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Additionally, for anyone interested, I've managed to come up with a final list of themes from the series that I believe to be mostly accurate.
HTTYD 1: Hiccup & Toothless, The Friendship ostinato, Viking Theme, Viking "B" Theme, Dragons, Berk, The Dragon Tamer (Hiccup's unique qualities), Vikings & Dragons, Astrid
HTTYD 2: Loss, Exploration/Hiccup's Maturance, Drago, Hiccup & Valka, The Alpha, Stoick & Valka, The Chief
HTTYD 3: The Furies ostinato, Love, The Dragon Liberators, Moving On, The Hidden World, Toothless & The Light Fury, Grimmel, Dragon Trappers
A list more impressive than Star Wars, and with almost every new theme returning for the next film, while keeping most of the base themes. A masterful achievement by John Powell and his crew, as others have said!
Edmund Meinerts
2019-06-14 00:36:31
There's so, so many great themes in the HTTYD scores. And he almost never lets a moment go by where he isn't stating or restating or developing one or more of them (although honestly that's true of a ton of Powell's scores and not an exclusive feature of HTTYD). You can never get bored listening to these, there's always something interesting around the next corner.
Ian Brown McCarthy
2019-06-14 01:54:11
Yeah, Jesus. This is a prime example of why I'm tempted to think John Powell is more talented than even Williams (yes, I went there).
Mephariel
2019-06-14 06:40:37
Love John Powell. But he is not even close to Williams. Williams made his mark on every genre of film scoring. He freaking turn a holocaust movie score into a masterpiece for the ages.
Today, that score would have been some generic sound design.
Powell is an incredibly gifted orchestral composer. But he doesn't have the dimensions of someone like Williams.
The longer 2019 goes on, the more I think Hidden World might end up being my favorite score of the year. It just keeps growing on me. And unless Lion King or Star Wars 9 are the best possible versions of themselves, I don't see anything else on the schedule that is likely to eclipse it.
HTTYD is, amazingly, almost up there with Star Wars and Lord of the Rings in terms of the greatest thematic development in a multi-film series.
superultramegaa
2019-06-12 20:02:12
Got to agree. The score for this series is polished, precise, emotional, technically proficient, and thematically rich. Not much else this year has been anywhere close to the level of quality in The Hidden World.
Sadly though, I don't see either Lion King or Star Wars 9 beating this score. From the look of the trailer, Lion King's music is probably just going to be on repeat with a few additional original tracks here and there, and the new Star Wars trilogy is plagued with temp tracks, and uninteresting progression.
So I haven't watched this film so I can't speak to what the themes mean here, but I need a little bit of help with the themes of the first 2.
This is the list of themes as I know them: Hiccup's Theme (Flying) - HTTYD 1 Berk Theme - HTTYD 1 Viking Theme - HTTYD 1 Evil Dragon Theme - HTTYD 1 Friendship Ostinato - HTTYD 1 Astrid - HTTYD 1 Secondary Viking Theme/Viking Teens - HTTYD 1 Toothless/Good Alpha - HTTYD 2 Drago - HTTYD 2 Evil Alpha - HTTYD 2 Exploration - HTTYD 2 The Chief - HTTYD 2 Valka & Stoick Love / Stoick's Theme - HTTYD 2
However, on this website people have discussed that there might be even more than that, like "Dragon Vigilante" or "Valka", but I have no idea what these themes are if they exist. For most scenes involving Valka, it's either Toothless' theme or Stoick's love theme that plays.
Just saw HTTYD: The Hidden World!! For me, a perfect way to complete a trilogy!! Absolutely loved it. All 3 movies are great and get better each time.
Them the score: I don't know how Powell does it. With these 3 scores he's definitely (re)defined writing thematic music again. It's orchestral. He uses themes from the first 2 movies and adds a few new themes that are just as memorable. I think there is about 20 minutes if score missing. So hoping to a good FYC. But just like with the other 2 scores. A great album representation!!
Loved every bit of the this trilogy and very sad it's over.
Still need to listen through this one....Is it more like the first score or the second? The first was more tuneful and energetic and crowd-pleasing, while the second really upped the complexity/theme development side of things.
Aaron
2019-02-03 05:40:49
The way you described them, it's more like the second score. That said, it's surprisingly distinct.
NM
2019-02-03 22:46:19
It's very different to both of the other ones and definitely the best of the three. I found this one managed to improve the orchestration over the (already impressive) second one, while also having accessible, memorable themes and motifs that didn't take as long to "click" as the usual Powell stuff.
