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I seriously don't understand why they didn't do two separate releases like most musicals do (La La Land comes to mind - perfect release). <br><br>A soundtrack album and a score album. No missing tracks, no fuss. And optional 2-CD set containing both.<br><br>Instead, they went with a soundtrack album with some of the score and another song album for whatever reason that is lol.The second half of the new "Elephant Graveyard" is basically note for note "I Was Just Trying to Be Brave" from the 1994 version as well, just with a few changes in orchestrationThis is only HGW's score, a good chunk of it was rejected.Wonder if it will take 20 years for an official complete score XD Not to mention any unofficial leaks (it took a long time to even get that for the original film). TBH, I'd prefer a proper release of any score any day of the week.<br><br>To answer the question above me: Mostly it's new material using the same themes from 1994, though if my interpretation the OST is correct, the hyenas and Timon and Pumbaa get new themes. The only true 'copies' of music from 1994 are Circle of Life and Remember, but even then, they are at least partially-new recordings.Do we know who wrote what?
Is it all material from 1994 or is it new 2019 score?I confirm I'm back from it, there's quite a bit of unreleased score.Well, now we have somebody who's seen it (and yes, it's out in some countries today), we know for certain.<br><br>I wouldn't expect anything official any time soon unless Zimmer wants to release a second CD.I absolutely love Kai’s theme in this score, there are so many cool variations that weren’t on the initial album. Hans and Co. really stepped up their game here. I don’t feel the temp as heavily here as KFP2 (which is still an amazing sequel score).Saw the film today, there is a LOT of music missing.
As stupid as this film is, you can tell Tom probably had fun working on it. The music is so over the top, it just goes nuts all the way through.This is one of those scores that I have really warmed up to since it’s release. The emotional stuff for Alita works really well in context and her “Hero Theme” gets some great development (the way it culminates in “Epilogue” is incredible). Also really love the “Motorball” stuff. <br><br>After seeing the film I think the only substantial music not on the album is “Motorball Plan” and “Alita’s Revenge Pt. 1”. The end credits piece I’m guessing is edited from the Full Motorball Suite.Hybrid, did Lorne actually do a lot of writing on this one or is he just being credited for the theme?We've had this argument before, almost any score can fit in a film. But what separates the mediocre composers from the best is the ability to make great music that works on its own, outside of the film. <br><br>Hans has had a lot of work lately that hasn't been doing that, and it's the reason people want him to work with orchestra again and produce is 2000s, late 90s type of style. Because those scores, for whatever problems they had, they felt distinct, memorable (for the most part), and easily could have been enjoyed away from the film.<br><br>Good scores have themes and ideas that both enhance the film, and enhance the listener's experience. Music like Dunkirk, Inferno, or Widows just feel like shallow and empty committee scores that the studio/directors didn't want too much thought put into. "Ah just write one main theme, and fill in the rest with electronics, Hans, it'll be fine!"Hahahahaha well I’m glad he got the credit then :D
I absolutely disagree with you saying Widows is a terrible score. It may not be great on album, but the music fits very well with the film.Actually, I think he only gets credits cause he is the guy... whistling ! :PElectric violinJust out of curiosity... what instrument is playing when Liv and Ben are running towards each other at the end? (Long Distance Goodbye/Landing? I love that instrument!And I’m guessing Neill Blomkamp contributed somehow to the “We Own This Sky” theme that pops up throughout...
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Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 125'24
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  1. Prologue (1:51)
    Geoff Zanelli
  2. Father & Son (4:18)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  3. Nine Years Later - Devil's Triangle (3:23)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  4. Ghost Attack (4:48)
    Geoff Zanelli
  5. Confession (0:54)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  6. Chase Carina (1:18)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  7. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel! (3:31)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  8. Bank Heist (3:10)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  9. My Bank (0:13)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  10. No Longer Our Captain (1:34)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  11. You Speak Of The Trident (1:58)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil
  12. Washed Up Jack (0:33)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  13. Compass (2:43)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  14. Jack Arrested (0:30)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  15. Silent Mary Attacks Pirate Ship (0:44)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  16. Carina Writes On Wall (1:03)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  17. Henry Finds Jack (0:59)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  18. Message From Someone You Know (1:38)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  19. Barbossa In Cabin (3:04)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  20. Arrival To Execution Square - Guillotine (2:08)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  21. Kill The Filthy Pirate - Execution Square (4:18)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  22. Launch Of The Dying Gull (1:01)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  23. Unreasonable Direction (3:26)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  24. Bluffing & Blushing (1:29)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  25. Scarfield Wants The Trident - Jack & Henry (2:30)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer
  26. Science Or Superstition (0:47)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey
  27. Flashback (8:05)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  28. Horologist (1:22)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  29. Shark Attack (4:55)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  30. Can't Step On Dry Land (1:31)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  31. The Answer Is On That Ship (3:04)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  32. It's Your Wedding Day (0:34)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  33. Kiss The Bride (1:21)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  34. Double Cross The Dead - Release The Black Pearl (2:32)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  35. Ship Race A (0:43)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  36. Ship Race B (2:35)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  37. Orphan - The Brightest Star In The North (2:11)
    Geoff Zanelli
  38. The Trident Will Be Mine - Cannon Battle (7:45)
    Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)
  39. Black Rock Island - The Trident (5:07)
    Geoff Zanelli
  40. The Power Of The Sea (4:08)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  41. Treasure (5:43)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  42. My Name Is Barbossa (2:42)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  43. Reunion (3:39)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  44. Main On Ends (2:42)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  45. Flashback (Part 1 Alternate) (2:08)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis
  46. Shark Attack (Alternate) (4:55)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  47. Reunion (Alternate) (3:00)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  48. Reunion (Part 2 Alternate) (1:25)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
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David reply Replies: 11 || 2018-10-18 00:17:12
Surely there's more original Pirates of the Caribbean themes than just Hans Zimmer, no?! Klaus Badelt and Blake Neely are credited in the others so why aren't they here???


