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Looks like Lorne kept some of Kraemer’s material for this one. Gotta love thematic consistency...
George
2018-07-14 04:44:43
The first two tracks are good, then it gets a bit generic for awhile... but once you get to I Am The Storm, the rest of the score is amazing. I love it.
mpolonest123
2018-07-14 14:32:26
Initially I was disappointed that the style was a complete 180 from Rogue Nation (which is an incredible score), but I find myself liking the music more and more with each listen. Imagine Fury Road, Inception, and Mission Impossible thrown into a blender and you get this.
mpolonest123
2018-07-14 14:33:29
Lorne also uses Saito’s motif from Inception almost verbatim...
isildur
2018-07-14 15:35:52
Stairs and Rooftops is kick ass. What are those drums used in this? They are used throughout the score.
mpolonest123
2018-07-15 16:26:13
One thing I can definitely say about this is, while the instrumentation sounds synthetic most of the time (something in most Balfe scores) there is more energy in the 95 minutes on album than most action scores nowadays, probably the most since Fury Road.
And of course the “traditionalists” are really hating it, which means it must work wonders in context.
Peter
2018-07-15 19:53:51
The purists than keep moaning missing Joe Kramer have not got a clue.they are living in the past and not thinking about the film.Fallout sound big and Epic and watching the HALO jump scene the music works perfectly .The reviewers have raved about the score and the film makers think at the best score from the franchise .
Iamtommie
2018-07-15 20:13:34
I think most people listen to this score with a Rogue Nation kind of movie in their heads. But it's a very different kind of movie en the score works perfectly in the movie i.m.o.
mpolonest123
2018-07-15 21:12:07
Right, which is why I’m ok with this. Look, I love the score for Rogue Nation as much as everyone else, but I still kept an open mind and was surprised that I enjoyed Fallout as much as I did, regardless of the influences.
Iamtommie
2018-07-15 22:46:37
I actually always listen to a new score with an open mind. If I start expecting something and the score doesn't sound like it or doesn't have a certain thing in it I will always be dissappointed. If I don't expect anything and it turns out a score is a dissappointment, it's not such a big deal.
For example: A lot of people wanted/expected a lot of individual hero themes in Infinity War. I didn't think it was necessary and I'm absolutely in love with the score.
And in the cause of reprising themes from 30+ different character in a score of 2 hours would have been chaos. If you're talking about LOTR and themes, that's different story. Those scores were almost all 3 or 4 hours.
But all and all. I don't think this is a better score than RN, but I don't think it's a bad score. It fits the movie, and I think that's what a score is all about
Marco
2018-07-15 23:08:43
None of Kraemer’s music is reused! Thematic consistency says what?
HunterTech
2018-07-16 02:54:18
Um.....guys, why are we acting like Kraemer doesn't have the skill to do a different sort of score? I'm fairly positive Jack Reacher doesn't sound anything like RN. Really, the reason he wasn't brought in was because, apparently, McQuarrie was pissed that he was overruled in how he wanted the film to sound, so be deliberately chose not to hire him this time. Purely a thing of spite. And a lot of the disappointment lies in those who normally don't pay attention to film music, which shows just how special that particular score was.
Really, I'm confident that had McQ had his way this time, and with Kraemer on board, he would've made something that did fit the new tone of the film. Composers should be able to challenge themselves to do something that is out of their comfort. Which is likely why a lot of Zimmer scores are the way they are, since he's allowed to differentiate every once and a while.
As is, with this logic, Cruise should not have hired McQ again if he wanted a different kind of movie for Fallout.
antovolk
2018-07-16 09:48:01
@HunterTech - McQ said at every opportunity that a condition of his coming back would be making MI Fallout as if a different director was doing it. Which is why he got a new DoP, new composer, new costume designer etc
HunterTech
2018-07-16 11:04:50
So.......why not get a new director then? I admire his efforts in trying to attempt something different for every sequel, but he's eventually gonna get tired if he keeps coming back. Plus, there's been evidence that surfaced to suggest that there was a very specific reason in Kraemer not returning, which don't necessarily contradict what McQ is saying here.
