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Sadly, he doesn't seem to say anything new besides the background information on the Zimmer and Harry Gregson scores he's worked on. Plus the Skyscraper information still doesn't excuse the generic committee product that score turned out to be.Does anyone know what songs Max Aruj and Steffen Thum have worked on?Though there are differences, I think HZ & NGS styles mix together rather well.<br><br>Tracks like "Fort Walton", "Goodspeed Tracks Jade" or "Jade" are exceptions for sure. Apart from these, most tracks blend very well, imo.<br>It's very different from Armageddon for exemple, when team Trevor and team Harry had very different styles (big anthems & guitars VS darker material and more subtle theme developments) and also different sound equipments (I can tell immediately who did what thanks to the sound banks they used). The Rock doesn't suffer from those extreme differences imo.<br><br>We fans here listened to those scores for over 20 years and we've learnt how to spot each composer (thanks to this website and all the infos on each track we got over the years). I'm not sure I could have noticed all those details back in 1996, or even 10 years ago.<br><br>Nonetheless, The Rock is one of the greatest action scores ever. While more coherent scores like Crimson Tide or The Fan grew on me over the years, The Rock keeps a very special place in my heart.yes i hope 2 cd!!!!Hi, <br>Ever paid tribute to Gorecki?<br>I think you should<br><br>Cheers<br><br>Mjt Sprengers
The only way I won't be able to the listen to it before the episode is if it will be released in Germany in the night to tuesday. But I don't know how I would find that.Does someone know something about the soundtrack already? Like how many songs there will be or maybe even the full track list? Or will it be a big surprise?I will, Backbiter, because I live in Germany and in my country the final episode will be released on monday. I will watch it with my friends and therefore we will watch it around 8pm in my time. If the soundtrack will be released in the night from sunday to monday, I will be able to listen to the soundtrack before I watch the final episode.Yasss<br><br>Please be 2 discsThis is an okay score. Nothing super spectacular, but it fits the movie very well. The only issue I really took is that the end credits arrangement of the Pokemon video game theme is absent from the CD - I would wager quite a few people bought the CD just for that only to be disappointed. For me, it would have ended the CD perfectly.<br><br>Anybody know why it was left off? Something Nintendo told them 'no' on?
Very interesting interview. Thanks man!Judging by the YouTube views, not a lot of people have listened to this 1-hour chat with Steve. So I'm posting it here for you folks to enjoy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR0TPYmidNYI have nothing against any of the composers who worked on The Rock, but to my ears, the Nick Glennie-Smith stuff sounds obviously different from the Hans Zimmer stuff, and they both sound very different from the Harry Gregson-Williams stuff. And the transitions are a tad jarring at times. I've never seen anyone else post this opinion before, though, so I may be the only one!<br>=====================<br><br><br>That's actually very interesting. Never thought of it that way. And you're right. For those who are well aware of the overall MV/RC sound, there is indeed a difference between the Zimmer style and the Glennie-Smith style. However, I think that the two styles blend pretty well in The Rock. The movie itself allows for that. So I would argue that, while watching the actual movie, the two styles work very well together and they complement each other. <br><br>But listening to the score alone, yes, I can definitely see where you're coming from. The differences are obvious. Having said that, I still consider it to be a masterpiece of action scoring. And not only action. The emotional bits are great too. JADE is an extremely beautiful and tender track :))<br><br>P.S. The Peacemaker is on my personal TOP 5 of the greatest action scores of all time. I can't believe the score is not as popular as The Rock. Same for Eraser, by the way. Watch the movie again on a good sound system and you'll be blown away by the awesome Silvestri score. I really wish those two scores were more popular with the public......The 90s had some of the greatest action movie scores ever<br>================================<br><br>Without a doubt. I grew up in the 90s and I was there for all of it. Truly one of the best decades for film music (and for cinema in general). I mean, it's the decade that changed action scores forever. Exactly because of scores like The Rock, Twister, Armageddon, Crimson Tide and The Peacemaker. Granted, Harold Faltermeyer kinda started it all in the mid-80s with his work on Top Gun, Tango and Cash and Beverly Hills Cop 2, but it was Hans and his team who really got the ball rolling. By the way, I'm super happy that Hans and Faltermeyer are teaming up for Top Gun 2. At least according to IMDb....<br><br><br>==================<br>The opening theme is probably Zimmer's best in the genre<br>==================<br><br>Agreed. It's the ultimate Zimmer power anthem. I know the younger generation knows Hans mainly from his work on comicbook movies like Batman and Spider Man, but for me, 90's Zimmer will always be the best Zimmer. And my favorite Zimmer :))I'm so excited hear that.
No you won't, the score will be released after the final episode.Yesssssssssss yessss yesCan't wait for this soundtrack.<br>Just a few days left.Oh. My. Gods. (The old ones and the new.) That's so good news. And I can't wait for sunday.<br><br>The best is, that I can here the soundtrack before I watch the final episode. And I like to hear to a score without knowing wich music belongs to what kind of scene.Yesss. Can't wait!
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  1. Marcus (3:24)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. We Have A Job To Do (2:33)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  3. Money (2:34)
    Hans Zimmer
  4. Perimeter Check (3:09)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  5. The Calm Before The Storm (1:39)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  6. The Job (4:58)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  7. Race Against Time (1:23)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  8. My Son (2:33)
    Hans Zimmer
  9. Wild Is The Wind - Nina Simone (7:00)
  10. Dice Game - The Cool Kids (3:11)
  11. The Big Unknown - Sade (4:21)
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monstersinmovies reply Replies: 0 || 2019-04-23 03:37:52
the zimmer info available on this site is always fun to read. thanks to hybrid and the rest for providing a fun place to discuss and review. if any fellow fans are interested in a run through of my entire physical Hans collection, check this out :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsSQ6ohbFc8


