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Most of the album is comprised of suites, with one consistent tempo per track. <br><br>The material that was scored to picture was scored using the risset rhythm technique, which gave a lot of those tracks their "infinitely getting faster" feeling in the film, so the tempo is always climbing in the film versions. The suites have a stable tempo (except for a couple normal tempo changes, which are different)Not really any... "Nothing Out There" contains the sad piano theme from Begins and Dark Knight, but otherwise the themes that get reprised are pretty much Hans stuff. <br><br>Speaking of credits, any chance the complete score page could be updated with what's out there and official?Could somebody tell me in what cues JNH's themes appear on album?Thanks MIKE, Any ideas of how can I Google it?Yeah, that cue was either a last minute rewrite or one of the music editors did it.... As for where you can find it...Google is your friend. But it's not going to be available anywhere officially.
I think it will be in between NOT ORDINARY CITIZEN / THE SLOW KNIFE and IMAGINE THE FIRE, Does anybody know where can I find it?<br>I noticed that this score doesn't has the soundtrack of the part where Blake is taking the people to the bridge and he is discusing with the other police officer before he blows the bridgeThat's right, I forgot about that... And I totally agree about the score vs. the album. I had no use for this score on album at first, but now that I've watched the movie a few times, I can really hear the logic behind the score and I "get it." <br><br>I still don't get the music as heard on album, though. Are the longer pieces some early suites Hans wrote? Or did he specifically make these arrangements for the album? Do you know the answer to that one, Hybrid?I wanna say I heard the full Cat Suite somewhere... I can't remember if it was legit, but it was 15:39 and it was indeed quite repetitive. It was basically the Selina Kyle Suite from the Z+ app, along with demos of several of the Catwoman-related cues in the final score. If you've listened through the score, you've basically heard the unreleased stuff.@Mike<br>Zimmer has said in interviews that he “mapped out” the film with one long piece of music to establish the changing tempo of the story, and apparently the script was written to capture the rhythmic feel of the film. So from the very beginning the story was always split up between the three.<br><br>I think a big part of the initial disappointment with the score was the album presentation, which gives off the impression that the music is just some sound design that Zimmer threw together (this is how I personally felt when I first gave it a listen). In actuality it’s a technically impressive score, I really can’t think of any other film score that is so synchronized with a film’s tempo and flows as one long piece of music. Apparently it was a nightmare for Hans, especially when the smallest edits to the film would ruin the flow.<br><br>Doing the 59-minute album was a pretty big disservice to the whole purpose of the music. If you remove one piece the whole thing falls apart, which is part of the reason the album feels so disjointed.
Anyone here listened "The Predator" FYC score? <br>Any chance to compare tracklist and running time with official release?These versions suites haven't been officially released, but maybe you can find them somewhere around the Internet unofficially.<br><br>As for the Cat Suite, the most important parts of it can be found in "Selina Kyle" (it's a shortened version of it actually) and "Mind if I cut in?" from the OST. I remember that Hybrid once said that the 15mins Cat Suite was too repetitive, that's why a 5min only version was released, so maybe you are just fine with those two.<br>Where can I listen to the Cat Suite? Or is it literally: Selina Kyle Theme? <br>The Mole P1 (0-1:57)<br>Regimental Brothers P1 (0-1:19)<br>The Mole P2 (1:57-3:44)<br>Regimental Brothers P3 (2:44 onward)<br>We Need Our Army Back<br>Shivering Soldier<br>Supermarine P1 (0-2:47)<br>The Mole P3 (3:45 onward)<br>We Need Our Army Back (again) <br>Supermarine P2 (*5:33)<br>Impulse<br>The Tide<br>Home <br>The Oil <br>Variation 15<br>End Credits <br><br>As everyone said already, the album is made up of suites that combine several cues and several "sounds" used in various places. For example, the is a sound in The Mole (At 2:05) that sounds like a fuse being ignited. This sound is actually right after The Tide in the film.