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Anyone know of a proper chronological listing of this score? I tried cross-referencing it with the expanded listed here and made this:<br><br>01 Dublin, 1996<br>02 <br>03 <br>04 <br>05 Second Warning<br>06 Research<br>07 Driving<br>08 The Beating<br>09 Traynor Lies<br>10 Never Show Your Fear<br>11 Preparations<br>12 The Killing<br>13 Bad News<br>14 The Funeral<br>15 One More Day<br><br>But I have no idea where Conversations, First Warning, and Deceit goes, and I'm not sure if Traynor Lies and Driving are placed correctlyif you read my first sentence you can see I dismisded this rumor as crap<br>..................<br><br>Fair enough....But look back on the comment itself. It's kinda confusing. The way you wrote it created the illusion that Lorne not only ghostwrote the score, but he also dismissed it as crap. You didn't say "I dismissed the rumor". You said: "...a rumor stating that Lorne Balfe ghostwrote this score and dismissed it as crap." <br> <br><br>Anyway, moving on.....<br><br>Steve was interviewed a lot about The Last Knight and it's pretty obvious that he worked hard on that score. From the day they started shooting the movie. Was he supported by other composers? Absolutely. You can't score such a huge movie by yourself. Any composer who claims that is lying.<br><br>So there's nothing shocking or surprising about the fact that other composers were involved here. As for them being "Lorne's people"......well, considering how MV/RC-related composers work and how interconnected everything is, the "Lorne guys" could very well be friends with Steve too and perhaps he simply brought them on board. Or they were recommended by Lorne. It certainly doesn't mean that there was this top secret plan of them and Lorne actually ghostwriting the entire score. I still wonder tho......how do these rumors even come up? Who spreads them? And why? I ask because this is not the first time I've heard rumors about Zimmer scores and Jablonsky scores. It's always these two guys. Which happen to be two of the most prominent and popular MV/RC guys. Coincidence? Not to sound like a conspiracy nut, but it kinda makes me think that someone is intentionally trying to undermine the biggest MV/RC names by constantly throwing shade at their work."Deserving" is a word that doesn't exist in Hollywood, so stop thinking that way... lolThe problem I have with Junkie XL scoring Avatar is just that there are so many RCP composers better or more deserving. You have Zimmer, Powell, Gregson-Williams, Mancina, Jackman, Wallfisch...it is just so wrong to think Junkie XL is scoring Avatar and none of those guys are.I think that Tim Miller played a greater role in case of Terminator and Sonic. And I really don't see Junkie as good choice for Avatar 2.
@Edmund <br>I still stand by my opinion that Holkenborg scoring Avatar 2 could be pretty interesting. Pairing him up with a director who is known to be strict with his musical choices and continuing on from James Horner’s classic might produce something really good. And seeing his gradual progress as a composer with Mortal Engines and Alita have personally given me some hope (2 years ago I would have said hell no).<br><br>And I’m not surprised by the choice for T6. Not looking forward to this project at all but we did get a cool score from Balfe for the last one so maybe there is some hope for the music at least.I think Terminator is a decent match for JXL's talents (listen to "The March" from Divergent), but this feels like further evidence that James Cameron is grooming him for Avatar 2, which I really hope ends up not being the case.Yes, Tom will be scoring the new Terminator movieChill out Bayhem, if you read my first sentence you can see I dismisded this rumor as crap.<br>But seeing people from his team ivolved and considering the fast and furious situation, I can’t help but wondering if there’s some truth to that rumor.<br>Now for a guy talking about haters, saying that Lorne scores 36million projects and B movies (forgetting mission impossible) I think you’re pushing it a bit.<br>Anyway no hate I don’t care who wrote it I’m just curious about the behind the scenes stuff.You're reaching there a bit Bayhem, I see no one in this thread trying to undermine Steve's work or the score. Hell the first poster was just asking if Lorne worked on it and if so, to what extent. And the "rumor comment" is a logical extension of Lorne's whole regular team being credited on the score, therefore it is possible that he did additional work on it.