nvictor reply Replies: 0 || 2019-01-10 14:24:23
love this small production! it's like a gift from Hans and team to score fans. or it's like them making a statement. or also like them trying to prove something. true, doesn't have a lot of music or composition moments. doesn't feel like a big production. but it is a very good score. i am learning a lot from it. but, well, my opinion might not be the same as everybody's. especially on this very forum : )

here's what i learned so far. you can make a good score with only few musical elements. this score has melodic cues (composed with the same theme from what i can tell) for the human aspect. and textural compositions for anything related to the "job". the only exception is the piano sequence for "calm before the storm". speaking of that, dark night also has a "calm before storm" cue. i need to go back and listen to that one to see how the musical elements differ. i could swear that DK "calm before storm" didn't have a piano. the catwoman theme is the only thing i can remember having a melancholic piano. so there is something to learn there.

the other thing i learned is that you can compose with non-pitched sound designs and textures. i know dunkirk already offered something similar but this does deeper. with widows, i can hear composition patterns with the textures and percussion instruments. it's like they composed first with instruments we know and expect. and then replaced them with percussions and textures? who knows? for example in "the job" cue, there that one percussion instrument that i heard only once. i mean it sounded once in a 5-minutes cue. it could be a mistake. but it could be deliberate as well. that's what is exciting for me about this score.

in sum, this is a score for long time fans and people who are learning this stuff. others who are expecting big moments and grandiose orchestral techniques won't be happy. but if you have been following for a while, you will notice the subtleties and i keep finding new things. being short is actually good for learning purpose as well : )

speaking of teaching material, would be awesome we get another sketchbook cue. the man of steel one is the best gift ever given to us.

Michael Fields reply Replies: 0 || 2019-01-07 05:20:54
BOOKLET CREDITS:

Music Composed By
HANS ZIMMER

Soundtrack Album Executive Producer
STEVE McQUEEN

Additional Music By
STEVE MAZZARO

Music Production Services
STEVEN KOFSKY

Music Editor
CLINT BENNETT

Technical Score Engineers
CHUCK CHOI
STEVEN DOAR

Synth Programming
HANS ZIMMER

Orchestrated By
SHANE RUTHERFOOD-JONES

Orchestra Contractor
ISOBEL GRIFFITHS

Music Preparation
JILL STREATER

Overdubs Engineer
NICK TAYLOR

Assistant Overdubs Engineer
OLLY THOMPSON

Air-Edel Studios Bookings
TOM BULLEN

Conducted By
ROBERT ZIEGLER

Violins Leader
THOMAS BOWES

Cello Leader
CAROLINE DALE

Double Bass
ANDY PASK
MARY SCULLY

Percussion
LUIS JARDIM

Score Recorded By
NICK WOLLAGE

Pro-Tools Recordist
CHRIS BARRETT

Assistant Score Engineer
LAWRENCE ANSLOW

Air Studios Bookings
ALISON BURTON

Score Mixed By
STEPHEN LIPSON

Additional Score Mixed By
NICK WOLLAGE

Studio Manager For Remote Control Productions
SHALINI SINGH

Assistants To Hans Zimmer
CYNTHIA PARK
NICOLE JACOB

Digital Instrument Design
MARK WHERRY

Digital Instrument Preparation
TAUREES HABIB
RAUL VEGA

Album Mastered By
DAN HERSCH
At
D2 MASTERING LOS ANGELES

Album Produced By
HANS ZIMMER
STEVE MAZZARO

Music Legal Services
CHRISTINE BERGREN
CANDACE CARLO

Original Film Score Published By
REMOTE CONTROL PRODUCTIONS (ASCAP)

Hans Zimmer And Steve McQueen Would Like To Thank:
IAIN CANNING
EMILE SHERMAN
ARNON MILCHAN
JOE WALKER
IAN NEIL
EMMA ZEE
SAMANTHA JOLY
JAMES HARRISON
PAUL COTTERELL
GILBERT LAKE
ELISSA LOPARCO
DANIELLE DIEGO
REBECCA MORELATTO
BRIANNE PORCARO
JOHNNY CHOI
RACHEL DAVIS
URS HECKMANN
JILLIAN ABBOD
BEBE LERNER
RAE MURILLO And THE ID TEAM
RYAN OUCHIDA
JULIAN PASTORELLI
SETH WALDMANN
BRIGITTE ZIMMER
VICKI ZIMMER
SUZANNE ZIMMER
ZOE, JAKE, MAX & ANNABEL

Executive Album Producers For Milan Records
JC CHAMBOREDON
STEFAN KARRER

Production Manager
PABLO MANYER

Graphic Design And Layout
SHAWN LYON

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2018-12-06 19:34:01
Widows Didnít nominated for any categories of golden globes. I so disappointed


Mephariel2018-12-06 23:15:13
Didn't have enough music I think.

Mephariel reply Replies: 1 || 2018-11-16 08:17:44
Widows is actually a pretty interesting score. Not one of Zimmer's best from for an isolated listening experience standpoint, but as a textual score, I was engaged for the most part. The score effectively builds momentum throughout from beginning to end and I could feel the movie just by listening to the music.


Kalman2018-11-16 14:27:38
I haven't seen the movie yet but I like the score more with each listen. Not a classic Zimmer by any means but still an enjoyable listen at its short running time. Looking forward to the movie as well.

meta reply Replies: 5 || 2018-11-12 03:20:44
Not for nothing but it's kinda odd how Zimmer has been declining ever since, IMO, his collaboration with Wallfisch on Blade Runner 2049....

Honestly, I've been straying towards John Carpenter's Halloween 2018 and horror synth ever since....is Zimmer retiring or something? Because I'm finding myself not into him so much, anymore.


superultramegaa2018-11-12 03:54:41
I'm kind of the same way, even on a personal level. The synth and power anthems, even from the Media Ventures era, is just kind of getting old to me. The incessant momentum, the lack of thematic progression, it all wears on you eventually.


Edmund Meinerts2018-11-14 15:17:48
That collaboration was barely a year ago. This is literally Zimmer's first significant score since then. You can't deduce a pattern from two data points.


Mephariel2018-11-14 16:56:07
Plus, Blue Planet II came out last year. That score is as far from Widows as possible.


George2018-11-14 19:38:42
Yeah seriously, he hasnít done much in a year plus. Heís definitely taken some time off for touring and other things, which may be a great thing for his inspiration... who knows, but Iím guessing the time off has let his brain take a break and maybe he has a ton of new ideas for the big 3 (WW:84, Dark Phoenix, Lion King) coming up in the next year and a half.

Or maybe Iím just hopeful/wishful thinking lol.