<br>The only tracks that are almost identical to the film are: The Tide, Variation 15 and End Credits, the rest is different. <br><br>So if you were to order the tracks as first heard in the film it would be: <br>The Mole <br>Regimental Brothers <br>We Need Our Army Back<br>Shivering Soldier <br>Supermarine <br>Impluse <br>The Tide <br>Home <br>The Oil<br>Variation 15<br>End credits<br><br>As much as I enjoyed listening to this release, I wish they didn't butcher the score the way they did. I like the suites but there are so many great cues in this film that weren't released. If only they released an isolated score track on Blu-ray. Listening to film extracts is just not enough.I noticed that as well — the ticking goes all through the movie, except for the boat scenes, and only stops when they get on the train. <br><br>I wonder...could the film have originally been shot so that the beach, sea, and air sequences were there own arcs, and the longer album tracks were written for that? And then Nolan went in and turned the movie into the frenetic, constantly cutting-back-and-forth final product? <br><br>While the album is fine, I personally don't understand why we couldn't have just gotten the film cues. They might have had to stitch several together for each track, but it could have worked.
Does anyone know where you can get a digital version of the Japanese versions 2 bonus tracks?Comparing it to YFM’s sfx edit this is what I’ve got;<br><br>“The Mole” seems to be an alternate of the opening sequence. The first minute or so is used, while the rest isn’t. “We Need Our Army Back/Regimental Brothers” are both made up of several cues from different points in the film. <br>“Home” is completely different in the film, which makes me think it may have been recorded specifically for the album. Similar situation with “Oil”. <br>“Supermarine” is definitely a suite. The rest is chronological.<br><br>Interesting thing to note, it seems like a lot of the tempo changes/ticking effects/bass overlays were removed from the album release, making almost every track sound different from the actual film versions. The music in context has a constant pulse going, especially in the way cues segue into each other and change tempo.It's not really possible to chronologically order the album because the album doesn't use the same tracks as the movie. Plus, the album is more or less chronological anyway, given the areas where they are the same.<br>With the complete cue sheet out now. Does anyone know what the chronological order of the album would be?Movie credits:<br><br>Music Composed and Mixed by:<br>TOM HOLKENBORG<br><br>Additional Music:<br>ANTONIO DI IORIO<br><br>Music Supervisor:<br>DAVE JORDAN<br><br>Music Editor:<br>PETER MYLES<br><br>Score Conducted by:<br>CONRAD POPE<br><br>Score Orchestrated by:<br>EDWARD TRYBEK, HENRI WILKINSON, JONATHAN BEARD, TOM HOLKENBORG<br>Score Copied by:<br>EDWARD TRYBEK, HENRI WILKINSON<br><br>Score Contracted by:<br>PETER ROTTER<br><br>Choir Contracted by:<br>JASPER RANDALL<br><br>Score Recorded by:<br>ALAN MEYERSON, BRAD HAEHNEL<br><br>Digital Recording by:<br>KEVIN GLOBERMAN<br><br>Technical Score Engineers:<br>ALEX RUGER, EMILY RICE,<br><br>Synth Programming by:<br>JACOPO TRIFONE, JONAS FRIEDMAN, MAX KARMAZYN<br><br>Score Recorded at:<br>NEWMAN RECORDING STAGE<br><br>Music Production Services by:<br>MICHIEL GROENEVELD<br><br>Score Mixed at:<br>COMPUTER HELL CABIN<br><br>Newman Stage Engineer:<br>MARC GEBAUER<br><br>Newman Recordist:<br>TIM LAUBER<br><br>Newman Stage Managers:<br>DAMON TEDESCO, PETER NELSON
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Alita - Battle Angel
Label: Milan Records
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  1. A Discovery
  2. I Don't Even Know My Own Name
  3. What's Your Dream?
  4. Double Identity
  5. The Warrior Within
  6. A Dark Past
  7. In Time You'll Remember
  8. Nova's Orders
  9. Jackers Mission
  10. Unlocking The Past
  11. Whose Body Is This?
  12. Grewishka's Revenge
  13. Broken Doll
  14. With Me
  15. I'd Give You My Heart
  16. You Just Lost A Puppet
  17. What Did You Do?
  18. In The Clouds
  19. Raising The Sword
  20. Motorball
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Knight reply Replies: 24 || 2019-02-05 16:43:13
After listening through it, I'm branding it as another disappointing effort from Tom. It desperately needed a strong theme(s) like Divergent/Run All Night/Brimstone and it has none.