Again a "rumor" comment that's trying to undermine Steve's work. And in this case, an entire score. Lorne fans, please stop trying to constantly undermine other composers in favor of your guy. It's childish and extremely disrespectful. You've done it multiple times on these boards. What's next? You gonna claim that Lorne secretly scored the entire Transformers franchise? And Lord of the Rings. And Harry Potter. <br><br>Seriously, it's getting really old, really fast. <br><br>Not to mention the fact that Steve, as a composer, is much, much more experienced and established than Lorne. He's got nothing to prove. Steve takes his time when it comes to scoring. He's choosing carefully. He's got more than enough time to focus on his projects. While Lorne's name is attached to 30 million different projects, some of them cheap B-movies like Hurricane Heist. And you think he's scoring them all by himself? The irony of it all is that if anyone is using ghostwriters most of the time, it's Lorne. Not Steve. And I'm saying that as a Lorne fan as well. I'm not just a Jablonsky fan. I appreciate Lorne's work as well. But I'm not undermining other composers in favor of him.Bay has Lorne scoring his films now cause they established a relationship on 13 Hours, and Bay didn't even want Lorne for that; he wanted Hans but he didn't want to go through the exhausting process of another Bay blockbuster so he brought in Lorne instead.<br>And even then, Hans still worked together with Lorne very closely on the project (Hybrid said he was there for all the meetings, helped with synth programming, etc)Of cause Balfe worked on it .That is why Bay now uses Balfeyou can absolutely hear the 13 hours temp track in Battlefield and We Have to GoNot to mention that Steve and Lorne structure their power anthems differently.<br>To me this score sounds like 100% Steve
I wouldn't say so, Lorne stacks his ostinatos and rhythms on top of each other (see Blackwood, Last Man on the Moon) and shotguns piano writing all over his scores in addition to using it for almost any kind of emotional scene (see Manny, Duck Shoot, Brothers Theme from Hurricane Heist)Well, if all we're using to distinguish Lorne is ostinatos and piano writing, then in that case, he's all over this film!The interesting thing is, that if Lorne did work on it, his work is indistinguishable from Steve's cause I hear none of his ostinatos or extensive piano writing.@Hybrid, a while ago I saw a rumor stating that Lorne Balfe ghostwrote this score and dismissed it as crap.<br>But looking at the credits I see some people from his team have been involved( his assistant Queenie Li as music coordinator, and Max Aruj and Steffen Thum did arrangements..)<br>Do you know why and to which extent he was involved or why his team worked on the score?This little gem of a score is one of my favourites of Lorne's smaller projects.<br>Got a great main theme and varying instrumentations of it throughout, plus he's using a real orchestra which is always good. (Check out The Heist, very upbeat jazzy piece)
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ComposerAdditional MusicConductor
Mortal Engines
Label: Back Lot Music
Length: 70'16
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  1. London Suite In C Major (8:54)
  2. No-One You Know (2:51)
  3. The Chase (1:08)
  4. Welcome To London (2:39)
  5. Miss Valentine (4:19)
  6. This Is For My Mother (1:36)
  7. The Outlands (4:52)
  8. A Resurrected Man (4:44)
  9. Ms. Fang (2:05)
  10. In A Sea Of Clouds (1:28)
  11. The Weapon Of The Ancients (2:08)
  12. Shan Guo (3:21)
  13. I Am The Meteor (2:15)
  14. First Strike (2:09)
  15. Night Sundered (4:10)
  16. In The Shadow Of A Shrine (3:29)
  17. No Going Back (5:58)
  18. Windflower (2:28)
  19. The 13th Floor Elevator (4:40)
  20. Alive And Together (4:52)
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Michael Fields reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-09 09:23:42
MOVIE CREDITS:

Music Composed, Produced, Programmed, Mixed And Mastered By
TOM HOLKENBORG

Score Wrangler
BOB BADAMI

Music Editors
CATHERINE WILSON
STEPHEN GALLAGHER

Orchestra Conducted By
CONRAD POPE

Additional Music By
ANTONIO DI IORIO

Orchestrated By
EDWARD TRYBEK
HENRI WILKINSON
JONATHAN BEARD
TOM HOLKENBORG

Music Preparation By
JORDAN COX

Additional Synth Programming By
EMILY RICE
JONAS FRIEDMAN
MAX KARMAZYN

Technical Score Engineers
ALEX RUGER
JACOPO TRIFONE

Music Production Services By
MICHIEL GROENEVELD

Music Recorded At
MICHAEL FOWLER CENTER (Wellington, New Zealand);
STELLA MARIS (Wellington, New Zealand)

Music Performed By
NEW ZEALAND SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA

Orchestral Recording Engineers
GRAHAM KENNEDY
JOHN NEILL

Orchestral Mix Engineer
JOHN NEILL

Score Recordist
NIGEL SCOTT

Score Technical Crew
ANDREW DALZLEL
BRIAN MAHONEY

Music Mixed At
PARK ROAD POST PRODUCTION

Choir
VOICES NEW ZEALAND CHAMBER CHOIR

Choir Conducted By
KAREN GRYLLS

Solo Sopranos
MORAG ATKINSON
PEPE BECKER

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 0 || 2019-01-24 02:50:17
So just like Divergent, the score is completely butchered in film. The main “London” tune is only used for about 30 seconds in the entire film (disregarding it being tracked into the credits suite) and most of the other music from album seems to be either suites, alternates, or heavily chopped up on screen. The editing in the film is pretty bad, so I’m wondering if that may have affected the score in some way.

Surprisingly there is one excellent unreleased cue, which transitions into “First Strike”, that takes the “Shan Guo” ostinato and overlays the operatic MEDUSA vocals which turn to screams at one point. Also some unreleased Hester/Shrike piano music...

Knight reply Replies: 1 || 2018-12-29 04:58:42
Antonio Di Iorio's credits taken from his website by track number

1 2 3 5 6 7 10 11 12 13 15 16 17 19


Knight2018-12-29 04:59:53
Bit disappointing that the London suite isn't all Tom's work

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2018-12-28 17:12:45
Very strange this score hasn't had more hype on this site.

They came out in the same week but all the hype seems to go to Aquaman which is the B-version of Thor: Ragnarock.

I think this score is more interesting in orchestration and has a better thematic identity. Tracks like 'Resurrected Man' are really great.

Shame it went under the radar cause it is one of the better RCP outings this year

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2018-12-19 00:02:23
Tracklist for Alita

1. A Discovery
2. I Don’t Even Know My Own Name
3. What’s Your Dream?
4. Double Identity
5. The Warrior Within
6. A Dark Past
7. In Time You’ll Remember
8. Nova’s Orders
9. Jackers Mission
10. Unlocking the Past
11. Whose Body Is This?
12. Grewishka’s Revenge
13. Broken Doll
14. With Me
15. I’d Give You My Heart
16. You Just Lost a Puppet
17. What Did You Do?
18. In the Clouds
19. Raising the Sword
20. Motorball


Jean-Luc2018-12-19 01:32:38
Interesting Tracklist!!

Jerry reply Replies: 0 || 2018-12-17 18:49:05
Anybody got an indea for chronological order?

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 3 || 2018-12-14 01:41:38
First Impressions:

This might be one of the most “traditional” scores that Tom has scored at this point in his career. The strings/brass still have the signature JXL sound to them, but the music feels more mature when compared to something like Mad Max or even his most recent outings.

I’m still picking up on the themes as of now (the most obvious being the main fanfare and Hester’s tune) but the idea for Shrike is definitely a clear standout. Especially when it gets an emotional spin later on. The use of woodwinds and the operatic female solo vocals also are a nice addition.

Overall this has to be the biggest surprise of the year for me. Having sorta given up on Junkie after being disappointed by his output in the past few years I never expected him to write a fantasy score on this level (while still keeping one foot in his comfort zone of course). Hopefully more producers actually demand quality music from him, as opposed to the shit we got from
Tomb Raider and Deadpool.


Anonymous2018-12-14 15:42:10
To me it sounds like the composer's usual fare, only this time it has a touch of Conrad Pope every now and then in the orchestrations. Won't be surprised if CP's involvement went beyond just conducting.


mpolonest123 2018-12-14 16:30:08
^ And I think a big part of that is the sound mixing. I understand each composer has their own unique voice, but in Holkenborg’s case he tends to mix everything so harshly, particularly the brass. It definitely muffles the music to a degree.

Similar issue I have with Giacchino, who I think writes amazing music which gets undercut by the really dry mixing.


MrZimmerFan2018-12-14 18:14:35
Conrad Pope is only conductor in this, not orchestrator.

Andreas reply Replies: 0 || 2018-12-14 10:04:01
Am I correct that the music used in the long flashback sc&#232;ne with Hester and Shrike is only sort of present in the final track "Alive and Together" ?