Despite all this, I'm very excited for Fallout as a whole. I've been able to enjoy films with disappointing scores before (*cough*BR2049*cough*).
antovolk
2018-07-16 14:45:14
@HunterTech - because Cruise and the studio *really* wanted him back after Rogue Nation's success, despite the producers' initial plan for the franchise being to have each entry done by a different director. Hence, McQuarrie's condition that he'll be back as long as he does a completely different film.
And context is important because once you realise the *film itself* is heavily influenced by Nolan with a big dash of Fury Road-esque building action momentum, then the decision to have Balfe on board and the score to sound all Zimmer/RCP as opposed to more symphonic a-la Kraemer/Giacchino makes sense.
Emile
2018-07-16 21:58:28
Balfe haters will hate this !!!
But it’s amazing .
It’s emotional then EPIC!
superultramegaa
2018-07-16 22:05:55
^^
For the sake of fairness, I think the admins should delete both the guys spamming the thread with whining, as well as the Balfe-bots spamming the thread with positivity while simultaneously denouncing "haters." (This does not apply to most people in the thread, but you know who I mean.)
Hybrid Soldier
2018-07-16 22:12:22
This place is not exactly a democracy, if something is not of my liking I get rid of it. Plain & simple.
AndrewP
2018-07-17 01:53:18
So if I say I love the score and it’s amazing then I’m a bot !!!!!!!!! What a rediculois theory
superultramegaa
2018-07-17 04:05:04
...that response only made you look more suspicious, as it was so pre-programmed feeling.
MrZimmerFan
2018-07-18 11:22:59
It's the first action score by Balfe i didn't hate this year, thank god!
It's not the best thing in years, but is a fun action score (Free Fall and Escape Through Paris, are good action tracks), plus, altough is 96 minutes, never get bored
MichaelP
2018-07-19 23:17:45
I asked Balfe on Facebook if he used any of Kraemers theme and he said no
Mephariel
2018-07-20 02:10:39
I believe him as I didn't hear anything from Kraemer.
ThePhantasm
2018-07-20 06:32:49
Say what you want about Balfe but he's a really nice guy, and always answers my questions on FB and others on twitter.
George
2018-07-20 06:47:42
I agree! He actually invited me to come to a recording session in London for this film, man it killed me that I couldn’t afford to go. But I was so thankful he even thought to ask! Top notch guy.
mpolonest123
2018-07-20 14:25:05
I could have sworn I had heard the Solomon theme and some of the same Chords that Kraemer had used... My mistake lol
And Balfe does seem like a genuinely nice person. Hell he even takes the time to put out unreleased music, not something most composers do. That is exactly why I hate when people take personal jabs at composers (usually at Junkie XL for some reason). It’s fine to not like the music, everyone has different tastes, but don’t criticize a composer for writing what he was asked to write.
Olive
2018-07-21 02:28:17
Badelt's "Solomon"?
This must be the "famous" Dark Knight reference that the "critics" are talking about.
Why is people saying that Balfe kept some original music from Kraemer? I have listened to the whole score and I didn't found any quotes. Maybe in The Syndicate there is some kind of reference to Kraemer's theme but I don't really know.
And I have to say that I was expecting Balfe to shine on this one, but I ended up disappointed. There are some great action cues, and I like some things he does with the main theme like the use of choir, but the score as a whole feels like a reuse of many things I have already heard and ends up feeling repetitive and a bit boring. And note that this is my opinion so don't jump into my neck saying this is the best score in the saga, because I think Rogue Nation is a really big step above this. I hope that at least it works in the context of the movie, which I suppose it does really well...
I keep listening to "The Syndicat", which is what I assume to be the theme for The Syndicate. Honestly one of the better villain themes i've heard in a while
Hats off to Hybrid Soldier dealing with all you ungrateful cancerous rude spammers. This was a good score IMHO, but if you didn't like it then try to give constructive criticism. But I guess acting like an inebriated ape with a laptop is easier
I created a suite of what I believe are the best cues on the album, and attempted to make some interesting variations with the cues themselves in terms of transitions and such. Tracks included are Fallout, The Exchange, Escape Through Paris, Stairs and Rooftops, Free Fall, and Mission: Accomplished. Feel free to check it out, it helps make the whole score feel more melodic in my opinion!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCioYxbgNsqFhZ15onqcTlFA/vid eos
Once again, and not for the first time on this site, I can't help get the feeling that a Lorne Balfe score page is getting brigaded. Seems like every time he puts a new score out, a bunch of people flock to the page with glowingly positive comments (and brooking not even the slightest criticism), frequently from irregular users with very generic names who don't ever post in threads by other composers. And then using weak, tired arguments like "the reviewers love it" (I trust film reviewers on scores about as far as I can throw them) or "Tom Cruise said it's the best" (and since when is Cruise an authority on film scoring?) or "this is a new/modern/DARK M:I movie" (no excuse for a bad score). It feels, quite frankly, like shilling.
