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Yeah, 30-ish seconds into Do You Bleed?"Reminiscent Therapy" is amazing in the way it incorporates a lot of Williams' classic stuff making it feel very natural and organic, like it's part Powell's themes, like he does with "The Adentures of Han".<br><br>This is a really great scoreHe is the chosen one, the one who will bring balance to the film music world...Thats just 'do you bleed?' with a small insert?Haha, It's as the prophecy foretold.
John Powell, the great uniter of film music fans@MrZimmerFan<br><br>I actually like Rogue One, and I do understand why it leans so heavily on the original themes. Here the themes are incorporated more as fan service, but Powell is able to do wonders with interpolating them with his material. <br><br>And something I forgot to mention, this score reminds me so much of Pan in the action sequences. The percussion and brass writing is great lolim surprised how Powell uses his ANTZ percussion in this!<br><br>The track Train Heist, Into The Maw is good example of it.<br><br>This is the only score that will please the gang at JW and HZ alike.When JWFan and HZ.com are discussing the same score....'but not as heavily as Rogue One'<br><br>Because Rogue One have conections with certain aspects or characters from the OT?<br><br>An here you have a track with three themes (or cues) with no conections with the OT, Rogue One have more sense... but the score is fricking awesome :)
So first impressions:<br><br>JP knocked this one out of the park! The whole score has this excellent swashbuckling vibe, which is surprisingly aggressive during the action sequences (entirely due to his trademark percussion).<br><br>The writing style is really interesting, itís basically John Powell doing his usual style but with some Williams flourishes, especially during the softer cues. The Star Wars themes do return, but not as heavily as Rogue One. And of course the JW cue is great, although surprisingly structured more as an action cue as opposed to a concert suite.<br><br>And for some reason the Han theme sounds vaguely similar to Poeís theme from Force Awakens.Letís just say ďReminiscience TherapyĒ.... hold onto your seats! ;-)This score is awesome!! Powell did a great job at making a score that's differet than all the other SW scores, but still you know it's a SW score. He reprised Williams' theme brilliantly and I can't stop to listen to it!!!what about the music when batman makes it back to the cave and lex opens the case of kryptonite. cant find it in theseYeah I can't agree that Inception or Interstellar are superior pieces of scoring. Certainly not in structure, thematic development, etc. <br><br>What defined those scores is the vision behind them more so than the execution. In so many ways, that is opposite of The World's End. Interstellar is a brilliant score that managed to provide each scene with a simplistic tone, but one that captured the atmosphere behind the scenes perfectly, such as the unique use of the organ. Same with Inception with the guitars. <br><br>With a World's End, the vision is nothing special. It is a rock and roll twist to classic music. But the execution brings enormous power and gravitas to the movie.<br><br>I would sum it up by saying that in Interstellar and Inception, the creation of the music drives the movie's ideas while in At World's End, the movie drives the creation of the music.
Nazg&#251;l for Azog I will never forgive. It's not a Servant of Sauron theme, it's a Ringwraith theme, and Azog's not a Ringwraith, he's a goddam Orc, and that theme doesn't belong there, full stop. It was just put there because it sounds "epic" and would "pump up the action scene". Gondor Restored at the end is just as stupid. And the Dreaming of Bag End theme for Bilbo is indeed lovely, and would have been lovelier still if it actually appeared in the movie. Instead it just gets replaced by copy/pasted Hobbit music from LOTR instead because Peter Jackson desperately wants his audience to remember how good those movies were in lieu of the Hobbit ones being any good on their own. Needless to say it goes missing entirely from the second and third score...along with the Misty Mountains melody (the strongest theme of the first one). I still really like those scores overall but they got absolutely butchered in terms of their thematic usage in the films. Then again those movies were an absolute clusterfuck so I shouldn't be surprised.