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So Hybrid, care to tell us why you randomly deleted comments talking about the leaked recording sessions?Yes! That piano part is amazing! <br>„when charles and jean stand in front of the school“Saw the movie. Great score and it really fits the movie.<br><br>Missing stuff:<br>- 25 seconds of a piano version of Gap without the brass and bells<br>- a 30 second badass version of the main theme during the mageneto/jean helicopter stand off<br>- 1.5 minute end credits suite. Typical Zimmer to leave the best and most epic track and best main theme version off the album. I hope it will be on CD2, but knowing Zimmer the best tracks always remain unreleased. This is another escape from ship...after listening and listening...this score is truly amazing! i love it so much! i want the suites and ideas NOW! :DWhere can I find this?
been listening to this score for a week now and i am going to wait a little more before putting a comment on it here... but there's something else i have been saying for a while now. let's stop associating scores with movies and start seeing them as a work of art in their own rights. (albeit inspired by movies)<br><br>people are here complaining about the movie that it didn't speak to them. and then i have the feeling that they project their disappointment on the soundtrack. but both pieces of art co-exist and not depend on each other. i, for example, seldom watch any of these movies. but i have listened to their soundtracks and love them.<br><br>also i never asked for an extended CD before... but we need one for this one. it's very clear that tracks like gap and coda were definitely shortened.<br><br>also i never asked for an extended CD before but we need one for DP. it's clear that tracks like gap and coda were definitely shortened.There's nothing unique about those choirs, standard East European chorus stuff mixed with Johansson. Check out Debbie Wiseman's Warriors from 2000 and you'll get a much more elaborate version of this music.I cant say that this chorus reminds me of anything I have heard Zimmer done before. And I have played all his scores to death.I agree that Gap is the best track. My main complain with this score is that it feels that Zimmer composed it on autopilot. For me those choirs sounded too much to Electro's Theme in TASM. Is too standard and has very few remarkable moments. The movie itself lacks of personality and the score is part of that problem. I think they just wanted "dark" and hired Zimmer for making his dark ostitatos.I thought I read somewhere Armageddon was the last bay film that hgw was a part of<br>===============================<br><br><br>Well, Bay and HGW were not exactly best friends during Armageddon. Bay is very demanding and tough. HGW is also not a shy dude. He is an opinionated guy who stands his ground, as you can tell by his interviews. He reminds me of Mancina…..He's not afraid to speak up and have his opinion heard. And just like Mancina, his relationship with the Bay/Bruckheimer family seemed to be...….a bit complicated. Yet, he worked on Bad Boys 2 and Deja Vu. Now, it is possible - tho not likely - that Bay didn't even know that HGW did some work on BB2. Maybe it was just a favor for Steve and Trevor. Under the table, so to speak..... Personally, I don't believe that's the case. Whatever the truth, this is a great example of how different those composers are. Trevor and Steve work great with Bay/Bruckheimer and they always deliver great results. While composers like HGW and Mancina have problems with more demanding filmmakers. And apparently they don't even like action cinema. I don't necessary blame them, even though Mancina certainly didn't do himself any favors by trashing the genre and the people who back in the 90's gave him a shot to prove himself as a composer.
Love John Powell. But he is not even close to Williams. Williams made his mark on every genre of film scoring. He freaking turn a holocaust movie score into a masterpiece for the ages.<br><br>Today, that score would have been some generic sound design.<br><br>Powell is an incredibly gifted orchestral composer. But he doesn't have the dimensions of someone like Williams. <br><br>You fools, the tracklist was but a scam. The tracks simply wanted to EAT you.Yeah, while this does have a great deal more substance than most of the work Hans has done the past few years, I struggle to say it's a genuinely *good* score.<br><br>I mean, within the first minute I'm reminded of Dunkirk, then we get a pretty standard Zimmer/Balfe buildup we've heard a million times since Inception... and it doesn't get hugely better from there.<br><br>I will definitely give Zimmer credit for the unique and genuinely creative use of female choir in some of the cues, though.Not to disagree for its own sake, but I think Powell has been up there with the greatest film composers since the first HTTYD score. I just wish he'd take on more projects.Yeah, Jesus. This is a prime example of why I'm tempted to think John Powell is more talented than even Williams (yes, I went there).