???2018-10-18 01:25:02
Because they each only wrote one theme and they weren't used in this movie. Almost all of the original themes were Hans' anyway, and those were used, so he's credited.


David2019-02-11 18:58:40
Are you sure??? Looking at their credits on the other scores I think they’re featured here


---2019-02-12 17:13:11
Yes. Blake's and Klaus' themes are not in this film, certainly. Klaus wrote the underwater march theme in the first film which isn't in this and Blake wrote a short curse theme in the first film which doesn't apply to this either. All the main themes were Hans' on the first.


Oscarilbo2019-02-12 21:34:56
So who wrote the Black Pearl Ship theme in the first Pirates, the one used in the "underwater march" cue? Was that Zimmer or Klaus? I thought that was Hans.


David2019-02-12 21:48:30
I agree with Oscarilbo!


---2019-02-13 00:43:24
This might help, it's Hans' original demo for the film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6wsGESeNjk

It has He's a Pirates and other themes in it.

The underwater march, right after "gents, take a walk!" was Klaus, but it's not used in Pirates 5!


Mike2019-02-14 18:23:46
I'm not saying this to insult David, but it's funny to me that even now, 16 years later, after so many clarifications from HZ and others, people still get confused because of the way POTC 1 got credited. All because Hans had to work on The Last Samurai (which is one of my favorite scores of his, so I guess it was worth the confusion).


David2019-02-14 19:01:59
Can’t insult me! I am genuinely curious. What’s this about The Last Samurai???


Mike2019-02-14 19:49:21
Hans was composing The Last Samurai while the first POTC was being made. He had promised Tom Cruise and Edward Zwick (might have even signed a contract) that he would only work on The Last Samurai and no other movies at that time. So while Hans agreed to write the POTC themes for Gore Verbinski, he wasn't allowed to be credited due to his obligations to the Last Samurai. So he wrote a few themes and then handed the score off to Klaus Badelt, who got the "name" credit on the score. But the whole score is really Klaus, Geoff Zanelli, Nick Glennie Smith, Ramin Djawadi, and a few others doing arrangements of the theme that Hans wrote (and Hans writing for a couple scenes incognito, like when Elizabeth first sees the skeleton pirates). Then Klaus did do the dark "Fog Bound/Underwater March" tune, as mentioned.


David2019-02-15 01:24:33
Oh wow! That’s all really interesting. So how much of the OST is really HAnS Zimmer then???


Mike2019-02-15 02:43:15
Oh man, that's a tough question...I haven't listened to Curse of the Black Pearl in a while.... He's credited on almost every track for themes used... "Fog Bound" is the big Klaus Badelt cue from that movie (the real, 5-minute one in the movie is pretty much all Klaus I believe).

But Hans appears almost everywhere in POTC 1. Sometimes it's arrangements of his themes by the other guys, sometimes it's parts of the tunes that he wrote put directly in like he wrote them... The following scenes are pretty much directly Hans, if I remember right (this is the list I'm referencing — but as you can see, Zimmer's name is almost everywhere hans-zimmer . com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1128):

3. Captain Jack Sparrow (Hans wrote the big theme here, as well as the Jack Sparrow stuff at the end)
8. Breaking the Chains (more Jack Sparrow theme...)
17. Boarding the Dauntless (Jack Sparrow theme...)
24. Moonlight Serenade (Zimmer said he wrote this scene like Cinderella walking into a Metallica concert)

Aaaaand a lot of the final fighting music is lifted directly out of the suite Zimmer wrote, so it's 90% him. But once again, his themes as arranged by other people appear everywhere. Hybrid can answer way more about all this than I can.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 3 || 2018-08-31 09:01:28
Father and Son - 9 Years Later....