Disclaimer: haven't actually heard the score, I'm making no judgment on the music itself here. This is merely an observation of the posting patterns here.
George
2018-07-15 22:25:05
No offense, Edmund, but if you haven’t listened to it then don’t make a judgement call on those of us that like it. Fallout in my opinion is the only really good RCP blockbuster score this year, and I’m going to voice my opinion on that. Pacific Rim, Tomb Raider, wrinkle in time, and Skyscraper have all been disappointments for me so when this surprisingly came out two weeks early, and I surprisingly liked it, then of course I’m going to “flock over” and tell you all about how I feel.
Reviewers liking it is fun for those of us that like it. Tom cruise, who actually IS known to like film scores and has been to concerts for film scores (like Brian Tyler, even though I’m not crazy about him), liking it is also exciting for those of us that like this score and also for us who were excited to hear an updated RCP take on Mission Impossible. I root for all the RCP composers to succeed and create something memorable, and when others seem to like that too then I’m going to comment on it.
Whether it was Lorne Balfe, Henry Jackman, Ramin Djawadi, or Hans himself who scored this I would have been one of the first to tell you all if I liked it. And if I hated it I would also have voiced my disappointment... but simply put I was not disappointed and I’m glad that others are liking it, including reviewers and Tom Cruise.
SamualPF
2018-07-15 22:38:25
Edmund ........
Yet again another negative comment about Balfe based on no fact . Sums you up really . The fact Tom Cruise who has produced the franchise has said he thinks is the best means something .we all get it that you don’t like his music but simply contain yourself for always wanting to make pointless comments about him .
The reviews have been amazing for he filmmand Balfes scores . This may irritate you but at least watch the film and listen to the score then give a proper opinion.give it a go
Edmund Meinerts
2018-07-15 23:23:28
SamualPF - there people go again misconstruing my comments about some of the posters here as negative comments against Balfe or his music. I didn't say anything about the score. But sure, keep pushing that agenda.
George, you make fair, well-articulated points and for what it's worth, I never included you among those who have, shall we say, aroused my suspicions. I'm looking forward to checking out the score for myself and rest assured I'll give it a fair shake when I do. I've liked plenty of Balfe scores in the past, I swear I'm not a hater! :p
Meta
2018-07-16 01:02:33
Meh on this one...Listening to it doesn't really do much for me. Maybe because I dont care for Cruise, or MIssion Impossible, or maybe because I already heard better from Inception and Fury Road....
HunterTech
2018-07-16 02:28:00
Hot take: Cruise saying that Fallout is the best score in the franchise is the equivalent of Danny Elfman saying there is only one Batman theme. Just marketing tricks to get one more excited.
Me personally, the general M:I sound isn't something I tend to get excited for, though I definitely acknowledge it's objectively well done. With M:I-2 though, while it's technically dated and incredibly cheesy, I admire it for those reasons, and is incredibly fun for me. Not to mention that the Spanish guitar is a lovely touch, and Injection is proof that there is more to Zimmer than some might think.
Balfe as a composer, to me, seems like tbe sort of guy who's told to get synth that fit the film well enough, and call it a day. Sure, there's one or two scores that go above and beyond to actually be something of note, but otherwise he's among the least interesting of the RCP bunch. Feel free to feel however you want, but that's my two cents.
It's frustrating that you have to deal with some of the touchier fans Edmund, but I'll admit that I do get a laugh everytime it happens. I love music, but I don't feel the need to get overly defensive about. I would just enjoy it and leave it like that.
superultramegaa
2018-07-16 03:00:18
Y'know, up until recently, I also thought Lorne was one of the least interesting RCP composer next to Junkie XL. Then I listened to Genius: Picasso (because of that one Balfe troll's recommendation interestingly enough), and now I see enormous potential in him. That is one of the most interesting television scores I've heard so far. The orchestrations and overall complexity is an enormous achievement for Lorne and shows that he can do much more than generic sample composition.
