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Sadly, he doesn't seem to say anything new besides the background information on the Zimmer and Harry Gregson scores he's worked on. Plus the Skyscraper information still doesn't excuse the generic committee product that score turned out to be.Does anyone know what songs Max Aruj and Steffen Thum have worked on?Though there are differences, I think HZ & NGS styles mix together rather well.<br><br>Tracks like "Fort Walton", "Goodspeed Tracks Jade" or "Jade" are exceptions for sure. Apart from these, most tracks blend very well, imo.<br>It's very different from Armageddon for exemple, when team Trevor and team Harry had very different styles (big anthems & guitars VS darker material and more subtle theme developments) and also different sound equipments (I can tell immediately who did what thanks to the sound banks they used). The Rock doesn't suffer from those extreme differences imo.<br><br>We fans here listened to those scores for over 20 years and we've learnt how to spot each composer (thanks to this website and all the infos on each track we got over the years). I'm not sure I could have noticed all those details back in 1996, or even 10 years ago.<br><br>Nonetheless, The Rock is one of the greatest action scores ever. While more coherent scores like Crimson Tide or The Fan grew on me over the years, The Rock keeps a very special place in my heart.yes i hope 2 cd!!!!Hi, <br>Ever paid tribute to Gorecki?<br>I think you should<br><br>Cheers<br><br>Mjt Sprengers
The only way I won't be able to the listen to it before the episode is if it will be released in Germany in the night to tuesday. But I don't know how I would find that.Does someone know something about the soundtrack already? Like how many songs there will be or maybe even the full track list? Or will it be a big surprise?I will, Backbiter, because I live in Germany and in my country the final episode will be released on monday. I will watch it with my friends and therefore we will watch it around 8pm in my time. If the soundtrack will be released in the night from sunday to monday, I will be able to listen to the soundtrack before I watch the final episode.Yasss<br><br>Please be 2 discsThis is an okay score. Nothing super spectacular, but it fits the movie very well. The only issue I really took is that the end credits arrangement of the Pokemon video game theme is absent from the CD - I would wager quite a few people bought the CD just for that only to be disappointed. For me, it would have ended the CD perfectly.<br><br>Anybody know why it was left off? Something Nintendo told them 'no' on?
Very interesting interview. Thanks man!Judging by the YouTube views, not a lot of people have listened to this 1-hour chat with Steve. So I'm posting it here for you folks to enjoy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR0TPYmidNYI have nothing against any of the composers who worked on The Rock, but to my ears, the Nick Glennie-Smith stuff sounds obviously different from the Hans Zimmer stuff, and they both sound very different from the Harry Gregson-Williams stuff. And the transitions are a tad jarring at times. I've never seen anyone else post this opinion before, though, so I may be the only one!<br>=====================<br><br><br>That's actually very interesting. Never thought of it that way. And you're right. For those who are well aware of the overall MV/RC sound, there is indeed a difference between the Zimmer style and the Glennie-Smith style. However, I think that the two styles blend pretty well in The Rock. The movie itself allows for that. So I would argue that, while watching the actual movie, the two styles work very well together and they complement each other. <br><br>But listening to the score alone, yes, I can definitely see where you're coming from. The differences are obvious. Having said that, I still consider it to be a masterpiece of action scoring. And not only action. The emotional bits are great too. JADE is an extremely beautiful and tender track :))<br><br>P.S. The Peacemaker is on my personal TOP 5 of the greatest action scores of all time. I can't believe the score is not as popular as The Rock. Same for Eraser, by the way. Watch the movie again on a good sound system and you'll be blown away by the awesome Silvestri score. I really wish those two scores were more popular with the public......The 90s had some of the greatest action movie scores ever<br>================================<br><br>Without a doubt. I grew up in the 90s and I was there for all of it. Truly one of the best decades for film music (and for cinema in general). I mean, it's the decade that changed action scores forever. Exactly because of scores like The Rock, Twister, Armageddon, Crimson Tide and The Peacemaker. Granted, Harold Faltermeyer kinda started it all in the mid-80s with his work on Top Gun, Tango and Cash and Beverly Hills Cop 2, but it was Hans and his team who really got the ball rolling. By the way, I'm super happy that Hans and Faltermeyer are teaming up for Top Gun 2. At least according to IMDb....