There's so, so many great themes in the HTTYD scores. And he almost never lets a moment go by where he isn't stating or restating or developing one or more of them (although honestly that's true of a ton of Powell's scores and not an exclusive feature of HTTYD). You can never get bored listening to these, there's always something interesting around the next corner.I got confirmation HGW only wrote Haitian House Shootout (with the help of Mel Wesson). The same ideas were edited into the shorter cue Zoepound, so I'd say you can add this one to his credits.<br><br>Credits on IMDB mentions Paul Linford on the Main Titles.<br><br>Trevor Morris helped Jablonsky on the Ferrari Causeway Chase.<br>Jablonsky worked, for sure, on the Hallway and Helicopter Inserts.<br><br>100% sure Rabin worked on Tapia, Tapia Pissed Off, The Stuff, Wiretap Results, Ocean, Dead Bodies #2, Heart to Heart, Breaking Into Mortuary, Syd's Cover Is Blown, Tapia Has Syd (without Inserts), Prep for Tapia Sneak, Cuba Chase, Guantanamo (those tracks are on the Rabin only-bootleg).Hoping for the Rocketman score to get a release. Loved the score in the movie. Any updates on this ?Additionally, for anyone interested, I've managed to come up with a final list of themes from the series that I believe to be mostly accurate.<br><br>HTTYD 1: Hiccup & Toothless, The Friendship ostinato, Viking Theme, Viking "B" Theme, Dragons, Berk, The Dragon Tamer (Hiccup's unique qualities), Vikings & Dragons, Astrid<br><br>HTTYD 2: Loss, Exploration/Hiccup's Maturance, Drago, Hiccup & Valka, The Alpha, Stoick & Valka, The Chief<br><br>HTTYD 3: The Furies ostinato, Love, The Dragon Liberators, Moving On, The Hidden World, Toothless & The Light Fury, Grimmel, Dragon Trappers<br><br>A list more impressive than Star Wars, and with almost every new theme returning for the next film, while keeping most of the base themes. A masterful achievement by John Powell and his crew, as others have said!Just finished watching the movie, and while it's not much more than fine, it's sure as hell better than every other Star Wars movie that's come out since The Force Awakens (minus the ugly fucking visuals). <br><br>However the score is absolutely amazing. Powell's adaptation and development of the new Han Solo theme from Williams is flawless, the callbacks to other themes from the series are mostly appropriate (and good on him for not using the Force theme once!) and Powell's original material is fresh and exciting in a way that even Williams himself hasn't been able to pull off with the new films. <br><br>Powell might very well be up there with the greatest film composers if he continues to produce work like this from now on (which from HTTYD 3 seems very possible!)
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  1. Everybody Knows - Sigrid (4:25)
  2. The Justice League Theme - Logos (0:48)
  3. Hero's Theme (4:17)
  4. Batman On The Roof (2:34)
  5. Enter Cyborg (2:00)
  6. Wonder Woman Rescue (2:43)
  7. Hippolyta's Arrow (1:16)
  8. The Story Of Steppenwolf (2:59)
  9. The Amazon Mother Box (4:33)
  10. Cyborg Meets Diana (2:36)
  11. Aquaman In Atlantis (2:39)
  12. Then There Were Three (1:10)
  13. The Tunnel Fight (6:24)
  14. The World Needs Superman (1:00)
  15. Spark Of The Flash (2:18)
  16. Friends And Foes (4:14)
  17. Justice League United (1:24)
  18. Home (3:24)
  19. Bruce And Diana (1:06)
  20. The Final Battle (6:14)
  21. A New Hope (4:36)
  22. Anti-Hero's Theme (5:35)
  23. Come Together - Gary Clark Jr. & Junkie XL (3:13)
  24. Icky Thump - The White Stripes (4:14)
  25. The Tunnel Fight (Full Length Bonus Track) (10:58)
  26. The Final Battle (Full Length Bonus Track) (12:57)
  27. Mother Russia (Bonus Track) (1:45)
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Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-06 19:02:25
Henry Cavill :