I'll probably skip this score because I have no interest in Mission Impossible, but I have a lot more interest in Balfe's career now thanks to his work on Genius: Picasso. If he continues on that level of composing, he may actually get some notoriety.
Mephariel
2018-07-16 06:18:28
I can't agree with Genius: Picasso. I like the score, but it doesn't have enough direction. Just a lot of soundscaping. It is like the score is just there.
Balfe has this same problem with a lot of his scores.
I am so tire of people claiming Balfe has potential. It is like a basketball fan constantly claiming that Player X is two years away from being two years away. Every year people say Balfe is going to do something great. I am still waiting for this. That said, I haven't listened to MI:6 yet.
This is ultimately one of Lorne's greatest film scores since Hans Zimmer's M:I II.
Mike
2018-07-14 16:44:08
Have to agree .I saw the movie a couple of days ago and the music is simply perfect. Best movie of the year also. Balfe has created the best of the mission soundtracks .Tom Cruise sure was right
trent easton navarro
2018-07-14 17:30:14
But Lorne had nothing to do with M:i 2, so how can this be his best score since that one?! This makes no sense whatsoever!!
HunterTech
2018-07-14 18:01:08
I believe he meant to say series wide, which in his mind, seems to only amount to the RCP entries and nothing else. In which, yeah, I guess Balfe adapted to the modern sound well then.
ThePhantasm
2018-07-14 19:12:38
I'm really digging it, i like what he did it felt different just like MI 2 did. I loooooooove Free Fall, escape through paris, stairs and rooftops.
Alex
2018-07-14 22:12:58
T-Mann you nailed it !
CAN NOT WAIT to see the film . The fact Tom Cruise says Balfes score is the best in the franshise is a sign.he should know
Nah, this is not great at all. Granted, there is some effort here in instrumentation and composition but it is still so cheap and just dull to do anything much. Some of the samples still make this sound like a Randy Edelman score from 1993 (is this what a modern score sounds like)
Cruise must be loosing it if he thinks the propaganda drive to talk up this cheap effort helps the promotion of the film.
T-Mann036
2018-07-14 18:59:03
I disagree. Cruise is truthfully being thankful to Balfe's composed work on his picture.
Why do I have the feeling that most of the people who say that they think Fallout is the best score haven't actually bothered with the previous ones? I don't mean for all my posts about the score to be so critical, but you mean to tell me that it only took this 20+ year franchise to suddenly have its best music? Like, I can understand if most of the soundtracks for the films don't stick out much as a whole, but they each do at least have their stand out moments. Hell, I feel like Rogue Nation is one of the few modern scores that have actually stuck with people. So I'm a bit peeved by the attitude some have had for a while that Balfe was the *only* guy with dignity to tackle the music of the franchise, when the previous entries were done by very capable people (including Zimmer himself).
However, I should perhaps be fair here. For most of the series, it is reliant on the classic sound of the original series, with 2 being the exception. So to now have an entry that sounds more like the sort of music that a lot of the people on this website listen to would be very exciting. And in that respect, I think that it certainly does its job. Despite my own complaining, I do think it's good to shake things up every once and a while. It's just that I think that for my money, M:I-2 and Rogue Nation certainly did it better.
people complaining should at least watch the film or understand the context - the movie itself feels very different from Rogue Nation and people weren't kidding about the Fury Road comparisons. A more RCP-sounding take on the material therefore was very well suited
HunterTech
2018-07-14 17:10:43
Well, a lot of people here only have the music itself to judge at the moment, so I think it's fair for people to critique it as a stand-alone product.
