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So Zimmer being listed as the main theme composer at the top of the page is inaccurate too? It definitely sounds more like Lorne than Hans.h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch? v=sekmQqx OhWM<br><br>From the developers.<br><br>Producer: Hans Zimmer<br>Composer: Lorne Baffle<br>Symphony Orchestra: Chamber Orchestra of London<br>Recording Studio: Abbey Road Studio<br><br>Fun theme by Lorne.But maybe at that time he didn’t have that version yet (in his mind i mean)<br>But... the intensity was crazy!Everything is great, except one thing - he did not add that intense music that played on the train when there was a battle. Well maybe I missed something while listening the album.Zimmer = Lorne is your answer.
WAA WAA WAAAAAAAAWhat's with the credits here? Howard Shore? No Lorne Balfe?I genuinely was surprised that they went with Richter in the first place. <br><br>Literally just came out of the movie and I can’t believe such a dull and generic score could come from the names attached. What happened? Other than that beautiful almost sweeping string theme (that went nowhere) - there’s nothing. <br>I kept waiting for the music to peak and reach a hundred but it never did. <br><br>It’s no Interstellar, no First Man, no Gravity, not even The Martian.Link to said theme?The synth man creating a mostly synthesizer score? what a shock
...because that's what Hans doesMain theme is on Youtube. I quite like it. I prefer Hans doing themes like this rather than the stuff he is doing with FIFA.I'm surprised no one is talking about this one, its one of Rupert's best scores imo.Lately I have been listening to the album carefully, and the truth is that I did not quite understand why Hans did not just use a big orchestra instead of the synthesizer.It would have really been interesting to see Ritcher scoring a chase on the photo, although without a doubt his work would not have been anything generic.
Richter is a conceptual artist, I love his Leftovers score, but come one, scoring to picture ?<br><br>He writes pieces that are used in scenes, not the other way around...<br><br>Richter scoring a moon buggy chase ? Hell no... lol you could see from day one it was gonna be replaced...^ Yeah the edit floating around matches Felix’s almost to a T. Only major difference is <br><br>“Our Final Stand - Showdown - United Greece - Finale”<br><br>Which is broken up into four separate cues. Realistically you could edit it anyway you want if you prefer the smaller cues. Personally, I like the long suite-like format of this release. Kinda like the album release for “Event Horizon” lol.I hope they at least release Richter's score.My Edit:<br><br>01. Rise Of An Empire - Marathon - King Darius - Artemisia - Man To God - War (13:36)<br>= <br><br>M1A Rise of An Empire (09:48)<br>M1B From Man to God King (03:44)<br><br>02. Greek Council - Persian War Plan - Spartan Fight Training - Greek Conversation - Your Commander Is Greek (10:47) <br>=<br><br>M2 Greek Council (03:39)<br>M3 Greek Conversation (07:06)<br><br>05. Suicide - General Bandari - Circle Battle (7:30) <br>=<br><br>M6 Suicide/General Bandari (02:10)<br>M7 Circle Battle (05:16)<br><br>06. Sex - Fire Battle (12:04) <br>=<br><br>M10 Sex (05:36)<br>M11 Fire Battle (06:21)<br><br>11. Our Final Stand - Showdown - United Greece - Finale (16:08) <br>=<br><br>M15-17A Our Final Stand/Showdown Pt.1 (08:19)<br>M17B-19 Showdown Pt.2/Finale (07:37)I'm not really interested in Balfe's part of work, but it would be a big disappointment if Richter's work wouldn't released.<br><br>But I think there's a good chance that movie (and music in particular) get an Oscar nominations, so let's just hope for the best.
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Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 125'24
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  1. Prologue (1:51)
    Geoff Zanelli
  2. Father & Son (4:18)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  3. Nine Years Later - Devil's Triangle (3:23)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  4. Ghost Attack (4:48)
    Geoff Zanelli
  5. Confession (0:54)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  6. Chase Carina (1:18)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  7. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel! (3:31)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  8. Bank Heist (3:10)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  9. My Bank (0:13)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  10. No Longer Our Captain (1:34)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  11. You Speak Of The Trident (1:58)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil
  12. Washed Up Jack (0:33)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  13. Compass (2:43)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  14. Jack Arrested (0:30)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  15. Silent Mary Attacks Pirate Ship (0:44)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  16. Carina Writes On Wall (1:03)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  17. Henry Finds Jack (0:59)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  18. Message From Someone You Know (1:38)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  19. Barbossa In Cabin (3:04)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  20. Arrival To Execution Square - Guillotine (2:08)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  21. Kill The Filthy Pirate - Execution Square (4:18)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  22. Launch Of The Dying Gull (1:01)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  23. Unreasonable Direction (3:26)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  24. Bluffing & Blushing (1:29)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  25. Scarfield Wants The Trident - Jack & Henry (2:30)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer
  26. Science Or Superstition (0:47)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey
  27. Flashback (8:05)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  28. Horologist (1:22)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  29. Shark Attack (4:55)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  30. Can't Step On Dry Land (1:31)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  31. The Answer Is On That Ship (3:04)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  32. It's Your Wedding Day (0:34)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  33. Kiss The Bride (1:21)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  34. Double Cross The Dead - Release The Black Pearl (2:32)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  35. Ship Race A (0:43)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  36. Ship Race B (2:35)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  37. Orphan - The Brightest Star In The North (2:11)
    Geoff Zanelli
  38. The Trident Will Be Mine - Cannon Battle (7:45)
    Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)
  39. Black Rock Island - The Trident (5:07)
    Geoff Zanelli
  40. The Power Of The Sea (4:08)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  41. Treasure (5:43)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  42. My Name Is Barbossa (2:42)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  43. Reunion (3:39)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  44. Main On Ends (2:42)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  45. Flashback (Part 1 Alternate) (2:08)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis
  46. Shark Attack (Alternate) (4:55)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  47. Reunion (Alternate) (3:00)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  48. Reunion (Part 2 Alternate) (1:25)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
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David reply Replies: 11 || 2018-10-18 00:17:12
Surely there's more original Pirates of the Caribbean themes than just Hans Zimmer, no?! Klaus Badelt and Blake Neely are credited in the others so why aren't they here???


