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Anyone know of a proper chronological listing of this score? I tried cross-referencing it with the expanded listed here and made this:<br><br>01 Dublin, 1996<br>02 <br>03 <br>04 <br>05 Second Warning<br>06 Research<br>07 Driving<br>08 The Beating<br>09 Traynor Lies<br>10 Never Show Your Fear<br>11 Preparations<br>12 The Killing<br>13 Bad News<br>14 The Funeral<br>15 One More Day<br><br>But I have no idea where Conversations, First Warning, and Deceit goes, and I'm not sure if Traynor Lies and Driving are placed correctlyif you read my first sentence you can see I dismisded this rumor as crap<br>..................<br><br>Fair enough....But look back on the comment itself. It's kinda confusing. The way you wrote it created the illusion that Lorne not only ghostwrote the score, but he also dismissed it as crap. You didn't say "I dismissed the rumor". You said: "...a rumor stating that Lorne Balfe ghostwrote this score and dismissed it as crap." <br> <br><br>Anyway, moving on.....<br><br>Steve was interviewed a lot about The Last Knight and it's pretty obvious that he worked hard on that score. From the day they started shooting the movie. Was he supported by other composers? Absolutely. You can't score such a huge movie by yourself. Any composer who claims that is lying.<br><br>So there's nothing shocking or surprising about the fact that other composers were involved here. As for them being "Lorne's people"......well, considering how MV/RC-related composers work and how interconnected everything is, the "Lorne guys" could very well be friends with Steve too and perhaps he simply brought them on board. Or they were recommended by Lorne. It certainly doesn't mean that there was this top secret plan of them and Lorne actually ghostwriting the entire score. I still wonder tho......how do these rumors even come up? Who spreads them? And why? I ask because this is not the first time I've heard rumors about Zimmer scores and Jablonsky scores. It's always these two guys. Which happen to be two of the most prominent and popular MV/RC guys. Coincidence? Not to sound like a conspiracy nut, but it kinda makes me think that someone is intentionally trying to undermine the biggest MV/RC names by constantly throwing shade at their work."Deserving" is a word that doesn't exist in Hollywood, so stop thinking that way... lolThe problem I have with Junkie XL scoring Avatar is just that there are so many RCP composers better or more deserving. You have Zimmer, Powell, Gregson-Williams, Mancina, Jackman, Wallfisch...it is just so wrong to think Junkie XL is scoring Avatar and none of those guys are.I think that Tim Miller played a greater role in case of Terminator and Sonic. And I really don't see Junkie as good choice for Avatar 2.
@Edmund <br>I still stand by my opinion that Holkenborg scoring Avatar 2 could be pretty interesting. Pairing him up with a director who is known to be strict with his musical choices and continuing on from James Horner’s classic might produce something really good. And seeing his gradual progress as a composer with Mortal Engines and Alita have personally given me some hope (2 years ago I would have said hell no).<br><br>And I’m not surprised by the choice for T6. Not looking forward to this project at all but we did get a cool score from Balfe for the last one so maybe there is some hope for the music at least.I think Terminator is a decent match for JXL's talents (listen to "The March" from Divergent), but this feels like further evidence that James Cameron is grooming him for Avatar 2, which I really hope ends up not being the case.Yes, Tom will be scoring the new Terminator movieChill out Bayhem, if you read my first sentence you can see I dismisded this rumor as crap.<br>But seeing people from his team ivolved and considering the fast and furious situation, I can’t help but wondering if there’s some truth to that rumor.<br>Now for a guy talking about haters, saying that Lorne scores 36million projects and B movies (forgetting mission impossible) I think you’re pushing it a bit.<br>Anyway no hate I don’t care who wrote it I’m just curious about the behind the scenes stuff.You're reaching there a bit Bayhem, I see no one in this thread trying to undermine Steve's work or the score. Hell the first poster was just asking if Lorne worked on it and if so, to what extent. And the "rumor comment" is a logical extension of Lorne's whole regular team being credited on the score, therefore it is possible that he did additional work on it.
