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Hope Zimmer comes back to do Gladiator 2.Currently the only way I know to get it from is Japanese iTunes.well aren’t u special. it’s gonna leak so on account of so many ppl having it. myself included.Where can I listen to I see church?<br><br>I cannot find it anywhere and even YouTube doesn't have it.<br>1M01 Logos & Backstory Montage<br>1M04 Sneaking In<br>1M07 Jake Finds Scrapper<br>1M08-09 Scrapper Chase<br>1M11 Not Again<br>2M01 Shatterdome Arrial<br>2M02 Amara is Amazed<br>2M05 Pentecost<br>2M07 Simulation Fail<br>2M08 Could Have Been Great<br>2M09 Gottlieb Greets Newt Pt.1<br>2M09 Gottlieb Greets Newt Pt.2<br>3M01A Unwelcome Yager<br>3M01B Are You Reading This?<br>3M02A Mak-Morial<br>3M03 Flashback<br>3M07 Get It Done<br>3M09 Alice<br>4M02 Family Fight<br>4M03 It Isn't Something<br>4M04B What is That?<br>4M05 A Kaiju Brain<br>4M06 Shao Industries Suspected<br>5M01 Shatterdome Attacked<br>5M02B Help Me Help You<br>5M08-09 Aftermath<br>6M01 Battle Speech<br>6M03Y Yagers Land<br>6M06 Rippers<br>6M07 SEQ<br>7M01A Mega On the Move<br>7M01B Stay With Me<br>7M02 Amara Joins Jake<br>7M03B End Game<br>7M04<br>7M04C Celebrate<br>7M05 Victory<br>7M07 Main On End
Same here. Considering how well the film has done I am surprised that Warner Bros. hasn’t rushed out a Deluxe Edition by now. <br><br>I’m personally dying to hear the full Sicily fight sequence, which includes that badass Mera action motif.Is there any news about that expanded/deluxe album Rupert talked about on twitter? I would love to get my hands on more material from the score as the album is missing so much...I'd love to see Hans do another historical epic, for the record. I'm sure he'd say he's moved on from that sound, but personally, I miss it. That being said, Harry Gregson-Williams did good work here. Even if he then copied and pasted whole sections for Narnia. lol.Music editors loved their Gladiator temp too muchWhat was the reason of their swap? Why did Hans Zimmer quit Kigdom of Heaven
Hybrid wrote somewhere here that something happened between Streitenfeld and Ridley during Prometheus,and that was why HG-W was brought on for some rescoringI was wondering about this too. Like all of a sudden, after a couple of Ridley Scott collaborations, he disappeared.Streitenfeld's score for "All I See Is You" isn't added to this site. Does it mean, that Marc left the company?Extremely pleased with the release, remastering, and liner booklet notes.  Nice to finally have all of this music.  Sure, some things could have been done differently, like anything else.  I'll be enjoying a thorough listen this weekend, and may watch the film again, as it's been years.Jasha just released a neat little piano album!<br>Go check it out: https://itunes.apple .com/no/album/time-lapse-ep/1452867752
My only real gripes left with the score is the somewhat uninspired choral writing (and the fact that the choir sounds like samples in a lot of moments) and the reused percussion samples from every JXL action score ever since Mad Max.After repeated listens of the score and seeing the film 3 times, I'd say now that the score is MUCH better than I initially gave it credit for.<br>Alita's theme (the 4 notes first heard at 1:53 in A Discovery) is used many times throughout the score in many instrumental varieties and variations, and used to great effect in emotional scenes<br>(I Don't Even Know My Own Name, What's Your Dream?, In Time You'll Remember, With Me, I'd Give You My Heart, What Did You Do), In the Clouds especially)<br>And do yourself a favor and get I See Church from somewhere, it's the 2nd best action track of the score after Motorball.<br>--------------------<br>In short, I would now give it a 4.5 / 5 from my previous 3 / 5Hybrid, what's the story with Finale vs. Safe Now? On this page Finale is listed as Jackman and Zimmer. On the OST page, it's Jackman, Zimmer, & Jasha Klebe. The two versions are different too. Finale has a longer intro and a big outro that makes the Time thing even more obvious. So are they two different tracks with different credits, or is Safe Now just Finale clipped short?Oh man, that's a tough question...I haven't listened to Curse of the Black Pearl in a while.... He's credited on almost every track for themes used... "Fog Bound" is the big Klaus Badelt cue from that movie (the real, 5-minute one in the movie is pretty much all Klaus I believe). <br><br>But Hans appears almost everywhere in POTC 1. Sometimes it's arrangements of his themes by the other guys, sometimes it's parts of the tunes that he wrote put directly in like he wrote them... The following scenes are pretty much directly Hans, if I remember right (this is the list I'm referencing — but as you can see, Zimmer's name is almost everywhere hans-zimmer . com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1128): <br><br>3. Captain Jack Sparrow (Hans wrote the big theme here, as well as the Jack Sparrow stuff at the end)<br>8. Breaking the Chains (more Jack Sparrow theme...) <br>17. Boarding the Dauntless (Jack Sparrow theme...)<br>24. Moonlight Serenade (Zimmer said he wrote this scene like Cinderella walking into a Metallica concert)<br> <br>Aaaaand a lot of the final fighting music is lifted directly out of the suite Zimmer wrote, so it's 90% him. But once again, his themes as arranged by other people appear everywhere. Hybrid can answer way more about all this than I can.<br>Oh wow! That’s all really interesting. So how much of the OST is really HAnS Zimmer then???
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Tom Holkenborg (Junkie XL)Antonio Di IorioConrad PopeAlan Meyerson
ComposerAdditional MusicConductorMusic Scoring Mixer
Alita - Battle Angel
Label: Milan Records
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  1. A Discovery
  2. I Don't Even Know My Own Name
  3. What's Your Dream?
  4. Double Identity
  5. The Warrior Within
  6. A Dark Past
  7. In Time You'll Remember
  8. Nova's Orders
  9. Jackers Mission
  10. Unlocking The Past
  11. Whose Body Is This?
  12. Grewishka's Revenge
  13. Broken Doll
  14. With Me
  15. I'd Give You My Heart
  16. You Just Lost A Puppet
  17. What Did You Do?
  18. In The Clouds
  19. Raising The Sword
  20. Motorball
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Knight reply Replies: 22 || 2019-02-05 16:43:13
After listening through it, I'm branding it as another disappointing effort from Tom. It desperately needed a strong theme(s) like Divergent/Run All Night/Brimstone and it has none.