<br><br>WRT Harry Potter, the 3 note theme does work okay for Voldemort, except that there's already a longer, separate Voldemort theme in Philosopher's, one that I like even more, and which only gets used once in Chamber (when Riddle rearranges the letters). I can understand liking Chamber better than Philosopher when you compare the albums, but in terms of the complete scores there's no contest at all, Philosopher wins by a country mile because of Chamber's rehash issues (and there are some good cues missing from the album, such as the Troll and Forbidden Forest scenes).@Edmund<br>The thing with the Nolan scores (at least Interstellar/Inception) is that they are repetitive, in as much as being built heavily around the suites that Iím guessing they use to edit and temp the film. <br>And while the themes are simple I do think they are structured in a unique enough way which builds emotional resonance through the gradual increase in chords/volume/speed/etc. Even Dunkirk is a relatively simple score theme wise, but is so technically complex.<br><br>And personally Iíve never been in love with Inception. I admire it on a technical level, but outside of ďTimeĒ I find it to be a fairly cold score. Obviously what it was meant to do so not a complaint, more of a personal preference thing.You know, I actually like Chamber of Secrets much more than Philosopher's Stone. It has the best moments from that score with improved themes. (I actually like the 3 note motif for Voldemort better than it being used for the stone, it already sounded like the Sith theme from Star Wars so might as well go all the way with it.) It felt more tight, better paced, and had an overall more energetic feel to it.<br><br>The Hobbit, I'm not entirely sure where you're getting heartbreaking from. If you mean the state of its release I absolutely agree, if you're talking about its reprisals the only one I had any issue with was the Return of the King/Gondor Restored theme which had nothing to do with Thorin and Bilbo's relationship. <br><br>The Nazghul theme being used for Azog I thought was fine as he was a servant of Sauron in the movies, History of the Ring and Gollum's themes were used effectively, and the new thematic material for the first film, I thought was wonderful. The themes A Baggins of Bag-End and The Lonely Mountain song being used as a Fellowship type of theme are the greatest highlights for me.See, I don't find Inception or Interstellar (or Thin Red Line) all that "complex". Especially not compared to At World's End (how many themes are in that score, like 15? 20? Pretty much all of which show up in rapid succession during the Maelstrom battle?). The Nolan scores are more about building up around very simple conceptual ideas.<br><br>Unless you're talking about emotional complexity, which is a very different thing and not really possible to objectively judge...You know, I don't think I've ever really gotten the full story surrounding that score. I've heard conflicting reports. My personal belief is that Ross did little to no substantial composition and that all the new stuff (themes, suites, new cues and also significantly fresh arrangements of old material) is pure Williams, but that film is full of reused music from the first film (it's actually quite frustrating, not as bad as On Stranger Tides or as heartbreaking as The Hobbit, but a bit of a rehashy mess and it makes the key error of using the Philosopher's Stone motif as a Voldemort theme). That's where I think Ross comes in and was responsible for taking those cues verbatim from the first film and tweaking/rearranging them just enough to match the timings of the scenes without actually adding any of his "own" notes. His role is likely somewhere between additional music, arrangement and music editing (but as Hybrid likes to point out, oftentimes those sorts of roles are really blurred and overlapping anyways).<br><br>A guy at jwfan did an analysis that helps understand the nature of that score, but be warned, it goes *really* deep:<br><br>www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27619-finished-chamber -of-secrets-thematic-and-originality-analysis/
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The Hurricane Heist
Label: Filmtrax (Digital Download Only)
Length: 42:05
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  1. Hurricane Heist (4:13)
  2. Brothers (4:11)
  3. The Compound (4:07)
  4. In On It (2:10)
  5. Back In Utah (1:40)
  6. Tower Down (4:53)
  7. Follow Me (2:29)
  8. Twist Of Fate (2:22)
  9. The Garage (1:39)
  10. Take The Fight To Them (2:35)
  11. The Rutledge Boys Go To Work (3:11)
  12. The Chase (1:50)
  13. Final Showdown (3:45)
  14. The Storm (3:01)
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FaresTdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-13 14:31:23
Did you hear something from Divergent Triology by junkie XL and joseph trapense? I mean the Storm Track...

