand, why elfman used his 30 years old Batman theme, which is from another DC universe. and even worse, a Superman theme from 40 years ago, also a different DC universe. makes zero sense. elfmans own Justice League theme and the previous themes from zimmer and holkenborg would have been correct. it is funny, that the only theme which stands out is Zimmers Wonder Woman theme in track 6. really nice arrangement. elfmans style can fit with this new movie, but his theme sounds so old and cartoonish. maybe the movie is like that.


MrZimmerFan2017-11-09 21:02:51
But Feige dosen't wanted the material by Silvestri, he wanted what Tyler wrote. That's why Whedon came with Elfman, to incorporate that themes.

BTW, the re-arranged theme for Wonder Woman is cool and as always the Batman's theme is tremendous


James2017-11-09 21:07:47
I liked the score, from a technical point of view, it is much higher than the previous ones. However I agree that bringing the Batman and Superman themes back ignoring that these are from other phases of the character was an Elfman's mistake. He even had the opportunity to build anything memorable for Justice League, Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg and failed.


Ds2017-11-09 21:18:05
Who knows, maybe some MoS tracks are inserted in the movie with minor editing? I'm thinking maybe Clark's piano theme? It would also make sense Danny didn't include them on his soundtrack album. But it's a pity he didn't even bother trying to do something with this theme.


JBSO992017-11-09 21:32:59
It's not that is a bad score, but it's neither good. I mean, there are some really great moments, the action sewuences specially those two full length tracks are great, and the appearences of the Batman theme and Wonder Woman theme are great.
But the things is that I don't think the music really fits this cinematic universe and sounds more like an Avengers movie with some parts like Burton's movies. The other big problem that I have is that they did not use any of MoS material (unless it appears in the movie but not here) and they didn't have very recognizable themes at the first listen, just the theme that appears at Hero's Theme, that after some listens is not that bad.
Overall is not that bad but I would have really wished that they kept themes from BvS and MoS and that it did not sound so similar to Avengers. Let's see how it works in the movie.

Fares_Tdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-09 19:17:30
I just hate it i hate it all i got this today and i really hate it no soul no memorable cues i miss your themes Zimmer.

Disappointed &#128542;

Steve1 reply Replies: 5 || 2017-11-09 15:35:41
I've listened the tracks.

It's so awful! There is no soul, no depth, so generic, the choice of the instruments is improper with by comparison with MoS, BvS or WW. It's like, we are in 2017 but we have a ost from the 90's. And, do not hope for any MoS notes in the soundtrack...

My point of view is that this OST is one of the most disappointing soundtrack I've ever heard.


...2017-11-09 15:46:51
I have also listened to the score and find it rather boring, however that has NOTHING to do with the instruments. The orchestra has nothing to do with the 90s, the orchestra is something timeless. The writing is boring and generic though, I agree with that. I loved MOS and liked the non sound design parts of BVS so this is a bit disappointing.


Waymann2017-11-09 16:24:02
It sounds like Tim Burton made a Justice League movie. This is so wrong on so many levels.


JBSO992017-11-09 16:37:31
No MoS?! I'm so sad...
I still have to give it a full listen but I don't have too high hopes in this one.
Anyway, what about Wonder Woman theme? does it appear at some point or they have just destroyed the musical continuity for good?


Everan2017-11-09 16:55:37
Track 6, Wonder Woman theme.

Supposedly Zimmer's theme pops up in the film only.
I'm having a lot of fun here too.


Micah Garnett2017-11-09 18:18:40
If it's the same music from the clip, it sounds extremely uninspired and poorly timed.

The music should start when she busts through the wall, not at the end of the scene when the action is over. :/

Ahmad reply Replies: 7 || 2017-11-09 11:06:01
WaterTower uploaded "Friends and Foes" and it's everything I didn't want a JL score to be. Old school! It's not bad but it's generic and not memorable at all.

https://www. youtube.com/watch?v=EQ6mS3Ulgb0


MrZimmerFan2017-11-09 11:16:53
Old School?

Didn't like people like Horner, Elfman, Williams, JNH or Beltrami?, symphonic.

Well, there is a plenty of GREAT superheroes scores with old school music: The Last Stand, Batman, Superman, The Shadow, Hellboy (if you count like comic book movie), X2, Apocalypse...