Knight2019-02-05 16:49:05
But the instrumentation throughout is quite diverse, he seems to have traded most of his percussion for woodwinds. He's definitely getting better at writing for more instruments than strings/brass/percs. Hope his next outing is of a more solid type


MrZimmerFan2019-02-05 17:44:28
Mortal Engines has a plenty themes and is muuch better than Divergent.

IMO (also, after several listen, i like it, not much as Mortal Engines, but is good)


mpolonest123 2019-02-05 18:01:35
That’s such a shame to hear. Mortal Engines was such an improvement for Tom imo, so I’m hoping that he isn’t going to be regressing into generic action/sound design-esque scores like the past few years.

And speaking of generic action, what is with his track record of scoring box office bombs? Mortal Engines, The Dark Tower, Point Break, Alita (possibly). I would kill to have him work with some talented directors for once, maybe give him a chance to break out of his usual style.


Knight2019-02-05 18:27:53
This score isn't so much sound design as orchestral meandering.
It's like they hired Tom to give them a score any other composer could.
The best cues on it for me is:
Discovery
With Me
I'd Give You My Heart
In the Clouds
Raising the Sword
Motorball <(this is the only cue where Tom is really allowed to be himself)


Knight2019-02-05 18:31:46
MrZimmerFan Divergent is my favorite JXL score simply due to the fact that it doesn't use his "signature" dirty grunge sound mix that pretty much all his scores use. However the London Suite from ME is one of my top JXL cues.


MrZimmerFan2019-02-05 18:41:43
Knight, you simple love the Tom's electronic style (i like a lot Tomb Raider, but is for is much better constructed than Divergent, which i think is only okey as Mad Max), i don't, i prefer his later scores (Black Mass, The Dark Tower, Mortal Engines and Alita), because i enjoy his more orchestral (altough have electronics and synth material) material.

As for Alita, is more a emotional score (there is a plenty of orchestral parts than synth parts) than something like Mad Max or Divergent.

For a guilty pleasure, i rather listen 300


Knight2019-02-05 18:59:53
lol I don't listen to Divergent for the synth stuff nor do I prefer his sythesizer-heavy scores. Black Mass is okay but a bit too droning at times, TDT I haven't heard, ME and Alita you know my opinion on. I love Divergent for it's orchestral/piano stuff not the electronics. The reason why I listed the 3 films I did was because all 3 have really strong themes going all throughout their respective scores. (Divergent/Tris theme, Run All Night/main theme, Brimstone/Liz theme)


mpolonest123 2019-02-05 19:19:24
My biggest problem with Brimstone are the long portions of droning in between the string performances. Outside of that though, there is about 30 minutes of excellent material. Dark Tower also has some really strong highlights, surrounded by some weak material.

As for Divergent, you have “Tris”, “Capture the Flag”, “Faction Before Blood”, “Sacrifice”, and “Everywhere and Nowhere”. Even some of the electronic stuff works pretty well.


Ds2019-02-05 20:15:39
mpolonest123: that's a good (and sad) observation... however, talented directors and box office returns don't always go hand in hand. Mortal Engines is a Peter Jackson project, directed by someone else but followed closely by him. Alita is a James Cameron project, directed by someone else but followed closely by him. It doesn't get much better than those two names... :)


mpolonest123 2019-02-05 22:24:24
@Ds
Well if Cameron ever wants to work 1-on-1 with him, I would LOVE to hear him take on the Avatar sequels. And yes, I’m well aware that everybody will probably try to lynch me over that opinion, but I would be so curious to see how Holkenborg would stack up with someone like James Cameron, who is known for being very demanding on the music of his films.