Knight2019-02-05 16:49:05
But the instrumentation throughout is quite diverse, he seems to have traded most of his percussion for woodwinds. He's definitely getting better at writing for more instruments than strings/brass/percs. Hope his next outing is of a more solid type


MrZimmerFan2019-02-05 17:44:28
Mortal Engines has a plenty themes and is muuch better than Divergent.

IMO (also, after several listen, i like it, not much as Mortal Engines, but is good)


mpolonest123 2019-02-05 18:01:35
That’s such a shame to hear. Mortal Engines was such an improvement for Tom imo, so I’m hoping that he isn’t going to be regressing into generic action/sound design-esque scores like the past few years.

And speaking of generic action, what is with his track record of scoring box office bombs? Mortal Engines, The Dark Tower, Point Break, Alita (possibly). I would kill to have him work with some talented directors for once, maybe give him a chance to break out of his usual style.


Knight2019-02-05 18:27:53
This score isn't so much sound design as orchestral meandering.
It's like they hired Tom to give them a score any other composer could.
The best cues on it for me is:
Discovery
With Me
I'd Give You My Heart
In the Clouds
Raising the Sword
Motorball <(this is the only cue where Tom is really allowed to be himself)


Knight2019-02-05 18:31:46
MrZimmerFan Divergent is my favorite JXL score simply due to the fact that it doesn't use his "signature" dirty grunge sound mix that pretty much all his scores use. However the London Suite from ME is one of my top JXL cues.


MrZimmerFan2019-02-05 18:41:43
Knight, you simple love the Tom's electronic style (i like a lot Tomb Raider, but is for is much better constructed than Divergent, which i think is only okey as Mad Max), i don't, i prefer his later scores (Black Mass, The Dark Tower, Mortal Engines and Alita), because i enjoy his more orchestral (altough have electronics and synth material) material.

As for Alita, is more a emotional score (there is a plenty of orchestral parts than synth parts) than something like Mad Max or Divergent.

For a guilty pleasure, i rather listen 300


Knight2019-02-05 18:59:53
lol I don't listen to Divergent for the synth stuff nor do I prefer his sythesizer-heavy scores. Black Mass is okay but a bit too droning at times, TDT I haven't heard, ME and Alita you know my opinion on. I love Divergent for it's orchestral/piano stuff not the electronics. The reason why I listed the 3 films I did was because all 3 have really strong themes going all throughout their respective scores. (Divergent/Tris theme, Run All Night/main theme, Brimstone/Liz theme)


mpolonest123 2019-02-05 19:19:24
My biggest problem with Brimstone are the long portions of droning in between the string performances. Outside of that though, there is about 30 minutes of excellent material. Dark Tower also has some really strong highlights, surrounded by some weak material.