“The Hans Zimmer score is so ingrained in my psyche now, and the emotions I felt while making [Man of Steel], the emotions I felt for the character and the emotions I felt while watching those trailers when they were happening was enormous. And so, that score holds something very special for me and always always will. Of course, we hear a bit of Zimmer’s now-familiar score in the most recent trailer for Justice League, but we also know that references to John Williams are engrained in the music as well. At the same time the John Williams score is incredibly powerful, it’s a character all to itself, and to have both of those…I mean it’s genius. I couldn’t have asked for anything better.“


JBSO992017-11-06 19:21:46
So, is this a confiration that they will use Zimmer's Man of Steel theme in Justice League? I hope so, because honestly, that track that was released with the fragment of Williams's Superman theme felt really out of place.

anon reply Replies: 20 || 2017-10-31 22:03:43
Elfman basically fires shots at Zimmer here:
twitter com/antovolk/status/925463903005528064


Lejti2017-10-31 22:33:29
the musical continuity is f*cked up. the same situation with superman. some people adore that the Williams' Sup theme is back, but imagine this, after Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Zimmer did'nt return as composer to TDKR, they bring aboard Elfman and his Batman theme, it's just not fitting (to me)


Hybrid Soldier2017-10-31 22:47:40
Danny does many things, but firing shots at Zimmer is never one of them...

As Hans said himself, no matter what they temptracked in Justice League, be sure Danny didn't listen to any of it !


George2017-11-01 00:33:26
Yeah I see what you're saying, but i also understand what Danny is saying, too. Thematically, he wouldn't use Zimmer's theme from BVS, which I'm okay with. To me, I feel like Warner wants to separate themselves from that movie stylistically. Justice League doesn't look as dark, so a dark batman score wouldn't fit. And if we're honest the BVS theme was never close to what the TDK score was, and wasn't memorable. I don't like that they ditched Junkie, but lets just see how it works in the film and then judge it. In 2 weeks we may be heralding the decision to bring Elfman on as the greatest thing ever to happen.


Meta2017-11-01 01:41:20
In defense of Elfman...

He's not wrong. Even Zimmer himself said Batman doesn't even have a theme, because he didn't feel like he deserved it. It was more of a two note motif, if anything...Or even a SIMPLE theme, but really that's not an actual standard theme!


Micah2017-11-01 02:44:27
God, this whole situation ticks me off.

While I certainly enjoyed "Hero's Theme", and to a lesser extent, "Friends and Foes", musical continuity was one thing DC had over Marvel in their film universe.

This ISN'T Reeves' Superman or Keaton's Batman. This music has absolutely no place in the film. Ugh...


Saurabh2017-11-01 04:50:16
I would have approved of Elfman's opinion if he had a solid backing for his decision in the form of a solid score, but Hero's Theme and his use of JW's Superman theme in Friends and Foes was a massive letdown. To say that Batman has only one and The theme may or may not be a sign of disrespect towards HZ (if you wish to look into the technicalities of his work) but it is definitely one towards Goldenthal's superlative work on the crappy Schumacher movies. Elfman's work on Avengers Age of Ultron and whatever I've heard of JL so far has been extremely disappointing.


Mephariel2017-11-01 06:21:24
The only problem I have with what he is saying is that he pretended that Goldenthal and Shirley Walker never wrote a theme for Batman.


Meta2017-11-01 13:27:53
Micah and Miphariel are correct...in a sense. Maybe even technically.