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2018-12-13 19:11:32
I'm listening right now, one of the best works by Tom, by far.

Beautiful choir, great action tracks (even there is a great renditions of the themes, Windflower with that version of Shrike's theme is gorgeous) and multiples themes.


Anonymous2018-12-13 23:19:07
Great work.

I love Tom's aggressive and extreme way of mixing and bold use of percussion.

Glad to see him linked to Alita: Battle Angel too

kingfannypack is the MILFcommander reply Replies: 7 || 2018-12-10 08:14:42
Why wouldn't Peter Jackson have Howard Shore score?


Edmund Meinerts2018-12-10 09:26:24
Peej only produced this film, didn't direct it, and also I sorta think he and Howard Shore don't have the warmest of relationships considering the King Kong firing and then the way the music was mistreated in the Hobbit films.


Anonymous2018-12-10 14:37:39
Skipped the Hobbit films. How so was the music mistreated in those?


MrZimmerFan2018-12-10 15:58:11
Jackson use more LOTR music than the original music created for the movie.

Altough, Watertower releases respect the material written by Shore (as he wanted)


Edmund Meinerts2018-12-10 16:44:14
Especially in the first one, there's a ton of LOTR themes needledropped even though Shore wrote original material for those exact scenes that you can hear on the album, and also there are themes used in scenes where they don't belong at all. Oh and the main theme of the first one and a couple of the secondary ones completely disappear from the second and third movies


superultramegaa2018-12-11 00:05:52
Don't forget the pointless changes like the opening title music for AUE being replaced with an E Major version of The Shire and Gandalf's Farewells for some reason. Or temp tracking earlier pieces of the film in for later scenes.


lumpy2018-12-11 11:15:02
get this a cd-release too


Oscarilbo2018-12-12 20:26:25
The "problem" with The Hobbit scores came just on the first movie and just because it changed from being 2 movies to be a whole trilogy. So... the "punch" points had to be changed on AUJ, meaning that very subtle moments had to be now enhanced every way possible specially by the score so you have much more dramatic emphasis than you had it before, because now you're gonna end the movie MUCH MORE sooner that originally planned.

Nothing to do with Jackson not liking what Shore did. Shore even had the same themes that were ultimately used in the final film, they just were more subtle... even the wrongly music known as "wraights theme" when Throin charges against Azog (which is actually related to all agents of Sauron) was used there by Shore before the changes, just again, the connection was more subtle when that was not going to be the climax of the film.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2018-12-11 21:18:11
Alita ia going to be release by Milan Records


Jean-Luc2018-12-11 22:41:52
That's a great news!

Nick reply Replies: 1 || 2018-12-10 21:55:23
Tom just released "London Suite in C Major" on his YouTube channel, and I am really loving it. He's usually hit-or-miss for me, but this cue in particular really intrigues me. Sounds like he merged the orchestral sections of Fury Road with the flighty ballads of Hollywood Golden Age music.


Ds2018-12-11 11:35:53
It's great but sadly it's only used in the end credits :-(
I suspect it might have been an alternate version of the opening scene.

Anyway the rest of the score is absolutely stunning, a good balance between heavy action and themes (and incredible choir). A new high in JXL's career, let's hope the OST release does it justice.

lumpy reply Replies: 0 || 2018-12-10 20:49:00
CD Release?

isildur reply Replies: 4 || 2018-12-06 21:57:31
This sounds amazing.
https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc6U4zYppks


Mike2018-12-06 22:53:46
Consider me pleasantly surprised....


Mike2018-12-06 23:20:05
On repeat listens, it sounds like if someone tossed Fury Road into a blender with Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries and Michael Giacchino's Medal of Honor scores. A surprisingly good combination, if you ask me.


mpolonest123 2018-12-07 01:30:36
I’m pleasantly surprised. The whole thing has a very “classic Hollywood” fantasy type feel to it, with Holkenborg’s usual percussion and strings overlaid. The mixing is still a bit too harsh and overproduced, but I’m loving what I hear so far. Here’s hoping the rest stays consistently strong...


Andreas2018-12-07 09:54:16
Saw the film few days ago. Score is one of the best things in the film. Indeed a mix of BvS en Mad Max, only more orchestral. Can't wait to listen to it again.

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