Both of these are great! Most of the other unreleased material is pretty straightforward reprisals of Jack’s theme(s) and variations on Carina/Salazar.

Also, this confirms that Geoff used the motif for Barbossa from AWE/OST, I guess this is officially his theme now. (It’s in Jack Arrested/Barbossa in Cabin/Kiss The Bride)


mpolonest123 2018-08-31 09:04:14
And Blackbeard’s motif does return at 0:27 in “Double Cross the Dead”, pretty cool little detail. Geoff did a solid job with this score.


The Dude2018-09-15 13:56:23
Wait what did they use for barbossa in AWE?


mpolonest123 2018-09-15 14:13:05
It was a motif loosely related to Beckett which ended up getting repurposed for Barbossa in On Stranger Tides and here. To be fair the theme was used in conjunction with him during the Calypso cue. Judging by its placement throughout AWE I think it was meant to be a “betrayal” theme.

The Dude reply Replies: 0 || 2018-09-15 13:54:39
Now when the Hell will we be able to listen to the Full complete score. This is me saying take my money Disney and Zanelli.

em reply Replies: 3 || 2018-08-31 12:48:54
I like some of this soundtrack but it's really temp heavy.

The attempt to cover up the Beckett Death theme and the Blackbeard death themes (which itself is just a cover up of the Davy Jones tune) in "Treasure" is embarrassing. It just sounds like they're being played with the wrong notes.


Edmund Meinerts2018-08-31 13:36:19
Yeah it's not nearly as bad as On Stranger Tides, but you can definitely smell the temp at times. I especially hate that part of "Treasure". But at least it feels like a narrative and there are times when old material gets used in fresh ways, which is nice. Zanelli did an okay job here but if they ever do a Pirates 6 I would hope that whoever scores it can do so in a way that's not quite as cautious and beholden to the past as these last two scores have been. I don't mean dumping the themes and style entirely, of course not, but a bit more variety would go a long way.

Side note, a bit surprised how few solo Zanelli cues there are, but perhaps I shouldn't be - this is Pirates, after all...


mpolonest1232018-09-01 01:02:50
I feel like a big part of that (not just with the music but the films as well) is the studio trying to “play it safe” and stick to the successful formula they had with the OT. When Gore was at the helm you could feel the difference in tone and creativity. This last movie felt like a big budget fan film that completely missed the subtlety of the originals.

Now one BIG problem I have with this score. The mixing. While the music sounds more organic than the previous ones in terms of instrumentation, the sound is incredibly dry and even flat at points. The drums, for example, don’t have the same oomph or strength that you would get from a Hans score. There are even points where it sounds like it was recorded by a smaller orchestra. Not being familiar with Geoff Zanelli’s individual scores I’m not sure if this is a consistent issue with his mixing.


em2018-09-01 11:38:35
You might be onto something. Pirates doesn't work sounding "organic". It just exposes how simplistic a lot of the musical constructs are. Only At World's End really had some orchestral complexity going on, and they also had Steve Bartek doing orchestrations.

Curse Of The Black Pearl has a frenetic energy to it because it's such a rush job. Dead Man's Chest has a rock and roll vibe carrying it. On Stranger Tides sounds like an idea that was never finished - with the Spanish stuff.

This score is functional and good in places (and far superior to the crappy film it accompanies), but I agree the sound of it is really thin and lacking in punchiness. Even the end credits cue with the Carina theme doesn't really rouse. You get a fairly tepid trumpet flourish but there's no weight carrying what's a fairly basic tune.

I think Hans just has a stronger musical voice. With all the talk about "ghostwriters" etc. it's telling when people who've worked on his scores do their own and they often lack something.

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 0 || 2018-08-31 14:22:24
Now THAT is one but kickin' cover. And Furthermore, Geoff has done a great job filling in for Hans in composing the fifth Pirates of the Caribbean picture.

David reply Replies: 3 || 2018-08-31 07:11:21
Awesome score!!


Andreas2018-08-31 08:56:28
Finally it's out! The collection is complete again.


Medigo2018-08-31 10:08:09
Still missing some awesome stuff from POTC2


Iamtommie2018-08-31 11:56:26
And 2 tracks from POTC 3 are still missing

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