1. A Storm Is Coming (1:12) 2. Your Mission (2:14) 3. Should You Choose to Accept… (2:34) 4. The Manifesto (1:44) 5. Good Evening, Mr. Hunt (4:19) 6. Change of Plan (5:47) 7. A Terrible Choice (2:54) 8. Fallout (1:30) 9. Stairs and Rooftops (6:00) 10. No Hard Feelings (4:20) 11. Free Fall (4:14) 12. The White Window (4:42) 13. I Am the Storm (2:07) 14. The Exchange (5:54) 15. Steps Ahead (1:02) 16. Escape Through Paris (5:05) 17. We Are Never Free (6:57) 18. Kashmir (4:29) 19. Fate Whispers to the Warrior (3:54) 20. And the Warrior Whispers Back (3:56) 21. Unfinished Business (1:49) 22. Scalper and Hammer (5:10) 23. The Syndicate (6:00) 24. Cutting on One (3:42) 25. The Last Resort (2:55) 26. Mission: Accomplished (1:15)
Jean-Luc
2018-07-13 21:26:10
Music By Lorne Balfe Additional Music By Nick Wollage Music Supervisor By Jill Streater Music score mixer By Stephen Lipson Orchestra contractor by Perry Montague-Mason & Sam Jones
Ds
2018-07-13 21:47:17
The album is already available to download from Amazon!
Andreas
2018-07-13 22:10:50
Damn nothing on itunes...
Bibi
2018-07-13 23:18:45
95mn !
...
2018-07-13 23:42:22
After having listened to 5 tracks I gotta say I'm disappointed. It is very bland, almost nothing happening in the music. I really hoped he would go all out orchestral here and write a score more along the lines of MI5 but still with a more modern influence.
ThePhantasm
2018-07-14 02:03:34
The opening track is nice and then it slows down for a bit, but it really picks up afterwards and I'm really really digging it. For those of you who hate the horn of doom sorry it's there but i don't mind it lol. Also Lorne did a really nice spin on the MI theme he used a masculine as hell choir lol i dig it.
From what I hear in the clips on YouTube the score sounds like elctronics & orchestra together. If it's a combi of MI 4 & 5, I would be happy.
Saurabh
2018-07-12 02:40:46
The music in the clips is the typical RCP generic processed sound that everyone lambasts them for. Hope that's not the case throughout for the rest of the duration of the score. Expected something more of a jazz + orchestral sound.
Mephariel
2018-07-12 07:06:34
I have zero expectation that this will be an inspired score.
ThePhantasm
2018-07-12 07:33:59
Sooooooo safe to say everyone in this site hates Henry Jackman and SPECIALLY Lorne Balfe. I personally liked what i heard, it's very different from a typical MI score. I strongly disliked what Lorne did with Pacific Rim, but MI sounds good. I'm honestly very excited for it
Iamtommie
2018-07-12 08:35:28
I have to admit that the last scores if Lorne Balfe have been a bit of a let down for me personally.
But I might be one of the few people who actually love Henry Jackman's score for the Cap films. And I can't stop listening to his most recent way of scoring in Kong & Jumanji. I think that classical but bit electronic style is very good!
MrZimmerFan
2018-07-12 11:46:29
The two recent efforts in blockbusters by Balfe or truly awful (Hurricane Heist) or infuriating dissapointing (Pacific Rim Uprising), but when you listen Picasso, are still hope for this year for Balfe.
Jackman would be a cool option (the two Kingsman are fun and terrific enjoyement, and Jumanji and Kong has a cool Silvestri vibe in it, am I of the few who cannot wait for The Predator?
mpolonest123
2018-07-12 15:43:01
I really don’t get the hate for Lorne. He definitely can be hit or miss (PR: Uprising was horrible) but I’ve seen far more hits from him than misses. Jackman is more of a serviceable type composer, but I’ve enjoyed a good chunk of his scores.
In terms of MI Fallout however, I am disappointed that they are going in a different direction than Rogue Nation’s music. That is probably the best music for the franchise so far.
Iamtommie
2018-07-12 16:20:56
I too can't wait for The Predator!
George
2018-07-12 23:04:00
Lorne did a short Facebook livestream and the guy who was with him, maybe his agent(?), said that last night Tom Cruise went up to Lorne and was gushing about how great the score was and how he thought it was the best of the franchise yet. Who knows how true that is but if true thats a big compliment coming from Tom Cruise, a known fan of film scores in general.
BrianP
2018-07-13 11:53:41
George - the person in the clip is Randy Spendlove who is the President of Music for Paramount . The fact Tom Cruise is saying it’s the best Mission Impossible score ever is a massive compliment to Balfe .
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