<br><br><br>==================<br>The opening theme is probably Zimmer's best in the genre<br>==================<br><br>Agreed. It's the ultimate Zimmer power anthem. I know the younger generation knows Hans mainly from his work on comicbook movies like Batman and Spider Man, but for me, 90's Zimmer will always be the best Zimmer. And my favorite Zimmer :))I'm so excited hear that.
No you won't, the score will be released after the final episode.Yesssssssssss yessss yesCan't wait for this soundtrack.<br>Just a few days left.Oh. My. Gods. (The old ones and the new.) That's so good news. And I can't wait for sunday.<br><br>The best is, that I can here the soundtrack before I watch the final episode. And I like to hear to a score without knowing wich music belongs to what kind of scene.Yesss. Can't wait!
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Hans ZimmerKlaus BadeltJohn PowellJeff Rona
ComposerAdditional MusicAdditional MusicAmbient Music Design
The Thin Red Line (Limited)
Label: La-La Land Records
Length: 263'35
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CD1 - THE FILM SCORE
  1. Nature Montage (5:38)
  2. Witt With Melanesians (2:54)
  3. Witt In Brig - Tall And Quintard (8:27)
  4. Staros Below Deck (1:58)
  5. March Inland (8:21)
  6. Staros Prays (2:23)
  7. The Grass - Tall Calls Staros (3:27)
  8. Keck's Death (4:47)
  9. Walsh Helps Tella (2:20)
  10. Staros Refuses Order (8:11)
  11. Bell's Patrol (3:58)
  12. Bell Goes Alone (3:31)
  13. Welsh & Witt Talk (3:49)
  14. Gaff's Party Leaves (3:17)
  15. Gaff's Party Returns (2:04)
  16. Attack On The Bivouac (Long Version) (11:03)
CD2 - THE FILM SCORE (CONTINUED)
  1. Staros Is Relieved (2:08)
  2. Tall Does Nails (1:22)
  3. Airfield - Bell Flashback (5:57)
  4. Marty's Letter (3:42)
  5. Village Flashback (2:04)
  6. Witt Travels (5:48)
  7. Japanese Appear - Witt Chased (5:27)
  8. Witt Killed (2:15)
  9. Witt's Funeral (5:17)
  10. Cemetery (4:48)
  11. End Credits (5:23)
  12. Concerto For Beam (Extended Version) - John Powell (feat. Francesco Lupica) (6:09)
    Additional Music:
  13. Keck's Death (Alternate) (4:32)
  14. Gaff's Party Returns (Alternate) (2:05)
  15. Attack On The Bivouac (Short Version) (8:05)
  16. Staros Is Relieved (Alternate) (3:06)
  17. Tall Does Nails (Alternate) (1:30)
  18. Witt Travels (Alternate) (6:43)
CD3 - THE ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK ALBUM
  1. The Corall Atoll (8:00)
  2. The Lagoon (8:36)
  3. Journey To The Line (9:21)
  4. Light (7:19)
  5. Beam - John Powell (feat. Francesco Lupica) (3:44)
  6. Air (2:21)
  7. Stone In My Heart (4:28)
  8. The Village (5:52)
  9. Silence (5:06)
  10. God U Tekem Laef Blong Mi - Melanesian Choirs (1:58)
  11. Sit Back And Relax - Francesco Lupica (2:06)
CD4 - MELANESIAN CHOIRS: THE BLESSED ISLANDS - CHANTS FROM THE THIN RED LINE
  1. Jisas Yu Holem Hand Blong Mi (1:21)
  2. Soon My Lord (1:16)
  3. God Yu Tekkem Laef Blong Mi (2:17)
  4. Early Morning At Tabalia (0:29)
  5. Procession Chant 1 (1:28)
  6. Procession Chant 2 (Kuston Tune) (0:55)
  7. Holly (1:40)
  8. Procession Chant 3 (1:03)
  9. We Love To Sing (3:39)
  10. Mi Go Longway (2:51)
  11. Jisas‚ Masta Mi Save (2:57)
  12. Procession Chant 4 (0:36)
  13. Together Be (2:26)
  14. Sunday Service Hymn (1:43)
  15. Halleluia!‚ Sing To Jesus (1:30)
  16. Jesus‚ You Are Here (2:15)
  17. Bybye (2:33)
  18. We Are One Big Happy Family (2:29)
  19. Traditional Lullaby (2:16)
  20. Cho Cho Vancho (1:24)
  21. Remember (0:54)
  22. Jisas Yu Holem Hand Blong Mi (1:53)
  23. Pray For Us (2:43)
  24. God All Mighty (2:09)
  25. Procession Chorus (3:16)
  26. Kyrie (3:02)
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StRuPiE reply Replies: 9 || 2019-02-10 00:19:02
Allow me to say a few things about this release. After a first listen, I can confirm that the film version of the taiko's are (still) not used in this set. As I predicted earlier, taiko's in both tracks (March Inland/Attack On The Bivouac) are missing or seriously toned down. So a film mix of both cues, for those in doubt, still not released.