As for Divergent, you have “Tris”, “Capture the Flag”, “Faction Before Blood”, “Sacrifice”, and “Everywhere and Nowhere”. Even some of the electronic stuff works pretty well.


Ds2019-02-05 20:15:39
mpolonest123: that's a good (and sad) observation... however, talented directors and box office returns don't always go hand in hand. Mortal Engines is a Peter Jackson project, directed by someone else but followed closely by him. Alita is a James Cameron project, directed by someone else but followed closely by him. It doesn't get much better than those two names... :)


mpolonest123 2019-02-05 22:24:24
@Ds
Well if Cameron ever wants to work 1-on-1 with him, I would LOVE to hear him take on the Avatar sequels. And yes, I’m well aware that everybody will probably try to lynch me over that opinion, but I would be so curious to see how Holkenborg would stack up with someone like James Cameron, who is known for being very demanding on the music of his films.

As for Alita, I’ve given it a spin and........ ehh.
Nothing terrible, but really nothing inspired either. It’s like sonic wallpaper, pleasant as background music, but not really interesting as a stand alone listen. The most interesting track is definitely “Motorball”, which definitely has JXL’s stamp.


Ds2019-02-05 22:47:19
For now I can agree on Alita. I'll wait til I hear the score in context before making any judgement, but yeah Motorball is pretty kick-ass (even though it's a pure JXL action track like he's done many already).

I don't think working with a very demanding director is any problem for Tom. He looks like a super nice person, very open minded and collaborative, and I'm sure working with him is a real pleasure and he'll deliver what the director wants. So yes, why not? It'd be fun to hear what he could do in the Avatar world.


Mephariel2019-02-06 00:02:41
Avatar 2 I don't see...

I think the closest Junkie will get to Cameron is scoring Terminator 6.


...2019-02-06 09:13:59
I think it's a little strange that a new Junkie XL score gets more comments and discussion than a release of Zimmer's Thin Red Line. This is HZ.com after all.


Edmund Meinerts2019-02-06 09:26:13
There's not so much to say about the TTRL release...there's only so many variations of "yay can't wait to hear this" that exist, after all, and the only other thing you can do is speculate about the contents. With a new score - any new score - that's actually out there and available to listen to, there's much more to talk about. So once TTRL actually hits shelves, you'll see more discussion.

What *I* find odd is that people would rather talk about this than HTTYD3...


...2019-02-06 09:45:04
Yes, Dragon 3 is much more interesting than this.


Ian2019-02-07 03:09:55
@mpolonest123

Re: "And speaking of generic action, what is with his track record of scoring box office bombs?"

Honestly, I think this has a lot to do with the fact there is an abundance of superior composers working today, even just at RCP.

Even Lorne, for all the shit he seems to get, is considerably more competent IMHO


Ds2019-02-07 14:03:36
@Ian: there aren't many composers who would turn down offers like working on Jackson's Mortal Engines or Cameron's Alita. So I think it's complete non-sense to even think Junkie XL could be a by-default choice for bad movies that can't afford a better composer. He gets high profile movies that are sometimes too bold for modern audiences (I'm not speaking about Point Break, though).

He's also got a few big successes like Deadpool - a shame the score is one of his worst.


Oscarilbo2019-02-14 18:20:55
Saw the film last sunday and loved it. Also loved what Tom Holkenborg did hear. It did not felt nor 300. RoE nor Mad MAx. It's something else and loved it how it worked in context.


Knight2019-02-15 11:32:04
After repeated listens of the score and seeing the film 3 times, I'd say now that the score is MUCH better than I initially gave it credit for.
Alita's theme (the 4 notes first heard at 1:53 in A Discovery) is used many times throughout the score in many instrumental varieties and variations, and used to great effect in emotional scenes
(I Don't Even Know My Own Name, What's Your Dream?, In Time You'll Remember, With Me, I'd Give You My Heart, What Did You Do), In the Clouds especially)
And do yourself a favor and get I See Church from somewhere, it's the 2nd best action track of the score after Motorball.
--------------------
In short, I would now give it a 4.5 / 5 from my previous 3 / 5


Knight2019-02-15 11:39:42
My only real gripes left with the score is the somewhat uninspired choral writing (and the fact that the choir sounds like samples in a lot of moments) and the reused percussion samples from every JXL action score ever since Mad Max.