Elfman's old themes/style clashes with the modern presentations of what we've become accustomed to. Maybe you can thank Zimmer washing his hands of it. Maybe not.

Maybe you can blame WB for trying to turn this into a live action version of the Cartoon series...And of course Shirley Walker is deceased, so Elfman is the obvious next choice.

And then Elfman ignores Goldenthal and Shirley Walker's themes for Batman...but let's be honest, Elfmanis referring to enduring iconic theme for Batman, filmwise...And Elfmanis right - his Batman theme is THE THEME, like JW Superman theme.

All respect to Goldenthal and Walker and even the 60s theme...But the Elfman Batman theme is the popular theme for Batman, moviewise.


Mephariel2017-11-01 15:21:57
Is it really though? Has Elfman's theme endured past the 90s that well? I don't think it is as anywhere near as iconic as Williams' Superman theme.

I would say that Elfman's theme is probably the most acknowledged within the film music community. To me, that is fair.

Really, it depends on the era. Back in the days, Neal Hefti's Batman theme is probably just as recognizable as Elfman's theme today.


Everan2017-11-01 15:59:09
I remember how pretty much everyone didn't like Batfleck's theme since it was just 4 braaahms and just noise.

And now nobody likes it's not being used anymore. Odd.

Also, WW's theme is in the movie so we still have musical continuity. THere's an extra video in the twitter thread. Only theme we don't have any confirmation is Hans'Supes theme.


Andy2017-11-01 16:10:31
What about Balfe’s Batman themes ? Thery are better than most of the recent films


James2017-11-01 16:31:39
Oh no, here we go...



Michael2017-11-01 16:54:45
Agree .lego Batman was better than some of the earlier scores for sure


Edmund Meinerts2017-11-01 17:37:35
They're not going to quote Balfe's themes from a Batman parody. That would be like if they quoted Soul Bossa Nova from Austin Powers in the next Bond movie...


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-01 18:06:10
Except, Edmund, that quoting "Old Elfman Bat Theme" & "Old Williams Supes Theme" in Justice League makes that film become de facto a parody... lol


James2017-11-01 18:07:38
Oh God! What do you have in mind? Quoting Balfe's theme is like quoting Christopher Drake's theme from the animations in the movie of the JL or in the Nolan movies. Since it's not original, created for that movie, it does not make sense. You do everything to include Balfe's name in every discussion.

"But they'll come back with the Elfman theme!"

Sad news for Zimmer and all those who liked the approach chosen by Snyder, but there is no denying that the treatment given to one theme is totally different from that given to the other.

The theme of Zimmer is good and will be close to those written by Goldenthal, Walker and Hefti. But Elfman was the man who built Batman's sound identity as it is known all over the world today.


Meta2017-11-02 00:51:51
Honestly, I don't care to see Elfman in the DC Film Universe...Zimmer and Company have done just fine (for the most part) without him. Hell, I'd rather Balfe or Rupert Gregson-Williams take over scoring duties, just to keep things thematically even.

But it is what it is...As I said before, this movie seems to be more of a homage to the cartoon series with Elfman's involvement...to me, anyway...

After Batman V Superman, though, I'm like WHATEVER, man...


mpolonest123 2017-11-02 04:37:20
The weirdest thing to me is that they have been marketing the film using Zimmer’s theme. I can’t imagine the studio would just allow Whedon to abandon it like that.

Admittedly, I’m not all that opposed to Elfman using his own Batman theme. Continuity-wise it sucks, but his theme is stronger than what Hans came up with for BvS (IMO) and can fit this take on Batman easily.

Superman, on the other hand, is a different story. As iconic as it is, John William’s theme just doesn’t fit this iteration of the Man of Steel. Zimmer’s take was heroic, but not blatantly patriotic/wholesome. And them abandoning the Clark Kent piano theme would be ridiculous.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what the end result. At the very least, the WW motif is returning so there’s that....