Also, for those wondering what the long version of 'Attack On The Bivouac' is all about, well, it's the longer 'taiko' intro from the sessions combined with a new ending. Before you go all nuts, no it's not the source music, it isn't even Zimmer's high strings that we are so familiar with. It's an unused cue from the sessions (12M39B v.3) that seques into 'JTTL'. It's a nice variation but not quite as good as Ives' source or the strings.

I don't wanna spoil too much, but if you're looking for a complete 'movie experience' score for this film, keep looking elsewhere because you're not going to find it in this set. There's simply too much missing; no film mixes, no source music, different combo's, no Cosmic Beam. It's just so dissapointing if you've waited all those years for a complete version to find out that it's just the score vol II. On the other hand, if you think the OST is good, you'll be in for a treat, there are so many beautiful cues, you'll love it. Still a lot of unused cues though.

I still think it's a missed opportunity. This could have been so much better. It's not bad, but it's just too painful to see that there's so much missing.


HunterTech2019-02-10 06:37:33
Can someone tell me if there's anything actually substantive on its own that's missing? Because so far, I just hear a bunch of people complaining because they can't replicate the film audio 100%, thanks to conscious choices made for a listening experience.

I respect those who admire the music in the form it takes for the finished film, but besides a few exceptions, I never could care for any of it.


Witt2019-02-10 10:07:43
@StRuPiE: how is it possible you've had the chance to hear it? I thought it's going to ship on feb 12th?


Hybrid Soldier2019-02-10 11:24:22
I think you're very harsh to that release, it's rather a blessing they go with what was WRITTEN for the film and not what was edited, remixed & mostly butchered for the film and with source cues...

They've carefully used alternates in the "Film Score" section to not duplicate the content of the CD 3, which was the best idea. Sure, some things are still missing, but let's no be crybabies... :P


StRuPiE2019-02-10 15:06:24
In my opinion, at least the 'Cosmic Beam' cues could have been included. To me that's equally important as Zimmer's score. And it has nothing to do with editing/mixing or whathaveyou, it's just an important element in this score. Almost all action sequences have been edited with that music in mind, so to not have it in this set is just brutal.

Again, this set will be interesting for a general audience that are not familiar with the bootlegs/sessions. For us enthusiasts, it's lacking too much substantial elements, regardless of their presented versions.

I'm sure a proper version will present itself in the near future ... ;)


Hybrid Soldier2019-02-10 15:12:31
Sit Back & Relax is in the set, that's enough...

What, you also wanted 18 min of War Drums ?


StRuPiE2019-02-10 15:29:46
Actually, 'Sit back & Relax' as presented on the OST, is the short version, which is not used in the film. It's the longer version that has portions in the movie. So no, the short version is not enough...

The other Beam track in this set, 'Concerto for Beam' has also small portions in the movie (mainly the beginning) but most of it is unused.

What I want is 30 secs of Taiko's!


BlueLine2019-02-10 20:33:26
Would be nice to see the "Complete Score" Page to this great score! :)


Hybrid Soldier2019-02-11 12:13:00
You've been asking that for years.......


So be it... :o


JamesT2019-02-15 19:13:39
Extremely pleased with the release, remastering, and liner booklet notes. Nice to finally have all of this music. Sure, some things could have been done differently, like anything else. I'll be enjoying a thorough listen this weekend, and may watch the film again, as it's been years.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-09 19:51:37
So are there credits for this one?

Arturito reply Replies: 20 || 2019-02-05 12:57:32
so dissapointing to see what's on disc 3 and 4. i was really looking forward to hear all the alternate takes and cues, unused tracks which they composed for this movie. there are hours of unused tracks! they could have filled these two discs with those tracks instead of with the material which we already have since 20 years. damn man!

at least i really hope they're offering with "attack on the bivouac" (= journey to the line) the movie version with the dramatic drums and the different ending. that cue is like in interstellar with the docking scene and the missing massive dynamic of the organs. here it is the dramatic drums which gives you even more chills to the cue.

and yeah, glad we've got the other 'leak' with 5,5hours of material, but like i said, missing this especially cue.