As for Alita, I’ve given it a spin and........ ehh.
Nothing terrible, but really nothing inspired either. It’s like sonic wallpaper, pleasant as background music, but not really interesting as a stand alone listen. The most interesting track is definitely “Motorball”, which definitely has JXL’s stamp.


Ds2019-02-05 22:47:19
For now I can agree on Alita. I'll wait til I hear the score in context before making any judgement, but yeah Motorball is pretty kick-ass (even though it's a pure JXL action track like he's done many already).

I don't think working with a very demanding director is any problem for Tom. He looks like a super nice person, very open minded and collaborative, and I'm sure working with him is a real pleasure and he'll deliver what the director wants. So yes, why not? It'd be fun to hear what he could do in the Avatar world.


Mephariel2019-02-06 00:02:41
Avatar 2 I don't see...

I think the closest Junkie will get to Cameron is scoring Terminator 6.


...2019-02-06 09:13:59
I think it's a little strange that a new Junkie XL score gets more comments and discussion than a release of Zimmer's Thin Red Line. This is HZ.com after all.


Edmund Meinerts2019-02-06 09:26:13
There's not so much to say about the TTRL release...there's only so many variations of "yay can't wait to hear this" that exist, after all, and the only other thing you can do is speculate about the contents. With a new score - any new score - that's actually out there and available to listen to, there's much more to talk about. So once TTRL actually hits shelves, you'll see more discussion.

What *I* find odd is that people would rather talk about this than HTTYD3...


...2019-02-06 09:45:04
Yes, Dragon 3 is much more interesting than this.


Ian2019-02-07 03:09:55
@mpolonest123

Re: "And speaking of generic action, what is with his track record of scoring box office bombs?"

Honestly, I think this has a lot to do with the fact there is an abundance of superior composers working today, even just at RCP.

Even Lorne, for all the shit he seems to get, is considerably more competent IMHO


Ds2019-02-07 14:03:36
@Ian: there aren't many composers who would turn down offers like working on Jackson's Mortal Engines or Cameron's Alita. So I think it's complete non-sense to even think Junkie XL could be a by-default choice for bad movies that can't afford a better composer. He gets high profile movies that are sometimes too bold for modern audiences (I'm not speaking about Point Break, though).

He's also got a few big successes like Deadpool - a shame the score is one of his worst.


Oscarilbo2019-02-14 18:20:55
Saw the film last sunday and loved it. Also loved what Tom Holkenborg did hear. It did not felt nor 300. RoE nor Mad MAx. It's something else and loved it how it worked in context.


Knight2019-02-15 11:32:04
After repeated listens of the score and seeing the film 3 times, I'd say now that the score is MUCH better than I initially gave it credit for.
Alita's theme (the 4 notes first heard at 1:53 in A Discovery) is used many times throughout the score in many instrumental varieties and variations, and used to great effect in emotional scenes
(I Don't Even Know My Own Name, What's Your Dream?, In Time You'll Remember, With Me, I'd Give You My Heart, What Did You Do), In the Clouds especially)
And do yourself a favor and get I See Church from somewhere, it's the 2nd best action track of the score after Motorball.
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In short, I would now give it a 4.5 / 5 from my previous 3 / 5


Knight2019-02-15 11:39:42
My only real gripes left with the score is the somewhat uninspired choral writing (and the fact that the choir sounds like samples in a lot of moments) and the reused percussion samples from every JXL action score ever since Mad Max.


Anonymous2019-02-16 23:07:40
Where can I listen to I see church?

I cannot find it anywhere and even YouTube doesn't have it.