???2018-10-18 01:25:02
Because they each only wrote one theme and they weren't used in this movie. Almost all of the original themes were Hans' anyway, and those were used, so he's credited.


David2019-02-11 18:58:40
Are you sure??? Looking at their credits on the other scores I think they’re featured here


---2019-02-12 17:13:11
Yes. Blake's and Klaus' themes are not in this film, certainly. Klaus wrote the underwater march theme in the first film which isn't in this and Blake wrote a short curse theme in the first film which doesn't apply to this either. All the main themes were Hans' on the first.


Oscarilbo2019-02-12 21:34:56
So who wrote the Black Pearl Ship theme in the first Pirates, the one used in the "underwater march" cue? Was that Zimmer or Klaus? I thought that was Hans.


David2019-02-12 21:48:30
I agree with Oscarilbo!


---2019-02-13 00:43:24
This might help, it's Hans' original demo for the film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6wsGESeNjk

It has He's a Pirates and other themes in it.

The underwater march, right after "gents, take a walk!" was Klaus, but it's not used in Pirates 5!


Mike2019-02-14 18:23:46
I'm not saying this to insult David, but it's funny to me that even now, 16 years later, after so many clarifications from HZ and others, people still get confused because of the way POTC 1 got credited. All because Hans had to work on The Last Samurai (which is one of my favorite scores of his, so I guess it was worth the confusion).


David2019-02-14 19:01:59
Can’t insult me! I am genuinely curious. What’s this about The Last Samurai???


Mike2019-02-14 19:49:21
Hans was composing The Last Samurai while the first POTC was being made. He had promised Tom Cruise and Edward Zwick (might have even signed a contract) that he would only work on The Last Samurai and no other movies at that time. So while Hans agreed to write the POTC themes for Gore Verbinski, he wasn't allowed to be credited due to his obligations to the Last Samurai. So he wrote a few themes and then handed the score off to Klaus Badelt, who got the "name" credit on the score. But the whole score is really Klaus, Geoff Zanelli, Nick Glennie Smith, Ramin Djawadi, and a few others doing arrangements of the theme that Hans wrote (and Hans writing for a couple scenes incognito, like when Elizabeth first sees the skeleton pirates). Then Klaus did do the dark "Fog Bound/Underwater March" tune, as mentioned.


David2019-02-15 01:24:33
Oh wow! That’s all really interesting. So how much of the OST is really HAnS Zimmer then???


Mike2019-02-15 02:43:15
Oh man, that's a tough question...I haven't listened to Curse of the Black Pearl in a while.... He's credited on almost every track for themes used... "Fog Bound" is the big Klaus Badelt cue from that movie (the real, 5-minute one in the movie is pretty much all Klaus I believe).