And this comes from a guy who like BvS score


JBSO992017-11-09 13:32:59
@MrZimmerFan I do like the most of the scores and composers that you mentioned, but I don't like the track Friends and Foes. That little fragment of Superman's theme just sounds out of place. I just hope that the full album is better than this and that they keep at least MoS themes.

BTW, I aslo like a lot BvS


MrZimmerFan2017-11-09 14:49:29
'That little fragment of Superman's theme just sounds out of place.'

Will make sense when the movie come out, I hope for that.


...2017-11-09 14:52:38
I'm listening right now. It's not bad, it just sounds more like avengers than DC


Mortifer V.2017-11-09 14:57:47
The old Superman theme bit sounds absolutely horrible and totally out of place. I cringed while listening to it and I seriously doubt it will work in the film. Danny Elfman was a mistake.


...2017-11-09 15:19:28
Elfman might or might not have been a mistake, however that superman arrangement is not good. Williams would not be happy if he heard it.


Steve12017-11-09 15:33:45
It's so awful! There is no soul, no depth, so generic, the choice of the instruments is improper with by comparison with MoS, BvS or WW. It's like, we are in 2017 but we have a ost from the 90's. And, do not hope for any MoS notes in the soundtrack...

My point of view is that this OST is one of the most disappointing soundtrack I've ever heard.


jewen reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-08 10:56:07
And another song is out: Justice League United

This OST starts to sound very, very cool and epic.

Smell like Glory


JBSO992017-11-08 16:10:19
Where can I listen to this track? I cannot find it on youtube.


James2017-11-08 16:25:26
It's all very confusing, I'll wait for the official release


Bobby2017-11-08 21:09:47
And then I miss Hans Zimmer & Junkie XL... I was so exciting for that track, and how disappointed it is! totally agree with James : confusing. I hope good surprises coming...


Mortifer V.2017-11-08 23:08:57
So far, the tracks that have been released/leaked sound bad or mediocre at best. Not sure how you call this epic.

Micah reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-08 00:26:44
Another song is out: "The Story of Steppenwolf."

Haven't listened to it yet, because my internet is crap, but I thought I'd let you guys know.


JBSO992017-11-08 08:04:15
For me, it sounds better than the two previous ones. There is a theme that sounds a bit like variations of the Elfman Batman theme and it sounds like an epic and dark moment, in Elfman's gothic dark style.
Better than the Hero's theme, at least for me!


Lejti2017-11-08 08:27:08
the first 20 seconds sounds to me like Pirates of the Caribbean. Geoff Zanelli?

Mephariel reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-06 22:42:17
Yeah, I wish someone would just ask the director or something for confirmation.


Ds2017-11-07 20:34:42
Since no one really knows who the director is anymore, they just let the actors do the press tour and, well I'm not sure they have even seen the movie, let alone know which theme was used...


Everan2017-11-07 23:16:38
Snyder is the director, Whedon is in charge of postproduction only. So ask Whedon, he picked Elfman


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-07 23:26:35
The director of the film that gets out next week in cinema is Whedon, you want it or not... lol


Everan2017-11-08 01:40:34
Trolly Soldier

jewen reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-06 14:00:50
Here is a comparasison between Elfman and Zimmer thems.
Is based upon the recent oficial Justice League clip, were we can listen the revived Elfman's Batman theme, and next the same scene with the Zimmer/XL original theme for last year's BvS.


jewen2017-11-06 14:01:46
Comparison:

https ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr-1vDnm1aY


Everan2017-11-06 16:19:13
"grabs popcorn in anticipation to the incoming s*tfest"


JBSO992017-11-06 19:19:58
In this particular scene I feel like the tow themes fit well. I mean, Elfman's theme has a similiar dark tone and so. And the Zimmer/Junkie XL theme is also very great because you know, it feels like the same universe of Batman V Superman


Micah2017-11-07 04:44:15
This makes me miss Zimmer/Junkie so much.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-06 19:02:25
Henry Cavill :