Hybrid Soldier2019-02-05 13:00:18
Most of the alternates are basically like a different mix of the same cue, with a layer added or removed, it's not exactly interesting (except maybe for us lol) to just have 3 versions of the same track back to back with slight differences...


mpolonest123 2019-02-05 13:04:46
Yeah, I’m kinda surprised that they didn’t do a really comprehensive release for this. Especially you have almost 6 hours worth of stuff.
On the same token, I can imagine why they didn’t include the recordings of the the various drums/bowls/gongs. Some of those go on for about 20 minutes at a time.

Happy to see the Melanesian album here though!


Arturito2019-02-05 13:05:54
@hybrid: yeah you're right with saying that it's maybe just interesting for us ^^ so it's not really interesting for the huge market. but while it's limited to only 3000 pieces, i have had hopes that they really trying to reach the more zimmer "hardcore" fans like us or from the movie itself. if they would release a huge number of it, then yeah, i would understand the choice, but like i said with that limited number, they could have done better and release also those unused and alternate tracks :(


Oscarilbo2019-02-05 19:00:26
I'm a huge Zimmer fan since 1994... Saw him in the tour in 2017 and loved it every minute. The Thin Red Line is my favorite score from him. Not just redefined Hollywood film music but my personal life also. This has been a big holy grail form me, a dream come true. I love the presentation, I don't need the "unofficial" tracks, just the official ones. I want to have a chronological experience, relieving the film in my head and heart, but also the original soundtrack was one of my favorite listening experiences hearing it for the first time so of course I love to still have that option REMASTERED.


StRuPiE2019-02-06 11:11:55
I'm afraid LLL's version of 'JTTL' is an exact copy of the sessions, judging from the sample on their site. The taiko's sound exactly the same, toned down all the way. So after all these years, still no film version. And sadly, a lot of cues are missing including source music and Cosmic Beam cues. A missed opportunity in my eyes.


timothy2019-02-06 11:57:17
What a let down this is, if it's true. My goodness, it was the only chance and opportunity to give this masterpiece its justice by releasing the complete stuff. not only the unused and unreleased ones, but also the movie version of it. now you're having the original score, and the opportunity to release the real deal, but noooo, we're releasing again a different version of it and hey, again the original score in disc 3, because of what? not having enough material to fill disc 3? really?! and seriously, i'm not getting the argument that this is interesting just for us. LLL is considered to reach the fews, the small market for enthusiatics and not for the random listener. and with this limited release, you wanted to reach only those ones who are in love with this movie and score since 20 years!!! so don't tell me we've changed the strategy to reach a bigger market with this and miss the opportunity to release again what we already have. you've had space with two more discs to fill the lack, but no you don't want it.

awh man i'm really SO upset. it was the only chance that existed to finally have released what has been written for this majestic movie. and i'm afraid, we'll never ever get such an opportunity again.


Kent Öberg2019-02-06 12:31:15
This is the complete score. Why do people want to hear unreleased, rejected stuff so much? Also, let's be honest... Hans is a little bit of a mythomaniac and his "I wrote 10 hours of music that didn't even make the movie" is probably greatly exaggerated.


Knight2019-02-06 12:36:32
Because unreleased/film versions of cues are normally better than the ones as presented on album


timothy2019-02-06 13:03:10
we want the unreleased stuff, because it's the first vision of the composer. so if you're releasing the complete and the alternates, you've got both visions of the director and the composer which is a great listening experience.

and as you're talking about the complete score, well yeah, then release the real complete score how it is played in the movie and don't release a different cue like "Attack On The Bivouac" with missing taikos which are important to the dramatic scene and an alternate ending on the cue aswell. so what's the point here to release an alternate cue, which wasn't heard in that form in the movie? and saying no to the real version and also no to other alternates? makes absolutely no sense at all.


StRuPiE2019-02-06 13:13:21
I'm with you timothy. There could have been put a little bit more effort in creating film mixes for these tracks. As it looks, LLL will just release the raw sessions without any meddling. And that's great for a general audience, but not for the enthusiasts. And to be fair, the lack of unreleased/unused tracks is the least of my concern... the lack of source music/beam is a real kick in the face because it's a substantial part of this score.


...2019-02-06 14:36:24
@Kent Öberg

having actually listened to hours of music written for this film, I can confirm that there really is a lot of material.