Anonymous2019-02-16 23:07:40
Where can I listen to I see church?

I cannot find it anywhere and even YouTube doesn't have it.


Knight2019-02-17 02:28:31
Currently the only way I know to get it from is Japanese iTunes.

Iamtommie reply Replies: 2 || 2019-02-13 23:29:50
Tom is scoring the live action Sonic movie. He just confirmed that he is scoring it!


ThePhantasm2019-02-14 04:07:41
So he's scoring that and the new terminator? Damn dude's getting as busy as Henry Jackman


1232019-02-14 12:43:27
he is working on the new Terminator movie?! :O

Knight reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-14 12:39:19
Credits for Dua Lipa's single "Swan Song" for the movie:
Written by Dua Lipa, Justin Tranter, Kennedi Lykken, Mattias Larsson, Robin Fredriksson & Tom Holkenborg
Produced by Mattman & Robin

Scorefan reply Replies: 2 || 2019-02-08 01:45:04
Tom on Avatar Sequels?


Anonymous2019-02-09 00:58:37
Where did you hear that?


trent easton navarro2019-02-11 13:05:34
Wouldn't surprise me but I sure hope not. Holkenborg is an alright composer but he could never achieve what Horner did on the first Avatar. Unless of course Conrad Pope "helps" him out of course

Knight reply Replies: 8 || 2019-02-08 13:25:24
Japanese edition of the score contains 2 extra tracks:
Centurion (3:21)
I See Church (5:48)
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I See Church sounds like it has a lot of the elements from Motorball... Why was this left off the regular album again?


MrZimmerFan2019-02-08 15:38:13
Motorball and I See Church are instrumental versions of Dua Lipa's song


Knight2019-02-10 01:01:14
Just watched the film and they definitely are not. Motorball seems to be a suite or a combination of the cues used in the Motorball sequences, and I See Church is yhe cue that plays when Alita rushes to save her boytoy


Knight2019-02-10 01:07:04
Centurions should go after I Don't Even Know My Own Name (I think) and I See Church goes after I'd Give You My Heart


Anonymous2019-02-10 01:20:24
So with the bonus tracks do we have a chronological order yet?


Knight2019-02-10 08:00:58
Going by the track names, I'd say it's in chronological order but I'm not 100% sure.


Anonymous2019-02-10 13:05:32
Knight, was confirmed by Milan Recotds


Anonymous2019-02-10 20:33:17
Where can we listen to those? Cant find them anywhere...


Knight2019-02-10 22:33:25
Milan confirmed that it's in chronological order?

Der Schwein reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-05 23:02:43
This Junkie tutorial is intriguing because he literally points out that Mortal Engines was so good because Jackson managed him closely, see from 4:00 onwards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb3i6nKiG5c&feature=share

Totally hearing it here. Miller and Jackson are people with clear visions, Alita is a mess again. Junkie is literally a junkie, he gorges on ideas but can't consolidate them unless someone powerful tells him to do that in a specific way.

Pisspoor reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-05 22:57:22
Slightly disappointed here but it is also great to hear those orchestral fibres come through and let the woodwinds shine. I that is a huge growth area for HZ Industries. The themes are fine, but the argument that Junkie needs to meet better musically minded directors does not make sense. Whoever made that comment probably has not heard of Robert Rodriquez the composer or the few trend changes that an unknown director called Jim Cameron instituted in his spare time. Solid score but a disappointment after Mortal Engines

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Knight reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-05 08:50:31
Score has been released today.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2018-12-26 15:01:16
Third track released on Soundcloud

https:// soundcloud.com/milanrecords/ 03-whats-your-dream


MrZimmerFan2019-02-03 18:45:05
Total time (confirmed in Amazon.com): 64 min

and new track

https:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=I2V3E4toWLw

Knight reply Replies: 0 || 2019-01-14 05:37:08
Looking forward to hearing this one. Looks like this is the first score since Divergent not to use his over-harsh "Mad Max" mixing that he's been using on all his scores from 300 to present.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2018-12-28 17:09:21
Yeah Mortal Engines went to my top 5 scores of the year without a doubt.

Looking forward to this one as well.

If it is mixed the same as ME and has the same thematic identity it will be great

Mephariel reply Replies: 2 || 2018-12-26 19:20:28
Pretty impressed with Mortal Engines and is looking forward to this. Can't believe I am actually looking forward to a Junkie XL score now.


ThePhantasm2018-12-27 02:35:04
He's definitely growing as a composer, very impressed with him lately


MrZimmerFan2018-12-27 10:49:36
Since Black Mass... ;D

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