ďThe Hans Zimmer score is so ingrained in my psyche now, and the emotions I felt while making [Man of Steel], the emotions I felt for the character and the emotions I felt while watching those trailers when they were happening was enormous. And so, that score holds something very special for me and always always will. Of course, we hear a bit of Zimmerís now-familiar score in the most recent trailer for Justice League, but we also know that references to John Williams are engrained in the music as well. At the same time the John Williams score is incredibly powerful, itís a character all to itself, and to have both of thoseÖI mean itís genius. I couldnít have asked for anything better.ď


JBSO992017-11-06 19:21:46
So, is this a confiration that they will use Zimmer's Man of Steel theme in Justice League? I hope so, because honestly, that track that was released with the fragment of Williams's Superman theme felt really out of place.

anon reply Replies: 20 || 2017-10-31 22:03:43
Elfman basically fires shots at Zimmer here:
twitter com/antovolk/status/925463903005528064


Lejti2017-10-31 22:33:29
the musical continuity is f*cked up. the same situation with superman. some people adore that the Williams' Sup theme is back, but imagine this, after Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Zimmer did'nt return as composer to TDKR, they bring aboard Elfman and his Batman theme, it's just not fitting (to me)


Hybrid Soldier2017-10-31 22:47:40
Danny does many things, but firing shots at Zimmer is never one of them...

As Hans said himself, no matter what they temptracked in Justice League, be sure Danny didn't listen to any of it !


George2017-11-01 00:33:26
Yeah I see what you're saying, but i also understand what Danny is saying, too. Thematically, he wouldn't use Zimmer's theme from BVS, which I'm okay with. To me, I feel like Warner wants to separate themselves from that movie stylistically. Justice League doesn't look as dark, so a dark batman score wouldn't fit. And if we're honest the BVS theme was never close to what the TDK score was, and wasn't memorable. I don't like that they ditched Junkie, but lets just see how it works in the film and then judge it. In 2 weeks we may be heralding the decision to bring Elfman on as the greatest thing ever to happen.


Meta2017-11-01 01:41:20
In defense of Elfman...

He's not wrong. Even Zimmer himself said Batman doesn't even have a theme, because he didn't feel like he deserved it. It was more of a two note motif, if anything...Or even a SIMPLE theme, but really that's not an actual standard theme!


Micah2017-11-01 02:44:27
God, this whole situation ticks me off.

While I certainly enjoyed "Hero's Theme", and to a lesser extent, "Friends and Foes", musical continuity was one thing DC had over Marvel in their film universe.

This ISN'T Reeves' Superman or Keaton's Batman. This music has absolutely no place in the film. Ugh...


Saurabh2017-11-01 04:50:16
I would have approved of Elfman's opinion if he had a solid backing for his decision in the form of a solid score, but Hero's Theme and his use of JW's Superman theme in Friends and Foes was a massive letdown. To say that Batman has only one and The theme may or may not be a sign of disrespect towards HZ (if you wish to look into the technicalities of his work) but it is definitely one towards Goldenthal's superlative work on the crappy Schumacher movies. Elfman's work on Avengers Age of Ultron and whatever I've heard of JL so far has been extremely disappointing.


Mephariel2017-11-01 06:21:24
The only problem I have with what he is saying is that he pretended that Goldenthal and Shirley Walker never wrote a theme for Batman.


Meta2017-11-01 13:27:53
Micah and Miphariel are correct...in a sense. Maybe even technically.

Elfman's old themes/style clashes with the modern presentations of what we've become accustomed to. Maybe you can thank Zimmer washing his hands of it. Maybe not.

Maybe you can blame WB for trying to turn this into a live action version of the Cartoon series...And of course Shirley Walker is deceased, so Elfman is the obvious next choice.

And then Elfman ignores Goldenthal and Shirley Walker's themes for Batman...but let's be honest, Elfmanis referring to enduring iconic theme for Batman, filmwise...And Elfmanis right - his Batman theme is THE THEME, like JW Superman theme.

All respect to Goldenthal and Walker and even the 60s theme...But the Elfman Batman theme is the popular theme for Batman, moviewise.


Mephariel2017-11-01 15:21:57
Is it really though? Has Elfman's theme endured past the 90s that well? I don't think it is as anywhere near as iconic as Williams' Superman theme.

I would say that Elfman's theme is probably the most acknowledged within the film music community. To me, that is fair.