But Hans appears almost everywhere in POTC 1. Sometimes it's arrangements of his themes by the other guys, sometimes it's parts of the tunes that he wrote put directly in like he wrote them... The following scenes are pretty much directly Hans, if I remember right (this is the list I'm referencing — but as you can see, Zimmer's name is almost everywhere hans-zimmer . com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1128):

3. Captain Jack Sparrow (Hans wrote the big theme here, as well as the Jack Sparrow stuff at the end)
8. Breaking the Chains (more Jack Sparrow theme...)
17. Boarding the Dauntless (Jack Sparrow theme...)
24. Moonlight Serenade (Zimmer said he wrote this scene like Cinderella walking into a Metallica concert)

Aaaaand a lot of the final fighting music is lifted directly out of the suite Zimmer wrote, so it's 90% him. But once again, his themes as arranged by other people appear everywhere. Hybrid can answer way more about all this than I can.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 3 || 2018-08-31 09:01:28
Father and Son - 9 Years Later....

Both of these are great! Most of the other unreleased material is pretty straightforward reprisals of Jack’s theme(s) and variations on Carina/Salazar.

Also, this confirms that Geoff used the motif for Barbossa from AWE/OST, I guess this is officially his theme now. (It’s in Jack Arrested/Barbossa in Cabin/Kiss The Bride)


mpolonest123 2018-08-31 09:04:14
And Blackbeard’s motif does return at 0:27 in “Double Cross the Dead”, pretty cool little detail. Geoff did a solid job with this score.


The Dude2018-09-15 13:56:23
Wait what did they use for barbossa in AWE?


mpolonest123 2018-09-15 14:13:05
It was a motif loosely related to Beckett which ended up getting repurposed for Barbossa in On Stranger Tides and here. To be fair the theme was used in conjunction with him during the Calypso cue. Judging by its placement throughout AWE I think it was meant to be a “betrayal” theme.

The Dude reply Replies: 0 || 2018-09-15 13:54:39
Now when the Hell will we be able to listen to the Full complete score. This is me saying take my money Disney and Zanelli.

em reply Replies: 3 || 2018-08-31 12:48:54
I like some of this soundtrack but it's really temp heavy.

The attempt to cover up the Beckett Death theme and the Blackbeard death themes (which itself is just a cover up of the Davy Jones tune) in "Treasure" is embarrassing. It just sounds like they're being played with the wrong notes.


Edmund Meinerts2018-08-31 13:36:19
Yeah it's not nearly as bad as On Stranger Tides, but you can definitely smell the temp at times. I especially hate that part of "Treasure". But at least it feels like a narrative and there are times when old material gets used in fresh ways, which is nice. Zanelli did an okay job here but if they ever do a Pirates 6 I would hope that whoever scores it can do so in a way that's not quite as cautious and beholden to the past as these last two scores have been. I don't mean dumping the themes and style entirely, of course not, but a bit more variety would go a long way.

Side note, a bit surprised how few solo Zanelli cues there are, but perhaps I shouldn't be - this is Pirates, after all...


mpolonest1232018-09-01 01:02:50
I feel like a big part of that (not just with the music but the films as well) is the studio trying to “play it safe” and stick to the successful formula they had with the OT. When Gore was at the helm you could feel the difference in tone and creativity. This last movie felt like a big budget fan film that completely missed the subtlety of the originals.

Now one BIG problem I have with this score. The mixing. While the music sounds more organic than the previous ones in terms of instrumentation, the sound is incredibly dry and even flat at points. The drums, for example, don’t have the same oomph or strength that you would get from a Hans score. There are even points where it sounds like it was recorded by a smaller orchestra. Not being familiar with Geoff Zanelli’s individual scores I’m not sure if this is a consistent issue with his mixing.


em2018-09-01 11:38:35
You might be onto something. Pirates doesn't work sounding "organic". It just exposes how simplistic a lot of the musical constructs are. Only At World's End really had some orchestral complexity going on, and they also had Steve Bartek doing orchestrations.

Curse Of The Black Pearl has a frenetic energy to it because it's such a rush job. Dead Man's Chest has a rock and roll vibe carrying it. On Stranger Tides sounds like an idea that was never finished - with the Spanish stuff.

This score is functional and good in places (and far superior to the crappy film it accompanies), but I agree the sound of it is really thin and lacking in punchiness. Even the end credits cue with the Carina theme doesn't really rouse. You get a fairly tepid trumpet flourish but there's no weight carrying what's a fairly basic tune.

I think Hans just has a stronger musical voice. With all the talk about "ghostwriters" etc. it's telling when people who've worked on his scores do their own and they often lack something.

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 0 || 2018-08-31 14:22:24
Now THAT is one but kickin' cover. And Furthermore, Geoff has done a great job filling in for Hans in composing the fifth Pirates of the Caribbean picture.

David reply Replies: 3 || 2018-08-31 07:11:21
Awesome score!!


Andreas2018-08-31 08:56:28
Finally it's out! The collection is complete again.


Medigo2018-08-31 10:08:09
Still missing some awesome stuff from POTC2


Iamtommie2018-08-31 11:56:26
And 2 tracks from POTC 3 are still missing

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