Jsdamian2018-11-15 00:14:15
And top gun:maverick....big 4

Hari Haran reply Replies: 2 || 2018-11-11 20:14:39
I honestly wasn't expecting much from this film on a musical level, but some tracks that are available are OK to listen to. McQueen has never been a proponent of larger-scale thematic music in his scores, he seems to be a mood-inspired person, and Zimmer can do that very, very well.

Coming back to the music, Zimmer seems to have embraced his textural roots. 2018 has been all about texture really in the action films, i.e. Black Panther's percussion layers, Mission Impossible: Fallout, Widows. Thematically, there seems to be a solemn progression for Marcus that reappears in "My Son", that relies on familiar elements (i.e. drone strings layered on top of each other, lower bass accompaniment), and some of the action textures in "We Have A Job To Do" and "Perimeter Check" is a nice callback to the Media Ventures style of things.

I'm admittedly disappointed with the fact that there is nothing beyond residually, well-anchored momentum and tension to the score,and the album length is shocking. But it is what it is. I love the underlying, throbbing synth bass ripples, I've always had a soft spot for them.

Honestly, it's a one time listen for me. I'm more excited about his dual superhero bonanza return next year- Wonder Woman 1984 and X-Men Dark Phoenix. I'm definitely not expecting him to use John Ottman's brilliant theme for the latter, although I will definitely be impressed if by slight chance, he does. The "Money" is quite soothing in a melancholy way. "The Calm Before The Storm" uses some worthwhile sombre piano treading that I'm always a stickler for.


mpolonest1232018-11-12 03:35:00
I think you really nailed how I feel about this score. I donít personally mind the tense electronic elements (this is music that I can enjoy on its own level) but I do feel let down by the lack of a theme or any solid motif to anchor the music. Especially in the emotional cues.

The one thing that I keep coming back to is how this sounds so much like something Johann Johansson would have written. I actually really like his music style, but it is pretty jarring to see Zimmer do minimalism on this level. No objections here, but I canít wait to get some exciting Zimmer music again.


Josiah2018-11-14 07:47:13
Well, if you check what Hans Zimmer did recently there wasn't much material for him to write a good theme too. A lot of it was types of movies that were synth type music. I think The Dark Phoenix and Wonder Woman (apart from his amazing theme for her already) will have some good typical Hans Zimmer feel to it which I am excited for.

Mike reply Replies: 14 || 2018-11-05 05:23:54
I'm going to assume this album is the whole score, based on Hybrid's comments?


Hybrid Soldier2018-11-05 12:31:19
It is...


Anonymous2018-11-05 16:59:51
so out of a 130 min movie we get 22 min of score. thats an hour and 48 minutes with no score.....


Max Potcats2018-11-05 17:45:09
That's right, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. The less music there is, the more powerful and meaningful it will be when there is. This is a very interesting decision IMO, can't wait to see the movie.


mpolonest1232018-11-06 02:43:49
Having only seen 12YAS, I have full confidence the film will be well done. Say what you will about his music choices, I personally think Steve McQueen is a brilliant filmmaker. If nothing else, the performances should be stunning.

And as far as the score goes, there are plenty of films which make use of silence or sound design without relying on music, so itís definitely not uncommon.


Mephariel2018-11-06 06:53:10
No doubt McQueen is a great filmmaker and to be honest, his lack of music in his movies never bothered me.

It is crazy that Zimmer is working with 3 of the most talented auteur directors today: Nolan, Villeneuve, and McQueen.


...2018-11-06 12:20:24
The score is very dark. Kind of a thriller version of Dunkirk in places. a lot of rhythmic synths.


...2018-11-06 12:24:17
A lot of it sounds like a mix of the joker.


JamesT2018-11-06 15:51:07
Is that observation based on the one track The Job thatís been released or have you heard the remainder of the score?


...2018-11-06 16:56:14
No I've listened to the whole album. Marcus and My Son are slow and sad pieces for strings and, calm before the storm is kind of quiet with some piano but the rest is suspense like the joker with Dunkirk mixed in.

I am guessing it works great in the movie but as a standalone listen it's not one of Zimmer's most memorable scores.


mpolonest1232018-11-06 23:28:05
After one listen I can definitely tell this is something a lot of people wonít like outside of the context of the film. Itís a very ďbare-bonesĒ type of score.
You have the stretched note string music overlaid with ambience, and the grungy ďDunkirk/JokerĒ electronics.