Guzz reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-12 14:41:23
Lorne Balfe = Benicio del Toro?

superultramegaa reply Replies: 14 || 2018-03-11 01:51:20
Maybe Lorne should choose more projects like Ghost in the Shell. Something that allows him to incorporate more style and electronics, because these generic action movies are giving him nothing to work with. He seems to me like he would have been a great composer in the 80s. With synth mixed with a little bit of orchestral elements to give a more other worldly/ethereal feeling.

He should do more sci-fi video games and movies. That would probably allow him to incorporate that style more, and allow him to become more unique, and get away from Zimmer's shadow. Rather than copy RCP action music.


Peter2018-03-11 02:08:58
Iím totally confused with as a lover of the Media Ventures sound why does Balfe seems to get harsh criticism. It really seems there are a hand full of haters that seem to constantly wish to moan and bitch about him. Get over it idiots !!


Edmund Meinerts2018-03-11 12:03:22
Are we not allowed to be critical? Because if that's the case discussions are going to get very boring, very fast.


superultramegaa2018-03-11 13:35:42
My criticism wasn't harsh! I said I wanted him to get more projects that would allow his unique talents to shine through. I like Ghost in the Shell, and I think Lorne has a lot of potential with that type of score. That is all I'm saying! How in any way is this bitch and moaning? Because I'm not on my hands and knees saying, "Oh Balfe, you bless us with your godly talent! May we please wash your feet Mr. Balfe? You are a god to your people!"


Olive2018-03-11 14:35:54
The same for Holkenborg. Tomb Raider was a shameful score.


rockhound2018-03-11 14:56:49
I would like to hear the orchestral Lorne Balfe more often. IRONCLAD is his best so far. An orchestral/Synth Mix is nothing original anymore.


mpolonest123 2018-03-11 15:02:09
@rockhound
Have you not heard Beyond Two Souls or Blackwood? Lorne is probably one of the best when it comes to orchestral/synth mixes. The issue is when he works with directors with zero musical knowledge. Same with Junkie XL.


rockhound2018-03-11 15:15:52
I have both scores and i like them alot, but i dont want to hear just synth/orchestral scores. Ironclad was something unique for Lorne. I really wish he would compose more often in that style.


Olive2018-03-11 15:38:34
I dare say Holkenborg's mistake was much more glaring than Balfe's. Hurricane is a film derived from the rapturous series of Fast and Furious. There is no way to stand out. XL, on the other hand, had "cool" material, the "convenience" of working with a studio that is investing a lot of work on this Tomb Raider reboot and it delivers one of the worst works of his career. It's at least revolting. XD


Hybrid Soldier2018-03-11 16:16:12
Have you actually seen The Hurricane Heist ?

I have, 2 weeks ago, it's a pretty lame movie.


Lorne's score just does what's asked. I find the Brothers theme cool though... :)


mpolonest123 2018-03-11 16:27:43
@olive
The only reason I disagree is that the film (Tomb Raider) hasnít been released yet. The trailers look atrocious, and it definitely seems like the film isnít going to be any better, much like what happened with Assasins Creed. Hopefully itís good of course, but if it isnít at least we will get an idea of why the score sounds the way it does.

@rockhound
Iíll take a listen to Ironclad, you got me interested. And I do agree, I donít want to see any composer pigeonholed in one style. Itís just that Lorne is so great at working with that particular sound.


Olive2018-03-11 16:40:11
I know. But I'm referring to the material. As bad as the movie was, there was no way to do what he did. He did not even bother to create an exotic movie atmosphere that went beyond ethnic percussion. We have had previous films of the character and nothing has reached a point as low as what XL did. Another thing, not every bad movie has an obligation to have bad music. There are several examples out there. When this happens the composer clings more to the atmosphere of the film than the story itself. Pirate films, medieval wars, stereotyped archeologists and even bad fairy tales offer the composer the opportunity to work with a genre that opens many doors for creativity.


mpolonest123 2018-03-11 20:10:15
@olive
Exactly, some bad films have amazing scores (Chappie, Jupiter Ascending). So why do some bad films have awful score, like Tomb Raider or Hurricane Heist, when the composer has proven they can write excellent material for crap?