Ahmad 2019-02-06 15:39:34
I must watch the film (or just the "Attack On The Bivouac" sequence to see all the fuss about the Taikos. I think the samples sounds different enough from the album version and the drum layer is loud enough IMO). Now what really bothers me is that it probably does not include the string film version of "The Unanswered Question" by Charles Ives which apparently fades in to "Attack On The Bivouac" in the film.

There's an alt track that I most certain is included because the track length and title checks out and I'm very happy because it's incredible.


StRuPiE2019-02-06 16:19:34
@Ahmad, the taiko's are definitely toned down on the OST or any other source available. There's only one exception, my Ultimate edition which has the taiko's slightly amped up in those particular scenes. And you're absolutely right, the crossfade at the end of the track is so much better with 'The Unanswered Question', not that Zimmer's strings are bad, but Ives' cue flows seamlessly, it's so haunting and beautiful at the same time.

I think the alt track will be the same alt track from the sessions, but don't get your hopes up, it's also missing the taiko's. The funny thing is, the fuss started 20 years ago and it's still the same fuss today.


Ahmad 2019-02-06 16:31:27
I'm personally satisfied with what I heard (from the sample of course) but I'm bummed about The Unanswered Question. When I first watched the film, I looked for it immediately but unfortunately the film version is different than what's available.

The alt track I mentioned is actually another cue: Witt Travels (Alternate) (6:43)

If it's the one I think it is, then I'm gonna be very happy.

I guess fans and content producers rarely are on the same page. I don't understand why such things happen but...
This, No Time For Caution (Interstellar). There's always something wrong lol.


Oscarilbo2019-02-06 19:26:20
I don't know what you guys are listening to. I can hear the taikos pretty damn well in those samples, with my headphones. I then listen to the original OST and I can barely noticed them there, even looking for them. But on the samples provided by LaLaLand I can hear them with no problem at all, pretty evidently. Yeah, maybe in the film they are brought up to the front a bit more, but I can bet that's on sound mixer part and no Zimmer nor Malick, which of course ultimately they had no problem with, but it doesn't mean it reflects the original intent.


StRuPiE2019-02-06 22:56:14
Why would you assume I don't know what I'm talking about? In fact, I know for sure that the taiko's are not the same. This is a discussion that's going on and on for years. Sure you can hear hints of the taiko's in the sample, of course that's the work of Lee Scott, the music editor. But the reference that really counts is how they are being used in the film. And clearly that's not how they sound on the OST nor any other source (bootlegs/sessions).


Ahmad2019-02-07 00:01:51
Revisited the scene and yes the Taikos are a bit louder but I still think it's loud enough in the sample. Like you can hear it. It's not buried or anything. Funny thing is that I'm more interested in the church bell sound that is not so present compared to the film version.

I don't know how long JTTL is in the sessions but the length of it in the film is about 11 minutes and LLL's version matches that. So will that version include The Unanswered Question or is that a long shot? Can't wait to find out.


StRuPiE2019-02-07 00:30:49
Well, that's one possibility (but I think they would have credited the source music). Maybe another possibility is that they actually included the solo taiko's that precedes the the cue (runs solo for +-30secs). That's my biggest hope and if that's the case here, well than I take back every word I said about the damn taiko's :) because that means a complete film mix is indeed possible.


Jason2019-02-07 05:51:46
I mean the release seems fine to me


Medigo2019-02-07 10:42:57
These louder drums may simply be another example of post session mix edits like with `No Time for Caution`.

(Some music in the Pirates movies had different mixing as well, like the organs in Davy Jones commanded)

David Hand reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-05 18:48:45
Hello from North Lincolnshire, England and one of Hans Zimmer's many fans over here. I have many of his scores, saw him live in Manchester a few years ago (just an amazing concert) and I must admit, this is one of my favourite of all the Masters scores, but is it worth trying to get this 4 cd set. I have read with interest the comments below. I look forward to any further comments. Thank you

Hari Haran reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-05 10:44:23
Well, now there's a sexy album cover. :D

Scorefan reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-05 01:53:58
The sessions fits perfectly in the 4 cd's and maybe the original soundtrack. It would be fantastic if they include the melenessian songs.

Jason reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-04 00:42:04
Release already I want this bad!!!

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-03 17:10:24
Oh man, having a red/orange Thin Red Line cover just feels weird to me. That score is so calm and meditative for the most part, red is the LAST color I think of when listening to it.

kingfannypack is the MILFcommander reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-03 05:55:58
This will be interesting, I really enjoy Lalaland releases. I listened to this score years ago and need to listen to it again.

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