Personally I like the action music here, regardless of how similar it is to Zimmerís other scores. ďRace Against TimeĒ is particular intense. The emotional music, on the other hand, didnít really do much for me. I am interested to hear it in context, but donít go in with high expectations.


Mike2018-11-07 01:50:08
Really, now that I've heard it, this score just sounds like "Dunkirk ó The Rejected Stuff." lol. That's saying nothing about how it does in context or whether it does what McQueen wants. But it definitely kind of just sounds like Hans had some leftover ideas from Dunkirk and used this movie for them.


Meta2018-11-07 02:02:13
NOte to John Carpenter:

NOW IS THE TIME. SEIZE THE DAY!


MrMayo2018-11-08 14:44:46
Not complete,that last song isn't going to be played by Sad,but going to be played by SADE..That's something else..I say.


Kalman2018-11-08 19:25:39
The tracks Marcus and My Son have some very strong Morricone resemblance. They're similar how the Italian Maestro usually introduces/builds up many of his slow and heartbreaking melodies. The difference is that Zimmer doesn't really build up a theme, therefore it sounds as a long introduction of a never written Morricone theme. Still, I like it.

Andreas reply Replies: 12 || 2018-10-25 20:02:07
track 6 already available: https://soundcloud.com/ milanrecords/thejob


mpolonest1232018-10-25 21:04:46
It sounds like a grungier Dunkirk, Iím interested in what the more ďthematicĒ sound will be....


Edmund Meinerts2018-10-26 12:58:14
That description doesn't exactly inspire my confidence.


mpolonest1232018-10-26 15:36:24
@Edmund
Itís pretty much exactly what I expected this to sound like, going off of the reviews that mentioned the score beforehand. If I had to guess, half will sound like Dunkirk/TDK (the heist portions) while the other half will probably be more traditional Zimmer string writing.


Mephariel2018-10-26 16:47:37
Agree with mpolonest123.

I do really like the Shekere portion of the the cue "The Job." I think it adds a very unique touch to the music.


Jsdamian2018-10-26 17:41:10
I have confidence in the tracks 1,5,7,8


MrZimmerFan2018-10-26 19:02:41
Don't expected something orchestral, i got a feeling this score will be enteraily electronic


Mephariel2018-10-26 19:25:13
I think during an interview, Zimmer confirmed that there will be strings sections, so not 100% electronic.


Ahmad2018-10-27 02:13:33
Well, I think we know already that "orchestral" does not equal "thematic". He could have the players bang on their instruments with a toothpick (JK). :D

I really love this kind of stuff, so I enjoyed the track. Can't wait to see the film/hear the rest of the score.


Michael2018-10-27 13:07:02
Is Balfe involved ?Sounding very 13 Hours.


Mike2018-10-27 20:21:33
Zimmer produced 13 Hours...


Micheal 2018-10-29 00:05:20
Mike-is Zimmer on the cue sheet for 13 Hours ?


Mike2018-10-29 06:24:15
Actually, Hybrid said Hans did get credit for one cue on that score...

Scorefan reply Replies: 0 || 2018-10-28 20:10:22
@ Hybrid, this commercial edition will get all the music Zimmer wrote, i mean, the 20 minutes of all the score?

Jsdamian reply Replies: 8 || 2018-10-10 23:35:24
Waiting!!


Jsdamian2018-10-17 16:44:51
Nominated in Hollywood media award best score film.


michael2018-10-17 17:45:13
and the film has yet to open. who even nominated it? the people in the industry. they award themselves. goes to show how much of a sham it all is.


Mephariel2018-10-17 19:06:42
The film premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival back in September and was reviewed by like 50+ critics already.


michael2018-10-17 19:22:40
yeah. critics. who the hell nominated it for the music? the general public hasnít even seen or heard it yet.


Iamtommie2018-10-17 20:24:48
FYC albums is the thing studios use for these kind of nominations.


Mephariel2018-10-17 22:02:10
I don't think you want the general public nominating film scores.


Jsdamian2018-10-18 00:00:29
It was also nominated for interstellar and the film had not yet been shown ... the most important thing is that there can be great music in this movie


michael2018-10-18 00:07:08
the likes of which well never hear outside of the film. our only hope is if someone gets the fyc album and shares it

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