Trust me, itís not 100% the composers fault. Moreso what the director/producers demand for their films.


mpolonest123 2018-03-11 20:15:14
And can we please STOP acting like we arenít allowed to criticize! Iím one of the biggest Zimmer fanboys and even I will admit if I donít like something he did. Likewise if someone enjoys something universally hated, why canít they like it?

Example: Most people would disagree with me but I think The Social Network is a genius score. And I wouldnít argue if someone said they fucking hate it. Itís all personal preference.


MrZimmerFan2018-03-11 20:28:08
The only score i care from Reznor/Ross was Patriots Day, if it is that good

Ian reply Replies: 7 || 2018-03-11 02:16:36
I'm honestly not sure why this score is getting criticized so harshly. For context, I'm well aware Lorne recycles content (progressions, certain rhythms, etc) a ton - probably more than any RCP composer right now - but there's well enough original content to this for me to be genuinely impressed. I've listened to three full cues so far (the first, second, and last), and none of them have felt like obvious copies of existing work.


Andrew F2018-03-11 03:33:33
I agree - it seems some just want to bitch.They should shut up


Edmund Meinerts2018-03-11 12:10:18
Actually what we want is to have reasoned discussion and debate about music in which we are allowed to speak our minds and use arguments to back up our opinions. And since that's clearly not what you want, Andrew (or is it Andy? Andreas?), why don't you go start lorne-balfe.com instead where you can make all the no-criticisms-allowed rules you want, and see how well that goes.


Olive2018-03-11 16:52:28
Well, Tomb Raider, Wrinkle in The Time and ... Hurricane Heist are being criticized. The only one of the three that (MAYBE) may grow over time is "Wrinkle".


Olive2018-03-11 16:56:36
However I agree with @Ian that, in this case, we should be aware that the production of the film must have at least 65 percent of the responsability by the end result.


MrZimmerFan2018-03-11 17:58:16
I find Wrinkle a good score, but not too memorable and interesting. However, is true the worst of the three is Hurricane. And Tomb Raider, i liked it.


Olive2018-03-11 19:04:23
I find "Hurricane" less offensive than "Raider". My heart sank into a deep darkness with the first 4 tracks of "TR". But I'm okay with it now. ;)


MrZimmerFan2018-03-11 19:11:46
The problem isn't is offensive or not... ;D

Hurricane have is 'moments' (but I found MORE engaging Geostorm as for this type of score), but less interesting and very choppy and lazy. Tomb Raider (i am big fan of percussion, and maybe is for that) i founded more engaging, by myself. But that is maybe just me ;)

I am a guy who listen JFK by Williams and when i finish it, i put Unstoppable by HGW :p

FaresTdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-11 18:32:15
Come on people it just a movie and music it's not something that will make your life better (in the long term's) if you like it buy it if not keep it neither balfe nor production company need your love if the soundtrack did the job in movie balfe will tell you just "go F*** your S***, I get paid what you get?"...finally"who's am I to talk in the name of lorne":)

FaresTdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-11 11:55:00
Well am I hearing something from suicide squad by Steven price (track 1)..so far so good...

Mephariel reply Replies: 3 || 2018-03-10 07:41:57
Awful score. Balfe basically stitched together a bunch of RCP and Zimmer scores together and called it a day. I can even hear The Joker theme and Batman's two note theme...


MrZimmerFan2018-03-10 12:50:15
I put Geostorm instead


Anonymous2018-03-11 00:53:11
Of cause you do .Always a negative Lorne comment!


Olive2018-03-11 00:57:36
Add your own opinion here and care less about the criticism of others.

Olive reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-11 00:54:09
This score is a middle ground between "Tomb Raider" and "Wrinkle in the Time". It is not bad or annoying as the first, but it is even less original than the second. It's not bad or good. It is uninspiring wallpaper. I hope better things with Uprising!

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-09 23:27:29
... which is now solved...

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