JBSO992017-11-02 09:43:15
Elfman not using the BvS Batman theme, well I liked that theme but I don't think that a really big problem, even if I would have love that they keeped that theme.

My problem is if they don't use the Man of Steel themes, because there is a lot of good material in there that should be used instead of recycling the William's theem, that is really great, but does not fit at all in this movies.

I also hope that they keep the Wonder woman theme because it's really powerful and it could serve as a Justice League Battle Anthem or something like that.


James2017-11-02 15:36:27
It may be my illusion, but I still believe we will have a mix of the themes of Williams and Zimmer (good), a new interpretation of the theme written for WW (essential) and the theme of Elfman's Batman adapted or not to the Bataffleck.

jewen reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-01 14:01:55
Danny Elfman took the Silvestri's Avengers Theme and reworked and made it fresh while still had a continuity and used that original leitmotiv.

Really Elfman can't make the same taking Men Are Still Good thematic and doing his shit while respecting the music feel of this new universe?

Really this is a total mess. We will see how far they will go...my worst fear is the lack of Man of Steel Theme in favour of oldfashioned Williams Theme...that could be a cold shot in our fan heart.


Ds2017-11-01 14:25:22
That is also my biggest concern for this movie. I hope the Man of Steel themes are well used.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 20 || 2017-10-26 14:26:08
OK I will just put it there because Geoff Zanelli helped working on it...

BTW Danny's "Hero's Theme" of the score was released as a single by WaterTower...


mpolonest123 2017-10-26 14:35:24
I’m glad they at least kept some of the RC “family”, along with JXL’s Come Together cover. Fingers crossed for continuity....


Ds2017-10-26 15:10:39
What an awful cover. I'm glad Hans' name doesn't appear on it :-p


scarecrow92017-10-26 15:22:58
Hybrid, where can I find Danny's "Hero's Theme"?? Thank you


Hybrid Soldier2017-10-26 15:30:09
www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/album/heros-theme-from-justice-league-or iginal-motion-picture-soundtrack-danny-elfman/0794043194733? qref=dac_7


mpolonest123 2017-10-26 15:39:21
It’s a mixed bag for me, the underlying string theme is pretty cool and there are a few “elfanisms” that work. The problem is the main tune is somewhat generic.


Waymann2017-10-26 16:13:43
Tomorrow the pre-order will be up on itunes. 27 tracks including 3 songs.

I think it sounds ok. But the main thing I don't like is that it doesn't sound like Man of Steel. That cover is ugly as hell.


Waymann2017-10-26 16:14:35
Sorry, pre order is up already on itunes. Nov. 10 is de release date.


Ahmad2017-10-26 16:48:49
Yeah... not bad but not impressive. There are some good parts though. I hope the rest of the score is much more exciting.

To think that this is the first listen of the score, I can't help but compare it to "Their War Here".


james2017-10-26 16:58:26
Spoiler: Bruce and Diana. Lol

Well, all the tracks titles are spoilers.


Everan2017-10-26 17:01:30
A bit, but that last track durations, two action sequences of 10 minutes, that will be a sight to behold!


james2017-10-26 17:23:41
The track 25 is a reprise complete of the number 13.


Jonathan Romano2017-10-26 17:52:26
Since we came back to talk about DC comic book movies, I have a question about the credits on the WW theme. Who did it? Just Zimmer? Zimmer and Junkie? Zimmer and Guo? Zimmer and Mazzaro? Or the complete package with Zimmer, Junkie, Guo and Mazzaro? This is a question that makes the head of many BvS fans boil.


Ds2017-10-26 18:00:22
Track 16 is up on Apple Music. I think it is the pointless reprise of John Williams material Danny was talking about.
No trace of HZ themes so far.


Hybrid Soldier2017-10-26 18:27:06
That theme is HZ, Jonathan.