Knight2019-02-17 02:28:31
Currently the only way I know to get it from is Japanese iTunes.


Anonymous2019-02-17 15:53:04
I got them from a japanse store after an hour going through hoops VPN paypal and google translate.

Very strange cause this are one of the best tracks of the entire score

Very weird the score or the movie havent attracted much attention at all.


jEN0VA2019-02-21 04:08:04
Does anyone know where you can get a digital version of the Japanese versions 2 bonus tracks?

Knight reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-20 18:47:28
Movie credits:

Music Composed and Mixed by:
TOM HOLKENBORG

Additional Music:
ANTONIO DI IORIO

Music Supervisor:
DAVE JORDAN

Music Editor:
PETER MYLES

Score Conducted by:
CONRAD POPE

Score Orchestrated by:
EDWARD TRYBEK, HENRI WILKINSON, JONATHAN BEARD, TOM HOLKENBORG
Score Copied by:
EDWARD TRYBEK, HENRI WILKINSON

Score Contracted by:
PETER ROTTER

Choir Contracted by:
JASPER RANDALL

Score Recorded by:
ALAN MEYERSON, BRAD HAEHNEL

Digital Recording by:
KEVIN GLOBERMAN

Technical Score Engineers:
ALEX RUGER, EMILY RICE,

Synth Programming by:
JACOPO TRIFONE, JONAS FRIEDMAN, MAX KARMAZYN

Score Recorded at:
NEWMAN RECORDING STAGE

Music Production Services by:
MICHIEL GROENEVELD

Score Mixed at:
COMPUTER HELL CABIN

Newman Stage Engineer:
MARC GEBAUER

Newman Recordist:
TIM LAUBER

Newman Stage Managers:
DAMON TEDESCO, PETER NELSON

Ds reply Replies: 1 || 2019-02-18 18:11:53
It seems the Japanese exclusive tracks are available on deezer, but not on any other platform. And weirdly enough, I couldn't find any download link anywhere.


Everan2019-02-19 22:48:52
They are? I searched but only got the regular OST

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 2 || 2019-02-18 19:14:31
I’ve been giving this score a few more shakes lately, if only to see if my initial opinion had changed. The biggest issue for me is the lack of a strong set of themes. Alita’s Theme, for example, works well enough in context but hasn’t really left any impression on me. Mortal Engines has about 7 primary themes, all of which are really strong.

Where I will praise Tom the most is the recording. Everything sounds crisp and clear, as opposed to his usual overmixed style. Here’s hoping that he sticks with this type of recording from now on.
And one other plus, the woodwinds! It’s so refreshing to hear the woodwinds play a prominent role here, especially in the almost classical way they are utilized.


Knight2019-02-18 19:51:38
Ditto on the recordings, Mortal Engines was awful in this regard with the harsh mix and on top of that, an unforgiveable amount of session noise/chatter.


mpolonest123 2019-02-18 20:09:46
@Knight
Yeah I really can’t argue there. As much as I love Mortal Engines even I have to admit that recording was kind of awful, particularly with the studio noise filtering through.

germany reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-18 12:49:39
Hello!
Have you any Informations for a Relaease to "PAGAN PEAK"? German TV Series "Der Pass" from Jacob Shea, Produced by Hans Zimmer?

Jason reply Replies: 1 || 2019-02-18 06:19:10
Just saw the film Music was hitting on point in all the right spots.


Jason2019-02-18 06:20:00
also was really good fantastic score IMHO his best since Mad Max.

Iamtommie reply Replies: 2 || 2019-02-13 23:29:50
Tom is scoring the live action Sonic movie. He just confirmed that he is scoring it!


