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Not as simply as that.... Training is Ramin's arrangement of a Hans theme, and the core of Mr. Charles when the Fischer theme isn't playing is a Hans idea, too, as far as I know. Take the Zimmer out and those moments wouldn't be the same.I think Balfe working with Nolan would have done a great jobBob,The Training is basically Ramin Djawadi and Mr.Charles is BalfeI hope these two team up again. Zimmer's score is the main driving force for some memorable scenes. Just a few<br>Batman Begins-The Training<br>TDK- Joker crash the party, Gordon's speech and ending<br>Inception - Time, Mr.Charles, <br>TKDR - the climb, imagine the fire and orphan<br>Interstellar-Stay, Docking, coward, mountain<br>Dunkirk - well the entire movieJustin Hurwitz I can see. I enjoyed La La Land and First Man. But Both Hurwitz and GŲransson are several notches above Lorne Balfe. <br><br>I think 80/100 directors would rather work with GŲransson than Balfe.
I really believe that Nolan has made a mistake as a composer.I think Lorne Balfe, David Julyan or Justin Hurwitz would be much better options than Ludwig Goransson.Interesting news. <br><br>Geoff Zanelli is one of those composers who Iíve loved his additional music over his solo efforts, Pirates 5 excluded. I hope he gets a chance to write some great fantasy music for this, regardless if he reuses JNHís themes or not.I think I am the only one, who would be glad about David Julyan return.<br><br>I really like his music for early Nolan's films, especially Insomnia, and it's what i can call an "atmospheric experience".<br><br>Don't know how his music fits for espionage timetraveling movie, but, for me, i'st would be something interesting to hear.@mpolonest123: those Pemberton scores are indeed pure gold, very cool on album but insanely good in the movie. My favorite is still his King Arthur, that was a beast of a score that stuck with the movie like glue and really enhanced Guy Ritchie's dark, twisted, trippy vision.*3 things
Sure, but there's two things to consider. <br>1). Pirates has such an iconic sound that it'd be really stupid for them to suddenly abandon it at #5. Especially when we hired the guy who has worked on the previous 4. 2). Maleficent, as successful as it was to warrant a sequel, isn't quite as well known in the score department, despite being well received by those who have heard it. 3). Because Zanelli worked on all Pirates, he had enough familiarity with the sounds and motifs that he knew where to go once he led the ship. In Maleficent's case, he's taking over from a previous composer, and is working with a director who likely only knows his work on POTC5. As such, there's no knowing yet if he might be compelled to continue on from JNH, or if it's decided he just does his own thing.<br><br>I'm happy that Geoff at the very least has a safe career at Disney, considering two of their recent live action successes has had him involved. However, considering I hear his recently work hasn't been his best, JNH likely would've benefited from returning to a world that had some of his best material after he wasn't given the opportunity to do so with Glass. As such, it really is a severely missed opportunity, even if newer blood is getting more opportunities.Just listening to this again. It really is a best of both score. What I think is so great, is that you can hear both of the brothers' own voice but they blend so well together!! Really really great score!<br><br>It's a really remarkable score, the swifts in tone between dramatic and jazz is top-notch. It's higher on favorite list from 2019 already, than I thought it would ever be.<br><br>Give me more Gregson-Williams brothers scores!!!!!!I was hoping for JNH, but we'll see what he does. JNH's themes were amazing zo it would be stupod not to use them. But he used the Pirates themes, so I'm feeling actually quite ok about itTrue, but he didnít really get credit for The Lone Ranger or any of the Pirates films other than #5... those are billed strictly as HZ scores. I would say Christopher Robin likely was a result of the success of his Pirates score, and Timothy Green wasnít really a Disney tentpole release. Maleficent isnít a Marvel or Star Wars level tentpole, but it is still a blockbuster film that I think heíll do an awesome job with.@Mephariel - youíre right. However Interstellar and Inception, musically speaking, are simple scores. They are moving, beautiful, and masterpieces, but still simple. Which is great! <br><br>But if we are wanting Zimmer to return to a type of music, Iíd much rather prefer something along the lines of Pirates, The Rock, The Last Samurai, Crimson Tide, etc. Tonally, of course it would be more modern and new, but melodically a return to those forms would be a dream come true.
Geoff has done several other Disney projects besides Pirates 5.  (All Pirates movies since the first, Lone Ranger, Christopher Robin, Odd Life of Timothy Green). And I have to say that I would rather JNH return for the sequel, as that would allow him to expand on his fantastic score for the first film.@George<br><br>To be fair, Interstellar is a genuine masterpiece score and maybe one my favorite score of all time, but I am not sure when Nolan will allow Zimmer to return to that type of scoring. <br><br>Hell, Time is my favorite cue ever, but again, I am not sure if Nolan is interested in that kind of music anymore.  <br><br>I guess we will see with Tenet. And yes, I absolutely think GŲransson can be a future star in the making and if anyone is allow write his or her own "Time" cultural moment, it may as well be him.@mephariel @mpolonest123 - glad Iím not the only one whoís more excited for those compared to cold and dark Nolan/Zimmer scores. Iím kinda over those to be honest.And if Iím completely honest, Iím more excited by WW84, Spongebob, Top Gun, and Dark Phoenix than another potential Nolan collab.@mephariel <br>I can definitely see that, especially with King Arthur and Spiderverse. I do think his music adds a lot to the films he scores (Steve Jobs and Man From Uncle being two great examples) where he consistently switches up styles and tones to keep things fresh. Maybe not the strongest theme writer but I do love his approaches.
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The Hurricane Heist
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  1. Hurricane Heist (4:13)
  2. Brothers (4:11)
  3. The Compound (4:07)
  4. In On It (2:10)
  5. Back In Utah (1:40)
  6. Tower Down (4:53)
  7. Follow Me (2:29)
  8. Twist Of Fate (2:22)
  9. The Garage (1:39)
  10. Take The Fight To Them (2:35)
  11. The Rutledge Boys Go To Work (3:11)
  12. The Chase (1:50)
  13. Final Showdown (3:45)
  14. The Storm (3:01)
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Jean-Luc reply Replies: 3 || 2018-05-28 17:45:22
Everyone I have a question for y'all! Do you think Lorne Balfe is a good composer for disaster movies or fits with action movies or other genre.