Really, it depends on the era. Back in the days, Neal Hefti's Batman theme is probably just as recognizable as Elfman's theme today.


Everan2017-11-01 15:59:09
I remember how pretty much everyone didn't like Batfleck's theme since it was just 4 braaahms and just noise.

And now nobody likes it's not being used anymore. Odd.

Also, WW's theme is in the movie so we still have musical continuity. THere's an extra video in the twitter thread. Only theme we don't have any confirmation is Hans'Supes theme.


Andy2017-11-01 16:10:31
What about Balfeís Batman themes ? Thery are better than most of the recent films


James2017-11-01 16:31:39
Oh no, here we go...



Michael2017-11-01 16:54:45
Agree .lego Batman was better than some of the earlier scores for sure


Edmund Meinerts2017-11-01 17:37:35
They're not going to quote Balfe's themes from a Batman parody. That would be like if they quoted Soul Bossa Nova from Austin Powers in the next Bond movie...


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-01 18:06:10
Except, Edmund, that quoting "Old Elfman Bat Theme" & "Old Williams Supes Theme" in Justice League makes that film become de facto a parody... lol


James2017-11-01 18:07:38
Oh God! What do you have in mind? Quoting Balfe's theme is like quoting Christopher Drake's theme from the animations in the movie of the JL or in the Nolan movies. Since it's not original, created for that movie, it does not make sense. You do everything to include Balfe's name in every discussion.

"But they'll come back with the Elfman theme!"

Sad news for Zimmer and all those who liked the approach chosen by Snyder, but there is no denying that the treatment given to one theme is totally different from that given to the other.

The theme of Zimmer is good and will be close to those written by Goldenthal, Walker and Hefti. But Elfman was the man who built Batman's sound identity as it is known all over the world today.


Meta2017-11-02 00:51:51
Honestly, I don't care to see Elfman in the DC Film Universe...Zimmer and Company have done just fine (for the most part) without him. Hell, I'd rather Balfe or Rupert Gregson-Williams take over scoring duties, just to keep things thematically even.

But it is what it is...As I said before, this movie seems to be more of a homage to the cartoon series with Elfman's involvement...to me, anyway...

After Batman V Superman, though, I'm like WHATEVER, man...


mpolonest123 2017-11-02 04:37:20
The weirdest thing to me is that they have been marketing the film using Zimmerís theme. I canít imagine the studio would just allow Whedon to abandon it like that.

Admittedly, Iím not all that opposed to Elfman using his own Batman theme. Continuity-wise it sucks, but his theme is stronger than what Hans came up with for BvS (IMO) and can fit this take on Batman easily.

Superman, on the other hand, is a different story. As iconic as it is, John Williamís theme just doesnít fit this iteration of the Man of Steel. Zimmerís take was heroic, but not blatantly patriotic/wholesome. And them abandoning the Clark Kent piano theme would be ridiculous.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what the end result. At the very least, the WW motif is returning so thereís that....


JBSO992017-11-02 09:43:15
Elfman not using the BvS Batman theme, well I liked that theme but I don't think that a really big problem, even if I would have love that they keeped that theme.

My problem is if they don't use the Man of Steel themes, because there is a lot of good material in there that should be used instead of recycling the William's theem, that is really great, but does not fit at all in this movies.

I also hope that they keep the Wonder woman theme because it's really powerful and it could serve as a Justice League Battle Anthem or something like that.


James2017-11-02 15:36:27
It may be my illusion, but I still believe we will have a mix of the themes of Williams and Zimmer (good), a new interpretation of the theme written for WW (essential) and the theme of Elfman's Batman adapted or not to the Bataffleck.

jewen reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-01 14:01:55
Danny Elfman took the Silvestri's Avengers Theme and reworked and made it fresh while still had a continuity and used that original leitmotiv.

Really Elfman can't make the same taking Men Are Still Good thematic and doing his shit while respecting the music feel of this new universe?

Really this is a total mess. We will see how far they will go...my worst fear is the lack of Man of Steel Theme in favour of oldfashioned Williams Theme...that could be a cold shot in our fan heart.


Ds2017-11-01 14:25:22
That is also my biggest concern for this movie. I hope the Man of Steel themes are well used.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 20 || 2017-10-26 14:26:08
OK I will just put it there because Geoff Zanelli helped working on it...