Again a "rumor" comment that's trying to undermine Steve's work. And in this case, an entire score. Lorne fans, please stop trying to constantly undermine other composers in favor of your guy. It's childish and extremely disrespectful. You've done it multiple times on these boards. What's next? You gonna claim that Lorne secretly scored the entire Transformers franchise? And Lord of the Rings. And Harry Potter. <br><br>Seriously, it's getting really old, really fast. <br><br>Not to mention the fact that Steve, as a composer, is much, much more experienced and established than Lorne. He's got nothing to prove. Steve takes his time when it comes to scoring. He's choosing carefully. He's got more than enough time to focus on his projects. While Lorne's name is attached to 30 million different projects, some of them cheap B-movies like Hurricane Heist. And you think he's scoring them all by himself? The irony of it all is that if anyone is using ghostwriters most of the time, it's Lorne. Not Steve. And I'm saying that as a Lorne fan as well. I'm not just a Jablonsky fan. I appreciate Lorne's work as well. But I'm not undermining other composers in favor of him.Bay has Lorne scoring his films now cause they established a relationship on 13 Hours, and Bay didn't even want Lorne for that; he wanted Hans but he didn't want to go through the exhausting process of another Bay blockbuster so he brought in Lorne instead.<br>And even then, Hans still worked together with Lorne very closely on the project (Hybrid said he was there for all the meetings, helped with synth programming, etc)Of cause Balfe worked on it .That is why Bay now uses Balfeyou can absolutely hear the 13 hours temp track in Battlefield and We Have to GoNot to mention that Steve and Lorne structure their power anthems differently.<br>To me this score sounds like 100% Steve
I wouldn't say so, Lorne stacks his ostinatos and rhythms on top of each other (see Blackwood, Last Man on the Moon) and shotguns piano writing all over his scores in addition to using it for almost any kind of emotional scene (see Manny, Duck Shoot, Brothers Theme from Hurricane Heist)Well, if all we're using to distinguish Lorne is ostinatos and piano writing, then in that case, he's all over this film!The interesting thing is, that if Lorne did work on it, his work is indistinguishable from Steve's cause I hear none of his ostinatos or extensive piano writing.@Hybrid, a while ago I saw a rumor stating that Lorne Balfe ghostwrote this score and dismissed it as crap.<br>But looking at the credits I see some people from his team have been involved( his assistant Queenie Li as music coordinator, and Max Aruj and Steffen Thum did arrangements..)<br>Do you know why and to which extent he was involved or why his team worked on the score?This little gem of a score is one of my favourites of Lorne's smaller projects.<br>Got a great main theme and varying instrumentations of it throughout, plus he's using a real orchestra which is always good. (Check out The Heist, very upbeat jazzy piece)
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Sherlock Holmes - A Game Of Shadows (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 159'25
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  1. Open (2:54)
  2. Street Fight (0:58)
  3. Auction Room (3:37)
  4. At The Restaurant (3:33)
  5. Coffee, Tobacco & Cocoa Leaves (2:20)
  6. Web Of Conspiracy (2:24)
  7. Web To Car (0:56)
  8. Drive (1:20)
  9. Meet Mycroft (1:10)
  10. Meet Simza (3:30)
  11. Fight With A Cossack (Part 1) (0:30)
  12. Fight With A Cossack (Part 2) (3:10)
  13. To The Wedding (0:34)
  14. Wedding (1:14)
  15. Moran (0:40)
  16. Holmes Confronts Moriarty (3:22)
  17. Honeymoon Begins (0:50)
  18. Train Opening (2:30)
  19. Implementation (1:02)
  20. No Accident (1:58)
  21. Holmes Plan (1:01)
  22. Mycroft Saves Mary - On To France (2:22)
  23. Find The Fortune Teller (2:59)
  24. Gypsy Fortress (1:18)
  25. Romanian Wind (2:08)
  26. Mycroft Is Naked (0:38)
  27. To Paris, Ravache & The Opera (1:43)
  28. Ravache (1:18)
  29. Imperator (1:49)
  30. To The Opera (4:25)
  31. Paris Bombing Investigation (1:35)
  32. Consider What We Know (2:16)
  33. Outro (0:57)
  34. Holmes Captured By Moran (4:05)
  35. Holmes Tortured (4:41)
  36. Escape The Factory (4:47)
  37. Forest Battle (2:01)
  38. Watson Revives Holmes (2:23)
  39. We're Going Home... Via Switzerland (0:34)
  40. We Don't Know What He's Planning (1:51)
  41. Cosmetic Surgery (4:46)
  42. Chess Match (5:51)
  43. Little Red Book (4:10)
  44. Pre Vis Finale (2:25)
  45. Memories Of Sherlock (2:17)
  46. Case Re-Opened (2:58)
  47. Moriarty Suite (13:34)
  48. Mycroft Suite (1:51)
  49. Did You Kill My Wife (Idea) (2:57)
  50. He's All Me Me Me (Idea) (2:09)
  51. Shush Club #1 (Source) (5:48)
  52. Shush Club #2 (Source) (3:54)
  53. Shush Club #3 (Source) (4:32)
  54. Beautiful Eyes (Source) (2:13)
  55. Open (Alternate) (3:29)
  56. Drive (Alternate) (3:38)
  57. Fight With A Cossack (Part 2) (Alternate) (3:12)
  58. Holmes Tortured - Die Forelle (Alternate) (3:42)
  59. Little Red Book (Alternate Ending) (0:52)
  60. Memories Of Sherlock (Alternate) (2:13)
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HunterTech reply Replies: 0 || 2018-07-16 04:33:18
So I've finally decided to give this a listen today, and it was a lot of fun! The general quirkiness, source cues that actually benefit the score, and one of the best themes that I've heard from Zimmer in Moriarty certainly make this one a keeper. A lot of people barp on the OST, but it certainly made me interested to hear the music in a better form. I'll probably have to listen to it again before forming a definitive opinion, but as is, it managed to actually live up to the hype.