Edmund Meinerts2018-05-28 18:49:25
I actually think Balfe is better at lighter movies, animations and dramas than he is at action. He's also pretty good with futuristic synthy stuff. Wish he would use a real orchestra more often though.


Jean-Luc 2018-05-28 22:49:20
True!


Mike2018-05-28 23:08:58
He recorded the score in Vienna . So itís a real orchestra . Sounds real to me but what do I know !!

FaresTdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-13 14:31:23
Did you hear something from Divergent Triology by junkie XL and joseph trapense? I mean the Storm Track...

Guzz reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-12 14:41:23
Lorne Balfe = Benicio del Toro?

superultramegaa reply Replies: 14 || 2018-03-11 01:51:20
Maybe Lorne should choose more projects like Ghost in the Shell. Something that allows him to incorporate more style and electronics, because these generic action movies are giving him nothing to work with. He seems to me like he would have been a great composer in the 80s. With synth mixed with a little bit of orchestral elements to give a more other worldly/ethereal feeling.

He should do more sci-fi video games and movies. That would probably allow him to incorporate that style more, and allow him to become more unique, and get away from Zimmer's shadow. Rather than copy RCP action music.


Peter2018-03-11 02:08:58
Iím totally confused with as a lover of the Media Ventures sound why does Balfe seems to get harsh criticism. It really seems there are a hand full of haters that seem to constantly wish to moan and bitch about him. Get over it idiots !!


Edmund Meinerts2018-03-11 12:03:22
Are we not allowed to be critical? Because if that's the case discussions are going to get very boring, very fast.


superultramegaa2018-03-11 13:35:42
My criticism wasn't harsh! I said I wanted him to get more projects that would allow his unique talents to shine through. I like Ghost in the Shell, and I think Lorne has a lot of potential with that type of score. That is all I'm saying! How in any way is this bitch and moaning? Because I'm not on my hands and knees saying, "Oh Balfe, you bless us with your godly talent! May we please wash your feet Mr. Balfe? You are a god to your people!"


Olive2018-03-11 14:35:54
The same for Holkenborg. Tomb Raider was a shameful score.


rockhound2018-03-11 14:56:49
I would like to hear the orchestral Lorne Balfe more often. IRONCLAD is his best so far. An orchestral/Synth Mix is nothing original anymore.


mpolonest123 2018-03-11 15:02:09
@rockhound
Have you not heard Beyond Two Souls or Blackwood? Lorne is probably one of the best when it comes to orchestral/synth mixes. The issue is when he works with directors with zero musical knowledge. Same with Junkie XL.


rockhound2018-03-11 15:15:52
I have both scores and i like them alot, but i dont want to hear just synth/orchestral scores. Ironclad was something unique for Lorne. I really wish he would compose more often in that style.


Olive2018-03-11 15:38:34
I dare say Holkenborg's mistake was much more glaring than Balfe's. Hurricane is a film derived from the rapturous series of Fast and Furious. There is no way to stand out. XL, on the other hand, had "cool" material, the "convenience" of working with a studio that is investing a lot of work on this Tomb Raider reboot and it delivers one of the worst works of his career. It's at least revolting. XD


Hybrid Soldier2018-03-11 16:16:12
Have you actually seen The Hurricane Heist ?

I have, 2 weeks ago, it's a pretty lame movie.


Lorne's score just does what's asked. I find the Brothers theme cool though... :)


mpolonest123 2018-03-11 16:27:43
@olive
The only reason I disagree is that the film (Tomb Raider) hasnít been released yet. The trailers look atrocious, and it definitely seems like the film isnít going to be any better, much like what happened with Assasins Creed. Hopefully itís good of course, but if it isnít at least we will get an idea of why the score sounds the way it does.