Is that true about John Powell and additional score by Kay-S is Brian Tyler Team's new composer will score Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw Movie. If it's true, then it's a great news. I bet John Powell's music might sound like Bourne music or new styles of spy or action music like that.
Solid work. Its ought to satisfy anyone who's been yearning for a solid symphonic score.
For the most part it seems to me that with this one Powell aimed more for technical mastery and complexity than going for that tangible sense of innocence, intrigue and fun that made the very first film and its score special. I am not saying this third score lacks those elements, but they are certainly not in full display like they were in the very first score.
In a broader sense, it appears that just about everyone is taking everything way too seriously these days. As much as I miss solid symphonic scores myself, I miss the "fun" side of film scores more.
I recommend to everybody How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World by John Powell!!! It's an amazing orchestral score with new AND continuing themes from previous 2 movies. The choral work is amazing! My favorite cues are: - Legend Has It / Cliffside Platytime (one of the most beautiful tracks Powell has ever written!) - Exodus! - Third Date (So much fun!!!!!) - Furies In Love (Equal to Flying With Mother & See You Tomorrow - The Hidden World (Beautiful choral Work) - Armada Battle (Captures all themes from all 3 movies!!!) - As Long As He's Safe - Once There Were Dragons (Beautiful ending!!!) - The Hidden World Suite
Hmmm... the new theme that appears in "Legend Has It", "Exodus" and "As Long as He's Safe" is heartbreaking and and among the highlights of the franchise. The love theme is wonderful too. And some of the orchestration is top class: a mastery of the orchestra which rivals the best composers.
But I don't know, did anyone else find this a bit disjointed in places? The "Armada Battle" is just exhausting and even though I recognised all the themes and motifs it wasn't fun to listen to - clipping from one thing to the next every few seconds with no transition. I thought it'd be the highlight of the score but it's probably the worst track on the album. It probably works great in the film, I imagine.
I feel like “The Hidden World” cue is going to steal the show here. Combining Jonsi’s vocals with the choir and orchestra was a genius move, it sounds almost hypnotic. And of course “Furies in Love”...
BerkianWarrior
2019-01-15 05:11:02
For sure!! Omg I honestly can't wait for this one, we where gonna get 2 songs for httyd 2 featuring Jonsi, but they stuck with "Flying with Mother" instead. I really would have liked to see Jonsi put lyrics to "romantic flight" for a hiccup and astrid wedding scene. Make it peaceful and sad :'( Love these movies so much. I feel like watching them and listening to their scores brings back the 11 year old in me, obsessed with orchestra and dragons. A total nerd. I miss those days where everything was filled with magic, and John Powell's scores were at the center of it all <3
mpolonest123
2019-01-19 23:10:42
So having seen the film I can say that this is tonally the most mature score of the series. The old themes all get their moment to shine, but surprisingly are used far less than the previous 2. There also seem to be some temped moments, with one scene using portions of “Battle of the Bewilderbeast” and so on. It will be interesting to see what is missing from the album.
In terms of new stuff, both “The Hidden World” cue and the “Fury Love Theme” are obviously the standouts. Especially in the way they develop throughout. And without spoiling anything, there are some beautiful choral moments in the last 15 minutes. As for the villain material, there wasn’t really anything distinctive that I picked up, which might change with a few listens.
ThePhantasm
2019-01-20 09:14:21
I don't know if it's just me but the music doesn't sound as amazing to me like it did for HTTYD 1 & 2, granted i've only listened to the previews but i did the same for 1 & 2 and it got me hyped. I hope I'm wrong
Ds
2019-01-20 15:32:16
I have to say I'm a little bit disappointed, movie wise and score wise. Although it's a very good score, it seems like all the highlights are when old themes come back. I'll definitely have to check it on album to see if this impression holds up, maybe it's only because I'm overly familiar with those themes, and new ones still have to grow on me (like with litterally every Powell release).
As for the movie, it felt like the charm and beautiful story of #1 have partly been replaced by poor jokes and loads of explosive action. There are moving moments here and there, but overall it left me quite cold.
mpolonest123
2019-01-20 19:20:27
I was never extremely gung ho about any of the films, but I do agree that there feels like a bit of charm was missing from this one. Especially in the tidy way everything wrapped up. I also found the villain to be extremely forgettable, basically a lesser version of Drago. But hey, at least the visuals were great.
And I do partially agree on the score, although I think it is hard to give a fair opinion until the music has actually been released. But while HTTYD1 has all of the best highlights and HTTYD2 (my personal favorite) has the best narrative development, I feel like this one works as a solid score on it’s own. The weakest of the three but still a pretty good score, if that makes sense.
Ds
2019-01-20 21:51:00
That makes perfect sense and I fully agree with you :p
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