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 1 || 2018-06-09 13:25:40
So am I right in thinking that the "Shadows" cues on the album are a combination of "Moriarty Suite" with "Chess Match"? Those two run 19:25 together, and the Shadows cues are 18:17, so if you factor in the OST's 8% speed increase it could fit. I ask because those two cues are missing from the sessions leak and I'm trying to put together as complete an album as I can (shame two such important cues weren't included in the leak so as to have them at the right speed and pitch, I can slow it down myself but it still doesn't sound quite "right").


mpolonest123 2018-06-09 15:36:22
They are, although the first 2 minutes of “Chess” seem to be a mix of the complete Moriarity Suite and possibly “Holmes Captured by Moran”

Bibi reply Replies: 0 || 2018-06-07 15:29:41
THIS is the score I was looking for ! Finally... after 6 years lol

Poe reply Replies: 1 || 2018-05-18 04:34:41
Why is Romanian Wind not sequenced after Case Re-Opened? Is not the former 7M48 and the latter 7M47?


Medigo2018-05-18 10:11:09
Probably for chronological purposes
even though the movie uses a shortened version of Romanian Wind at that time

thearmusicgroup reply Replies: 0 || 2018-05-16 08:15:56
Just listening to the first three tracks, it reminds me of how disappointed I was when the OST first released. This is one of my favorite scores by Zimmer, so this is like discovering it all over again!

Hari Haran reply Replies: 1 || 2018-05-16 01:21:55
Man, what is it with Hans and expanded releases? Between this and Batman v Superman earlier this year, it's like discovering one goldmine after the other. :D


badbu2018-05-16 07:18:40
hahahah so true :D

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 9 || 2018-05-13 17:51:09
So happy these are finally out!

Alongside At World’s End, this is not only one of Zimmer’s best sequel scores but one of his best scores in general. Between the Moriarity theme(s), the Romanian Gypsy influence, and all of the new ideas thrown in you really get a sense that Zimmer put a lot of heart into this one. And that train fight sequence? Definitely on par with the 18-minute action cue from Sherlock 1.

It’s also pretty cool to see the evolution of Moriarity’s theme start off all proper and composed, only to gradually disintegrate as the music progresses. By “Pre-Vis Finale” the theme is boiled down to only three notes. There is so much genius here, and the score never resorts to temping in numerous cues from the first film to pad it out (here’s looking at you TDKR/On Stranger Tides).

Honestly, I still can’t understand why the album was such a mess? Between the pitch being off to missing important cues, that release was a disgrace. Now, if I had a major complaint with the score, it’s that Simza never receives a proper theme. You have the gypsy sound for her, but no established identity.


kingfannypack is the MILFcommander2018-05-13 18:50:12
Hans' goes over this score a lot in his Masterclass, you can tell it's something he is very proud of. Rightly so!


Mike (OTM)2018-05-14 03:30:56
This is a pretty good score. I look forward to digging into it properly.


mpolonest123 2018-05-14 03:42:11
The alternate “Fight With A Cossack” track is pretty cool, I can see where they got the beat for the remix album track. As for the unreleased material, I really love “Paris Bombing Investigation”, something about that cue....


Mike (OTM(2018-05-14 21:15:55
Out of curiosity, what are some of the things he says about this score in the Master Class? I have no reason to spend money on it, cause I'm not an aspiring composer, but he doesn't talk about this particular score in interviews much...


Mephariel2018-05-14 22:50:20
He used some of the footage with the music as an example of creating the right tempo for a score. He also demonstrated the composition experimentation and work process he went through as he created the score's music diary.


Mikefilm82018-05-15 00:03:49
Is Balfe mentioned in the masterclass ?


Mephariel2018-05-15 00:19:36
I don't think so. I can't remember him mentioning other RCP composers (he didn't mention John Williams a couple of times I think). He mostly talked about directors not other composers.


mpolonest123 2018-05-15 01:42:13
He uses the Moriarity Suite (Tick Tock) to show how he uses his workstation to come up with ideas and assemble the music...


lol2018-05-15 09:11:36
sorry, the best sequel score?
TDK and Angels & Demons would like to have a word with you
lol

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 0 || 2018-05-14 03:32:24
That Train Opening cue is ferocious. I love it.

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 0 || 2018-05-13 18:24:35
Kudos and thanks for sharing the complete score list, Soldier!

NM reply Replies: 1 || 2018-05-13 18:16:41
Thanks! Hybrid, did Hans write "Chess" as a suite and they fit the scene around it?


Medigo2018-05-13 18:18:54
the complete red book track is also not there, but it does have the film version of the outro

Felix reply Replies: 0 || 2018-05-13 16:51:23
Finally!!!

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