@rockhound
Iíll take a listen to Ironclad, you got me interested. And I do agree, I donít want to see any composer pigeonholed in one style. Itís just that Lorne is so great at working with that particular sound.


Olive2018-03-11 16:40:11
I know. But I'm referring to the material. As bad as the movie was, there was no way to do what he did. He did not even bother to create an exotic movie atmosphere that went beyond ethnic percussion. We have had previous films of the character and nothing has reached a point as low as what XL did. Another thing, not every bad movie has an obligation to have bad music. There are several examples out there. When this happens the composer clings more to the atmosphere of the film than the story itself. Pirate films, medieval wars, stereotyped archeologists and even bad fairy tales offer the composer the opportunity to work with a genre that opens many doors for creativity.


mpolonest123 2018-03-11 20:10:15
@olive
Exactly, some bad films have amazing scores (Chappie, Jupiter Ascending). So why do some bad films have awful score, like Tomb Raider or Hurricane Heist, when the composer has proven they can write excellent material for crap?

Trust me, itís not 100% the composers fault. Moreso what the director/producers demand for their films.


mpolonest123 2018-03-11 20:15:14
And can we please STOP acting like we arenít allowed to criticize! Iím one of the biggest Zimmer fanboys and even I will admit if I donít like something he did. Likewise if someone enjoys something universally hated, why canít they like it?

Example: Most people would disagree with me but I think The Social Network is a genius score. And I wouldnít argue if someone said they fucking hate it. Itís all personal preference.


MrZimmerFan2018-03-11 20:28:08
The only score i care from Reznor/Ross was Patriots Day, if it is that good

Ian reply Replies: 7 || 2018-03-11 02:16:36
I'm honestly not sure why this score is getting criticized so harshly. For context, I'm well aware Lorne recycles content (progressions, certain rhythms, etc) a ton - probably more than any RCP composer right now - but there's well enough original content to this for me to be genuinely impressed. I've listened to three full cues so far (the first, second, and last), and none of them have felt like obvious copies of existing work.


Andrew F2018-03-11 03:33:33
I agree - it seems some just want to bitch.They should shut up


Edmund Meinerts2018-03-11 12:10:18
Actually what we want is to have reasoned discussion and debate about music in which we are allowed to speak our minds and use arguments to back up our opinions. And since that's clearly not what you want, Andrew (or is it Andy? Andreas?), why don't you go start lorne-balfe.com instead where you can make all the no-criticisms-allowed rules you want, and see how well that goes.


Olive2018-03-11 16:52:28
Well, Tomb Raider, Wrinkle in The Time and ... Hurricane Heist are being criticized. The only one of the three that (MAYBE) may grow over time is "Wrinkle".


Olive2018-03-11 16:56:36
However I agree with @Ian that, in this case, we should be aware that the production of the film must have at least 65 percent of the responsability by the end result.


MrZimmerFan2018-03-11 17:58:16
I find Wrinkle a good score, but not too memorable and interesting. However, is true the worst of the three is Hurricane. And Tomb Raider, i liked it.


Olive2018-03-11 19:04:23
I find "Hurricane" less offensive than "Raider". My heart sank into a deep darkness with the first 4 tracks of "TR". But I'm okay with it now. ;)


MrZimmerFan2018-03-11 19:11:46
The problem isn't is offensive or not... ;D

Hurricane have is 'moments' (but I found MORE engaging Geostorm as for this type of score), but less interesting and very choppy and lazy. Tomb Raider (i am big fan of percussion, and maybe is for that) i founded more engaging, by myself. But that is maybe just me ;)

I am a guy who listen JFK by Williams and when i finish it, i put Unstoppable by HGW :p

FaresTdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-11 18:32:15
Come on people it just a movie and music it's not something that will make your life better (in the long term's) if you like it buy it if not keep it neither balfe nor production company need your love if the soundtrack did the job in movie balfe will tell you just "go F*** your S***, I get paid what you get?"...finally"who's am I to talk in the name of lorne":)

FaresTdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-11 11:55:00
Well am I hearing something from suicide squad by Steven price (track 1)..so far so good...

Mephariel reply Replies: 3 || 2018-03-10 07:41:57
Awful score. Balfe basically stitched together a bunch of RCP and Zimmer scores together and called it a day. I can even hear The Joker theme and Batman's two note theme...


MrZimmerFan2018-03-10 12:50:15
I put Geostorm instead


Anonymous2018-03-11 00:53:11
Of cause you do .Always a negative Lorne comment!


Olive2018-03-11 00:57:36
Add your own opinion here and care less about the criticism of others.

Olive reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-11 00:54:09
This score is a middle ground between "Tomb Raider" and "Wrinkle in the Time". It is not bad or annoying as the first, but it is even less original than the second. It's not bad or good. It is uninspiring wallpaper. I hope better things with Uprising!

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-09 23:27:29
... which is now solved...

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