ThePhantasm2019-02-14 04:07:41
So he's scoring that and the new terminator? Damn dude's getting as busy as Henry Jackman


1232019-02-14 12:43:27
he is working on the new Terminator movie?! :O

Knight reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-14 12:39:19
Credits for Dua Lipa's single "Swan Song" for the movie:
Written by Dua Lipa, Justin Tranter, Kennedi Lykken, Mattias Larsson, Robin Fredriksson & Tom Holkenborg
Produced by Mattman & Robin

Scorefan reply Replies: 2 || 2019-02-08 01:45:04
Tom on Avatar Sequels?


Anonymous2019-02-09 00:58:37
Where did you hear that?


trent easton navarro2019-02-11 13:05:34
Wouldn't surprise me but I sure hope not. Holkenborg is an alright composer but he could never achieve what Horner did on the first Avatar. Unless of course Conrad Pope "helps" him out of course

Knight reply Replies: 8 || 2019-02-08 13:25:24
Japanese edition of the score contains 2 extra tracks:
Centurion (3:21)
I See Church (5:48)
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I See Church sounds like it has a lot of the elements from Motorball... Why was this left off the regular album again?


MrZimmerFan2019-02-08 15:38:13
Motorball and I See Church are instrumental versions of Dua Lipa's song


Knight2019-02-10 01:01:14
Just watched the film and they definitely are not. Motorball seems to be a suite or a combination of the cues used in the Motorball sequences, and I See Church is yhe cue that plays when Alita rushes to save her boytoy


Knight2019-02-10 01:07:04
Centurions should go after I Don't Even Know My Own Name (I think) and I See Church goes after I'd Give You My Heart


Anonymous2019-02-10 01:20:24
So with the bonus tracks do we have a chronological order yet?


Knight2019-02-10 08:00:58
Going by the track names, I'd say it's in chronological order but I'm not 100% sure.


Anonymous2019-02-10 13:05:32
Knight, was confirmed by Milan Recotds


Anonymous2019-02-10 20:33:17
Where can we listen to those? Cant find them anywhere...


Knight2019-02-10 22:33:25
Milan confirmed that it's in chronological order?

Der Schwein reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-05 23:02:43
This Junkie tutorial is intriguing because he literally points out that Mortal Engines was so good because Jackson managed him closely, see from 4:00 onwards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb3i6nKiG5c&feature=share

Totally hearing it here. Miller and Jackson are people with clear visions, Alita is a mess again. Junkie is literally a junkie, he gorges on ideas but can't consolidate them unless someone powerful tells him to do that in a specific way.

Pisspoor reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-05 22:57:22
Slightly disappointed here but it is also great to hear those orchestral fibres come through and let the woodwinds shine. I that is a huge growth area for HZ Industries. The themes are fine, but the argument that Junkie needs to meet better musically minded directors does not make sense. Whoever made that comment probably has not heard of Robert Rodriquez the composer or the few trend changes that an unknown director called Jim Cameron instituted in his spare time. Solid score but a disappointment after Mortal Engines

Knight reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-05 08:50:31
Score has been released today.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2018-12-26 15:01:16
Third track released on Soundcloud

https:// soundcloud.com/milanrecords/ 03-whats-your-dream


MrZimmerFan2019-02-03 18:45:05
Total time (confirmed in Amazon.com): 64 min

and new track

https:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=I2V3E4toWLw

Knight reply Replies: 0 || 2019-01-14 05:37:08
Looking forward to hearing this one. Looks like this is the first score since Divergent not to use his over-harsh "Mad Max" mixing that he's been using on all his scores from 300 to present.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2018-12-28 17:09:21
Yeah Mortal Engines went to my top 5 scores of the year without a doubt.

Looking forward to this one as well.

If it is mixed the same as ME and has the same thematic identity it will be great

Mephariel reply Replies: 2 || 2018-12-26 19:20:28
Pretty impressed with Mortal Engines and is looking forward to this. Can't believe I am actually looking forward to a Junkie XL score now.


ThePhantasm2018-12-27 02:35:04
He's definitely growing as a composer, very impressed with him lately


MrZimmerFan2018-12-27 10:49:36
Since Black Mass... ;D

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