BTW Danny's "Hero's Theme" of the score was released as a single by WaterTower...


mpolonest123 2017-10-26 14:35:24
Iím glad they at least kept some of the RC ďfamilyĒ, along with JXLís Come Together cover. Fingers crossed for continuity....


Ds2017-10-26 15:10:39
What an awful cover. I'm glad Hans' name doesn't appear on it :-p


scarecrow92017-10-26 15:22:58
Hybrid, where can I find Danny's "Hero's Theme"?? Thank you


Hybrid Soldier2017-10-26 15:30:09
www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/album/heros-theme-from-justice-league-or iginal-motion-picture-soundtrack-danny-elfman/0794043194733? qref=dac_7


mpolonest123 2017-10-26 15:39:21
Itís a mixed bag for me, the underlying string theme is pretty cool and there are a few ďelfanismsĒ that work. The problem is the main tune is somewhat generic.


Waymann2017-10-26 16:13:43
Tomorrow the pre-order will be up on itunes. 27 tracks including 3 songs.

I think it sounds ok. But the main thing I don't like is that it doesn't sound like Man of Steel. That cover is ugly as hell.


Waymann2017-10-26 16:14:35
Sorry, pre order is up already on itunes. Nov. 10 is de release date.


Ahmad2017-10-26 16:48:49
Yeah... not bad but not impressive. There are some good parts though. I hope the rest of the score is much more exciting.

To think that this is the first listen of the score, I can't help but compare it to "Their War Here".


james2017-10-26 16:58:26
Spoiler: Bruce and Diana. Lol

Well, all the tracks titles are spoilers.


Everan2017-10-26 17:01:30
A bit, but that last track durations, two action sequences of 10 minutes, that will be a sight to behold!


james2017-10-26 17:23:41
The track 25 is a reprise complete of the number 13.


Jonathan Romano2017-10-26 17:52:26
Since we came back to talk about DC comic book movies, I have a question about the credits on the WW theme. Who did it? Just Zimmer? Zimmer and Junkie? Zimmer and Guo? Zimmer and Mazzaro? Or the complete package with Zimmer, Junkie, Guo and Mazzaro? This is a question that makes the head of many BvS fans boil.


Ds2017-10-26 18:00:22
Track 16 is up on Apple Music. I think it is the pointless reprise of John Williams material Danny was talking about.
No trace of HZ themes so far.


Hybrid Soldier2017-10-26 18:27:06
That theme is HZ, Jonathan.


George2017-10-26 19:42:06
Man, these tracks suck. And i was even one of the few who was a little excited to hear what Elfman did with this since I actually like Age of Ultron's score. But this is pretty generic and pretty lame to be honest lol


James2017-10-26 20:14:58
"Hero's" is really weak. "Friends and Foes" is better and a good promise for the rest of the score. However, we have yet to not see any sign of any theme for any of the characters other than the quotes to Williams and Elfman's material from past scores. A thing or another: they are making mystery or the score is really what we have until now. I believe the first is the right answer.


Meta2017-10-27 14:14:52
Aw cmon, man...Yall know Elfman came back into this because Zimmer started aching on about not wanting to do superhero stuff anymore, after Dark Knight Returns.

Hollywood looked around and said "you know what? Now's as good a time as any to bring back Elfman." And here we are.



Bobby2017-10-27 18:42:18
I'm really disappointed by these two tracks, no deep, generic... To my mind, they should not hire Elfman instead of Junkie XL, it makes me think that the choice of the instruments (Elfman's style) is like we came 2 decades back and this is paradoxical compared to what it has been done by HZ and JXL. So, yes, Elfman is a really good compositor, but the fact that he contributed for Joss Whedon's Avenger does not mean that he will perform something as good as HZ and JXL.
I really hope that the other tracks will be better that


Ahmad2017-10-28 10:32:40
Actually, "Hero's theme" grew on me after listening to it several times. It's really good. I'm still bitter about the whole JXL situation though.


Micah2017-10-29 06:07:01
Yup. I despised Hero's Theme at first, but it's certainly grown on me. It'll be cool hearing it in theaters, but I'm still really bummed that Whedon axed Junkie. I hope to God he didn't butcher the rest of the film.

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