George2017-10-26 19:42:06
Man, these tracks suck. And i was even one of the few who was a little excited to hear what Elfman did with this since I actually like Age of Ultron's score. But this is pretty generic and pretty lame to be honest lol


James2017-10-26 20:14:58
"Hero's" is really weak. "Friends and Foes" is better and a good promise for the rest of the score. However, we have yet to not see any sign of any theme for any of the characters other than the quotes to Williams and Elfman's material from past scores. A thing or another: they are making mystery or the score is really what we have until now. I believe the first is the right answer.


Meta2017-10-27 14:14:52
Aw cmon, man...Yall know Elfman came back into this because Zimmer started aching on about not wanting to do superhero stuff anymore, after Dark Knight Returns.

Hollywood looked around and said "you know what? Now's as good a time as any to bring back Elfman." And here we are.



Bobby2017-10-27 18:42:18
I'm really disappointed by these two tracks, no deep, generic... To my mind, they should not hire Elfman instead of Junkie XL, it makes me think that the choice of the instruments (Elfman's style) is like we came 2 decades back and this is paradoxical compared to what it has been done by HZ and JXL. So, yes, Elfman is a really good compositor, but the fact that he contributed for Joss Whedon's Avenger does not mean that he will perform something as good as HZ and JXL.
I really hope that the other tracks will be better that


Ahmad2017-10-28 10:32:40
Actually, "Hero's theme" grew on me after listening to it several times. It's really good. I'm still bitter about the whole JXL situation though.


Micah2017-10-29 06:07:01
Yup. I despised Hero's Theme at first, but it's certainly grown on me. It'll be cool hearing it in theaters, but I'm still really bummed that Whedon axed Junkie. I hope to God he didn't butcher the rest of the film.

Aquaflash reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-27 18:14:47
Hope to "The Justice League Theme - Logos" or "Justice League United" (or another track)will be the real Justice Theme, because if not...will be a total missed opportunity to do an Iconic music theme.

iamtommie reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-27 15:14:13
1: 29:30 of score.

Micah reply Replies: 1 || 2017-10-27 00:37:27
Why delete my comment?

Because I didn't like Elfman using Williams' theme? Ugh.


Olive2017-10-27 01:08:06
Because of the link. The site only accepts broken links. Duh!

Everan reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-26 16:48:17
Sounds like a mix of WW and Elfman, I like it. I'm sure once the original themes are mixed in, it will sound better. And we have two discs so that's nice.

It should sound different, it's the rise out of the darkness from BvS and MoS, full sunrise of justice!

JBSO99 reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-26 16:43:02
On iTunes you can hear a preview of the Hero's Theme and also you have the tracklist:

01 Everybody Knows - Sigrid (4:25)
02 The Justice League Theme - Logos (0:48)
03 Hero’s Theme (4:17)
04 Batman on the Roof (2:34)
05 Enter Cyborg (2:00)
06 Wonder Woman Rescue (2:43)
07 Hippolyta’s Arrow (1:16)
08 The Story of Steppenwolf (2:59)
09 The Amazon Mother Box (4:33)
10 Cyborg Meets Diana (2:36)
11 Aquaman in Atlantis (2:39)
12 Then There Were Three (1:10)
13 The Tunnel Fight (6:24)
14 The World Needs Superman (1:00)
15 Spark of the Flash (2:18)
16 Friends and Foes (4:14)
17 Justice League United (1:24)
18 Home (3:24)
19 Bruce and Diana (1:06)
20 The Final Battle (6:14)
21 A New Hope (4:36)
22 Anti-Hero’s Theme (5:35)
23 Come Together - Gary Clark Jr. & Junkie XL (3:13)
24 Icky Thump - The White Stripes (4:14)
25 The Tunnel Fight (Full Length Bonus Track) (10:58)
26 The Final Battle (Full Length Bonus Track) (12:57)
27 Mother Russia (Bonus Track) (1:45)

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